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First I’d like to give some background so you can see where I’m coming from. I’m an 18 year old male and I’m not a super feminist type or anything. I enjoy watching anime and have seen maybe 15-20 individual shows, in addition to a few currently running ones. From this description you can probably tell I’m not a hard core viewer either. I got to thinking about this topic after hearing George RR Martin’s response when asked how he manages to write such compelling female characters. He said (paraphrased) “It’s because I’ve always considered women to be people too”.
Every year in high school and college classrooms there are numerous discussions about the sexist nature of fairy tales e.g. Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, etcetera. To briefly explain the arguments for this (I’m not well versed in depth on these issues by the way), people say that in these stories, the female characters, because of their sex, unjustly lack the agency to solve their own problems and are reliant on the male character to do everything for them. Recently, I’ve noticed that there are some popular anime shows where a male protagonist follows these same tropes.
In Fate/ Stay Night http://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=356 the protagonist, Emiya Shirou, a moderately athletic non-mage takes it upon himself to fight powerful mages and warriors, while preventing his summoned protector from doing the same. In the show, his protector is the female incarnation of King Arthur. He often states that it’s not her place to fight because he’s a man and it’s his duty to protect her even though it’s obvious to every other character and the viewer that his actions are irresponsible and dumb.
While it could be argued that Shirou’s change of heart halfway through the show invalidates my argument, the fact that it took so long to change his mind and that it was only changed when he witnessed the overwhelming power of King Arthur’s sword makes me think that Shirou never really changed his views on women, he just relented out of necessity.
This pattern is present in many other shows as well. One of which being the new show Dakara boku-ha H ga Dekinai http://myanimelist.net/anime/12549/ . Yes, this show is ecchi and quite bad imo, but the sexism is still there. The
protagonist takes it upon himself to protect his female friends not because he values their friendship, but because “Women are treasures and treasures are meant to be protected”. I rarely am the type to declare sexism, but this line kind of surprised me.
Now, I’m not writing this to say “anime and culture must change immediately!” or anything like that. This aspect of anime is just something that intrigued me when I noticed it and I wonder what the rest of TL thinks about this.
Finally, I’d like to say that I can name many, many shows off the top of my head that have fantastic female characters. FMA, Ergo Proxy, and Fate/ Zero are a few. Also, I have absolutely no problem with fan service and stuff like that. I don’t think the human body in any of its forms is offensive, though it does annoy me a little when a serious story is randomly derailed by a bikini scene or something.
Thanks!
 
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You read too much into it.
It's always been men protecting females simply because they can and they believe that men are naturally stronger (despite the situation eg. Female being stronger than male).
At the end of the day, if you didn't see the male at-least trying to do something in the storyline - he becomes a useless character.
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Thats typical Japanese culture for you. Especially shounen series targeted towards young male viewers ... what more do you expect? I don't really see anything wrong with it in this context, when it comes to fighting and physical tasks males do often have an advantage. There are also many counter-examples where an anime series has strong female leads / characters and useless male characters.
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Well I think redoxx has a point. I'm not an avid anime/manga fan but it's true for pretty much all fictional media; films, video games, cartoons, most mainstream stories we are exposed to.
It's easy to say that "but men are stronger, so they should take on the protector/fighter role", but in a fictional world those boundaries don't necessarily exist, with the existence of super powers or advanced weaponry. There's no physical reason, in these scenarios, why a woman can't be the one leading everyone into battle in a (hopefully) non-cliche manner.
Perhaps it's not so much a matter of male VS female, but rather about character. For a character to fight unwinnable battles, to put their lives on the line, there has to be a real reason; something to validate their behaviour. I don't think that many writers (who I am going to assume are mostly male) know what a female warrior *is* and so they become either a an over-masculine character who is denying everything female about themselves, or they go to the other extreme which is the over-sexualised female "sexy assassin" who is really just some kind of male fantasy and doesn't have any backbone.
There was a really good episode of Extra Credits that looked at this, I think it was this one:
http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/true-female-characters
On a broader note, I've been noticing a lot of *really* bad writing lately, especially in Hollywood films. It's amazing that so much money is spent on so many scripts which contain nothing but strung-together cliche sentences that you've heard a thousand times before.
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On August 21 2012 09:15 Xyik wrote:
Thats typical Japanese culture for you. Especially shounen series targeted towards young male viewers ... what more do you expect? I don't really see anything wrong with it in this context, when it comes to fighting and physical tasks males do often have an advantage. There are also many counter-examples where an anime series has strong female leads / characters and useless male characters.
That is actually true. Japanese culture (referring to males/females) is what you see in animes, while obviously not to that extreme extent.
It's just that most females in Japan often are content with going to a good HS and even University then getting married to a good male and live a housewives life while the male goes to work rararararara.
At the end of the day, the male is still in charge of most things.
Well that's how I see it here when I compare it to Australia.
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On August 21 2012 09:15 Xyik wrote:
Thats typical Japanese culture for you. Especially shounen series targeted towards young male viewers ... what more do you expect? I don't really see anything wrong with it in this context, when it comes to fighting and physical tasks males do often have an advantage. There are also many counter-examples where an anime series has strong female leads / characters and useless male characters.
I agree that typically males are the fighters, who, because of their skills, should fight. What I'm trying to point out though, is that there are many examples of shows where the male refuses to let the female fight simply because she's female. This is with complete disregard to ability.
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I agree, I think the fact that FSN is an eroge / adult visual novel is the reason that its so ridiculously sexist though. I don't think its a common scenario at all, nor a surprising one.
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On August 21 2012 09:53 Xyik wrote:
I agree, I think the fact that FSN is an eroge / adult visual novel is the reason that its so ridiculously sexist though. I don't think its a common scenario at all, nor a surprising one.
Don't you mean you don't think it's an uncommon scenario, unless I misinterpreted what you were trying to say?
But yeah...it's Japanese culture, it's generally quite pervasive anyway, and ffs it's an ero game lol. Nothing surprising. Obviously they also have female domination if OP is into that kind of thing, but the demographic is generally young male adults so they're probably going to cater to them.
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I really liked Fate/ Stay Night, although I'm sure you could come up with several other better examples of men showing more strength than women in anime. After all, wasn't Gilgamesh's downfall his lust and unrequited love for Arturia/ Saber? And I think at the end, Shirō doesn't even get to be with her (I remember watching it and realizing that it wasn't a traditional happy ending and being so sad at first).
So I think this anime in particular was about men underestimating the strength of a woman.
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On August 21 2012 11:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I really liked Fate/ Stay Night, although I'm sure you could come up with several other better examples of men showing more strength than women in anime. After all, wasn't Gilgamesh's downfall his lust and unrequited love for Arturia/ Saber? And I think at the end, Shirō doesn't even get to be with her (I remember watching it and realizing that it wasn't a traditional happy ending and being so sad at first).
So I think this anime in particular was about men underestimating the strength of a woman.
yeah, Shirou never gets to be with her, but it's basically implied that she got to go to Avalon/ heaven in the end. Unfortunately, I don't have a wide range of anime experience to draw from so the only other examples of this I have are are from the occasional harem that by nature is male-focused. I do think it's significant, though, that Sabre eventually defeats Gilgamesh, thus proving herself able to claim a place above powerful men. That's a good point.
By the way, by male focused I mean that it's targeted towards males and the main character is supposed to be a type of alpha male.
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On August 21 2012 09:47 redoxx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 09:15 Xyik wrote:
Thats typical Japanese culture for you. Especially shounen series targeted towards young male viewers ... what more do you expect? I don't really see anything wrong with it in this context, when it comes to fighting and physical tasks males do often have an advantage. There are also many counter-examples where an anime series has strong female leads / characters and useless male characters. I agree that typically males are the fighters, who, because of their skills, should fight. What I'm trying to point out though, is that there are many examples of shows where the male refuses to let the female fight simply because she's female. This is with complete disregard to ability.
This doesn't just happen in Japanese media, though. It pervades many Western films/stories as well. I tried to get through Jim Butcher's Dresden Files the other day but plain couldn't stomach the POV character's sexism, which he (that is, the character) tries to pass off as "chivalry." :/
Incidentally, I do think FMA is one of those mangas that depicts female characters well, which I think is a byproduct of the mangaka being female ... despite my problems with that manga, I appreciate how it's more than "FEMALE CHARACTERS HAVE AGENCY," which I think would've cheapened it and turned it into little more than a "message fantasy." I like how Arakawa writes female characters who clearly act with agency (e.g. Olivier) but at the same time doesn't shy away from writing female characters who also ... well, very clearly don't have much a backbone and whose lives revolve around men (yes, I'm looking at you, Hawkeye) and then those who kind of sit in between (e.g. Winry). I find it hard to stomach both sides of the extreme: overt misogyny and sexism and ... overt empowerment stories. In the end, I just want to read stories about well-written characters who feel like real people.
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What? How come Hawkeye doesn't have a backbone when she goes on all the dangerous missions and fights in the Ishbal War while Winry "sits in between" even though the biggest role she plays in the series is a hostage so that the higher-ups can have Edward Elric cooperate with them?
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I knew someone would take this up with me, lol.
Hawkeye doesn't have a life outside of Roy. Quite literally. She's one of the best examples I can come up with of a woman who's "bad-ass" but mentally weak, someone's whose life revolves exclusively around One Man. I think her first anime incarnation is stronger than the manga/second anime version of her character.
Winry is a mixture of both. She is stronger than Hawkeye mentally -- she at least would not give up on life if Ed and Al kicked the bucket, though she'd obviously be distraught -- but she is obviously not as bad-ass, since she is physically weaker than Hawkeye and untrained to boot. I might gripe about her place in the story and her very stereotypical character as well as her very stereotypical role as a "healer," but she is portrayed well in terms of what the mangaka wanted to do with her, and despite all her weaknesses and shortcomings, she still finds a way to help the Elrics. (Once again, I prefer her first anime incarnation though.)
They are both pretty "ehhhh" examples of strong characters, tbf. One of the strongest characters (male and female) I can think of atm coming from Japan is probably someone like Yuna from FFX (ignoring FFX-2 even exists, that game is wtf like a giggly slumberparty ...).
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On August 21 2012 11:59 writer22816 wrote:
What? How come Hawkeye doesn't have a backbone when she goes on all the dangerous missions and fights in the Ishbal War while Winry "sits in between" even though the biggest role she plays in the series is a hostage so that the higher-ups can have Edward Elric cooperate with them?
If I remember correctly, in Brotherhood there's an episode that explains her backstory in which her dad inscribed some sort of fire alchemy rune thing into her back as a forced reminder that he controls her or something. This parallels her relationship with mustang (also a fire alchemist and student of her dad) where she is somewhat reliant on his approval. On many occasions she does save his life though, so it's not like she's completely weak.
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Oh yeah, redoxx, if you want a rec of a very good anime with well-written characters (female main character who is amazingly well-written), you should check out Seirei no Moribito. If you like that series, then you should check out Kemono no Souja (the story is written by the same author), which also has a pretty well-written female main character, though she might be a bit too Mary-Sue for some people's taste; I still find that I love the way she takes hold of her own life and displays a lot of agency despite all the shit that happens to her.
Moribito definitely though. I think you'd enjoy it. :D
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Korea/Japan are just way behind the West in terms of female empowerment. What they show in anime's is exaggerated of course but still I think it's basically accurate. I've talked to young women here whose life goals/dreams are to be good housewives. It's slowly changing but it's still more of a 1950's mentality towards marriage and gender roles.
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Are you complaining about females being portrayed as weak and needy (what you initially argue) or males being sexist and supporting the weak and needy stereotype (what your examples are)? The former is standard sexism you'll get in any medium or culture; the latter is actually an indication of poor writing of characters. Honestly, I can't think of a single show I enjoyed with male protagonist like that but probably plenty I enjoy that merely have stereotypical females, and I usually end up forgetting about those girls anyway cause boring. In the end, good writing will give you good stories and characters while bad writing will leech off tropes and stereotypes for as long as it can survive. Incidentally, Shirou the moralfag is a very hated character lol.
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On August 21 2012 12:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Korea/Japan are just way behind the West in terms of female empowerment. What they show in anime's is exaggerated of course but still I think it's basically accurate. I've talked to young women here whose life goals/dreams are to be good housewives. It's slowly changing but it's still more of a 1950's mentality towards marriage and gender roles.
Who's to say that's a bad thing? I actually prefer the girls in Japan more than Australian not because of their looks but because of their personalities. They aren't up themselves or feminist or think that everything deserves to be given to them on a silver plate.
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On August 21 2012 12:32 babylon wrote:
Oh yeah, redoxx, if you want a rec of a very good anime with well-written characters (female main character who is amazingly well-written), you should check out Seirei no Moribito. If you like that series, then you should check out Kemono no Souja (the story is written by the same author), which also has a pretty well-written female main character, though she might be a bit too Mary-Sue for some people's taste; I still find that I love the way she takes hold of her own life and displays a lot of agency despite all the shit that happens to her.
Moribito definitely though. I think you'd enjoy it. :D
I'm very interested in what you say not only in the full metal alchemist stuff but also about the female from seirei no moribito.
I wonder what you think about females such as Asuna from Sword Art Online.
I'm very interested in your opinion because this series portrays different type of women that can be connected to the common tropes but even though that happens I somehow feel attached to them. I don’t know if it’s the story or the situation they found themselves in but I get a different feeling from them compared to women from other series.
I know I might be biased because I liked this light novel very much. I’d recommend to anyone interested to read the first volume of Sword Art Online. As a bonus if you have ever played a mmo or mmorpg you are going to be delighted.
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online:Volume_1_Prologue
I’m pretty sure that if you find that interesting you are going to want to read more about Aincrad.
http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Sword_Art_Online
There’s enough information there so be my guest.
And Babylon if you have the time, I’d like to hear your thoughts about Asuna. There’s an anime adaptation but until now I haven’t enjoyed as much as the light novel.
It’s important to mention that I make no promises about the story outside of Aincrad but if it’s just the first volume: READ! DO IT!
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Sweden11767 Posts
The concept of men protecting women isn't always done in a downgrading fashion.
In the manga Higurashi When They Cry: Eye Opening Arc (Spoilering it because I don't know how much of a spoiler it is) + Show Spoiler +The way that Satoshi protects his little sister Satoko, it's done more like "Big brother protecting his weak little sister (because she is a weak character, not that she's a girl)" then "All women are weak and should be protected by males"
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^ It's definitely a lot more complicated than "men protect women, therefore implying all women are weak." Take a look at FF7; Aeris is pretty damn girly, needs to be protected by Cloud because she's a flower girl and can't defend herself, and yet manages to come off as a strong woman. I mean, in a lot of ways, she is stronger than Cloud and stronger than even her more martial counterpart Tifa, even if she can't do anything but doink people on the head with a staff for 11 damage. But mentally and personality-wise? She's come through so much adversity and toil whole and downright cheerful, with a ton of spirit, good-will, and idealism intact, willing to sacrifice herself for a cause she believes in. On the flip-side of that coin, Cloud is fucking shadow of a man and becomes even more of one as the game progresses (and then after the game too ...)
All this is just making me notice that for all of the Squeenix's propensity to run around putting women in skimpy outfits, they do occasionally write some good characters. >_>
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Last week on "Sword Art Online," one guy admitted to murdering his wife because she became more assertive.
All the character kinda seemed to just shrug and consider that a valid reason.
Anime isn't overtly sexist, but the most popular manga is shounen, and it gets written for young males. It is, at least to some degree, fantasy-stuff. It seeks to get people to live the adventure through the main character, which is of course easier if the character is the same sex.
There are plenty of good and strong female leads, like Ripley, but female characters are just more difficult to write.
The problem comes from society to a large degree. People often consider assertive women to be "bitchy," whereas an assertive male is and alpha-dog.
Poor writers often create these characters that are male in all ways, except for what is between their legs, which isn't much better than the submissive female character.
So yeah, it can be done, but it is more difficult and in some industries with a very specific demographic, it isn't profitable either.
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I forget but wasn't Shirou disgusted by the fact that because Briton at that time didn't have enough men to step up and become King, that they had to force this role onto Arturia?
Better stop there before I read too many spoilers.... man gotta finish F/Z sometime...
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I think it's jus the way the anime is setup, if we take Rin tosaka and Sakura Mato they are both really feminine in nature of course if there were in a situation which would bring them any harm . Shirou with his solid root of chivalry would gladly put his body for the beating than to see those who are weak in harm . I think any guy would not have chicken out when your girl friend is trouble or if a lady is in help ?.
Some times we read too much and I like to see it fate stay night as a anime which holds a lot of those traditional values etc honour,love,knight in shining armour and the list goes on.
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'Sexist' is a word people invented to demonize any revelation of the true evil....feminism. Wanting a better quality of life for women is not a bad idea but feminism takes it wayy too far. It it a truly destructive ideoligy.
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On August 21 2012 13:27 Sickkiee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 12:55 Scarecrow wrote:
Korea/Japan are just way behind the West in terms of female empowerment. What they show in anime's is exaggerated of course but still I think it's basically accurate. I've talked to young women here whose life goals/dreams are to be good housewives. It's slowly changing but it's still more of a 1950's mentality towards marriage and gender roles. Who's to say that's a bad thing? I actually prefer the girls in Japan more than Australian not because of their looks but because of their personalities. They aren't up themselves or feminist or think that everything deserves to be given to them on a silver plate.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just making an observation. Personally I find Korean girls are often more feminine and attractive than their aussie counterparts
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Turn on the TV, look at any tv show, there are always males protecting females in virtually every show, anime and manga aren't very different from it
there are ofcourse exceptions(like Buffy the Vampire Slayer) but look at other shows which have fantasy based stuff, ill just take vampires in this case, be it True Blood, The Vampire Diaries or hell even Twilight, Males protecting females.
its definitely not exlusive to Manga and Anime and not even limited to shows or concept written for the young male demographic(Twilight and TVD are for females aswell).
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http://bechdeltest.com/
A movie to pass this test must have:
1. It has to have at least two [named] women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man
Three very simple criteria which are very rarely met by most highly rated movies, and even some cases when they do it's pretty plausbiel (star trek passes it but the conversation takes place in their underwear while kirk is under the bed). The majority that do past the test generally seem to have relatively very brief and non important conversations.
It's not just anime/manga.
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On August 21 2012 20:43 SarR wrote:
'Sexist' is a word people invented to demonize any revelation of the true evil....feminism. Wanting a better quality of life for women is not a bad idea but feminism takes it wayy too far. It it a truly destructive ideoligy.
i think you are mistaken and just follow the stereotype. A feminist seeks (at least in switzerland don't know in other countries) equality (sure there are some crazy people and if conservatives talk about feminist, they always just look at them). It just has an unfortunate name that came up because man had/have more rights than women, so they called the movement "feminism". A real feminist women don't want men always to pay the bill, being called a lady or to be treated like a princess. Infact, they don't like "gentlemen" as it portrays the women as the weaker and "not able to do anything" gender. If you meet a women claiming to be a feminist but wants to keep the advantages of the "socially normal woman" than she isn't a real feminist.
As for the anime, i know exactly what you mean. I have given up some shows just because of that. It's a mix between really poor writing, using overused cliches and the culture in japan. I now just watch those animes, where such things don't get addressed.
Or just watch Black Lagoon, which i really really like in this aspect 
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Russian Federation748 Posts
Three very simple criteria which are very rarely met by most highly rated movies, and even some cases when they do it's pretty plausbiel (star trek passes it but the conversation takes place in their underwear while kirk is under the bed). The majority that do past the test generally seem to have relatively very brief and non important conversations.
It's not just anime/manga.
You mean the sole conversation between two women to be found in a series that must span hundreds of episodes (I reckon) happens in a fanservice scene ?
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On August 21 2012 21:59 Kyrillion wrote:Show nested quote +Three very simple criteria which are very rarely met by most highly rated movies, and even some cases when they do it's pretty plausbiel (star trek passes it but the conversation takes place in their underwear while kirk is under the bed). The majority that do past the test generally seem to have relatively very brief and non important conversations.
It's not just anime/manga. You mean the sole conversation between two women to be found in a series that must span hundreds of episodes (I reckon) happens in a fanservice scene ?
Star trek the recent movie, not the series..
It's a movie criteria, but you could extend it to series, I suppose.
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@ OP, you do know that the Fate anime series was originally designed to be Hentai right?
And then the producers went "Oh shit, this is actually a somewhat of a strong plot!" They didn't want to waste the animations on a hentai so they went less R.
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On August 21 2012 20:43 SarR wrote:
'Sexist' is a word people invented to demonize any revelation of the true evil....feminism. Wanting a better quality of life for women is not a bad idea but feminism takes it wayy too far. It it a truly destructive ideoligy.
And this is why a lot of people are afraid to "admit" that they are feminists these days. It's because people have started throwing it around like an insult and have forgotten that all feminism is is movement towards gender equality, which everyone should in their right minds support. There is absolutely nothing destructive about that. The guy on the previous page equating feminism with uppity women and women who want to everything handed to them on a silver platter is another good example of someone who has no idea what he's talking about.
On August 21 2012 17:06 zalz wrote:
Poor writers often create these characters that are male in all ways, except for what is between their legs, which isn't much better than the submissive female character.
There's a very difficult line to walk here. On the one hand, I think the best way to write female characters is to ... well, write them as people first and women second. (You know, just like how male characters are written.) I find that if you go the other way, sometimes there is too much emphasis on "LOOK LOOK LOOK I'M A WOMAN," which can be just as irritating.
On the other hand, of course, you run up against the issue where a character's sex will obviously affect how people interact with her and thus shape how she is characterized.
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Sweden11767 Posts
On August 21 2012 14:44 babylon wrote:
^ It's definitely a lot more complicated than "men protect women, therefore implying all women are weak." Take a look at FF7; Aeris is pretty damn girly, needs to be protected by Cloud because she's a flower girl and can't defend herself, and yet manages to come off as a strong woman. I mean, in a lot of ways, she is stronger than Cloud and stronger than even her more martial counterpart Tifa, even if she can't do anything but doink people on the head with a staff for 11 damage. But mentally and personality-wise? She's come through so much adversity and toil whole and downright cheerful, with a ton of spirit, good-will, and idealism intact, willing to sacrifice herself for a cause she believes in. On the flip-side of that coin, Cloud is fucking shadow of a man and becomes even more of one as the game progresses (and then after the game too ...)
All this is just making me notice that for all of the Squeenix's propensity to run around putting women in skimpy outfits, they do occasionally write some good characters. >_>
True, you really need to look at more factors then just the "Male protecting women part". I haven't played FF7, but I understand what you're trying to say. There is fan service in Higurashi as well, but then it's (mostly) done in a humoristic context that fits the story and isn't there just because.
In Robin Hobb's Dragon Keeper, the reason why the male captain Leftrin protects Alise is because Alise has very little experience of being on a ship, not that Hobb wanna downgrade women on ships in general.
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Robin Hobb being a woman means that you're not going to see male dominance like in the generally male dominated movie/anime/manga scene.
Thinking about it now the way Aerith is sort of a compelling leader but in no way a "bitch" or "ball-buster" (it makes me feel uncomfortable thinking about using those words to describe her LOL) was done really, really well actually. Cloud feels like the more rigid one but they are both equally unbending.
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I was actually reading Hobb earlier today. What a coincidence that she's mentioned. XD I'm still making my way through the Farseer trilogy, so I can't say anything about her other books, but she seems to write well-balanced characters (female, male, and everything in-between). I've heard some conflicting reports of homophobia in her novels though, or at least a tendency towards homophobic characters and a negative portrayal of homosexuality (though whether because of her own opinions or because of the world she created, I can't say) -- which is strange because I hear a lot of praise for her creation of what seems to be a genderqueer character (the Fool) at the same time.
Guy Gavriel Kay is another fantasy writer (though male) who writes interesting female characters. He's primarily historical fantasy, so his societies are generally male-dominated, but at the same time, his women often manage to attain power/purpose through the avenues that are open to them. Still, his attitude's hard to read in the books sometimes; on one hand, some of the ways he treats women is infuriating (like in Hobb's situation, I cannot discern if this is because of his setting or because of his actual attitude), but on the other, the way he writes women within his societies is very compelling and well-done. Then you have A Song for Arbonne, which is kind of a clusterfuck I can't figure out at all. :/
I wish Aeris got more screentime before she kicked the bucket. Though I agree that they're both unyielding, Cloud strikes me as far more brittle of a character -- one good blow, and he's done for -- while Aeris is resilient. For instance, it's not like she moped around after Zack never came back. Meanwhile, Cloud just goes nuts, cries and angsts for ages, then angsts some more even after the game ends. =_=
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Sweden11767 Posts
On August 22 2012 09:49 babylon wrote:
I've heard some conflicting reports of homophobia in her novels though, or at least a tendency towards homophobic characters and a negative portrayal of homosexuality (though whether because of her own opinions or because of the world she created, I can't say) -
Spoiler on Dragon Keeper and Dragon Haven.
IMO, It's more like
+ Show Spoiler +This is a big spoiler on both the books + Show Spoiler +In the society in which the books take place, homosexuality is taboo.
One example of this is Alise's husband Hest and their friend male Sedric is in love with each other and when Alise discovers that and the fact that Hest doesn't really love her, it's more like she feels very disappointed over that she was cheated on. Then Alise made a comment something like "Hest couldn't marry that person he loves the most" (I don't remember exactly how it was)
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