EPTWhy didn't you stop it... - Page 2
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Blade Fox
United States215 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
You guys had no clue how it was in the very first TSL and the subsequent TSL2, there was a fancy intro with a Star Rising up and that was it! TL don't own you anything. If you don't like it, you know where to find the compulsory evacuation door. | ||
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MaxwellE
England229 Posts
I have no idea why they scrapped the qualification- interviews. That's what really made TSL3 special in my eyes, not the famous players or quality of games even.(Though Naniwa v Thorzain is one the most memorable series to date). Another thing, the amount of tournaments is overwhelming at this point, so I don't really like the fact that RO32 was BO5 and RO8 was BO7. I would have let it go as BO3 until RO8, where it would be BO5 and then BO7 in the finals. TSL4 is set up in a way that allows players a week to plan for their matches, but planning for a BO7 is much harder than a BO5 which means you get a lot more "I will just play my standard macro game" sort of games. I understand more games means the better player advances most of the time, but it makes it less exciting I think. Smaller series would give the unknown players an advantage, as they could analyse the famous people to bits and exploit their weaknesses without them having time to adapt as easily. There's been a ton of delays and technical problems that haven't helped either of course, but I can sort of forgive those. The biggest problem is still the lack of marketing on TL's part, which is where it gets a bit weird for me. TL can't exactly plaster it's entire website with TSL4 content while neglecting other tournaments/news, if it wishes to stay impartial and not piss the other organizations off. Maybe they decided to stay low key this time around to maintain their objectivity? | ||
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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Cwall
United States64 Posts
excellent compelling radiant | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
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Edahspmal
United States156 Posts
The delays EVERY time were also really annoying. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
I would advise you to tone down the aggression if you want to convince people that you are right or that your point is accurate. It's alright to be pissed, but when you share that with the people whose opinions you are trying to sway, they get pissed off too and become defensive of their views, if not aggressive themselves. It's basically the same obstinancy you got when you were a kid in an argument, except we, as adults, often disguise it by using reasoning to justify our position. Of course, that doesn't really make that obstinancy any less potent a force in debates. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
The one thing I'd agree on is that TSL4 somehow lacks the magic of previous TSL's. I'm not sure whether it's oversaturation, too many koreans, a lack of big names etc. It's also hard to get invested in the players/story-lines without recommended sets/games. With the amount of content out there it's hard to find the time to sit down and go through multiple Bo5's between little known players. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On August 20 2012 09:13 taLbuk wrote: do you sit on /v/ scouting for people posting things on TL? It's pretty obvious when even the title is a reference. And the OP's name. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
TSL hasn't been as hyped up or impressive as it has in previous years. hm. The LRs are truly paragons of great posting however  | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On August 20 2012 13:14 Aerisky wrote: While the OP is ridiculously negative and overwhelmingly aggressive. I would say he has a dark and edgy personality. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
I suggest you follow the highest level play instead of just emotionally connecting with certain foreigners and then whining when they aren't placing highly in the leagues you're emotionally attached to. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
The oversaturation with tournaments is definitely they major reason for this, but in my opinion TSL3 also had one big advantage, great story lines. Naniwa and Thorzain making it to the finals, HasuObs playing great, GoOdy beating NesTea and many more. The point is, I still remember all those things, but don't even know 100% sure right now who is still left in TSL4. On August 20 2012 14:01 Luepert wrote: Personally if the best players winning isn't interesting enough a story line for you I don't think you should be watching pro starcraft. Yes it's a "sport," but it is not meant for entertainment. Pro Starcraft two should be about competition. If the underdogs make comeback wins and run you can follow like Thorzain vs MC and stuff, great. But should we rig our tournaments to make them more "exciting?" Of course not. "Korean#385 vs Korean #176" is really a bad way to look at it. Just because they aren't white or on a foreign team doesn't mean they are uninteresting. Or at least it shouldn't. I try to look at the game as pure representations of skill in Stacraft. So to me, a Life/Creator final is more interesting that Naniwa/Thorzain because the play is just on such a higher level. I suggest you follow the highest level play instead of just emotionally connecting with certain foreigners and then whining when they aren't placing highly in the leagues you're emotionally attached to. Just read your post and even though there are definitely people like you that only care for the best players, this isn't the fact for all fans. Just ask yourself why a lot of the foreigners are so popular, many of which being worse than even the mid level koreans. People want to get personally involved with the players and cheer for them, because having a favourite adds just so much excitment. I'm not saying you can't be a fan of a Korean player by the way, I'm cheering for quite a few and some up and coming, not to well known talent is actually good for a tournament. The sheer amount of very strong but not very well known Koreans is what is hurting TSL4 a bit in my opinion. Also I don't think your right about Sc2 not beeing meant for entertainment. In fact every professional sport is part of the entertainment business. Showing the best games/players helps of course (e.g. the NBA), but having players/superstars with a lot of personality also is a major factor (also e.g. the NBA). edit #2: For my loss I somehow missed my 1111th post 8[ | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51448 Posts
I mean, NesTea & MVP did not even attempt to qualify (NesTea was on TSL Korean qualifier 1 i beleive that's it) biggest korean names who tried to qualify, qualified. Taeja/Creator/Curious/Squirtle, and they are not that hugely followed, and they went out relatively quickly. Likes of MarineKing tried to qualify 2-3 times but it was at the start of the latest patch when most korean Terrans where having a terrible time vs Zergs and MKP was going out to most of the Zergs every time. I think they just should of stuck to TSL 3 plan and invited 24 players and did less qualifier tournaments for the other 8 or even just invite 32 players! It's very sad as i think the prize money for this tournament is actually huge considering it's a straight 32 man tournament single elimination. $15,000 for first place is a great prize, but it's going to go to a medicore Korean player in Keen/Creator  which i guess i should'nt put down to much as they are going to win a tournament which is no easy feat (creator also not losing a game so far) I don't think it's not very big because of there is "so many other tournaments" i mean they did that well, they knocked it back a day if IEM was going to clash etc or when IPL was clashing so it was run properly that way, but i just think it was the player personalities that qualified which cost TSL the viewers it deserves really with the prize money it has. Sad times You live and learn though | ||
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VidyaYuropa
87 Posts
On August 20 2012 14:01 Luepert wrote: I suggest you follow the highest level play instead of just emotionally connecting with certain foreigners and then whining when they aren't placing highly in the leagues you're emotionally attached to. I am not emotionally attached to any foreigners at all. To be honest, the only tournament i actually follow very closely, is the GSL. I also dont know where you found me saying "no foreigners, no interest". If you ask me, the best player should always win and the best players also give the most interesting games. I am just saying that the foreign community in total, does not know all the non-GSL Koreans, just like the for the Koreans an IEM turns quickly into a Whitey#124 vs MVP. TSL4 is catering to the foreign (NA and EU) scene mainly, so they should introduce the players correctly, so we see faces instead of just korean clantags. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
2. Koreans winning - Maybe Teamliquid should handycap them from winning, so we have more foreigner storylines , yeah let them play at 70% health... | ||
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Tauchsieder
Germany9 Posts
On August 20 2012 20:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote: 1. There are too many good quality tournaments - I dont even ... 2. Koreans winning - Maybe Teamliquid should handycap them from winning, so we have more foreigner storylines , yeah let them play at 70% health... I can't even express how much I hope that you are joking with your second point. On topic: Sadly enough there are too many people that judge player by their character istead of their merit. I rather watch a game on the highest level possible, than watching two foreigner on a "lower" level. | ||
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