EPTIf you have any advice please tell me. Thanks in advance.
Can you teach me to play SC:BW
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ZerphyR
Slovenia275 Posts
If you have any advice please tell me. Thanks in advance. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89581 http://blip.tv/day9tv#!page=154 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86770 | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
If you have windows 7 additionally you need this to fix the colors: http://sixen.org/bnet/Color Fixes.reg It's pretty easy to get a game on fish for D rank,but if you feel more adventures I guess you could try with fish. I'm sure you can find people on ICCUP who will be willing to help you around,make friends and enjoy the game^^ There are some general terran guides on liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Strategy_(Terran) Apart from that, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/broodwar ,you can find anything strategy related there,old BW day9 daily vods,etc. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
Terran vs Protoss is mech, unlike SC2 (that means tanks and vultures and some goliaths). Tanks are really good in SCBW, unlike SC2. There are similiarities (marine splitting in SC2 can be similiar to splitting against, say, zerg lurkers in SCBW). I'd say Terran turtles more in SCBW than in SC2. When playing vs Zerg you can go either mech or bio; bio is more standard but both are good. TvT is all mech, almost constantly after the first few marines. For general differences, you'll have to get used to SCVs not automatically mining (you have to manually right click mineral patches to mine), single building select instead of multiple building select, and max 12 unit selection instead of max 500. This means the game is mechanically more difficult to play than SC2. For Terran, SCVs and marines are about the same. Marines have two upgrades at the Academy (terran tech building), the range upgrade (U238 shell) and Stim upgrade. Instead of medivacs, you have medics, which are ground units that heal ground bio units. (Requires an academy) There is a separate air unit called the dropship which is used as an air transport. There is a ground unit called the Firebat (requires academy) which has flamethrowers like a hellion, but is slow like a marine. Ghosts are sorta similiar to SC2 but not used as often; you mostly use marines and medics for your main bio army. For mech units, you have the vulture, which is fast like a hellion, but shoots single powerful shots. It has a speed upgrade which is very useful, and a Spider Mine upgrade which gives it three Spider Mines. Spider Mines are placed on the ground and chase and explode on units that come close (very similiar to the Widow Mine in HotS). The siege tank is the same as in SCII but more powerful (it requires a machine shop on the factory). The goliath is basically a smaller Thor, which doesn't do splash damage. It is mostly effective vs air units, and has a range upgrade. Mech upgrades are at the Machine Shop, which is a Factory addon. There is also the Armory, which has the weapon and armour upgrades, and is required for goliaths. Air units are built from the Starport. Wraiths are like ...banshees but they can attack air and ground. They can cloak. Dropships are like medivacs without heal. Science Vessels are the air spellcaster, and are very useful. They have EMP (drains shields and energy, like the SCII Ghost EMP), and a shield (targets one unit, shields something like 250 damage), and Irradiate. Irradiate targets one unit and attaches a green cloud to that unit which deals splash damage to bio units in the area as well as to the targetted unit. Battlecruisers are similiar to SCII BCs; they have Yamato Cannon, which is a spell which does heaps of damage to a single target, after a warmup. I can go into the other races if you need. I suggest you play some of the campaign if you have the full version of SCBW, as it'll teach you all the units of each race in an easy way. There is a skype group for beginner players, which if you need an invite I can give you one (add me, JackRCDF on skype). There are often leagues and tournaments for low level players; one is in progress now (D Ranks Team League and one just finished, the D Ranks Individual Tournament. If you need more information just let me know. Again, expect to lose a lot of games when you first start. | ||
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Djeez
543 Posts
Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote: I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.> Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason. There's lots of hackers on West and East, which is why I don't normally recommend it. Plus, the skill level is higher on iCCup which is a good thing. However, it is true that there are often games hosted on East and West, so OP, if you want, you can go on USEast and USWest to play as well. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
if you can beat 3 computers on python or fighting spirit, then try iccup if you start now, you'll just get super disheartened and lose interest almost immediately On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote: I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.> Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason. I agree. iccup is about the worst place to start for complete beginners | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
If you want me to add you to the sGs skype group (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674) add me on skype - sgs.stratos. There's a lot of people new to the game. Actually my zerg is E/D- and I could use a practice buddy to learn the basic openings. | ||
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SaWse
Belgium102 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
On September 02 2012 21:10 SaWse wrote: The only thing you can do vs computers is train your macro because they are what you could call horrible. You can practice your micro as well, like trying to kill their zealot rush with 2 vultures or something. Really though, you want to get past the stage of practicing against computers as fast as possible and get on to playing the real games. | ||
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Th1rdEye
United States1074 Posts
Diamond in SC2 will equivocate to about D or D+ on iccup. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 02 2012 21:05 mizU wrote: Computers are just 6 minute all ins though, only good practice for turtling ;; There were some AI's you could DL from www.broodwarai.com that were actually pretty solid for working on a build order against and actually did semi reasonable builds. I know they were very nice for me when I was working on learning zerg a few years ago, don't know if they are still around. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4355 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:13 Birdie wrote: There's lots of hackers on West and East, which is why I don't normally recommend it. Plus, the skill level is higher on iCCup which is a good thing. However, it is true that there are often games hosted on East and West, so OP, if you want, you can go on USEast and USWest to play as well. Havent played BW for a couple of years but in my experience alot of the hackers doing these type of games are just map editors who have rigged the UMS map in their favour (vision , extra minerals etc) Play TVB or MELEE and not UMS if you want a lower chance of running into these type of guys | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272674 Even though their thread hasn't updated in a month, you can see from the link in that OP that their team on iccup has 50 people that all have games played this season and about 35-40 of them seem to have enough games indicating plenty of activity (like 48-38 or so). http://www.iccup.com/teams/27072.html They're all friendly and many are also newcomers. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10232 Posts
On September 02 2012 19:08 Djeez wrote: I don't really understand why people always tell completely new players to start on iccup right away. There's still a reasonable amount of 1:1 play/obs on US East/West every day. In fact, there's one right now and it's 6 am. And it specifies ''for noobs''. It's like you want him to go get wrecked right away just to shame him and prove BW is that much harder than SC2 >.> Sorry about ranting but it's pretty much like that everytime and I'm convinced that it's for this reason. D ranked players have a low enough macro that if he at least knows the basics of SC2, then he just needs to pick up a build order and he'll do fine. plus US E/W too many hackers. screw that. | ||
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3693 Posts
So, be prepared for people rushing you early on, and without great building placement and unit control you're completely dead, even when you see it coming. You can know all the things a Protoss is doing wrong (e.g. not expanding enough), but if you still aren't super careful, they can 1a2a3a their Goons+Zealots and easily steamroll your un-prepared forces. At lower levels, 'the number of things you have to do to play at the same level' is much higher for Terran. Yes, I'm biased, but you can see the frustration that's coming out when I think about my own ladder experience and the frustrations of learning Terran. It will most likely really piss you off sometimes when they do what seems like overly easy (to the point of being unfair) shit, and still win. But that's worth it, because playing Terran is a blast, and I would be ashamed to play anything but it q: Lol if you switched to P, you'd have to play PvP, which can also hurt your soul (in how often it happens on iCCup). TL;DR getting in is HARD and can be quite frustrating, but don't be tempted to compromise on which race you play just because the others may appear easier. You'll have the most fun if you play with the units you like the most, regardless of unfairness. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
I think its a general consensus that at lowest level, Terran is the hardest race to play in BW, but it's that much rewarding too  Nothing is more pleasurable to see than your tanks melting your opponent's army. Blue goo if Protoss, Red blood if Zerg. | ||
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surfinbird1
Germany999 Posts
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ZerphyR
Slovenia275 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On September 03 2012 03:25 ZerphyR wrote: Thanks all for your advice I'll make an account on iCCup. But how are you ranked whats equivalent to GM in SC2? And why isn't there a ladder in BW? there used to be an official bnet ladder for BW but blizzard dropped that ages ago. people also don't like playing on bnet because BW has a lot of built in latency, which private servers disable. i think there's some trick on regular bnet where you use #LL or something but i always played on iccup where lan latency was built into the iccup or chaos launcher. approximate iccup ranks to sc2 ladder ranks bronze-diamond keyboard/D-/D masters D+/C-/C gm C+/B-/B korean pro B+ to A | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
On September 03 2012 03:25 ZerphyR wrote: Thanks all for your advice I'll make an account on iCCup. But how are you ranked whats equivalent to GM in SC2? And why isn't there a ladder in BW? Iccup is BW's ladder, there's also the Korean Fish Server which has a lot more players on it but I'd advise sticking to iccup at first. On September 03 2012 03:37 rauk wrote: there used to be an official bnet ladder for BW but blizzard dropped that ages ago. people also don't like playing on bnet because BW has a lot of built in latency, which private servers disable. i think there's some trick on regular bnet where you use #LL or something but i always played on iccup where lan latency was built into the iccup or chaos launcher. approximate iccup ranks to sc2 ladder ranks bronze-diamond keyboard/D-/D masters D+/C-/C gm C+/B-/B korean pro B+ to A You need Chaos Launcher with the lan latency plugin to use #LL on Bnet. | ||
Falling
Canada11369 Posts
On September 03 2012 03:25 ZerphyR wrote: Thanks all for your advice I'll make an account on iCCup. But how are you ranked whats equivalent to GM in SC2? And why isn't there a ladder in BW? Also, if you can recruit real life friends to play the game for fun, I think you'll get the biggest bang for your buck for the fun factor. You probably need to grind a bunch against the computer to learn macro, but ultimately playing against real people is the most fun/ rewarding. The biggest problems is the jump in skill on iccup. However, there are similar SC2 players that have been trying out BW over the last year. | ||
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ZerphyR
Slovenia275 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:43 Falling wrote: Also, if you can recruit real life friends to play the game for fun, I think you'll get the biggest bang for your buck for the fun factor. You probably need to grind a bunch against the computer to learn macro, but ultimately playing against real people is the most fun/ rewarding. The biggest problems is the jump in skill on iccup. However, there are similar SC2 players that have been trying out BW over the last year. I couldn't agree more with you. Is there a more efficient way to practice than vs. the computers? | ||
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Falling
Canada11369 Posts
On September 03 2012 05:49 ZerphyR wrote: I couldn't agree more with you. Is there a more efficient way to practice than vs. the computers?I don't what works for other people. I just know that, for me personally I tended to play a game on iccup, lose badly, play a lot against the computer fixing build order errors (sometimes just quitting if I made one early game mistake like forgetting to make one probe), and trying to keep my money down, before going back to iccup. There might be a better way to do it, but I personally don't mind focusing on one thing over and over to fix it before playing more ladder games. Other people would probably say to ladder more, but you'll probably also experience more iccup losses. I think I lost 25 games before I got my first win nearly 2 years ago, some will say you need to lose 100 games on iccup to win. Not sure if that's true anymore. I don't know THE correct way, I just know A way. And I do know, playing with real life friends is a real blast provided you can balance out the teams. The biggest issue with macroing is knowing your hotkeys. I liked to practice the hotkey patterns when I wasn't playing the game (loading screens on Mass Effect for instance). Being able to fly across the keyboard when making units is huge. Just so long as you're practicing useful patterns. I accidently got into the habit of typing 0p98p rather than 0p9p8p and was always missing probes on my natural expansion. What's really awesome if you have a specific problem, to be able to practice with another clan member. There was specific Terran timing that was killing me and we just practiced defending against it again and again. Especially because you have shared replays and can save game and play from specific point in the game. Extremely powerful stuff if you can find the occasional person to practice with. | ||
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Seven8
Canada49 Posts
It is my intention to begin learning how to play BW after the fall semester is over. As a young child, I was always too scared to try to play BW. With the release of SC2 I began to really enjoy RTS gaming and I became aware of the proper way to play them. With this in mind, I have always wanted to go back and learn the game that I was once scarred of as a young child. Looking forward to seeing/practicing with some of you folks in the near future! | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
On October 16 2012 05:57 Seven8 wrote: I was just about to create a similar blog but I stumbled across this one. It is my intention to begin learning how to play BW after the fall semester is over. As a young child, I was always too scared to try to play BW. With the release of SC2 I began to really enjoy RTS gaming and I became aware of the proper way to play them. With this in mind, I have always wanted to go back and learn the game that I was once scarred of as a young child. Looking forward to seeing/practicing with some of you folks in the near future! Did you create an sGs account on iCCup? There are quite a few active players there that would be happy to help you out. If you log into iCCup after joining the team and use the command "/c o", you can see which of your teammates are online. | ||
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