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Hi all,
To put it plain and simple, I hate it when Korean Players win MLG's and DreakHacks and whatnot. You sort of always gonna know that its gonna be DRG, MMA, MVP, MKP, Taeja whose going to win and not players like Huk, IdrA, White-Ra, MaNa. Gone are the days when Foreigners could stand up to Koreans.
Is it the players fault that they can't keep up with Korean gamers rate of improvement? Maybe. But for me it sort of ruins it.
Maybe I'm old fashioned. But I think there should be a tournament exclusive for Foriegners so we can see our countries participate in a competition where they're automatically not going to lose (It would make me so happy to see MoonGlade or PiG to win something big).
But I think there's more to it than this. If players aren't winning big titles, they're forced to sell themselves out in order to bring their teams money + Show Spoiler + and its not right. These are highly skilled professional gamers, pouring their blood, sweat and tears into this game and to keep food in their stomachs and their bosses happy they're forced to advertise and rely on sponsors when they'd rather be independent.
Let me know what you guys think on this matter.
Cheers
 
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Obviously they're not "highly skilled" enough, otherwise they wouldn't have to advertise or rely on sponsors. I would argue they are "moderately" or "adeuqate" or "mediocre" skilled uniformly across the board with few exceptions. Such adjectives would bring a fairer tho dimmer shade of light to your description.
Last time I checked, the Olympics were more popular than the Paralympics. eSports has a limited audience in itself; we can't have a tournament that is handicapped watching sub-par play; it'll bring in a poor audience. Such a tournament exists btw, it's called WCG. It happens once a year. You can watch the American representative match it out against a pretty bad player from Saudi Arabia or something on SC2 in a "moderately" or "adeuqate" or "mediocre" fashion.
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Last time I checked foreigners had no problem taking home the odd tournament.
But hey, I'm sure all the 4 people who put nationality above skill will agreee with you!
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Its not the sub-par skill that concerns me. Australian people want to see Australian players doing decently in a Foreign event. Its a sense of patriotism.
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On October 12 2012 15:31 iKill wrote:
Last time I checked foreigners had no problem taking home the odd tournament.
But hey, I'm sure all the 4 people who put nationality above skill will agreee with you!
I'm not looking for people to agree with me. I'm sharing my opinions, its a blog
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On October 12 2012 15:35 TheKwas wrote:
Grow up.
Don't like it, don't read it.
Btw thanks for bump
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He has some merit to what he's saying. He's saying with Koreans winning all the tournaments, the scene is becoming a bit stale and dry with predictability. While some Koreans and their teams have a lifestyle supporting their progaming careers, prominent teams often struggle with motivation while balancing both a competent practice schedule as well as keep a head straight despite no recognition, opportunity for a better team or achievements to show.
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Increases the legitimacy of the competition by raising the bar so it forces players to up their standards to try and catch up.
If you guys were to send some of your NRL guys to play in foreign rugby leagues I'm sure the experience and competition would be appreciated. Sure it might be a one-sided beatdown, but learning from the best is well, the best way to get better I guess?
edit: Personally I would like to see Moonglade play WoW again. Good times lol :p (slightly offtopic)
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You're not the only way that thinks that way. TL just doesn't care because TL prefers the elite (TL is ELITIST? FOR SHAME!), and simply put, foreigners aren't elite. Koreans are. Too bad. If you have the money, you can fund a foreigners only tournament.
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I like seeing national / regional talents playing each other. It's pretty interesting, even it isn't the highest level of competition. So I'd agree with you... except that we just had WCS a few months ago, which is exactly what you are asking for. Now, if you want to say that there should be more such tournaments, then that's a different matter.
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You can't expect esports to run on a different mentality to real sports. How many people who play soccer or afl or rugby who pour their hearts out just to be told "sorry mate this guy is better were taking him instead"
Does it suck that this is worldwide? yea sure, but you cant change that. In the end it all comes down to which players can perform the best, and to get that you need to put in the time and hours.
I've given the opportunity to a number Australians including moonglade tgun and to lesser extent pinder (had family stuff) and pig (Pig was even scheduled to stay in the FXO house but then he had to change the time he would be in Korea so I couldn't keep a spot for him that long, thankfully he found a place at prime), but is it wrong for them to not want to move to Korea fulltime and leave their families or a higher paying job in their own sector? No its not. but you can't have your cake and eat it too.
There is WCS which is exactly what you are asking for, unfortunately outside of blizzard there is no viable way for companies to really get into a region specific event because the amount of money spent on WCS just isn't viable for stand alone companies.
Esports viewers are extremely small in the grand scheme of things because it is a global audience. people talk all the time of how many people we are getting compared to something but in reality your comparing a global event to something thats not. If you want more region specific events there needs to be more region specific viewers as well,
How many times do you hear the whole "SEA players are shit" mentality, even if it may or may not be true, because no sea player has placed well in any event since moonglade took 4th over a year ago( unless you count targa) is not the fault of the viewers or the companies looking to sponsor people its just how the world works.
So again we come full circle to my sport analogy, you may love that afl/soccer/rugby player from your school rep team, but in reality if he doesnt make the cut he will never make it to go pro.
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So in other words, you just want to see Stephano win everything??
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How is it a "big victory" when you don't even have the best players against you? I agree that too many Koreans at a foreign event can be bad-ish but then again, if it wasn't the case, i wouldn't even watch the whole thing. I don't care about the flag they are upholding, i just want the best games and the best players.
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Hidden racism at its best. You want to see non-Koreans win because they're too good? Instead of trying to restrict players based on their race, why don't you cheer on the foreigners working hard to win? Thats like saying Koreans should ban all European players from Korean soccer league because they're too good and its the K league....
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In my eyes, Starcraft has always been a game about skill, regardless of nationality. When BoxeR won an OSL, or when Grrrr won an OSL, I was glad because the most skilled player competed and kicked butt. I understand wanting foreigners to be represented and not being shut-out of tournaments, but if we truly value the skill-based assets of the game, the part of the game that doesn't care about who you are or where you're from, then I think we need to have everyone compete. Especially Koreans.
I can understand your viewpoint, and I certainly don't want a stagnation of the scene, and don't want players to have to go through extreme measures just to get sponsorship. But the spirit of competition demands that players keep up to whoever is on top, here Koreans. For me, it's solace enough to know that tournaments like WCS exist, and offer foreigners their own grounds to compete, while still giving opportunity for Korean players to show their stuff. It may just be we don't have enough tournaments offering the same.
This in mind, your post has given me a lot to think about (I've spent a few minutes just thinking after typing) it is an interesting, and volatile, state of affairs. This deserves a bit more thought on my part I believe, but currently I still stand that Koreans should still be well represented should they remain the best at the game, but foreigners do deserve a bit more spotlight than they get today.
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To put it plain and simple, I hate it when Korean Players win MLG's and DreakHacks and whatnot. You sort of always gonna know that its gonna be DRG, MMA, MVP, MKP, Taeja whose going to win and not players like Huk, IdrA, White-Ra, MaNa. Gone are the days when Foreigners could stand up to Koreans.
False. Stephano and Nerchio have winning records against Koreans. The rest of the top foreigners gravitate around the mid-30 to low 40 percent winrate.
Maybe I'm old fashioned. But I think there should be a tournament exclusive for Foriegners so we can see our countries participate in a competition where they're automatically not going to lose (It would make me so happy to see MoonGlade or PiG to win something big).
WCS just happened. There's also dozens of online tournaments every week featuring only foreigners. SEA players not winning anything big has nothing to do with Koreans as they wouldn't win any tournaments involving top Europeans either. Perhaps you ought to be complaining about the lack of big SEA only tournaments?
But I think there's more to it than this. If players aren't winning big titles, they're forced to sell themselves out in order to bring their teams money + Show Spoiler + and its not right. These are highly skilled professional gamers, pouring their blood, sweat and tears into this game and to keep food in their stomachs and their bosses happy they're forced to advertise and rely on sponsors when they'd rather be independent.
You do realize that what makes a tournament 'big' is foreigners beating good Koreans right? Koreans are the standard by which all SC2 players are measured to and nobody can be legitimately called elite until they have beaten good Koreans at the most prestigious tournaments consistently. It's funny you should mention EG because the very reason their top 4 foreigners Stephano, Huk, Thorzain and Idra are so marketable and carry so much name value is their success against Koreans. Before beating Koreans Stephano was just a ladder hero, Huk another North American who is only good compared to how bad the NA server is, Thorzain a nobody and Idra a whining nerd-rager. Essentially what you are saying is that you want foreigners to have all the fame, money and glory of being a top player without actually having to be a top player.
I would also like to inform you that e-sports money does not magically appear from nowhere. Progaming is not like pro sports where you can sell tickets for $100 a head and TV rights for millions of dollars. All progamers regardless of nationality or choice of video game depend on sponsors. Go read any one of the translated Korean interviews. You will notice the Korean is wearing a shirt dotted with sponsor logos and the interview will always end with the Korean thanking his team's sponsors. Is this what you call "independence?"
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And when Stephano, Nerchio, Lucifron starts winning everything, will you have US Only tournaments? What if Cali players are winning everything? Will you have East Coast only tournaments?
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Personally, I almost only watch gsl because I'm pretty much only interested in the best of the best. But I do get your sentiment. Just take football (soccer) for example. There are several classes in which teams compete, so even a lesser te has opportunity to shine in their respective league. If your the kind of viewer who has his own favorites that might not be the of the highest level I see how it can be frustrating. However, I also feel that excluding Koreans from tournament just so that the foreigners can have fun is a bit silly. I'd rather see some global league system implemented (like a global code s, a, and b. This way maybe guys like Kinglake could be the champs of their respective leagues.
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On October 12 2012 15:42 ghrur wrote:
You're not the only way that thinks that way. TL just doesn't care because TL prefers the elite (TL is ELITIST? FOR SHAME!), and simply put, foreigners aren't elite. Koreans are. Too bad. If you have the money, you can fund a foreigners only tournament.
Like TL did with TSL 1,2 :D
Sorry, had to 
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On October 12 2012 17:22 vthree wrote:
And when Stephano, Nerchio, Lucifron starts winning everything, will you have US Only tournaments? What if Cali players are winning everything? Will you have East Coast only tournaments?
It's acceptable to have region-specific competitions imo, since the scene and growth of players is different in each one. Of course, nobody will take them as seriously as global ones.
OP: watch some SEA tourneys or something.
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It would make me so happy to see MoonGlade or PiG to win something big
Well, you're Australian... so either hope that they practice as much as the best players, or be happy for tournaments like WCS Oceania.
There are occasional tournaments that feature one country only, but only having mediocre players means we're not going see the highest level of play... and once you've seen Koreans play, you pretty much know what subpar performance looks like (even from Koreans).
I'd rather have our foreigners rise to the level of Koreans than have most tournaments exclude the best players to help the weak. It's just like any other job- do what it takes to move up towards the top (unless you're fine with where you are now), or get weeded out.
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On October 12 2012 15:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
He has some merit to what he's saying. He's saying with Koreans winning all the tournaments, the scene is becoming a bit stale and dry with predictability. While some Koreans and their teams have a lifestyle supporting their progaming careers, prominent teams often struggle with motivation while balancing both a competent practice schedule as well as keep a head straight despite no recognition, opportunity for a better team or achievements to show.
I sort of agree. Whats the incentive for players outside Korea to try and develop a career when all the prize money is going to the same talent?
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This is racist. They do not win tournaments because they are korean. They win tournaments because they are the best players. I do not watch pro level games to see what the second highest tier of players does. That is what S-Class and A-class divisions are for. To showcase talent that is near the top but not quite at the top.
Sure, maybe even make a lower tier for players to compete in but don't disclude a fucking nationality. Especially considering that is the country that paved the way for competitive RTS when there was no following. Hey why don't we shit on them because they are too good? Oh ya, we dont' do that because we want to see good players winning instead of people we like winning.
If you want to see people you like win, make a gold league tournament with your buddies in it and give him some money.
I'll be watching the best of the best while you do that.
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WCS EU was one of the highest and most watched SC2 events last month and not a single Korean was playing. It was a field filled with players that speak our language and have stories to follow, brothers, rivals, players we know and talk to and that post on TL. People we can relate to and root for. Faces we are eager to see and hear speak.
All of this are things that a usual MLG or Dreamhack are always missing because Koreans we don't really know always win. Not saying the best players shouldn't be denied but there is an entire element of foreign Starcraft that can appeal to the viewer on a more emotional and deeper level.
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On October 12 2012 15:35 TheKwas wrote:
Grow up.
^This
You can't just ban Usain Bolt from the Olympics because you don't think anyone is faster then him. If the non-Koreans were good enough to take these tournaments then they would.
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On October 12 2012 23:21 shark. wrote:^This You can't just ban Usain Bolt from the Olympics because you don't think anyone is faster then him. If the non-Koreans were good enough to take these tournaments then they would.
The sprinting was a little boring to watch because it was so obvious that the Jamaicans would win. Call me old fashioned but i'd rather see less dark skinned people in the sprinting. you know?
LuckyFool actually makes a point that I don't find offensive. Personality is harder to get fromt the Korean players because they do not speak english and such. Still I don't find this that compelling. Players like Sea[shield] are eager to interact with non-korean fans. Violet when he was alive was posting on TL RIP <3. Why don't we learn korean if we want to interact with players so much? Take some responsibility.
Also, I love Forgg. He was telling idra to "shut up" on stream.. and I realize, hey i look up to this guy even though he doesn't speak english.
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On October 12 2012 22:54 meteorskunk wrote:
This is racist. They do not win tournaments because they are korean. They win tournaments because they are the best players. I do not watch pro level games to see what the second highest tier of players does. That is what S-Class and A-class divisions are for. To showcase talent that is near the top but not quite at the top.
Sure, maybe even make a lower tier for players to compete in but don't disclude a fucking nationality. Especially considering that is the country that paved the way for competitive RTS when there was no following. Hey why don't we shit on them because they are too good? Oh ya, we dont' do that because we want to see good players winning instead of people we like winning.
If you want to see people you like win, make a gold league tournament with your buddies in it and give him some money.
I'll be watching the best of the best while you do that.
This has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the scene in Korea being the driving force behind creating players of an entirely different caliber.
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On October 13 2012 00:01 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 22:54 meteorskunk wrote:
This is racist. They do not win tournaments because they are korean. They win tournaments because they are the best players. I do not watch pro level games to see what the second highest tier of players does. That is what S-Class and A-class divisions are for. To showcase talent that is near the top but not quite at the top.
Sure, maybe even make a lower tier for players to compete in but don't disclude a fucking nationality. Especially considering that is the country that paved the way for competitive RTS when there was no following. Hey why don't we shit on them because they are too good? Oh ya, we dont' do that because we want to see good players winning instead of people we like winning.
If you want to see people you like win, make a gold league tournament with your buddies in it and give him some money.
I'll be watching the best of the best while you do that. This has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the scene in Korea being the driving force behind creating players of an entirely different caliber.
IE an established scene that shares information with one another through emulation, an understanding of the work ethic needed to play at the highest level, and a widespread respect for RTS which results in a bigger talent pool. Nothing that powerful.
I dunno, I'm not one to say "they're better. Foreigners will never get there." I think foreigners need to be trying to reach that level. Is that so unrealistic? If they fail to make it to the highest level why do they deserve tournament prize money? How do you decide what is an unfair advantage based on your country of origin?
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On October 12 2012 15:27 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Is it the players fault that they can't keep up with Korean gamers rate of improvement? Maybe.
What the fuck is this? Who else's fault could it possibly be? lol
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On October 13 2012 00:12 meteorskunk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:01 Dfgj wrote:On October 12 2012 22:54 meteorskunk wrote:
This is racist. They do not win tournaments because they are korean. They win tournaments because they are the best players. I do not watch pro level games to see what the second highest tier of players does. That is what S-Class and A-class divisions are for. To showcase talent that is near the top but not quite at the top.
Sure, maybe even make a lower tier for players to compete in but don't disclude a fucking nationality. Especially considering that is the country that paved the way for competitive RTS when there was no following. Hey why don't we shit on them because they are too good? Oh ya, we dont' do that because we want to see good players winning instead of people we like winning.
If you want to see people you like win, make a gold league tournament with your buddies in it and give him some money.
I'll be watching the best of the best while you do that. This has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the scene in Korea being the driving force behind creating players of an entirely different caliber. IE an established scene that shares information with one another through emulation, an understanding of the work ethic needed to play at the highest level, and a widespread respect for RTS which results in a bigger talent pool. Nothing that powerful. I dunno, I'm not one to say "they're better. Foreigners will never get there." I think foreigners need to be trying to reach that level. Is that so unrealistic? If they fail to make it to the highest level why do they deserve tournament prize money? How do you decide what is an unfair advantage based on your country of origin?
Different scenes produce different caliber of competitors in absolutely everything, and scenes having local competitions at a lower level than inter-scene competitions is common in everything too. Nobody gets uppity at a country having a national competition for its own population - it has less prestige than an international one, but it isn't racist. If a sponsor of said tournament wants to award X dollars to the best competitor in that region, then that's up to them.
Whether or not foreigners (the word in itself implying a gulf between the korean and nonkorean scenes) need to reach the korean level is a different discussion entirely.
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On October 13 2012 00:17 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 00:12 meteorskunk wrote:On October 13 2012 00:01 Dfgj wrote:On October 12 2012 22:54 meteorskunk wrote:
This is racist. They do not win tournaments because they are korean. They win tournaments because they are the best players. I do not watch pro level games to see what the second highest tier of players does. That is what S-Class and A-class divisions are for. To showcase talent that is near the top but not quite at the top.
Sure, maybe even make a lower tier for players to compete in but don't disclude a fucking nationality. Especially considering that is the country that paved the way for competitive RTS when there was no following. Hey why don't we shit on them because they are too good? Oh ya, we dont' do that because we want to see good players winning instead of people we like winning.
If you want to see people you like win, make a gold league tournament with your buddies in it and give him some money.
I'll be watching the best of the best while you do that. This has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the scene in Korea being the driving force behind creating players of an entirely different caliber. IE an established scene that shares information with one another through emulation, an understanding of the work ethic needed to play at the highest level, and a widespread respect for RTS which results in a bigger talent pool. Nothing that powerful. I dunno, I'm not one to say "they're better. Foreigners will never get there." I think foreigners need to be trying to reach that level. Is that so unrealistic? If they fail to make it to the highest level why do they deserve tournament prize money? How do you decide what is an unfair advantage based on your country of origin? Different scenes produce different caliber of competitors in absolutely everything, and scenes having local competitions at a lower level than inter-scene competitions is common in everything too. Nobody gets uppity at a country having a national competition for its own population - it has less prestige than an international one, but it isn't racist. If a sponsor of said tournament wants to award X dollars to the best competitor in that region, then that's up to them. Whether or not foreigners (the word in itself implying a gulf between the korean and nonkorean scenes) need to reach the korean level is a different discussion entirely.
Ok, that is a good point. It would be exciting to watch the non-koreans battle for good prize money. To see the different games that would happen. Fun idea. I know I loved watching the TSL that NonY won in BW. To be honest with you, I'm not an expert starcraft spectator.
Mainly, I was attacking the tone of the OP, which to me, sounded like a child whining about things not going his way and trying to fix it by complaining about things. Instead of accepting that his players are not the best, he wants players to not come to tournaments? Players who work equally hard? That would be ridiculous.
Honestly, as good as some of the comments in this thread are, the OP is just too crappy to have any intelligent discussion. Not to mention I haven't read the threads that happened whent the exclusion of Koreans was a hot topic on this forum.
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Hong Kong9153 Posts
Protectionism doesn't work in any economy, even the economy of player skill in competitive gaming.
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Maybe Foreigners should get better. That'd be a better blog than this. 
As an aside, most BW fans had no qualms about Koreans winning all the time, and I'm pretty sure a lot of people who switched to SC2 feel the same way about wanting their Korean idols from BW kick ass.
Is it just you? Maybe.
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On October 12 2012 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Well, you're Australian... so either hope that they practice as much as the best players, or be happy for tournaments like WCS Oceania. There are occasional tournaments that feature one country only, but only having mediocre players means we're not going see the highest level of play... and once you've seen Koreans play, you pretty much know what subpar performance looks like (even from Koreans). I'd rather have our foreigners rise to the level of Koreans than have most tournaments exclude the best players to help the weak. It's just like any other job- do what it takes to move up towards the top (unless you're fine with where you are now), or get weeded out.
Although I agree that all NA or EU events are not the answer, I would also prefer that MLG and other leagues not go out of their way to get Korean players to attend. Especially with the Kespa players, who’s teams are pushing preferential treatment(seeds out of the open bracket, whole tournaments centered around them). This kind is the kind of stuff the community would eviscerate EG. Players like Flash could make it through the open bracket, just like MKP, Crank and other Korean players. I understand why Kespa is pushing to have them seeded into the groups stage and their plan makes perfect sense. I just don’t care for it and would prefer a system that didn’t so closely revolve around the business deals between both leagues.
I think NASL has struck a good medium when it comes to this issue. They have active participation on most levels and all their players qualified or are carryovers from last season. They aren’t trying to court Kespa or Korean pro teams as far as I know. I would rather leagues it’s own story line, rivalries and struggles speak for themselves.
In the end I care more about who is playing, rather than if it is "the highest level play". WCS EU was great and I enjoyed every minute.
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On October 12 2012 15:32 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Its not the sub-par skill that concerns me. Australian people want to see Australian players doing decently in a Foreign event. Its a sense of patriotism.
Yeah, but they don't bitch about how other nations are doing too well in the Olympics. They bitch about how Australian athletes suck balls and can't get nearly as high of a medal count, even in swimming.
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On October 13 2012 00:16 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:27 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Is it the players fault that they can't keep up with Korean gamers rate of improvement? Maybe. What the fuck is this? Who else's fault could it possibly be? lol
No such thing as a free lunch and Torte the only reason you can say it's predictable is because there aren't as many landmines outside of Korea and even then let's look at the qualification processes inside and outside of Korea.
Remember how everyone used to talk about how volatile certain match-ups were let alone the game? Yeah, well the guys who seem to be wrecking house seem to have the best tournament results at the same time with only a few discrepancies.
Most recent example of this is Life, but it's gone on throughout the beginning of the game.
There's a lot of consistency there even with all the international tournaments and bush league shit.
Who would of thunk it!
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On October 12 2012 15:27 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Is it the players fault that they can't keep up with Korean gamers rate of improvement? Maybe.
LOL
Anyway, the best part is that if say, China produced elite sc2 players that beat koreans in major tournaments, blogs like this (foreigners only!) would exist. Why? Well... take a guess
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On October 12 2012 15:32 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Its not the sub-par skill that concerns me. Australian people want to see Australian players doing decently in a Foreign event. Its a sense of patriotism.
So because your country blows in sc2 you want to bar the koreans from tournaments.... I just had a genius idea for my country to win the next olympics, you'll never guess what it is.
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On October 13 2012 09:46 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:32 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Its not the sub-par skill that concerns me. Australian people want to see Australian players doing decently in a Foreign event. Its a sense of patriotism. So because your country blows in sc2 you want to bar the koreans from tournaments.... I just had a genius idea for my country to win the next olympics, you'll never guess what it is.
Reminds me of the whites-only basketball league some guy created 2 years ago in the (American) south. We can't compete so we'll play by ourselves. Oh, also we're racists!Q (they said they were tired of "Jungle Ball" haha morons).
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On October 13 2012 09:46 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 15:32 MrMcIntosh wrote:
Its not the sub-par skill that concerns me. Australian people want to see Australian players doing decently in a Foreign event. Its a sense of patriotism. So because your country blows in sc2 you want to bar the koreans from tournaments.... I just had a genius idea for my country to win the next olympics, you'll never guess what it is.
Creating a tournament for non-koreans is not the same as barring koreans from tournaments.
Just like creating national/regional competitions doesn't do anything to the Olympics.
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Creating a tournament for non-koreans is not the same as barring koreans from tournaments.
lmao
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Sure, we have girls only tournament so we should have nonkorean tournaments too.
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But that's not the issue. I would not be bothered by a foreigner only tournament. The problem is the blog title itself is "Why Koreans in the Foreign Scene is a bad idea" and he admits in his post that it's just because foreigners aren't good enough, but he somehow applies the blame to koreans (What the fuck) and then laments it's not fair they keep losing because they're professionals that try really really hard (obviously not hard enough; and what exactly do Koreans do? Not try really hard either?). Maybe they should seek new careers if they can't compete.
Instead of a blog that's like, "hey guise we should have a foreigner only team, get some lesser accomplished players some up-and-coming players and some fan favorites! It'll be great!" But instead he blames Koreans and QQs
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On October 12 2012 15:36 MrMcIntosh wrote:Don't like it, don't read it. Btw thanks for bump
How is he supposed to know if he likes your opinion or not if he doesnt read it :S
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On October 13 2012 10:59 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +Creating a tournament for non-koreans is not the same as barring koreans from tournaments. lmao
He's right.
They still aren't banned from the major tournaments.
It's sort of TSL 1 & 2, but the context is a bit different, because TSL 1 & 2 existed in a time when foreign scene had no way to compete with korea. At the time, foreign scene had almost no tournament and thus no way to easily practice and maintain a high skill level. It's not the case anymore.
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Wow perfect response to OP. Hahaha.
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EPT
