EPTI don't watch him because his casting sucks, not because of any personal vendetta.
Orb deserves a second chance - Page 2
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
I don't watch him because his casting sucks, not because of any personal vendetta. | ||
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MrMedic
Canada452 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On August 19 2012 19:53 Cubu wrote: i think orb was pretty much non-existent in the TL community before the drama. I mean, i never even heard of him until that thread about him using the n-word. Now almost everyone knows him. If anything, the drama probably helped him raise viewer numbers. He lost a full time job because of it. It didn't help him. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
The caster EG got after orb I don't really like at all, azeal or something is his name? he's not nearly as good in my opinion. | ||
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ArcticRaven
France1406 Posts
On August 19 2012 21:32 Sinensis wrote: He could grow a beard, change his name to Orbit, and I would gamble most of the people hating on him during the controversy wouldn't remember who he is. Or he could find his inner Artosis or IdrA and become an idol in HotS. As for me, i watch ESV TV regularly and i find his casting pretty bad, and this element will be the only thing i'll think about next time i wonder whether or not to open his stream. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
That being said, I don't really care that he is an asshole, I would still watch him if he was a good caster. I personally don't like his casting or his voice, so I don't really watch him that much anyway. Before the drama, people still complained a lot about his casting and I don't think he will ever be one of the casting "superstars" that we have like Tastosis and Day9. | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On August 19 2012 18:40 LucidityDark wrote: Basically this, he was witch hunted into the ground for a small mistake and now people don't want to watch him anymore because of it. Even if he tries to do better now and actually does an excellent job of casting or playing people won't like him until the incident is a distant memory. You say that like he only did it one time, but iirc he made racist comments and was a dick to people in general on the ladder since he streamed during beta. This had been going on for a very long time, over two years, before the community finally said enough is enough. Hes had second, third, fourth, and fifth chances but hes blown them all. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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hugitout
United States379 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
jk jk I <3 you sayle. | ||
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Terrakin
United States1440 Posts
On August 20 2012 01:43 hugitout wrote: I like orbs casting and I don't think saying nigger on the internet once in a moment of frustration makes you a racist. If someone 6pools you and you think/ call them a faggot are you talking about gay people? I don't think so, words just portray an idea and on the internet or in certain contexts those meanings can change, I am pretty sure race was not even on his mind when he said that. I think this is true as well. I feel a lot of players (and forum posters) don't have enough vocabulary at the moment to insult someone so they just yell these words. Talking about the past (orb firing) is pointless here, just keep watching orb if you want to see him succeed.. or fail | ||
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
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ETisME
12686 Posts
It would be a waste of talent if he just fail here. Not just a loss for him, but also to those who enjoy good castors. I think for the current sc2 scene, we really do need more GOOD castors and Orb is totally one of the best ones out there | ||
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
On August 20 2012 02:20 ETisME wrote: his casting is really good, I do hope he finds another team to cast for. It would be a waste of talent if he just fail here. Not just a loss for him, but also to those who enjoy good castors. I think for the current sc2 scene, we really do need more GOOD castors and Orb is totally one of the best ones out there Why not just use a professional caster. | ||
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VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
Literally how he publicized himself was by raging and being angry. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On August 19 2012 20:30 OnFiRe888 wrote: Obviously, I don't know why orb is/was so bm, (perhaps some personal issues, etc) but what I do know is his casting is top notch, and if we're gonna let people like Artosis and Idra cast and adore them, then certainly orb deserves a second chance as well. He probably hung out with IdrA way too much. | ||
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Nymphaceae
United States350 Posts
On August 20 2012 03:27 ninazerg wrote: He probably hung out with IdrA way too much. I don't know. Idra is more of just against the French gamers, and foreigners (if he's living in korea). | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13403 Posts
Orb is better than a lot of the other casters out there. With more experience he could get better. He is one of the few who actually breaks the game down beyond: and heres an attack! Drones Pulled! GG! | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On August 20 2012 01:32 Luepert wrote: I'll forgive Orb when people forgive Idra for the hateful things he said...... Oh wait.... So true. TLDR at bottom for the lazy. I've been meaning to write my own blog post about racism in general and why people are fucking stupid about the whole issue, but I always stopped myself because sometimes I feel like I'm the one person in the world that's capable of not thinking in black and white (no pun intended). People have this very dichotomous view of the world wherein things are either all bad or all good, without any nuances. That is incredibly sad. The word "nigger" has been put on such a massive pedestal because those people have had a terrible past, and now it's like racism against black people is the worst kind of racism. That's amusing to me, because it strikes me as racist for someone to be more concerned about treating black people respectfully than like, those native Americans who still get treated like trash to this day, after your ancestors essentially fucked those people, I can't even find the words to describe how bad. I have 2 things to discuss. 1- When the word is used WITHOUT its racial meaning: When it's not intended as a racial slur, but rather used as a cookie-cutter insult, people still view the word "nigger" as racist. Indeed that word, when it's used as a standard derogatory label like "faggot" and "dick" or "asshole", is somehow the end-all of all terrible things to say. Why is the word "nigger" worse than the word "faggot"? I can jokingly call my friend a faggot and that's fine, but if I jokingly call him a nigger then I'm racist? Are homosexuals not important enough to be worthy of the same respect? *FYI: It is my opinion that using those words, while it may be trashy and childish, is not "bad" and does not necessarily represent hatred of anybody. 2- When the word transcends racism: Now, strangely, the use of the word "nigger", no matter the context, is the worst thing in the world and it transcends the mere problem of racism. Why the fuck? It's like a large number of Americans have been conditioned to only view racism against blacks as actual racism, and everything else is unimportant. Orb's use of the word "nigger" was arguably completely devoid of its racist definition, and he essentially got crucified for it regardless. IdrA casually uses the word "faggot", but more importantly, IdrA has actually spoken truly racist things, literal hatred or at the very least dislike of French Canadian people. Quotes: -"He's French Canadian so he's gonna do a fast expand into a stupid zealot timing and then something else gay" -IdrA >Ok, that seemed playful and in character. I don't mind. When asked whether he liked Canadians: "I have nothing against Canadians, but French Canadians in general seem a little bit off" -IdrA >That, my friends, is what racism looks like, granted in his case it's probably mild and rage-induced. + Show Spoiler + 1:43 and up I'm pretty sure most of the people who will read this won't see it at all, because French Canadians are only French people who lost a war against the Brits and they've been oppressed until 1960-ish, and they're still hated by most of Canada so maybe it's fine? Which is worse? 1- Black people in general seem a little bit off! 2- [Playful] Oh Joe, you're such a stupid frog! I'm French Canadian myself so I may come off as biased, but trust me it has nothing to do with it. I'm not very nationalistic and I didn't take it personally, and I kind of enjoy IdrA's gig regardless because I wouldn't call him racist. Maybe a little misguided is all. TLDR+summary: So my point overall for this thread is, if you don't realize that there's a double standard here, you're fooling yourself. What IdrA said is much worse than what Orb said, but it's not viewed as such because while black people have fought to earn the respect that they deserved from the world, French Canadians have not, just like Native Americans have not. Certain groups of people simply haven't been able to lobby to earn respect. And so racism against those people is, in practice, generally more accepted in today's world. | ||
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