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On October 04 2012 13:13 mmMacks wrote:
There are lots of norms in baseball regarding how players are supposed to interact with the umpires, who can make the game a lot harder for a player if feeling disrespected. For example when a hitter reacts strongly and negatively as the result of a call the ump made, the ump will either be harsher or more lenient for that hitter's next at bat depending on whether or not he felt he was obviously right or possibly wrong.
Another interesting norm I've noticed in baseball is that any time a catcher gets hit by an errant pitch, the ump will take a walk out to the pitchers mound, exchange a few words with the pitcher, and then return to his place behind the plate; this is I think to give the catcher a few seconds to collect himself after getting hit so hard. Usually the harder the catcher gets hit, the slower the ump walks to and from the mound.
Also, very few players slide cleats out these days. Similarly, I notice fewer and fewer base-runners attempting to steam roll the catcher during a play at the plate.
yep. these are all definitely true. There is another one that basically says that if an umpire takes a hit from a foul tip, the catcher or manager will go out the mound to waste a little time so the ump can get his wits about him
There are a ton of em with baseball, really.. If you are winning by a big margin (6+ runs) it is unacceptable to do a number of things. stealing bases, taking an extra base while running the bases, hit and runs are all no-nos when you are ahead by a big margin. Baseball is such that the game isnt over and until it is truly over and any comeback is theoretically possible, but if a team is seen to be rubbing it in, the opposing pitcher might start throwing at batters.
This goes further too. if a player gets hit by a pitcher above the belt, the opposing equivalent of that player is likely to get drilled by the opposing pitcher. That is to say that if the cleanup hitter of one team is hit, the opposing cleanup hitter is fair game. This is generally accepted as okay, even though it is blatantly against the rules. The umpire will give a warning but not toss anybody out of the game like hes supposed to.
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On October 04 2012 03:33 onewingedmoogle wrote:
if you cheese opponent and win, you must be open for a re-game
Remember the 'How to play Blue Storm' youtube clip? Never re!!!
I could also add helping the opposition to get up from the ground by extending your hand.
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I can think of a couple:
In basketball it is pretty much the number one unwritten rule that when you are guarding a guy and he goes up for a jump shot you don't put your foot where he is going to land on it. While its not technically illegal since you are only really placing your foot somewhere on the open court ant not initiating contact, it is considered extremely dirty because this often results in ankle injuries. Bruce Bowen was pretty infamous for doing this.
In baseball, its extremely taboo for a pitcher to show any kind of negative emotion when a defender on his team makes an error or doesn't get to a ball that he should have gotten to. There are no rules about it, but your teammates and even the media/fans will turn against you pretty quickly if you do this. I remember a lot of stories about John Lackey doing this with the Red Sox a season or two ago.
In football, mainly college football, there are a lot of games that are complete mismatches. Coaches will get a lot of negative attention if they keep playing their starters and/or keep throwing the ball downfield when they have a big lead and the game is seen to be out of reach. Its kind of funny since the whole point of playing offense in football is to score points but there have been a lot of coaches called out for this over the years.
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I will never, ever, understand American sport. Definitely not taking a cheapshot here, but the mentality is so very, very different to everything I experienced in 'European' sports (bearing in mind I live in South Africa).
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On October 04 2012 08:45 MrF wrote:
Here's an obvious one, in hockey if both players take their gloves off the refs usually let them fight 'till either one is winning or it goes to the ground. There are certain exceptions, but still it's pretty absurd as fighting is illegal but they let it go most of the time then just give a penalty.
That's only in NHL/North American leagues though. In Europe the refs will try to break up the fight if possible.
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In football, the defending team will take a knee like that because they can. If the defending team (the team with the lead) in basketball had some legal mechanism to completely freeze play while still letting the clock run down, they sure as hell would use it. The whole fouling on purpose tactic is done by the team that is losing. You're comparing completely different things.
Also, in soccer, delay of game is against the rules, and you can get yellow carded for it.
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In table tennis (at least where I play), it's quite common to let your opponent get the point if you're up 10-0. If you're in that situation, you let them get a service ace or miss your own serve on purpose, so that the set doesn't end 11-0.
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On October 03 2012 12:01 Funnytoss wrote:
Since 1978, taking a knee has become the accepted and expected move in such circumstances. But for it to work, the defending team has to play along and let the offensive team run out the clock. What's "sportsmanlike" play, and what's "cheap"?
That's not true though, which is why Schiano is an ass (well one reason). The team with the ball kneels just fine and runs out the clock no matter what the defense does. There has not been one instance anyone can highlight in a high level game where a team taking a knee to run out the clock has lost because of a turnover (or even I think turned it over at all). Schiano has never swung a game with it. The defense has no reasonable chance and even if they do have some minuscule chance it's nowhere near the chance of injury. That's why this sportsmanship thing of not rushing became a thing, because it's just pointless violence that could harm someone's career. It's like making someone kill all your buildings in starcraft, but worse because it's physical contact.
Basically what I'm saying is there's almost always good reasons why these norms exist, they're not just arbitrary things so not following them basically just makes you look like a fool, not some ingenious rebel.
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On October 06 2012 03:09 ZapRoffo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 12:01 Funnytoss wrote:
Since 1978, taking a knee has become the accepted and expected move in such circumstances. But for it to work, the defending team has to play along and let the offensive team run out the clock. What's "sportsmanlike" play, and what's "cheap"? That's not true though, which is why Schiano is an ass (well one reason). The team with the ball kneels just fine and runs out the clock no matter what the defense does. There has not been one instance anyone can highlight in a high level game where a team taking a knee to run out the clock has lost because of a turnover (or even I think turned it over at all). Schiano has never swung a game with it. The defense has no reasonable chance and even if they do have some minuscule chance it's nowhere near the chance of injury. That's why this sportsmanship thing of not rushing became a thing, because it's just pointless violence that could harm someone's career. It's like making someone kill all your buildings in starcraft, but worse because it's physical contact. Basically what I'm saying is there's almost always good reasons why these norms exist, they're not just arbitrary things so not following them basically just makes you look like a fool, not some ingenious rebel.
Why not just call the game over instead of partaking in a pointless play that the other team can't challenge?
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On October 06 2012 12:36 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:09 ZapRoffo wrote:On October 03 2012 12:01 Funnytoss wrote:
Since 1978, taking a knee has become the accepted and expected move in such circumstances. But for it to work, the defending team has to play along and let the offensive team run out the clock. What's "sportsmanlike" play, and what's "cheap"? That's not true though, which is why Schiano is an ass (well one reason). The team with the ball kneels just fine and runs out the clock no matter what the defense does. There has not been one instance anyone can highlight in a high level game where a team taking a knee to run out the clock has lost because of a turnover (or even I think turned it over at all). Schiano has never swung a game with it. The defense has no reasonable chance and even if they do have some minuscule chance it's nowhere near the chance of injury. That's why this sportsmanship thing of not rushing became a thing, because it's just pointless violence that could harm someone's career. It's like making someone kill all your buildings in starcraft, but worse because it's physical contact. Basically what I'm saying is there's almost always good reasons why these norms exist, they're not just arbitrary things so not following them basically just makes you look like a fool, not some ingenious rebel. Why not just call the game over instead of partaking in a pointless play that the other team can't challenge?
It's just how you wait for the time on the clock to run out. Most fixed time sports never end before time runs out except for unusual circumstances. Soccer doesn't end before 90 minutes, hockey doesn't end before 3 periods are played in full, basketball doesn't end until all 4 quarters are played in full, etc.. Same deal for football. All of those are just the rules of the game (and the rules of football also say the offense gets 40 seconds to do a play after the last one ends so that's why they kneel plays and don't just stand there), and forfeiting before time is not part of the custom in any of these. I guess that's just to keep everything uniform time and stuff.
A lot of these unspoken norms are ways to do get a desired result (in this case finish off the time on the clock once the victor is clear without having to give and take extra hits) while still following the rules of the game.
Here's one though that I think really needs to be addressed because the custom is really muddled:
On a penalty in soccer, the rules say that the keeper has to stay on the goal line until the ball is kicked. Yet on almost every kick in a high level game, the keeper comes forward too early to get an advantage, and usually it's not called. But then occasionally someone will miss a kick and the ref will call the keeper for that violation and the kicking team gets a re-take which is a huge swing in a game, when it's something basically every keeper does on every penalty. Then you also see shootouts where it's called against a keeper and they still do it every kick, so in essence it's impossible for the shooting team to not score every kick cause they will always get a retake if they miss (or there's times when the ref calls a keeper for it, then later in the same shootout there's a miss where the keeper did the same thing, and this time he magically doesn't get called). It's so dumb.
Anyway imo the best solution is to change the rules so that the keeper is allowed to come forward starting at the referee's whistle, which would also make the whole pk more dynamic and exciting.
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In League its always 1 top 1 jungle 1 mid, 2 bottom. I ask my friends why not 2 top 1 bottom, they all just say "b/c that's the way it is." Who knows, 2 mid might be better, nobody knows b/c nobody tries.
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On October 07 2012 03:59 Luepert wrote:
In League its always 1 top 1 jungle 1 mid, 2 bottom. I ask my friends why not 2 top 1 bottom, they all just say "b/c that's the way it is." Who knows, 2 mid might be better, nobody knows b/c nobody tries.
Two bottom gives you dragon and blue/red control(depending on side). Two mid is pointless because mid(even in dota and hon) usually has a character that does exceptionally well with levels, which solo laning gives,(most AP carries/AD assassins) and isn't nearly as farm reliant as an AD carry which is why you put the AD carry bottom with a support. This gives 2 people + jungler for dragon control and a lane that isn't nearly as hostile as top or mid thus giving the AD carry more farm.
Unfortunately, I have nothing to add to the post(because I posted earlier) but since I'm hypervigilant as fuck I had to correct this post. T_T
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On October 04 2012 02:47 ChrisXIV wrote:
Tennis - the way you serve is pretty much set in stone, but there have been players who abused it, serving from below and other shenanigans. There's a limited amount of times you can try to serve and bounce the ball in between before you have to, some players, i.e. Djokovic, really take their time hoping to unnerve their opponents.
Hurting your opponent is a big no-no.
WHOA WHOA WHOA there just because you serve under doesnt mean your abusing it, its a very valid thing even working in the FRENCH OPEN for Michael Chang, who eventually went on to win it. There are mind games in tennis ^^
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turdburgler already mentioned this:
Football (Soccer): You're supposed to kick the ball behind the back- or ending line if there's an injuried player of the opposing team lying on the ground (the ball is, of course, given back by the opposition once the treatments are done). This habit was introduced by Brazilian superstar Garrincha during the match Botafogo - Fluminense, Brazilian First Division Championship 1960.
Curiously, this custom has a dark side - many times, cunning players will fake their injury to persuade the opposition to kick the ball out and stop possibly dangerous attack. In 2007, Espanyol Barcelona announced that their players won't obey the custom anymore. This choice quickly backfired during their following league games, when, couple of times, they were in need of medical help and their opposition played on. After that, the Garrincha's custom remained unquestioned about everywhere, even though the doubts sometimes still arise.
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