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On August 20 2012 21:24 Tauchsieder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 20:54 Kleinmuuhg wrote: 1. There are too many good quality tournaments - I dont even ... 2. Koreans winning - Maybe Teamliquid should handycap them from winning, so we have more foreigner storylines , yeah let them play at 70% health... I can't even express how much I hope that you are joking with your second point.
No I'm serious. I also think they shouldnt have Korean qualifiers but only invite some Code A players so the North American players have a chance.
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On August 20 2012 18:11 Pandemona wrote:It's very sad as i think the prize money for this tournament is actually huge considering it's a straight 32 man tournament single elimination. $15,000 for first place is a great prize, but it's going to go to a medicore Korean player in Keen/Creator which i guess i should'nt put down to much as they are going to win a tournament which is no easy feat (creator also not losing a game so far) )
Creator is everything else than mediocre. Easily one of the best protoss around.
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On August 20 2012 13:51 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:14 Aerisky wrote: While the OP is ridiculously negative and overwhelmingly aggressive. I would say he has a dark and edgy personality. 2deep4u?
On August 20 2012 08:55 mewbert wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:53 MahE wrote: thing about TSL4 is the really shitty production value
TSL3 felt a lot better.
The casters need better microphones, there needs to be better music, better transitions, more hype. Only casters who aren't useless are DjWheat and Apollo, but the former knows nothing about the game and the latter is being paired with the wrong person to do well. get out of the thread mahe I agree mostly but you should tone down on the agressiveness if you want to be taken more seriously, I agree that MLG really lost its status as one of the best tournaments when it kept creating these sub par arenas as cash grabs, I cant really watch anything but the GSL with the over saturation of tournaments these days.
Funny coming from you mewbert, seeing how adam flamed incontrol and then got told hard.
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MLG is like every 1-2 months, has 3 streams going at the same time, means on a day you have 100games played. How is there any time to build up tension or a storyline? There isn't. Everything gets boring really fast. I only care about the semi's and the final anymore. And that's only the real MLG not those uninteresting arenas.
Maybe I'm not enough of a hardcore fan anymore, but I suddenly realised I don't even know which korean terran won IEM yesterday, just because it's not interesting to me.
But perhaps I'm just the only one feeling like this and it's good that there are GSL/MLG/IGN/NASL/IEM/WCS/Invitationals/Dailies/Showmatches going on all day, everyday.
But this results in me not caring for TSL4 at all.
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I think problem is big names dont want to qualify anymore. They think they deserve the invites.
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On August 21 2012 00:35 JimSocks wrote: I think problem is big names dont want to qualify anymore. They think they deserve the invites.
I'd say rather that it is usually too hard to qualify, since there are so many players without big names yet still at the grand master level that participate in the TSL qualifiers, which is exactly what I believe TL wants.
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5 star 10/10 A++++ would read again
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When TSL4 was announced, or people made suggestions about it, I spoke up that I didn't consider TSL3 is great tournament. You can see my posts about TSL4 here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=tsl3&t=c&f=-1&u=azzur&gb=date&d=
People have rose tinted glasses, or more specifically, the lens in which they view things is warped. TSL3 was universally great from the TL perspective because people were entertained by the "wow factor" of foreigners vs koreans, storylines or "interesting finals".
In reality, none of it should be as important as tournament integrity and prestige - where the tournament organisers put out a tournament, gives the players excellent conditions and asks them to perform. If it leads to amazing games, that is great, but the chase for "amazing games" should not come at the expense of the tournament integrity.
After TSL3, I saw a host of ridiculous arguments where some people claimed that the TSL3 format led to interesting games rather than the "luck of the draw". The same people were calling out the GSL saying it led to boring finals when in reality the formats at the time were quite identical.
Imagine the 2011 Blizzard Cup final had ended in a 4-0 victory to MMA in the finals - people would criticise the tournament; Instead, the 4-3 result (w.ith an amazing game 7) led to many people cheering. In reality, the only difference in the 2 scenarios is luck.
In my opinion, TSL4 is a superior tournament to TSL3 because it has a more extensive qualifers (much less invites). It also has a good mixture of regions (e.g. koreans vs foreigners). I remember even reading a blog post where someone suggested that the brackets should be "fixed" so that "more interesting games" will occur. I lol'ed at that blog post.
Thus, many foreign fans like gimmicky things in tournaments - flashy production, amazing storylines, etc, but in reality, what should be number 1 importance is the integrity and strength of the tournament. TSL4 being a online tournament means that it's prestige suffers - it's a good tournament, but not as good as others.
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