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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 26 2012 03:14 GMT
#61
I have not found a good online community. SC2's is by far the least hostile.

When I first played DotA in war3, I played a few games with random people and was harassed so badly that I stopped playing it. I received similar scoldings in LoL and DotA2 when I did poorly. What I find bad about LoL is that you can be reported for doing badly. I dont know if you can do anything similar in DotA2.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 26 2012 03:51 GMT
#62
On October 26 2012 12:14 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I have not found a good online community. SC2's is by far the least hostile.

When I first played DotA in war3, I played a few games with random people and was harassed so badly that I stopped playing it. I received similar scoldings in LoL and DotA2 when I did poorly. What I find bad about LoL is that you can be reported for doing badly. I dont know if you can do anything similar in DotA2.

I believe you can. My brother reported someone in Dota2 for "intentionally feeding" or something like that.

@ZNF Dota community blows MUCH harder.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
October 26 2012 05:02 GMT
#63
On October 25 2012 22:26 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 21:17 Animzor wrote:
But LoL is a DotA rip-off. They just decided not to include denying. I do agree that LoL is the superior game, but I wouldn't mind if they added some more depth, starting with denying.


SC2 is a SC rip off. Which is an "insert X game from history of RTS here" rip-off. Why are you guys playing sc2 instead of sc?


Wow, you must be some kind of genius to figure that out.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 26 2012 05:36 GMT
#64
Dota is still in beta...
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
chichom27
Profile Joined November 2009
Ecuador56 Posts
October 26 2012 19:30 GMT
#65
On October 25 2012 07:34 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 07:18 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 25 2012 07:08 HorsemasterK wrote:
On October 25 2012 06:51 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 25 2012 06:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.

Yea, but the rules are simple for both games (arguably the same), it is still the strategies and tactics employed.


You stated a couple of the ways DoTA is more complex in your OP, should I quote you?

The only one that could be considered a rule is maybe denying, but I dont really view that as a rule. Why do I not see it as a rule? Because it makes logical sense to be able to deny. I was surprised I couldnt when I first played LoL... why did they restrict that?


Because denying ruins the game for the majority of players. If you suck at the game (which the majority of players do) or just going up against a very nasty lane combo than not getting last hits is already bad enough, why discourage the player further by telling them "you fucking suck"?


QFT!

Granted I only play SC2 and LoL casually (Platinum SC2 and lvl30 but no ranked games played), the reason I play and enjoy LoL infinately more than I do when playing DotA is because denying doesnt exist in LoL.

Also, I feel DotA 2 is harder to appreciate because of the more complexities it has over LoL. In other words, DotA2 viewers need to be more educated about the game in order to apreciate why one particular team is winning or not, LoL spectators do too but not so much as DotA2 viewers.
Love always wins.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 26 2012 20:35 GMT
#66
I play both and I like both.

I have to say that I generally like playing DotA2 with a team much more than I like playing LoL with a team, but I like playing LoL solo a lot more. I actually won't even touch DotA2 playing solo, at least not yet.

The lack of turn rates and really smooth attack animations in LoL are really nice to play with whereas DotA2 feels like I'm running through water.

The amount of actives on items in DotA2, along with having more powerful abilities yet longer cooldowns, it really feels more like you're making a play instead of LoL where you punish mistakes.

I like watching LoL because of streams like TheOddOne, scarra, aphro, etc. I like watching DotA2 because of streams like Sing and iceiceice.

I hate how the DotA community circle jerks to how much better their game is to LoL. I hate how LoL has a bunch of shady stuff regarding game exclusivity and how Pendragon nuked the DotA equivalent of TL and left a LoL ad.

blahblahblah streams in client, different maps, art style, etc.

People just play what they like.

snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
October 26 2012 23:41 GMT
#67

Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1017 Posts
October 27 2012 00:15 GMT
#68
When I started playing LoL was the most accessible (DOTA2 hadn't arrived yet), and so I've learned one set of champions and don't want to learn another Beyond that I know a lot more people who play LoL - especially in China.

With regards to the skillcap, I don't think complexity = skill, and if I want hard mechanics I'll play broodwar. What I like about LoL is the endless split second decision making.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
SoraLimit
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada747 Posts
October 27 2012 00:27 GMT
#69
Plus you still need to be invited to DotA 2, although it's easier to get one now. LoL is free to play. I think it's is the only reason why LoL is more popular.
jacosajh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
2919 Posts
October 27 2012 01:11 GMT
#70
Personally, I hate playing Dota 2 because it uses Steam. Even having both games installed on my computer, it's like "do I want to wait 5 minutes for Steam to load up?"
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 27 2012 02:17 GMT
#71
On October 26 2012 12:51 jpak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2012 12:14 TheRabidDeer wrote:
I have not found a good online community. SC2's is by far the least hostile.

When I first played DotA in war3, I played a few games with random people and was harassed so badly that I stopped playing it. I received similar scoldings in LoL and DotA2 when I did poorly. What I find bad about LoL is that you can be reported for doing badly. I dont know if you can do anything similar in DotA2.

I believe you can. My brother reported someone in Dota2 for "intentionally feeding" or something like that.

@ZNF Dota community blows MUCH harder.

you can report anybody for that, however it is very hard to get somebody in low priority queue for that, let alone banned. there has to be multiple reports
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Gak2
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada418 Posts
October 27 2012 04:59 GMT
#72
Okay so I'm pretty sure I've got the reasons why people enjoy Dota more and why some people enjoy LoL more figured out:

Some people enjoy LoL because it is less discouraging, more relaxing
There's a lot of things in Dota that are really frustrating for new players like denying, a higher learning curve, "pubstomp" heroes, unsafe towers, loss of gold on death, slow gold tick rate.
There are also things in LoL that make it less discouraging, for example people usually main one or a few heroes because of the limited pool, so they nearly always play what they are comfortable with, while it is difficult to do that in Dota since the entire pool is immediately open, and often you are asked to pick what the team needs rather than the hero you want.

On the other hand though, some people enjoy Dota because it is more difficult to master and ultimately, more satisfying to play when you are good
I feel like this is the most important reason why people pick Dota over LoL. Dota players play the game because they want to be the best. They see the skill cap of the game, see it is a personal challenge, and play for hours a day to get it right. The fun in the game comes mostly from the challenge. This is different from LoL players who see usually the challenge of Dota as discouraging.

Now I'm a Dota player, and you can probably tell that from the bias of this post. I'm totally cool with people enjoying LoL over Dota. People are different. Some people just want to unwind after a long day or fool around in a video game with a couple of friends and LoL is probably better for doing that. Others take their games as srs business (I know I do), and Dota is probably better for those people.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 06:24:52
October 27 2012 06:24 GMT
#73
On October 26 2012 14:36 mizU wrote:
Dota is still in beta...

True, but anybody can play in the beta. It just costs I think $15 to purchase it (through steam, not some shady place)? Something around there.
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
October 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#74
On October 27 2012 13:59 Gak2 wrote:
Okay so I'm pretty sure I've got the reasons why people enjoy Dota more and why some people enjoy LoL more figured out:

Some people enjoy LoL because it is less discouraging, more relaxing
There's a lot of things in Dota that are really frustrating for new players like denying, a higher learning curve, "pubstomp" heroes, unsafe towers, loss of gold on death, slow gold tick rate.
There are also things in LoL that make it less discouraging, for example people usually main one or a few heroes because of the limited pool, so they nearly always play what they are comfortable with, while it is difficult to do that in Dota since the entire pool is immediately open, and often you are asked to pick what the team needs rather than the hero you want.

On the other hand though, some people enjoy Dota because it is more difficult to master and ultimately, more satisfying to play when you are good
I feel like this is the most important reason why people pick Dota over LoL. Dota players play the game because they want to be the best. They see the skill cap of the game, see it is a personal challenge, and play for hours a day to get it right. The fun in the game comes mostly from the challenge. This is different from LoL players who see usually the challenge of Dota as discouraging.

Now I'm a Dota player, and you can probably tell that from the bias of this post. I'm totally cool with people enjoying LoL over Dota. People are different. Some people just want to unwind after a long day or fool around in a video game with a couple of friends and LoL is probably better for doing that. Others take their games as srs business (I know I do), and Dota is probably better for those people.


I also take games as srs business and I play for the challenge, I just think DotA is poorly designed compared to LoL, which is why I rather play LoL.
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