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Hello everyone I am a long time fan of brood war , now watching starcraft 2 .
One of the commentators that got my attention was Orb .
I watch him every time I am on teamliquid , which is at least 2 or 3 times per week .
I only watch esl tv when he casts .
After a while I realized that giving the high quality of his commentaries he has a very low
number of viewers .
Then through the thread in liquid i found out about what he did while he was laddering .
I also heard him comment about the subject several times during his streaming .
And today something happened : while he was laddering on his orb account at around 11:30 AM GMT+2 time, some jack ass in the ladder taunted him in the game chat : "say the word n***** ".
And even though orb was obviously affected , all he did was kept his cool , won the game through a failed cheese of his opponent , and made no comments .
I know what he did back then was wrong , he knows it's wrong , and today, to me, he proved that he deserves a second chance .
I hope this helps him even if it's just by a little bit .
 
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On August 19 2012 17:55 baiesradu wrote:
Hello everyone I am a long time fan of brood war , now watching starcraft 2 .
One of the commentators that got my attention was Orb .
I watch him every time I am on teamliquid , which is at least 2 or 3 times per week .
I only watch esl tv when he casts .
After a while I realized that giving the high quality of his commentaries he has a very low
number of viewers .
Then through the thread in liquid i found out about what he did while he was laddering .
I also heard him comment about the subject several times during his streaming .
And today something happened : while he was laddering on his orb account at around 11:30 AM GMT+2 time, some jack ass in the ladder taunted him in the game chat : "say the word n***** ".
And even though orb was obviously affected , all he did was kept his cool , won the game through a failed cheese of his opponent , and made no comments .
I know what he did back then was wrong , he knows it's wrong , and today, to me, he proved that he deserves a second chance .
I hope this helps him even if it's just by a little bit .
Sadly his reputation was crushed into the ground. The community loves to find drama and he was attacked by most of the community so people aren't willing to forgive/forget, maybe in a year or 2 he will be able to work his way back up to getting some major casting jobs I only hope I am proved wrong.
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On August 19 2012 18:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Sadly his reputation was crushed into the ground. The community loves to find drama and he was attacked by most of the community so people aren't willing to forgive/forget, maybe in a year or 2 he will be able to work his way back up to getting some major casting jobs I only hope I am proved wrong.
Basically this, he was witch hunted into the ground for a small mistake and now people don't want to watch him anymore because of it. Even if he tries to do better now and actually does an excellent job of casting or playing people won't like him until the incident is a distant memory.
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I don't think he does, he is still at it.
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I couldn't care less that he said nigger. It's more that he's personally been a dick to me, and tons of other people across forums and ladder games. Why give him a 2nd chance?
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It's still kinda nonsense that it went down as hard as it did in the first place. If orb is mentioned in a reddit thread, to this day, people will still bully him with references to that whole ordeal. I mean, he made mistakes, both in the initial situation and how he responded to it, but the punishment and bullying from the community did not fit the crime. He was crucified tenfold for the mistakes he made, because the internet (both reddit and the teamliquid forums alike) fuels the internet hate train.
I'm all for second chances, but I fear the internet as a whole isn't. I'm not sure it's something he'll ever hear the end of. Even if he perseveres for years, the internet doesn't easily forgive. I applaud him for not giving up as it is- that's something I wouldn't have the courage to do. I just wonder what such courage is worth to most people.
Not trying to white knight by saying that, people are entitled to their opinions, but it's plain as day that some people took their hatred for him too far. Instead of observing the situation and applying some critical thinking, a lot of (not all) people decided their pitchforks were best used to make memes to bully him, to shit on his reputation for their own fun, acting more childish in their criticism than he himself was in his mistakes. I myself am not his biggest fan, but nobody deserves the treatment he got.
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i think orb was pretty much non-existent in the TL community before the drama. I mean, i never even heard of him until that thread about him using the n-word. Now almost everyone knows him. If anything, the drama probably helped him raise viewer numbers.
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Maybe he does deserve a second chance but honestly I didnt like the guy at all, and I wouldnt mind if he stays away from the community forever.
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On August 19 2012 19:53 Cubu wrote:
i think orb was pretty much non-existent in the TL community before the drama. I mean, i never even heard of him until that thread about him using the n-word. Now almost everyone knows him. If anything, the drama probably helped him raise viewer numbers.
Orb streamed early in the beta at a fairly decent level. Streaming had not yet became the sensation it is today. Because of this, and his popularity he was invited to the HDH invitational where Idra embarrassed him quickly in two games. Orb was popular long before his EG drama.
After clarifying this I would like to agree with some other posters. Having encountered him on a ladder a few times, win or lose the guy's a dick. Either "no skill cheese noob" or "no skill noob strat loses" type of comments.
He's still a decent caster and I don't mind listening to him at all. But he doesn't deserve anything.
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On August 19 2012 17:55 baiesradu wrote:
Hello everyone I am a long time fan of brood war , now watching starcraft 2 .
One of the commentators that got my attention was Orb .
I watch him every time I am on teamliquid , which is at least 2 or 3 times per week .
I only watch esl tv when he casts .
After a while I realized that giving the high quality of his commentaries he has a very low
number of viewers .
Then through the thread in liquid i found out about what he did while he was laddering .
I also heard him comment about the subject several times during his streaming .
And today something happened : while he was laddering on his orb account at around 11:30 AM GMT+2 time, some jack ass in the ladder taunted him in the game chat : "say the word n***** ".
And even though orb was obviously affected , all he did was kept his cool , won the game through a failed cheese of his opponent , and made no comments .
I know what he did back then was wrong , he knows it's wrong , and today, to me, he proved that he deserves a second chance .
I hope this helps him even if it's just by a little bit .
I've watched his stream a few times, but it really doesn't appeal to me. The level of play on his stream is decent, but not particularly high and the actual game analysis is limited while in game. He'll also occasionally rage or go into some annoying rant which doesn't really entertain me. As a streamer, he's still just an immature kid for the most part who has only learned not to be taunted into saying certain words. Not really worth watching.
As a caster, he does seem to "get it" and act professional. I do enjoy his casts and hope that the medium-sized organizations don't shy away from him for their casts. His casts are still a little dry (and could use a quality sidekick), but he is definitely better than the other non-premium casters out there that I've seen.
I personally didn't demonize him for what he did during the incident since I understood it for what it was... just an immature kid raging. He got hit harder by the community than he deserved and will have to work hard for years to get past it (and will still get the memes forever). Still, none of that is really relevent to why I don't watch him stream as noted above.
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I see a lot of people talking about orb's reputation, but almost none of it has to do with his casting.
To all those people that say orb should not be given a second chance due to his indiscresions on ladder, think about what you are saying for a moment. You cannot and should not judge a person by their moments of weakness, just because a person swears and does heinous things on ladder does not make him a bad person. I mean, I don't know if you guys were around in BW, but Artosis was one of the most BM players on this side of the Pacific. Yet it seems like everybody adores him, even though on stream and ladder he seems to be vulgar as well. (obviously not as bm orb was, but he's still very passive-agressive) You simply cannot judge somebody on how they behave on their private stream. (and honestly, orb has acted a lot better as of late)
Obviously, I don't know why orb is/was so bm, (perhaps some personal issues, etc) but what I do know is his casting is top notch, and if we're gonna let people like Artosis and Idra cast and adore them, then certainly orb deserves a second chance as well.
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While the technicality of what he did was what really shoved his reputation into the ground he was also known for just having a poor attitude and personality. Ever since beta all he did was rage at people and call them much more then n*****.
I just do not think he deserves a second chance considering the length of time these actions occurred, and if anything he already had many chances.
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It´s not just about the nigger, it was also that he was such a dick
Orb failed on the corporate side by racist remarks
Orb failed community wise by being a pretentious little prick
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orb always was a dick. this stupid thing just made evryone that was annoyed by him before go apeshit on him.
also 1 post and romania -_-'
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On August 19 2012 20:19 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 19:53 Cubu wrote:
i think orb was pretty much non-existent in the TL community before the drama. I mean, i never even heard of him until that thread about him using the n-word. Now almost everyone knows him. If anything, the drama probably helped him raise viewer numbers. Orb streamed early in the beta at a fairly decent level. Streaming had not yet became the sensation it is today. Because of this, and his popularity he was invited to the HDH invitational where Idra embarrassed him quickly in two games. Orb was popular long before his EG drama. After clarifying this I would like to agree with some other posters. Having encountered him on a ladder a few times, win or lose the guy's a dick. Either "no skill cheese noob" or "no skill noob strat loses" type of comments. He's still a decent caster and I don't mind listening to him at all. But he doesn't deserve anything.
gee, i'm not too sure about that. He isn't even that good at sc2 and his casting is rather mediocre (doesn't have the skills to be an analytical caster, nor the personality to be the fun fun caster).
Edit: from what catz has said, he "doesn't have a huge following".
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I do have to say he sort of had an unique quirkyness/personality and could easily (if he wasn´t such a dick and did those stupid things) went on to become a major caster.
He was gaining a lot of traction due to ESV and NASL (Think he was casting both, or was it just ESV?) but then just blew it all with the most childish posts about how ''it was his friend playing''. His reaction to the whole ordeal cost him the community vote.
I mean he was in the EG house for godsake, but he threw away an opportunity of a lifetime and that´s his loss and he is the only one to blame.
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If the community gave LastShadow a second chance I think they'll be able to give Orb one eventually.
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He could grow a beard, change his name to Orbit, and I would gamble most of the people hating on him during the controversy wouldn't remember who he is.
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We can get technical and talk about how he ladder rages, or we can lament about how we saw him laddering and his opponent taunted him. The truth of the matter is he has the most unique case of a tarnished reputation, but no one knows him as a bigot or racist, just that guy the community witch hunted for no reason at the beginning(fake picture) and then they found a reason(found a real replay) and EG had to maintain their rep.
If he wants to, he can still cast, not neccesarily make it big. As far as I hear, that's what he's doing.
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stream barely working on 240p for me; might be my internet though
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Orb was already given a second chance: his stream was taken off the featured list following the nigger uproar and now he's back on the featured streams list.
I don't watch him because his casting sucks, not because of any personal vendetta.
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I really don't think he should because he still says things like this on his stream, and also hes been given more then one chance already and honestly. No one will want to hire him (unless desperate) because of his past.
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I don't think orb is affected by randoms hate. He's a good caster and if you can't look past some stupid drama and enjoy high level Korean games then it's your loss.
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On August 19 2012 19:53 Cubu wrote:
i think orb was pretty much non-existent in the TL community before the drama. I mean, i never even heard of him until that thread about him using the n-word. Now almost everyone knows him. If anything, the drama probably helped him raise viewer numbers.
He lost a full time job because of it. It didn't help him.
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he was literally picked up by EG as their official caster days before the stuipid drama happened. If Cubu had never heard of him he must not have been following that closely because EG even posted video introducing orb which pretty much everyone saw and was talking about.
The caster EG got after orb I don't really like at all, azeal or something is his name? he's not nearly as good in my opinion.
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On August 19 2012 21:32 Sinensis wrote:
He could grow a beard, change his name to Orbit, and I would gamble most of the people hating on him during the controversy wouldn't remember who he is.
Or he could find his inner Artosis or IdrA and become an idol in HotS. As for me, i watch ESV TV regularly and i find his casting pretty bad, and this element will be the only thing i'll think about next time i wonder whether or not to open his stream.
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He's just generally a dickish person in general. A saying in English is, "Character is what you do when no one's looking." And Orb honestly behaves quite poorly when he thinks no one is looking. I know people like to say that it's just BM on the ladder, but since it's not teasing BM (like just messing around) but hurtful instead, I think it's pretty indicative of who he actually is as a person. I think he'll rise up again but it will be slow, people will forget about his mistakes in time, the real question is whether he will continue to be an asshole or if he will grow up.
That being said, I don't really care that he is an asshole, I would still watch him if he was a good caster. I personally don't like his casting or his voice, so I don't really watch him that much anyway. Before the drama, people still complained a lot about his casting and I don't think he will ever be one of the casting "superstars" that we have like Tastosis and Day9.
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On August 19 2012 18:40 LucidityDark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 18:22 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Sadly his reputation was crushed into the ground. The community loves to find drama and he was attacked by most of the community so people aren't willing to forgive/forget, maybe in a year or 2 he will be able to work his way back up to getting some major casting jobs I only hope I am proved wrong. Basically this, he was witch hunted into the ground for a small mistake and now people don't want to watch him anymore because of it. Even if he tries to do better now and actually does an excellent job of casting or playing people won't like him until the incident is a distant memory.
You say that like he only did it one time, but iirc he made racist comments and was a dick to people in general on the ladder since he streamed during beta. This had been going on for a very long time, over two years, before the community finally said enough is enough. Hes had second, third, fourth, and fifth chances but hes blown them all.
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I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait....
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I like orbs casting and I don't think saying nigger on the internet once in a moment of frustration makes you a racist. If someone 6pools you and you think/ call them a faggot are you talking about gay people? I don't think so, words just portray an idea and on the internet or in certain contexts those meanings can change, I am pretty sure race was not even on his mind when he said that.
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I thought orb already casted the hybrid proleague in english.
jk jk I <3 you sayle.
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On August 20 2012 01:43 hugitout wrote:
I like orbs casting and I don't think saying nigger on the internet once in a moment of frustration makes you a racist. If someone 6pools you and you think/ call them a faggot are you talking about gay people? I don't think so, words just portray an idea and on the internet or in certain contexts those meanings can change, I am pretty sure race was not even on his mind when he said that.
I think this is true as well. I feel a lot of players (and forum posters) don't have enough vocabulary at the moment to insult someone so they just yell these words. Talking about the past (orb firing) is pointless here, just keep watching orb if you want to see him succeed.. or fail
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It kind of makes me wonder why he would use such a word. I mean out of all the words he could come up with, why did it have to be that one? It can't be that hard to just go on to the next game. If he doesn't know how to ignore some one, then he shouldn't be a caster IMO.
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his casting is really good, I do hope he finds another team to cast for.
It would be a waste of talent if he just fail here.
Not just a loss for him, but also to those who enjoy good castors.
I think for the current sc2 scene, we really do need more GOOD castors and Orb is totally one of the best ones out there
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On August 20 2012 02:20 ETisME wrote:
his casting is really good, I do hope he finds another team to cast for.
It would be a waste of talent if he just fail here.
Not just a loss for him, but also to those who enjoy good castors.
I think for the current sc2 scene, we really do need more GOOD castors and Orb is totally one of the best ones out there
Why not just use a professional caster.
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I think what you're failing to realize is that orb was ALWAYS a dick. The more recent incident of the N***** usage was not nearly the extent of the shit he used to do.
Literally how he publicized himself was by raging and being angry.
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On August 19 2012 20:30 OnFiRe888 wrote:
Obviously, I don't know why orb is/was so bm, (perhaps some personal issues, etc) but what I do know is his casting is top notch, and if we're gonna let people like Artosis and Idra cast and adore them, then certainly orb deserves a second chance as well.
He probably hung out with IdrA way too much.
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On August 20 2012 03:27 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2012 20:30 OnFiRe888 wrote:
Obviously, I don't know why orb is/was so bm, (perhaps some personal issues, etc) but what I do know is his casting is top notch, and if we're gonna let people like Artosis and Idra cast and adore them, then certainly orb deserves a second chance as well. He probably hung out with IdrA way too much.
I don't know. Idra is more of just against the French gamers, and foreigners (if he's living in korea).
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On August 20 2012 02:30 Nymphaceae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 02:20 ETisME wrote:
his casting is really good, I do hope he finds another team to cast for.
It would be a waste of talent if he just fail here.
Not just a loss for him, but also to those who enjoy good castors.
I think for the current sc2 scene, we really do need more GOOD castors and Orb is totally one of the best ones out there Why not just use a professional caster.
Orb is better than a lot of the other casters out there.
With more experience he could get better. He is one of the few who actually breaks the game down beyond: and heres an attack! Drones Pulled! GG!
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On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote:
I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait....
So true.
TLDR at bottom for the lazy.
I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad.
The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad.
I have 2 things to discuss.
1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning:
When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say.
Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect?
*FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody.
2- When the word transcends racism:
Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck?
It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless.
IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people.
Quotes:
-"He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA
>Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind.
When asked whether he liked Canadians:
"I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA
>That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced.
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I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine?
Which is worse?
1- Black people in general seem a little bit off!
2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog!
I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all.
TLDR+summary:
So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world.
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On August 20 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote:
I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait.... So true. I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad. The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad. I have 2 things to discuss. 1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning:When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say. Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect? *FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody. 2- When the word transcends racism:Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck? It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless. IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people. Quotes: - "He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA >Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind. When asked whether he liked Canadians: "I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA >That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced. + Show Spoiler +I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine? Which is worse? 1- Black people in general seem a little bit off! 2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog! I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all. So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world.
Even though Idra is BM, he's more of an entertainer. He's not a caster. I have a strong feeling that Idra would have problems getting a casting job.
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On August 20 2012 04:10 Nymphaceae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 03:52 Djzapz wrote:On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote:
I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait.... So true. I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad. The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad. I have 2 things to discuss. 1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning:When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say. Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect? *FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody. 2- When the word transcends racism:Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck? It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless. IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people. Quotes: - "He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA >Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind. When asked whether he liked Canadians: "I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA >That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced. + Show Spoiler +I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine? Which is worse? 1- Black people in general seem a little bit off! 2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog! I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all. So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world. Even though Idra is BM, he's more of an entertainer. He's not a caster. I have a strong feeling that Idra would have problems getting a casting job.
Sure but Orb's position as a caster rather than a player didn't really change the kind of sanctions he was exposed to. His "rank" in EG however most likely made him more "fire-able" since IdrA's high profile and Orb wasn't. Regardless there's no reason to fire IdrA because people don't care about his use of "gay" and "faggot" and people don't care about racism toward French Canadians.
Nobody's going to to contact EG's sponsors about IdrA's rant against 4 millions of people they don't give a fuck about.
*And that's fine, but it shows the double standard.
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Can't you guys just not be jerks for a second? 3 pages that between them break just about every single TL Commandment. You also dragged IdrA into this where he has absolutely no place and you got him in here just to shit on his name. Very funny.
Maybe Orb does deserve a second chance, because compared to most people, or at least most people in this thread, I bet he's more mannered, and his commentary wasn't as bad as most casters'.
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On August 20 2012 04:33 Incze wrote:
Can't you guys just not be jerks for a second? 3 pages that between them break just about every single TL Commandment. You also dragged IdrA into this where he has absolutely no place and you got him in here just to shit on his name. Very funny.
Maybe Orb does deserve a second chance, because compared to most people, or at least most people in this thread, I bet he's more mannered, and his commentary wasn't as bad as most casters'.
IdrA wasn't dragged in here, the comparison is very relevant because he's had some bad comments and is part of EG, the team which fired Orb. It's not a random player being tossed in there.
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He didn't deserve to get fucked like that in the first place but what are you going to do.
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I actually really like orb. He seems as if he's hard working, motivated and knowlegdable. And a nice guy... I really don't care what someone said in a ladder game...
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its human psychology
even great people dont get second chances
we sense weakness and consume
bill clinton never got a second chance
oj simpson did tho
perhaps my logic is wrong
damn it oj
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On August 20 2012 06:16 MrRicewife wrote:
its human psychology
even great people dont get second chances
we sense weakness and consume
bill clinton never got a second chance
oj simpson did tho
perhaps my logic is wrong
damn it oj
Your logic is sound, you did say "great people".
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He's not really... gone. He still hosts ESV Korean Weekly all the time.
But uh, yeah, he didn't abide by the first rule of being a quasi-famous personality; which is not to ever fuck up in the public eye.
He's not a bad guy at all, it's too bad that he did what he did and lost his chance to cast for EG.
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He's truly dedicated to casting and knows what he is doing. We all make mistakes, even if some should be taken more seriously than others... I'd definetly want him to be given another chance. I might even boicott some sponsors if he isnt reinstalled  . See, the blade has two edges!
- Axel "Agnosticcube" Teirfolk
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I don't think anyone really cares much about that other than people who actually have a hate on for orb. This is really old news and people have short memories. I'm sure 50% of the people who were calling him out and condemning his acts have done the same thing themselves.
The severity of the sentence doesn't match that of the crime. It's not like he was hacking, ripping people off, or match fixing. He dropped a bunch of N-bombs. That's a forgivable mistake as long as he knows what he did is wrong and doesn't really harbour any of those feelings. As long as he doesn't keep doing it there's no harm. To be quite honest, as I said before, I don't think anyone really cares anymore.
That being said there's a lot of places that won't ever employ him because they don't want that associated with them. That's just the reality of the situation and nothings going to change that.
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He should get a second chance, the incident was blown way out of proportion imo.
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On August 20 2012 01:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
I thought orb already casted the hybrid proleague in english.
jk jk I <3 you sayle.
dang, you beat me to it!
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There are plenty of other casters to (or willing to) take his place. Why is this even threadworthy?
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I liked Orb until I realized how bigoted he could be if you just wanted to point out mistakes, like you don't even have to be "trolling" by any definitions to get banned or talked over. Its a shame because he is a great caster and seems to be a nice guy to viewers that never make any kind of critiques.
That said, the guy's had plenty of chances and didn't even handle the "crisis" well. Instead of owning up to it and apologizing he said (and I presume still does) it was a friend on his account and made that his official story.
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On August 21 2012 04:12 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 01:51 PrinceXizor wrote:
I thought orb already casted the hybrid proleague in english.
jk jk I <3 you sayle. dang, you beat me to it!
My mind is still blown at how much they sound alike. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but then boom.
My opinion means very little but I think he does deserve a second chance. Perhaps he's not ready yet but we all grow up from these kinds of things >.<
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