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[BR] First TvP BW win!

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 08 2012 21:29 GMT
#1
Hi everyone,
Here's a TvP that I played several days back. Keep in mind I'm a noob at BW so my money will float extraordinary high(I miss hotkeying multiple buildings lol). Shall we start? :D

The game starts as usual. I spawn bottom right and he spawns top left and we both open standard. He researches dragoon range while I make an academy ...
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I block my ramp or so I thought, so gosu lol:
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I decide to expand and hold his dragoon pressure while going tanks and repairing to defend:
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I actually placed the bunker in the correct place? LOL
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I go mech while he adds more gateways, gets double forge for upgrades as well as templar archives.
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My opponent expands while keeping me contained. I work on getting my tank count up and decide that it's time to take my third when it felt right.
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A little harass can't fail, right? Wrong, we both screw them up!
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Since it's been quiet and looks like it's turning into a macro game, I finally take my third, put some land mines and move my forces out. My opponent has about a similar army supply as well and storms ready.
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I harass a bit with vultures stopping his third from going up and taking out some zealots before withdrawing while leap frogging my tanks slowly although I end up splitting my forces near the center.
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There is finally an engagement! My forces are split up and against a superior protoss army, I manage to trade equally. Not the best for mech but my macro wasn't working well in that game so I had plenty of money saved up to rebuild.
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Clutch defensive matrix I tell ya!
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After my protoss opponent wins the battle, he takes his third as I take my fourth. I continue leaping forward my tanks and get closer to his main entrance. I force an engagement being almost maxed and having what I believe to be the superior army. This could be a game deciding engagement!
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I love me some dragoon gooooo!
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Where's the stasis?

Seeing an opportunity to do some damage, I move closer to his base and siege up some tanks forgetting that scan is S losing the remainder of the army there but never fear, mass queuing is here!
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My opponent recalls into my undefended third base and takes it out while I attack and take out his own third. He tries to defend but half of his army isn't enough to take out my tanks:
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An eye for an eye right?
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With his last mining base mined out and running low on saved resources, he tried to recall into my main but is stopped by my missile turrets:
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He keeps on flooding me with units after trying to break my front:
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After failing to break the front and with one remaining dragoon in the red, he just leaves the game:
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Bonus:
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lol at valkyrie and +1 air weapons(oops)

Hooray, finally won a BW game lol. Now if only I can actually find more games to join, a TvZ would be nice

Need to fix:
- Need more vultures to harass and place more spider mines
- Remember the correct hotkeys(*cough*scan*cough*)
- Multitask much more. It took quite a while before I moved close enough to his base
- Getting upgrades much faster(opponent 3/1/3, only 3/0)
- Work on my control groups.

Curious as to how BW Terran players hotkey their buildings? Can you use function keys for camera settings like in SCII? Forgot to try it. How much can a base support as well? I had a ton of resources saved but that was due to my macro slipping because I kept forgetting to go back to the base to make units. I recall hearing that 5 factories is too much for 2 mining bases, thoughts?

Thanks for reading!

*****
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Jikan No Muda
Profile Joined August 2012
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 21:47:34
September 08 2012 21:41 GMT
#2
Shift F1 to hotkey locations.

When I played BW I used 6-7-8 for CC's, leaving 9 & 0 for scans. using 1 for scans isn't bad either since 1a isn't all that comfortable for some people on some keyboards(, also, 2ta3ta4ta is just comfy when playing bio). In some match-ups like TvP where your army isn't as numerous I used 1 to check upgrades from time to time.

I'm pretty sure you can have 1 fac with add-on and 2 without for every mining base you have.
You can get there slower if you go for early upgrades but I think that's sustainable production.

Thx for the BR!

e. Early game you can hotkey a factory and doubletap for your production rounds, later on you just have to learn the location saves. ( use one for your factories and another for where you want to rally stuff to quickly reset rallies: F2-click-R-F3-click)
Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
September 08 2012 21:51 GMT
#3
Congratz on your first bw win, way to go. Thanks for the battle report.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
September 08 2012 22:26 GMT
#4
On September 09 2012 06:41 Jikan No Muda wrote:
Shift F1 to hotkey locations.

When I played BW I used 6-7-8 for CC's, leaving 9 & 0 for scans. using 1 for scans isn't bad either since 1a isn't all that comfortable for some people on some keyboards(, also, 2ta3ta4ta is just comfy when playing bio). In some match-ups like TvP where your army isn't as numerous I used 1 to check upgrades from time to time.

I'm pretty sure you can have 1 fac with add-on and 2 without for every mining base you have.
You can get there slower if you go for early upgrades but I think that's sustainable production.

Thx for the BR!

e. Early game you can hotkey a factory and doubletap for your production rounds, later on you just have to learn the location saves. ( use one for your factories and another for where you want to rally stuff to quickly reset rallies: F2-click-R-F3-click)


its shift and f2/f3/f4

f1 is options and doesnt hotkey areas.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 08 2012 22:34 GMT
#5
Thanks for the kind comments guys. Jikan No Muda, I'll definitely look into that, maybe 6,7,8 are better for my cc. xccam, thanks for the correction.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Savi[wOk]
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
United States81 Posts
September 08 2012 23:33 GMT
#6
Hey man awesome post. Really love the pictures.
I love how you deny Arbiters to be op in this game.
Keep up your games.
Btw, did you know if you get vultures behind their minerals, you can kill a lot of probes...just tugging your chain.
Lets play starcraft
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 00:06:40
September 09 2012 00:05 GMT
#7
Macro game... more like toss took 16 gates while staying on 2 base.

But nice BR.
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10360 Posts
September 09 2012 00:13 GMT
#8
On September 09 2012 09:05 Nazza wrote:
Macro game... more like toss took 16 gates while staying on 2 base.

But nice BR.

trying to use special tactics.
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empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
September 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#9
I'm so sad, It's like me playing PvT t.t
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
September 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#10
look man.

i know your a noob and all but 9k9k is pretty bad lol.

thanks for the battle report! i really do enjoy seeing these, even if they're not the highest level, just because it's kind of cool to see a game in this written format. especially with pictures.

also LOL +1 VALK.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 00:22:10
September 09 2012 00:20 GMT
#11
also learn to be really obnoxious with vultures. god they're a protoss player's worst nightmare.

just build a fuck ton of factories and keep churning out those vultures.

put mines on all of his possible expansions, cover ramps with mines when you go up to kill probes, get a dropship when the protoss player learns how to sim city.

cover your main in mines too if you see twilight/arbiter play. that way if he succeeds his army will be instantly obliderated.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 09 2012 00:28 GMT
#12
Thank you for the battle report, it's always nice to see it!
Zest fanboy.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 09 2012 00:39 GMT
#13
If you want to host games, you'll need to port forward (http://portforward.com explains how; they usually have a guide for your router, for StarCraft.) The ports are UDP and TCP 6112. Then you can create games for other people to join, and name it TvZ so you can play vs Zergs.

Good battlereport, although I suggest making it more flavourful
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 09 2012 01:00 GMT
#14
Thanks for the comments everyone!

On September 09 2012 08:33 Savi[wOk] wrote:
Hey man awesome post. Really love the pictures.
I love how you deny Arbiters to be op in this game.
Keep up your games.
Btw, did you know if you get vultures behind their minerals, you can kill a lot of probes...just tugging your chain.

when did I deny them to be OP? Storms, reavers, arbiters, tanks, defilers, etc... are all OP and which is why I love the game lol. ya, you're right but I didn't know the map layout well(2nd time in a year) and my micro isn't up to par at all. I tried to sneak them from the back but he had zealots there which is why you see that screenshots of zealots chasing my vultures through his third lol.

On September 09 2012 09:05 Nazza wrote:
Macro game... more like toss took 16 gates while staying on 2 base.

But nice BR.

lol well, he tried to take a third and eventually did. I only called it macro because it seemed like we both were working on more units/workers and expanding(for me at least) but we aren't obviously pro or anything. Thanks

On September 09 2012 09:13 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 09:05 Nazza wrote:
Macro game... more like toss took 16 gates while staying on 2 base.

But nice BR.

trying to use special tactics.

sounds like it

On September 09 2012 09:17 empty.bottle wrote:
I'm so sad, It's like me playing PvT t.t

ah, it's ok, BW is not going anywhere

On September 09 2012 09:17 Gamegene wrote:
look man.

i know your a noob and all but 9k9k is pretty bad lol.

thanks for the battle report! i really do enjoy seeing these, even if they're not the highest level, just because it's kind of cool to see a game in this written format. especially with pictures.

also LOL +1 VALK.

np and ya, about that, well, I'm used to using control groups with multiple buildings to make units from SCII so what happened was that I expanded and money was hovering between 500-1000 or so then I expanded again and at that point, my macro completely fell apart. I kept forgetting to go back to my base to make units and since my focus was on moving my army, I end up queuing up units until I get used to it. It's why my army was 3/0 when I had an armory not researching anything lol. Thanks and ya, that +1 was a complete accident, dunno how I messed up XD

On September 09 2012 09:20 Gamegene wrote:
also learn to be really obnoxious with vultures. god they're a protoss player's worst nightmare.

just build a fuck ton of factories and keep churning out those vultures.

put mines on all of his possible expansions, cover ramps with mines when you go up to kill probes, get a dropship when the protoss player learns how to sim city.

cover your main in mines too if you see twilight/arbiter play. that way if he succeeds his army will be instantly obliderated.

yes, you're right. I've seen a decent portion of BW TvP and saw how they use them but since I never played BW 1v1 hardcore or anything, I wasn't able to keep up with the multitasking but ya, everything you said is what I wanted to do. It just got overriden when I was trying to macro and move my units ><

On September 09 2012 09:28 sAsImre wrote:
Thank you for the battle report, it's always nice to see it!

Thank you for reading

On September 09 2012 09:39 Birdie wrote:
If you want to host games, you'll need to port forward (http://portforward.com explains how; they usually have a guide for your router, for StarCraft.) The ports are UDP and TCP 6112. Then you can create games for other people to join, and name it TvZ so you can play vs Zergs.

Good battlereport, although I suggest making it more flavourful

Thanks for the link, will look into it. Thanks, what do you suggest for more flavourful?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
September 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#15
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
September 09 2012 02:25 GMT
#16
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 02:43:05
September 09 2012 02:42 GMT
#17
On September 09 2012 11:18 Birdie wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.

I don't have a ton of experience writing BR, this is only my 4th I think but I tried to do a bit of that. Obviously nowhere close to Bibiane's lol but I'll try harder next time. On a side note, I don't have much references BMing progamers -_-;

On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

oh have you? hmm, well, he did tell me he wasn't new to the game when I asked since his account was still at 1100 I believe(1-0). How would you say his skill level is? I just want to gauge what my level is. Thanks, would've been nicer if I stayed on my macro but what can one do, practice! practice! lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10360 Posts
September 09 2012 03:22 GMT
#18
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

suntzu is white-ra smurf.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 04:44:43
September 09 2012 04:44 GMT
#19
On September 09 2012 11:42 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:18 Birdie wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.

I don't have a ton of experience writing BR, this is only my 4th I think but I tried to do a bit of that. Obviously nowhere close to Bibiane's lol but I'll try harder next time. On a side note, I don't have much references BMing progamers -_-;

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

oh have you? hmm, well, he did tell me he wasn't new to the game when I asked since his account was still at 1100 I believe(1-0). How would you say his skill level is? I just want to gauge what my level is. Thanks, would've been nicer if I stayed on my macro but what can one do, practice! practice! lol.


D level and higher at best .....but not D+ .

On September 09 2012 12:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

suntzu is white-ra smurf.


He ain't white ra that's for sure
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 09 2012 05:36 GMT
#20
On September 09 2012 12:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

suntzu is white-ra smurf.

There is no way this guy is white-ra smurf lol.

On September 09 2012 13:44 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 11:42 BigFan wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:18 Birdie wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.

I don't have a ton of experience writing BR, this is only my 4th I think but I tried to do a bit of that. Obviously nowhere close to Bibiane's lol but I'll try harder next time. On a side note, I don't have much references BMing progamers -_-;

On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

oh have you? hmm, well, he did tell me he wasn't new to the game when I asked since his account was still at 1100 I believe(1-0). How would you say his skill level is? I just want to gauge what my level is. Thanks, would've been nicer if I stayed on my macro but what can one do, practice! practice! lol.


D level and higher at best .....but not D+ .

and higher? isn't that D+ then since its a step up from D? lol but ya, I figured he's D-/D at best but I'm still wondering how that works as in where's the cut off for D or D+? Thanks
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
September 09 2012 05:52 GMT
#21
I did read this and 5 star this morning but I didn't comment. Since you went through the trouble of digging out one of mine and posting, I should post back!

This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up!

Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 06:12:05
September 09 2012 06:08 GMT
#22
On September 09 2012 14:52 Bibbit wrote:
I did read this and 5 star this morning but I didn't comment. Since you went through the trouble of digging out one of mine and posting, I should post back!

This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up!

Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D

Thanks, too kind though. I don't have the writing skills for BR and I could've done much better in that game >< Of course, I would love to get some games, even now lol and I just realized you're Zerg as well so TvZ I should mention though that I'm mostly on iCCup or trying to before I start getting busy with uni in the next several weeks. Do you actually play on fish because I saw your stream earlier and it was on Fish?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
September 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#23
On September 09 2012 15:08 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 14:52 Bibbit wrote:
I did read this and 5 star this morning but I didn't comment. Since you went through the trouble of digging out one of mine and posting, I should post back!

This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up!

Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D

Thanks, too kind though. I don't have the writing skills for BR and I could've done much better in that game >< Of course, I would love to get some games, even now lol and I just realized you're Zerg as well so TvZ I should mention though that I'm mostly on iCCup or trying to before I start getting busy with uni in the next several weeks. Do you actually play on fish because I saw your stream earlier and it was on Fish?

Haha I think you have my confused with one of the other similarly named BW players like Bizzy or Bibiane :D

I'm just some D kid!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 09 2012 06:34 GMT
#24
On September 09 2012 15:13 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 15:08 BigFan wrote:
On September 09 2012 14:52 Bibbit wrote:
I did read this and 5 star this morning but I didn't comment. Since you went through the trouble of digging out one of mine and posting, I should post back!

This doesnt look like a joke! It was really entertaining! I had rated it 5 stars for a reason, and that reason wasn't pity. :D Keep it up!

Also you may have noticed that I suck as well, so if you ever want to play a few games, hit me up :D

Thanks, too kind though. I don't have the writing skills for BR and I could've done much better in that game >< Of course, I would love to get some games, even now lol and I just realized you're Zerg as well so TvZ I should mention though that I'm mostly on iCCup or trying to before I start getting busy with uni in the next several weeks. Do you actually play on fish because I saw your stream earlier and it was on Fish?

Haha I think you have my confused with one of the other similarly named BW players like Bizzy or Bibiane :D

I'm just some D kid!

lol ya, I confused you with Bibiane >< Either way, you probably play better than I do lol so I'm up for a challenge
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
September 09 2012 07:07 GMT
#25
Congrats for your win man

TvP is a difficult matchup, especially for beginners, nice BR too.

On hotkeys, I used 1-2-3-4-5 for army, 6-7-8 for scans, 9-0 for CCs (I start 6-7 CCs and then switch them to comsats once I start the comsats). Production goes to F2, Rally point goes to F3, one of the bases with unhotkeyed CC goes to F4. Works pretty well.
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
September 09 2012 07:09 GMT
#26
On September 09 2012 14:36 BigFan wrote:
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On September 09 2012 12:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

suntzu is white-ra smurf.

There is no way this guy is white-ra smurf lol.

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On September 09 2012 13:44 Sawamura wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:42 BigFan wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:18 Birdie wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.

I don't have a ton of experience writing BR, this is only my 4th I think but I tried to do a bit of that. Obviously nowhere close to Bibiane's lol but I'll try harder next time. On a side note, I don't have much references BMing progamers -_-;

On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

oh have you? hmm, well, he did tell me he wasn't new to the game when I asked since his account was still at 1100 I believe(1-0). How would you say his skill level is? I just want to gauge what my level is. Thanks, would've been nicer if I stayed on my macro but what can one do, practice! practice! lol.


D level and higher at best .....but not D+ .

and higher? isn't that D+ then since its a step up from D? lol but ya, I figured he's D-/D at best but I'm still wondering how that works as in where's the cut off for D or D+? Thanks


You are d + when you know you have gone beyond memorizing build orders and worrying about macro and micro mechanics instead you are controlling the flow of the game . Attacking at places where the advantage is to you and not to him .
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 09 2012 15:54 GMT
#27
On September 09 2012 16:07 Djagulingu wrote:
Congrats for your win man

TvP is a difficult matchup, especially for beginners, nice BR too.

On hotkeys, I used 1-2-3-4-5 for army, 6-7-8 for scans, 9-0 for CCs (I start 6-7 CCs and then switch them to comsats once I start the comsats). Production goes to F2, Rally point goes to F3, one of the bases with unhotkeyed CC goes to F4. Works pretty well.

Thanks, ya, I'm starting to think the early game in TvP is going to be a major headache. I managed to get several games going last night(finally lol) and two were TvPs. My opponent(same one, did a re) went for dts and I was trying to expand, forgot my engineering bay and when I noticed, I couldn't get it up in time gg. Then next game, I just finish building my rax and he already has a zealot and my marine is out, another zealots ... I couldn't hold on because all my workers got killed as they tried to repair a bunker gg >< Makes me wonder if I should go rax and build bunker right away.

On September 09 2012 16:09 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 14:36 BigFan wrote:
On September 09 2012 12:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

suntzu is white-ra smurf.

There is no way this guy is white-ra smurf lol.

On September 09 2012 13:44 Sawamura wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:42 BigFan wrote:
On September 09 2012 11:18 Birdie wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=363916 is an example of a more flavourful battlereport make it a bit funny, add references BMing progamers you don't like, bemoan your noobishness and make you sound like an amazing gosu, rather than just stating what happened.

I don't have a ton of experience writing BR, this is only my 4th I think but I tried to do a bit of that. Obviously nowhere close to Bibiane's lol but I'll try harder next time. On a side note, I don't have much references BMing progamers -_-;

On September 09 2012 11:25 Sawamura wrote:
played with that suntzu guy before ...... and I can just say that he tries to kill terran on 2 base all the time while he could play a standard game and get a fast third and macro up from there . Anyway congrats on the win you deserve it .

oh have you? hmm, well, he did tell me he wasn't new to the game when I asked since his account was still at 1100 I believe(1-0). How would you say his skill level is? I just want to gauge what my level is. Thanks, would've been nicer if I stayed on my macro but what can one do, practice! practice! lol.


D level and higher at best .....but not D+ .

and higher? isn't that D+ then since its a step up from D? lol but ya, I figured he's D-/D at best but I'm still wondering how that works as in where's the cut off for D or D+? Thanks


You are d + when you know you have gone beyond memorizing build orders and worrying about macro and micro mechanics instead you are controlling the flow of the game . Attacking at places where the advantage is to you and not to him .

hmm fair enough, thanks for the clarification
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 23:26:06
September 09 2012 23:20 GMT
#28
Haha, this felt so weird looking at. At least as far as expansion timing goes, it just looks as if you played the Protoss and your opponent played the Terran in this game.
Btw, you mention working on your multitasking abilities to push faster - that's never a bad thought, but actually given the position you were in, I feel like pushing slowly (preferably with turrets), was more than adequate. Making sure your push is safe feels like the most important thing to focus on if you're ahead in terms of expansions.

What I'm not a big fan is pushing one direction and expanding on the other side of the map. Usually you want your push protecting your expansions as the mech army is immobile. I'm a chobo like you though, so don't take any advice of mine seriously. What I can tell you with certainty is this: You dominated this game.
Well done!

For the hotkeys, here's zimps guide that I've been following up until now after previously using the "F2 production F3/4 rally" system. It takes some time getting used to but in just a short while you will find it SO DAMN USEFUL.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2012 11:59 zimp wrote:
I'm a hotkey expert. My suggestion to you:

Terran:

4 main command center
5-6-7-8-9 factories / barracks
0-9 (8-7) scan later
1-2-3 (4-5-6) units
F2 natural CC and later 4th base
F3 main CC then change to third base when you take it and later 5th
F4 rally point
(of course F keys can be changed. example: F3 nat F2 main and later 3rd F4 rally point)

in case of mech:
barracks 8 (doesnt conflict with units, and other factories in early game when you use it)
machine shop 7 for max efficiency
starport(s) 6 and/or 7 later
dropships 3

M&M usage
1 medics (this way you don't have to change if you use more/less marines)
2-3 (4-5) marine
4 or 5 (depending on marine amount): tanks
5: tanks/vessels
6: vessels / dropships / vults for mine
academy at start: 7/ 8 (so you can see + hit fast stim/range)

Why is this good:
- you cover 3 bases + production facilities + rally with hotkey in a way that no hotkey is wasted
- 4S is comfortable + by the time you have 4-5-6 groups of units, you don't really need to make more scvs, so you can change the CC
- you can maintain perfect scv production on 1 base while doing crucial micro (double tap 4 to send scv to work. you can also add your nat cc to a hotkey like 3 or 8 or 9 in situations where you want to focus 90% on micro so this way you can still produce scvs from 2ccs without going home at all - idle scvs are still better than no production).
- otherwise F2nat+F3third will force you to remember to actually send the scvs to work.
- you can pull workers very fast from stormdrops/reaver/lurker drop etc. anywhere it happens since you always have 2 F key spots where u see minerals.
- F4 is needed for rally point so you can jump very fast to your reinforcements and send them to battle in later game.
- you don't need F key for macro. Early-mid game, you can macro perfectly only from hotkeys. in late game, you just double tap 7 to go back to production facilities. this way you also see production rate if you spam 7 so you know when to macro. if you don't have 6 group of units at that moment, you can also set a starport to 6 and this way you will not forget to make vessels.
- you can use 3 factory with addon from hotkey while having 3 scans on hotkey and 4 groups of units on hotkey. quite good for tvp.
- hotkey usage is mobile (for example if you make a build like 6 fact allin where u cut scvs, you can put your 6th fact on 4. or another example is 5 rax build with terran, you can add 5th rax to 9 and use your natural scan from F2 only for scouting thech so you still have 0 for fast scanning)
- you can set rally very fast by assigning your lastly built production facilities to 5-6(-7-8) then F4 then 5rightclick 6rightclick etc.

[image loading]


Whether you choose to use this technique or another one, do make sure you think about it some time and take the time to get used to different styles. With a game like BW where mechanics play a huge part, you don't ever want to stop improving these and things like the f2 production facilities MIGHT hold you back. I'm not saying it will, as yet again I'm waaay too inexperienced for that
Anyway good luck with your terran, and it was fun reading this, make more in the future!
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 11 2012 06:08 GMT
#29
On September 10 2012 08:20 Stratos wrote:
Haha, this felt so weird looking at. At least as far as expansion timing goes, it just looks as if you played the Protoss and your opponent played the Terran in this game.
Btw, you mention working on your multitasking abilities to push faster - that's never a bad thought, but actually given the position you were in, I feel like pushing slowly (preferably with turrets), was more than adequate. Making sure your push is safe feels like the most important thing to focus on if you're ahead in terms of expansions.

What I'm not a big fan is pushing one direction and expanding on the other side of the map. Usually you want your push protecting your expansions as the mech army is immobile. I'm a chobo like you though, so don't take any advice of mine seriously. What I can tell you with certainty is this: You dominated this game.
Well done!

For the hotkeys, here's zimps guide that I've been following up until now after previously using the "F2 production F3/4 rally" system. It takes some time getting used to but in just a short while you will find it SO DAMN USEFUL.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2012 11:59 zimp wrote:
I'm a hotkey expert. My suggestion to you:

Terran:

4 main command center
5-6-7-8-9 factories / barracks
0-9 (8-7) scan later
1-2-3 (4-5-6) units
F2 natural CC and later 4th base
F3 main CC then change to third base when you take it and later 5th
F4 rally point
(of course F keys can be changed. example: F3 nat F2 main and later 3rd F4 rally point)

in case of mech:
barracks 8 (doesnt conflict with units, and other factories in early game when you use it)
machine shop 7 for max efficiency
starport(s) 6 and/or 7 later
dropships 3

M&M usage
1 medics (this way you don't have to change if you use more/less marines)
2-3 (4-5) marine
4 or 5 (depending on marine amount): tanks
5: tanks/vessels
6: vessels / dropships / vults for mine
academy at start: 7/ 8 (so you can see + hit fast stim/range)

Why is this good:
- you cover 3 bases + production facilities + rally with hotkey in a way that no hotkey is wasted
- 4S is comfortable + by the time you have 4-5-6 groups of units, you don't really need to make more scvs, so you can change the CC
- you can maintain perfect scv production on 1 base while doing crucial micro (double tap 4 to send scv to work. you can also add your nat cc to a hotkey like 3 or 8 or 9 in situations where you want to focus 90% on micro so this way you can still produce scvs from 2ccs without going home at all - idle scvs are still better than no production).
- otherwise F2nat+F3third will force you to remember to actually send the scvs to work.
- you can pull workers very fast from stormdrops/reaver/lurker drop etc. anywhere it happens since you always have 2 F key spots where u see minerals.
- F4 is needed for rally point so you can jump very fast to your reinforcements and send them to battle in later game.
- you don't need F key for macro. Early-mid game, you can macro perfectly only from hotkeys. in late game, you just double tap 7 to go back to production facilities. this way you also see production rate if you spam 7 so you know when to macro. if you don't have 6 group of units at that moment, you can also set a starport to 6 and this way you will not forget to make vessels.
- you can use 3 factory with addon from hotkey while having 3 scans on hotkey and 4 groups of units on hotkey. quite good for tvp.
- hotkey usage is mobile (for example if you make a build like 6 fact allin where u cut scvs, you can put your 6th fact on 4. or another example is 5 rax build with terran, you can add 5th rax to 9 and use your natural scan from F2 only for scouting thech so you still have 0 for fast scanning)
- you can set rally very fast by assigning your lastly built production facilities to 5-6(-7-8) then F4 then 5rightclick 6rightclick etc.

[image loading]


Whether you choose to use this technique or another one, do make sure you think about it some time and take the time to get used to different styles. With a game like BW where mechanics play a huge part, you don't ever want to stop improving these and things like the f2 production facilities MIGHT hold you back. I'm not saying it will, as yet again I'm waaay too inexperienced for that
Anyway good luck with your terran, and it was fun reading this, make more in the future!

ya, you're right. I should expand along with my army to protect my expansion since mech is immobile, mistake on my part lol. Thanks for commenting and hotkey list
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