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Genuinely Curious - Why LoL instead of DotA2?

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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#1
Why are so many people switching to LoL instead of DotA2? Is it just because it is popular? I mean, I have very little experience with either, but the skill cap on DotA2 seems WAY higher than LoL.

I mean, LoL you cant deny, you cant creep stack, buffs are in your own jungles instead of in the river, no bottle/chicken... it is just like a completely simplified DotA2. So why is it so popular for professional players to be switching to LoL?

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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
October 24 2012 21:11 GMT
#2
LoL is much easier to learn how to play and is MUCH more popular in Korea
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 24 2012 21:12 GMT
#3
Pros play it because it is big, casuals make it big because it is free (well, sort of) and it is more relaxed and easier.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
October 24 2012 21:34 GMT
#4
Koreans? Koreans never played Dota, Valve hasn't really focused on Korea with Dota2, at least for now, and Riot has done the opposite, trying hard to get them to play LoL. It's honestly not surprising.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 24 2012 21:35 GMT
#5
Because in the grad scheme of things, the difficultiy is not actually that much of a difference, but LoL has way more money.

It's a better career move, especially in Korea, where Dota/dota2 is relatively small, while LoL is huge.

I bet you all my esports dollars that Chinese SC2 pros switching would mainly go to DotA 2.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
October 24 2012 21:36 GMT
#6
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#7
On October 25 2012 06:35 Dandel Ion wrote:
Because in the grad scheme of things, the difficultiy is not actually that much of a difference, but LoL has way more money.

It's a better career move, especially in Korea, where Dota/dota2 is non-existant, while LoL is huge.

I bet you all my esports dollars that Chinese SC2 pros switching would mainly go to DotA 2.

Fixed that for you.

And of course, Chinese SC2 pros would most likely switch to Dota 2.
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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
October 24 2012 21:48 GMT
#8
It's not like the original DotA or DotA 2 are extremely complex games... I couldn't stand LoL when I tried it. Too cartoony and not as fun. Made me want to boot up TFT and go play some DotA.
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TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 24 2012 21:51 GMT
#9
On October 25 2012 06:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.

Yea, but the rules are simple for both games (arguably the same), it is still the strategies and tactics employed.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 24 2012 22:04 GMT
#10
LoL is more accessible, but more than the accessible part, there is less stress in the game. A lot of people say that LoL is for noobs, but a lot of that comes from the erroneous thought that Stress = E-Sports. In reality if we boil it down there is a lot of that fallacy going on, people saying that a video game is easy because it does not cause the user to stretch what they can do, when in reality what they want is for that game to be stressful. LoL has a really high skill cap for some characters and a really low skill cap for others, its complex but at the same time inviting (and for the young ones its free, or free for guys like me who don't want to spend any money). I could completely stop playing LoL and play another game, but I stopped playing SC2 to play LoL; I did this not because I think LoL is better, they are too different to compare, I did this because I didn't have the time to practice SC2.
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Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 22:11:56
October 24 2012 22:05 GMT
#11
If your question concerns the pro scene, it's probably because each scene have a fair amount of prize pool, and they can't just all go on the same game. Add the fact people just enjoy LoL as much as some others enjoy DotA2. The fact the game isn't as demanding with mechanics doesn't mean he's bad. I love the fact I have to use my brain to outplay the opponents since mechanics aren't that important compare to DotA.

And the TL LoL community is a nice one, best I've seen in a long time.

Edit : I find DotA 2 quite boring. Clearly not bad, it's just I don't like to deny/pull/stack camps, it reminds me of SC2 with the inject larva/chronoboost and all that stuff. I feel like it's kinda artificial and added just to be more mechanical than it needs to be(BW doesn't have that stuff, it's clean and it was a damn beast game I still enjoy to play). And since I prefer to play LoL, I prefer to watch LoL. That doesn't mean I don't watch the occasional DotA 2 game sometimes. :p
HorsemasterK
Profile Joined August 2010
United States606 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 22:08:15
October 24 2012 22:08 GMT
#12
On October 25 2012 06:51 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 06:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.

Yea, but the rules are simple for both games (arguably the same), it is still the strategies and tactics employed.


You stated a couple of the ways DoTA is more complex in your OP, should I quote you?
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 24 2012 22:18 GMT
#13
On October 25 2012 07:08 HorsemasterK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 06:51 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 25 2012 06:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.

Yea, but the rules are simple for both games (arguably the same), it is still the strategies and tactics employed.


You stated a couple of the ways DoTA is more complex in your OP, should I quote you?

The only one that could be considered a rule is maybe denying, but I dont really view that as a rule. Why do I not see it as a rule? Because it makes logical sense to be able to deny. I was surprised I couldnt when I first played LoL... why did they restrict that?
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
October 24 2012 22:23 GMT
#14
You can deny an opponent, you can't deny creeps.
It's clearly possible to zone you opponent without that possibility. You just have to use other methods, that's all.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
October 24 2012 22:27 GMT
#15
On October 25 2012 07:23 Lysteria wrote:
You can deny an opponent, you can't deny creeps.
It's clearly possible to zone you opponent without that possibility. You just have to use other methods, that's all.

Even if you zone your opponent so they cant last hit, you cant deny experience... can you?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
October 24 2012 22:34 GMT
#16
On October 25 2012 07:18 TheRabidDeer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2012 07:08 HorsemasterK wrote:
On October 25 2012 06:51 TheRabidDeer wrote:
On October 25 2012 06:36 HorsemasterK wrote:
LoL is more accessible, both to play and to watch. MOBA games are pretty arcane to those who have not played them, and since League is the simplest/most played, its got the largest audience.

Also, there is this false assumption that more complex games make better sports. The rules of most popular sports aren't all that complicated, yet the strategies employed by professional teams are. Kids can play a pickup game of basketball; the rules are simple, but no one would suggest that since children play the sport, there cannot be skilled play.

Yea, but the rules are simple for both games (arguably the same), it is still the strategies and tactics employed.


You stated a couple of the ways DoTA is more complex in your OP, should I quote you?

The only one that could be considered a rule is maybe denying, but I dont really view that as a rule. Why do I not see it as a rule? Because it makes logical sense to be able to deny. I was surprised I couldnt when I first played LoL... why did they restrict that?


Because denying ruins the game for the majority of players. If you suck at the game (which the majority of players do) or just going up against a very nasty lane combo than not getting last hits is already bad enough, why discourage the player further by telling them "you fucking suck"?
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-24 22:37:28
October 24 2012 22:36 GMT
#17
You can.
2v1 lanes are pretty good for that, and some heroes are made to deny experience, at least a good part of it. It's not as easy as in DotA because you can't directly deny your own stuff to keep the lane in your tower, but if you know how to freeze the lane and have the advantage on your opponent, he can be pretty much screwed.

The fact minions aren't as strong as they are in DotA means you can be between your opponent and his creep for example, using the bushes to lose agro. Only type of denying I miss in LoL is for the towers. It makes me really sad when the tower has 10 hp and you can't do shit about it.

Edit : Pretty much like that sir above me said.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
October 24 2012 22:55 GMT
#18
On October 25 2012 06:34 SKC wrote:
Koreans? Koreans never played Dota, Valve hasn't really focused on Korea with Dota2, at least for now, and Riot has done the opposite, trying hard to get them to play LoL. It's honestly not surprising.


I'd like to point out that Korea does have a Dota/Dota2 scene, primarily they used to play a map called Dota: Chaos instead of Allstars which is supposed to be significantly harder kind of like Three Kingdoms was to china, but I know many have switched to dota2. There's about 40 thousand members on their fansite DoKinMo: http://cafe.naver.com/dotaallstars.cafe
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
October 24 2012 22:56 GMT
#19
People switch to LoL because it's the most popular.
It's the most popular because it's easy.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
October 24 2012 23:32 GMT
#20
Skillcap of a competitive game is irreverent as long as in there is a steep skill curve within the humanly attainable skill level. If everyone in the world was 250 IQ with near instantaneous reaction speed, then LoL would probably be farmville and pros would be playing DotA. Since that's not the case, both LoL and DotA make perfectly fine competitive games. Pros choose LoL because there's a lot more money, fame, and the competitive scene is looking more stable.
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