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Nymphaceae
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States350 Posts
August 19 2012 19:10 GMT
#41
On August 20 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote:
I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait....

So true.

I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad.

The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad.

I have 2 things to discuss.
1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning:
When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say.

Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect?

*FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody.


2- When the word transcends racism:
Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck?

It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless.

IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people.

Quotes:
-"He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA
>Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind.

When asked whether he liked Canadians:
"I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA
>That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced.


+ Show Spoiler +


1:43 and up



I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine?

Which is worse?
1- Black people in general seem a little bit off!
2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog!


I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all.



So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world.


Even though Idra is BM, he's more of an entertainer. He's not a caster. I have a strong feeling that Idra would have problems getting a casting job.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#42
On August 20 2012 04:10 Nymphaceae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:
On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote:
I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait....

So true.

I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad.

The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad.

I have 2 things to discuss.
1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning:
When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say.

Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect?

*FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody.


2- When the word transcends racism:
Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck?

It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless.

IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people.

Quotes:
-"He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA
>Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind.

When asked whether he liked Canadians:
"I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA
>That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced.


+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsKo-ytaVAQ
1:43 and up



I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine?

Which is worse?
1- Black people in general seem a little bit off!
2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog!


I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all.



So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world.


Even though Idra is BM, he's more of an entertainer. He's not a caster. I have a strong feeling that Idra would have problems getting a casting job.

Sure but Orb's position as a caster rather than a player didn't really change the kind of sanctions he was exposed to. His "rank" in EG however most likely made him more "fire-able" since IdrA's high profile and Orb wasn't. Regardless there's no reason to fire IdrA because people don't care about his use of "gay" and "faggot" and people don't care about racism toward French Canadians.

Nobody's going to to contact EG's sponsors about IdrA's rant against 4 millions of people they don't give a fuck about.
*And that's fine, but it shows the double standard.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
August 19 2012 19:33 GMT
#43
Can't you guys just not be jerks for a second? 3 pages that between them break just about every single TL Commandment. You also dragged IdrA into this where he has absolutely no place and you got him in here just to shit on his name. Very funny.

Maybe Orb does deserve a second chance, because compared to most people, or at least most people in this thread, I bet he's more mannered, and his commentary wasn't as bad as most casters'.
Religion: Buckethead
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 19 2012 19:45 GMT
#44
On August 20 2012 04:33 Incze wrote:
Can't you guys just not be jerks for a second? 3 pages that between them break just about every single TL Commandment. You also dragged IdrA into this where he has absolutely no place and you got him in here just to shit on his name. Very funny.

Maybe Orb does deserve a second chance, because compared to most people, or at least most people in this thread, I bet he's more mannered, and his commentary wasn't as bad as most casters'.

IdrA wasn't dragged in here, the comparison is very relevant because he's had some bad comments and is part of EG, the team which fired Orb. It's not a random player being tossed in there.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
August 19 2012 20:00 GMT
#45
He didn't deserve to get fucked like that in the first place but what are you going to do.
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
August 19 2012 20:16 GMT
#46
I actually really like orb. He seems as if he's hard working, motivated and knowlegdable. And a nice guy... I really don't care what someone said in a ladder game...
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
August 19 2012 21:16 GMT
#47
its human psychology

even great people dont get second chances

we sense weakness and consume

bill clinton never got a second chance

oj simpson did tho

perhaps my logic is wrong

damn it oj
So? My dad can beat up your dad. - Jesus
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
August 19 2012 22:01 GMT
#48
On August 20 2012 06:16 MrRicewife wrote:
its human psychology

even great people dont get second chances

we sense weakness and consume

bill clinton never got a second chance

oj simpson did tho

perhaps my logic is wrong

damn it oj

Your logic is sound, you did say "great people".
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
August 19 2012 22:10 GMT
#49
He's not really... gone. He still hosts ESV Korean Weekly all the time.

But uh, yeah, he didn't abide by the first rule of being a quasi-famous personality; which is not to ever fuck up in the public eye.

He's not a bad guy at all, it's too bad that he did what he did and lost his chance to cast for EG.
Axeltl
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland48 Posts
August 20 2012 17:24 GMT
#50
He's truly dedicated to casting and knows what he is doing. We all make mistakes, even if some should be taken more seriously than others... I'd definetly want him to be given another chance. I might even boicott some sponsors if he isnt reinstalled . See, the blade has two edges!


- Axel "Agnosticcube" Teirfolk
The day you can debate balance, is the day when you dont make any mistakes.
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
August 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#51
I don't think anyone really cares much about that other than people who actually have a hate on for orb. This is really old news and people have short memories. I'm sure 50% of the people who were calling him out and condemning his acts have done the same thing themselves.

The severity of the sentence doesn't match that of the crime. It's not like he was hacking, ripping people off, or match fixing. He dropped a bunch of N-bombs. That's a forgivable mistake as long as he knows what he did is wrong and doesn't really harbour any of those feelings. As long as he doesn't keep doing it there's no harm. To be quite honest, as I said before, I don't think anyone really cares anymore.

That being said there's a lot of places that won't ever employ him because they don't want that associated with them. That's just the reality of the situation and nothings going to change that.
Random player, pixel enthusiast, crappy illustrator, offlane/support
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
August 20 2012 19:11 GMT
#52
He should get a second chance, the incident was blown way out of proportion imo.
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 20 2012 19:12 GMT
#53
On August 20 2012 01:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
I thought orb already casted the hybrid proleague in english.

jk jk I <3 you sayle.


dang, you beat me to it!
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SniperVul5
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada166 Posts
August 20 2012 20:51 GMT
#54
There are plenty of other casters to (or willing to) take his place. Why is this even threadworthy?
Ig
Profile Joined January 2011
United States417 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-20 23:10:02
August 20 2012 23:05 GMT
#55
I liked Orb until I realized how bigoted he could be if you just wanted to point out mistakes, like you don't even have to be "trolling" by any definitions to get banned or talked over. Its a shame because he is a great caster and seems to be a nice guy to viewers that never make any kind of critiques.

That said, the guy's had plenty of chances and didn't even handle the "crisis" well. Instead of owning up to it and apologizing he said (and I presume still does) it was a friend on his account and made that his official story.
E-warrior of the China brigade, 50 cent party member.
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
August 20 2012 23:06 GMT
#56
On August 21 2012 04:12 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
I thought orb already casted the hybrid proleague in english.

jk jk I <3 you sayle.


dang, you beat me to it!

My mind is still blown at how much they sound alike. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but then boom.

My opinion means very little but I think he does deserve a second chance. Perhaps he's not ready yet but we all grow up from these kinds of things >.<
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