EPTOn February 21 2013 05:59 ninazerg wrote:
Is this a ZvZ build I haven't heard of yet?
Is this a ZvZ build I haven't heard of yet?
No it's ZvP, you 7 hatch, 7 pool, make another drone, 4 lings and you send two at their nat and two at their main.
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
No it's ZvP, you 7 hatch, 7 pool, make another drone, 4 lings and you send two at their nat and two at their main. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On February 21 2013 06:18 corumjhaelen wrote: No it's ZvP, you 7 hatch, 7 pool, make another drone, 4 lings and you send two at their nat and two at their main. Do I make the hatch before overlord, because I've been trying this build and it doesn't seem to work against anyone over E. | ||
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koreasilver
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On February 21 2013 12:27 koreasilver wrote: You know BW is dead when people are talking about a 7hatch 7pool build as if it's legit. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
Your biggest problem is your mindset. You basically believe that BW is for elite and that you somehow can't be good at it if you didn't have a mindset similar to that you would have improved a lot more by that time and personally after I got used to the AI and macro (and somebody is probably going to bash me for this) which is relatively good compared to other people at my level (I dom't miss production, workers are constantly built and sent to the mineral line etc etc) and better players who have played with me before pretty much agree that its spot on and while this is only a fragment of the mechanics required to play BW well it has made it more enjoyable feeling like I'm in control of the UI side (although I die do because of my lack of knowledge and not knowing the proper timings and such) All I am basically trying to say is that you should ignore my rambling and change your approach if you want to improve. Ohh and even with my relatively bad understanding of the game I can tell you that you should rework your PvT from the ground up for one you shouldn't even have a forge before the 3rd base (you should get it while expanding to a third so that you can properly defend against vultures) | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
Are you saying that you aren't a real man? Ohh wait... | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On February 20 2013 14:10 Nagisama wrote: Your blogs do not reflect any attempt at "learning on how to fix your issues". Just more complaining about how the UI/game speed/people not letting you play random/dragoons/SCVs/FS is bad map/random space pixie dust is preventing you from reaching Olympic tier on ICCup. Your failure to even attempt to spell check/edit your blog is evident of that. + Show Spoiler + You can say I'm randomly playing grammar/English police at you instead of talking about the issues at hand, but your habits in one area of life will always affect other areas. No where in your post do you even say how you attempted to solve said problems. Instead you just say the problems are there, and it's all the game's fault. Well guess what, the exact same problems are present to everyone else who plays the game. You don't see them complaining (especially not blogging about it), or if they do, they brush it off and deal with it. Here's an example of exactly what I mean: Problem: SCV I "a-moved" won't follow the scouting probe and kill it. Causes: Maybe because I pressed "a-move", and it only moved and attacked anything in the direction I clicked. Once the probe is no longer in that direction, of course it won't attack it, and head to the location. It's no longer in the way of my SCV's waypoint. Solution: Why don't you "a-click" the probe. That way, the SCV will do whatever it takes to murder that probe, and chase it to the ends of the Earth. Your likely Response: "But Nagisama, probes are too small to click and will take me 10 minutes to even tell my SCV to right click and attack it." My Response: Well there's something you can work on then, improve your mouse accuracy... among other things. Solutions on how to fix the "workers not building" problem has also been posted already, so I won't repeat that. By the way, the game we play is called Brood War, not briid war. 1+ Very well said. I couldn't have said it better myself (unless I tried really, really hard ... I hope) | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On February 20 2013 14:10 Nagisama wrote: Your blogs do not reflect any attempt at "learning on how to fix your issues". Just more complaining about how the UI/game speed/people not letting you play random/dragoons/SCVs/FS is bad map/random space pixie dust is preventing you from reaching Olympic tier on ICCup. Your failure to even attempt to spell check/edit your blog is evident of that. + Show Spoiler + You can say I'm randomly playing grammar/English police at you instead of talking about the issues at hand, but your habits in one area of life will always affect other areas. No where in your post do you even say how you attempted to solve said problems. Instead you just say the problems are there, and it's all the game's fault. Well guess what, the exact same problems are present to everyone else who plays the game. You don't see them complaining (especially not blogging about it), or if they do, they brush it off and deal with it. Here's an example of exactly what I mean: Problem: SCV I "a-moved" won't follow the scouting probe and kill it. Causes: Maybe because I pressed "a-move", and it only moved and attacked anything in the direction I clicked. Once the probe is no longer in that direction, of course it won't attack it, and head to the location. It's no longer in the way of my SCV's waypoint. Solution: Why don't you "a-click" the probe. That way, the SCV will do whatever it takes to murder that probe, and chase it to the ends of the Earth. Your likely Response: "But Nagisama, probes are too small to click and will take me 10 minutes to even tell my SCV to right click and attack it." My Response: Well there's something you can work on then, improve your mouse accuracy... among other things. Solutions on how to fix the "workers not building" problem has also been posted already, so I won't repeat that. By the way, the game we play is called Brood War, not briid war. 1+ Very well said. I couldn't have said it better myself (unless I tried really, really hard ... I hope) | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On February 20 2013 16:25 Pucca wrote: I feel fine macroing against a computer because I can always hold off their attacks the issues becomes when I'm pressuring and trying to macro It seems impossible untill you watch an FPVOD and try hard enough to replicate it. User was warned for spamming this thread edit Its kind of impossible to quote people on an android without making a new post without the functionality of the computer | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On February 20 2013 07:32 rauk wrote: he needs +1 armor asap so his zealots take less damage from bio one legit thing that might not be obvious to you that feels very different from sc2 is that in bw only one key can register at a time. you can sort of mash 1a2a3a or hold down z +click warpin in sc2, but if you press 1 and a simultaneously and then left click nothing happens in bw, or if you click on a gateway and press z at the same time nothing happens. you have to make sure you let go of the key you're pressing. if you ever watch a video of a pro playing bw you'll see that when they click their mice it's this really exaggerated whipping motion with their fingers; that's to make sure they only click once and as briefly as possible so they can hit the keyboard quickly without having overlapping commands. its worth slowing down to 80 or 90 apm from your 150 to make sure that you're using your hotkeys as cleanly as possible. i dropped down to 190-200 from 250 because i noticed i was having a lot of dud 1a2a3as where half my army didn't move, or where half my rax didn't make units, and tried to focus on not having to waste time redoing my actions by doing them right the first time. I have to agree with this. I passed my 100th game about a week ago and while my macro is still way off target, I'm feeling that I've improved a lot since I started. Those duds that he was talking about, I experienced them a ton when I first started. You click on a lot of rax and spam m but then when you check back, nothing, ya >< lol. As everyone else said, play the game for the fun of it and to improve. Don't count on winning a lot of games either due to just how much experience a lot of other players have already. Focus on one race, focus on mechanics then expand to the others. I do believe some responses have been harsh however reading your previous blogs and this one, I get the feeling that you aren't enjoying yourself at all(you even mention it) so maybe reconsider why you are doing this in the first place? What I mean is that you should reaffirm your reason for playing BW if you aren't enjoying it because that will help improve your game. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:00 thezanursic wrote: It seems impossible untill you watch an FPVOD and try hard enough to replicate it. User was warned for spamming this thread edit Its kind of impossible to quote people on an android without making a new post without the functionality of the computer you can copy paste on android over multiple windows | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Romania and all that jazz ? | ||
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blueblimp
Canada297 Posts
If you do want to play competitively, I recommend getting a practice partner at a similar skill level and playing the same matchup a few times in a row. This will smooth out your opening a lot, and you won't have to deal with misranked players, unexpected builds, etc. It's also more relaxing because you're purely playing to improve, not to increase rank. Watching a lot of progames can give an illusion of understanding. For one, there are a lot of details you miss when watching. (For example, do you notice when pros stop making workers? This is pretty hard to tell from VODs!) For another, pros generally play styles that rely on years of experience to deflect aggressive builds. You will need to develop that experience for yourself. | ||
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