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Spoiler I guess?
I think I'll stop listen to the internet. After bumping into a decent amount of comments about how great the game is (they generally go like this "BEST GAME OF ALL TIME" or like this "LENGENDARY!!!!!!!!!"), i've decided to give it a go and well....... it didn't turn out as expected. The game is straight up BAD, no where close to all the fuss people are making. The story is about a random personality-less kid (who always carry a katana sword for some reason) with his unrealisticly smart friend Lucca, who first willingly to risk their life to save a girl they've just met 5 minutes ago and then, for some weird reason, think they're the only hope to save the future (yes, a bunch of teenager will surely be able to kill a massive monster that can practically destroy the whole planet). The game then went on with the group of friends travel back and forth in time, doing random things that somehow will progress the story etc. etc. (I think it's important to note that the story is significantly better 5-7 hours in but still below mediocre)
The gameplay is pretty standard repetitive RPG gameplay. The good side is you have non-random battles. Other than that? "update" weapons and armor, get experience get skills....standard jazz.
I agree the the game is 17 years old but to call this game "THE BEST OF ALL TIME"??? I mean the only thing that can transcend through time properly are the story (which was mostly shit) and the music (which was pretty decent with a couple of memorable songs). The game play wasn't exactly outstanding, even when you compare to games of its time. Compare this game to games like FFVI (1 year earlier) or Metal Gear Solid (3 years later) is a joke.
All in all, it's a decent game (for its time) with some good, but mostly bad, things.
I guess nostalgia is a big factor in this but PEOPLE, STOP USING YOUR NOSTALGIA TO RECOMMEND GAMES TO OTHER PEOPLE.
P.S. On the same note, am I the only one found Xenoblade overhyped? It however has deceptively good songs though. Just wish its world and music would have ended up with a better story and characters.
  
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Chrono Trigger isn't the best game of all time, point taken, but it's definitely the best of the "classic JRPG with a mute main character and stereotypical party members (all of whom have a mysterious secret identity you must help them regain/discover)" games. Of which there are a lot.
It's long, it's actually replayable and most importantly, it's fun. In fact, I played Chrono Trigger for the umpteenth time this summer and it was still fun. I can't say that about other JRPGs of any generation.
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No RPG comes close in story and Yasunori Mitsudas soundtrack is timeless, I still listen to CT songs today. It blows FFVI out of the water and while MGS is a fantastic game, it's hardly a joke to compare them, just like CT was a brilliant game at the time it was released, so was MGS. Both games are games you come back to a few times a decade to play though again for timeless story, music and characters.
Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, I recommend CT to people all the time and I've never ever heard any complaints. On the contrary. The only reason I wouldn't recommend CT to someone is because it ruins their future gaming since no jRPG ever makes a dent.
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Hmm, I guess different people look for different things in a game. I played Trigger way back when i was a child and loved it. The characters' combo system makes for more party selection than just standard "pick the best 3/4/5 ppl among the ones you have".
Either way, might i recommend
Vagrant Story (usually appeal to more veteran fans)
Tales of Eternia (the story is not going to impress you, but the combat is mad fun, esp later on as ur skills develop)
Devil Survivor 2 (one of my recent favourites, also it's harder than most standard RPGs, which is good)
On the FF side of things, 6 and 7 probably age the best. If i have time to replay any FF, it ll probably be either of them.
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On November 23 2012 02:53 brachester wrote:
I guess nostalgia is a big factor in this but PEOPLE, STOP USING YOUR NOSTALGIA TO RECOMMEND GAMES TO OTHER PEOPLE.
I dunno man, I played Chrono Trigger for the first time about two years ago and I think it's easily one of the greatest games ever made.
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I got bored and couldn't finish it, I was like 22 at the time however
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Nostalgia isnt a big factor it's a fantastic game, if whatever grading criteria you use for games doesn't align with that then that's fine but welcome to the minority
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It's good for a JRPG, a genre you rightfully don't seem to enjoy much.
Edit : I think it's on par with FF6.
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chrono trigger AND ff6 were both pretty bad when i played them. i don't understand the rose colored reviews of ff6.
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On November 23 2012 04:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
chrono trigger AND ff6 were both pretty bad when i played them. i don't understand the rose colored reviews of ff6.
Sounds like you just dont like JRPGs then tbqh. Those are 2 of the best games in the golden age of the genre.
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It's a cute little game which was amazing when you played it back then on the SNES as a kid but no way it's not the best RPG of all time. However it is still way better than the majority of JRPG lol.
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Dq8 will always be the best rpg to me. always...
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On November 23 2012 03:08 ffreakk wrote:
Hmm, I guess different people look for different things in a game. I played Trigger way back when i was a child and loved it. The characters' combo system makes for more party selection than just standard "pick the best 3/4/5 ppl among the ones you have".
Either way, might i recommend
Vagrant Story (usually appeal to more veteran fans)
Tales of Eternia (the story is not going to impress you, but the combat is mad fun, esp later on as ur skills develop)
Devil Survivor 2 (one of my recent favourites, also it's harder than most standard RPGs, which is good)
On the FF side of things, 6 and 7 probably age the best. If i have time to replay any FF, it ll probably be either of them.
The whole digital devil saga series imo, Altus is one of the greatest developer on Earth and from persona to nocturne all their games are fantastic.
I liked CT but I think I discovered it too late. I liked Chrono Cross better.
And ^ I also loved DQ8.
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In my book, stuff like FF7 doesn't come anywhere close to CT. It's not the best RPG, but at the very least it doesn't make me fall asleep like FF7 does.
If you only played CT once, you surely didn't even discover all the alternate/hidden storylines. CT has like 20+ endings (most of them obviously involving you winning against Lavos). Those are an important aspect to the game. It's a game for explorers.
I definitely rank Tales of Phantasia above CT.
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I really enjoy most of RPG's described in this thread; I'd be lying if I said I didn't think that Super Mario RPG is the best SNES RPG, but I realize I am in the minority with that one. Chrono Trigger certainly does have some amazing music and I think the art direction and musical style are the games strongest points. That being said, there are a select few pieces of music in Secret of Mana that I think are the best of their kind. The moral of the story is that I can't truly discriminate between these games, I love all of them.
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On November 23 2012 04:14 Divinek wrote:
Nostalgia isnt a big factor it's a fantastic game, if whatever grading criteria you use for games doesn't align with that then that's fine but welcome to the minority
Yeah, nostalgia doesn't factor into its greatness. I played the DS version first and I think it's fantastic.
Also, the music was "pretty decent"? Give me a break.
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Mmmm. I feel as if earthbound, and any of the infinity engine rpgs are far superior to the Classic JRPGs of the past.
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Chrono Trigger is clearly not the best RPG of all time.
...That would be Chrono Cross. :D
Most of your argument is based on how real the game could be. I'm going to refer to the Rule of Fun, the Rule of Cool, and Acceptable Breaks from Reality for this one.
I agree with you that using the word "best" is not a convincing argument, though. When it is, I feel like slapping whoever said it across the face.
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You make me a sad panda, just because people like to overhype things doesn't mean Chrono Trigger isn't an amazing game. I can still pick it up and be wow'ed even now after playing through it a few times.
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On November 23 2012 06:31 kefkalives wrote:
Mmmm. I feel as if earthbound, and any of the infinity engine rpgs are far superior to the Classic JRPGs of the past.
Earthbound IS one of the "classic JRPGs of the past," lol. One of the SNES' greatest for sure.
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Doh! how stupid of me  . i've brainwashed myself into thinking jrpg = squaresoft type rpgs.
Regardless, Earthbound is great ^^, and i'd still propose that infinity engine rpgs (or western rpgs or w/e) are far superior to their japanese alternatives.
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Baldur's gate forever #1 as far as pure hardcore RPGs go imo
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What a load of bullshit I just read in that OP, holy fucking shit it is so stupid.
User was warned for this post
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Here I am thinking sex is the best role-playing game possible...
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Star Ocean 2. Enough said.
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Op is pretty narrow minded. Seems like you wanted to hate the game and just not picked a bunch of stuff to justify it without stopping to consider context or anything else.
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Op sounds really angry, which is such a turn off. 1/5
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op obviously not intellectual enough to appreciate the glorious perfection of chrono trigger
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what about seventh saga? best game for super nes?
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SNES has some of the most timeless RPGs ever. Chrono is still one of the best in my opinion along with a lot of other SNES classics. I probably wouldn't call it the best of all time, but it is definitely up there for me.
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I loved CT and I loved how all of the different eras all related to each other nicely, but the greatest jRPG of all time is clearly Dragon Quest 3! (and don't tell me I have my nostalgia goggles on, I played DQ3 for the first time less than 5 years ago)
Also, Toriyama's monster artwork is adorable <3
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it's up there but it's a bit too silly and lighthearted of a romp to be the best
in terms of storyline this title goes to xenogears which has the most extremely intricate and fleshed out plotline of any game i've ever played ever
there are many contenders for best gameplay i don't even want to get into that debate
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On November 23 2012 10:42 Zanno wrote:
it's up there but it's a bit too silly and lighthearted of a romp to be the best
in terms of storyline this title goes to xenogears which has the most extremely intricate and fleshed out plotline of any game i've ever played ever
there are many contenders for best gameplay i don't even want to get into that debate
Earthbound is one of my favorites because it's silly and lighthearted. 
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I was a Chrono Trigger hater until I played it again a couple years back, it is a very well made game. The graphics stand up to the test of time (especially if you know how amazing the graphics actually looked back when the game first came out), the music is great, the pacing is very smooth.
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-ability to combine team mates' spells was really innovative
-games after Chrono were almost all ugly 3d affairs.
-excellent use of music and visuals to convey a story. The written narrative by itself isn't everything.
-the weaving of story time-travelling with gameplay time-travelling was innovative.
-more approachable than FFVI, less pretentious.
Sure FFVI was great but I don't think it makes CT a joke. They together raised the bar for interactive story-telling.
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First time I played the game was about 2 years ago, and I thought it was amazing. To each his own I suppose.
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On November 23 2012 11:05 thedeadhaji wrote:unless you're using some objective metric, I don't think you can really rank "best". It's all subjective. I think it's more fruitful to discuss "good" or "great" RPGs
When I was hearing people saying "best RPG game ever", I wasn't exactly thinking it is going to be the "best", was just hoping that it came out decent.
On November 23 2012 06:42 Antylamon wrote:Chrono Trigger is clearly not the best RPG of all time. ...That would be Chrono Cross. :D Most of your argument is based on how real the game could be. I'm going to refer to the Rule of Fun, the Rule of Cool, and Acceptable Breaks from Reality for this one. I agree with you that using the word "best" is not a convincing argument, though. When it is, I feel like slapping whoever said it across the face.
uhmm, I'm ok with unrealistic stuff when it come to fiction, magic and stuff. But unrealistic characters, desires and goals does not make you feel related to the characters which is a big factor (for me).
Also some people argue that the gameplay is innovative, remember I didn't play it back in the 1995, the gameplay is hugely outdated if it was innovative back then.
P.S. I may sound angry in my OP because of the caps, but I can say I'm not (who gets angry over a finished game anyway?), I was just hugely dissapointed.
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no one mention Golden Sun Series (the NDS installment sux though) :p maybe the best game ever made for GBA, and music by Motoi Sakuraba is astonishing.
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Not really fair to compare jrpgs and american crpgs, they're essentially different genres. CT i've never been able to finish because i just found it boring. Better snes rpgs in my opinion would be sword of mana, seiken ddensetsu3, and super mario rpg. Ff6 is also fantastic and ages a lot better thana piece of shit like FF7
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When I thought it over, perhaps I didn't give the game enough justice in the OP. It does have some good moment (such as magus and frog's back story, how killing Ozzie in the past affect the future, etc. etc.), but my point still stand though, overrated as hell. However, I'm gonna give the internet another chance by playing Tactics now, cause I'm on a classic RPG marathon
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On November 23 2012 15:17 Arceus wrote:
no one mention Golden Sun Series (the NDS installment sux though) :p maybe the best game ever made for GBA, and music by Motoi Sakuraba is astonishing.
Actually Golden Sun (at least the first one) spends about 80% of the game without progressing any kind of story, not exactly interesting. Combat also gets boring after a while, but still requires you to press a buttload of buttons just to skip through all the messages. It really felt like an annoying chore.
Plus Sakuraba made better music for other titles.
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On November 23 2012 14:51 brachester wrote:
Also some people argue that the gameplay is innovative, remember I didn't play it back in the 1995, the gameplay is hugely outdated if it was innovative back then.
Good gameplay doesn't get outdated, and while CT might be "simple" by todays standards, it's still a great game. The combo system is still fun and oddly enough still lacking in modern jRPGs. The bossfights are good and kept interesting throughout the game. The system with ultimate weapons/gear which is found during sidestories which flesh out the character in question is great and while similar ideas have shown up in much later jRPGs (FFX for example), I still feel it was made the best in CT. The majority of jRPGs STILL haven't understood that non-random battles are far superior.
So yeah, it's not innovative anymore since it was innovative in 1995.. but the innovations it did generally aren't matched even today.
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Let this be a lesson to you that every time someone says something is the bestestest thing ever, they're wrong.
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On November 23 2012 06:42 Antylamon wrote:
Chrono Trigger is clearly not the best RPG of all time.
...That would be Chrono Cross. :D
Can't speak the truth more than this man.
I still love Chrono Trigger, it's a pretty good jRPG of the golden age. The story isn't that great, but the multiple endings and a quite dynamic combat system still do it for me. And some songs are damn good - even if Chrono Cross is on another level in term of music.
If not for that New Game+, it would have been a good game, no more.
On Snes, I still prefer FF6 (for the story, or 5 for the gameplay), and Terranigma, played like 5 years ago and i was amazed by it.
I don't think nostalgia is really the point here. I still find the game more creative than a lot of the jRPG since 10 years.
Edit : can't agree more with Tobberoth. :p
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Baldur's Gate 2 takes the cake as the best RPG.
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