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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 00:14:43
August 15 2012 23:47 GMT
#1
incoming rant!!

1. alright i am extremely pissed with gender socialization in my culture. "vancouver, canada" It makes my life more difficult and restricts my range of self expression and it's stupid and sexist. guys should be able to be both manly and girly. and girls should be able to be both really girly and manly.

2. personally i LOVE unicorns (and also dragons and other manly things, like buffalo" but it's like against the social norm for guys to like unicorns and i feel that it SHOULDN'T be a big deal!! same with guys and liking my little pony friendship is magic. Seriously, like i watch UFC and MLP, and other sports and what not and i feel that it shouldn't be a big deal to like watching "girly" stuff.

3. Next... I feel being a guy limits my ability to speak with a fluctuating pitch. I want to be able to speak in a "fabulous" way without feeling like im a straight guy mocking gay people. I feel like it's expected that only gay men speak with a lot of personality and varying pitch and as a straight guy, it's just awkward for me to do it. WHY IS IT AWKWARD. This should change. >: (

4. Lastly... I am a straight guy that owns a pair of heels and I wish i could wear them without feeling self conscious / breaking social norms. I like them because they are cute and also make me taller. (im sort of short). I also wouldn't mind trying on dresses and etc... although I will admit... it would PROBABLY not look good on me.

In conclusion. I want to make it clear that all these "strange" peculiarities are things that are just "one" part of me. I am also possess the "stereotypical male manly man traits" And there is a term for being both manly and girly and it's androgenous. But I personally feel that a normal person part of a more human / humane society will naturally be androgenous as not being androgenous limits the abilities of a person to express themselves.

Bonus: I'm also interested in what girls have to say regarding gender socialization because girls have to deal with a lot of shit just because they're a girl and if you don't think they have to deal with it, you just don't know. So everyone!! discuss your troubles or thoughts regarding gender socialization!!

edit: 5. also OMG. I hate being a guy for once main reason... and that is... it's sort of expected of me to initiate conversations or whatever with girls. Or for me to be the one to ask a girl out. i wish girls were also more able to be the ones to ask me out ;( "it may however be... that no girl has "wanted" to ask me out" ~__~;;

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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 15 2012 23:52 GMT
#2
many parts of gender are just a social construct. things like how people should comport themselves, etc, are all ephemeral and change with time and culture. There were times when men wore heeled boots to appear as tall as possible, or when the supremely womanly attractive facial feature was a huge forehead (to the point where people shaved part of their head). Ideas like certain colors, concepts, or activities "belonging" to a certain gender are dumb. Although a man certainly can't breastfeed a baby, that doesn't mean he can't take pride in being a caring father. And there shouldn't be anything that prevents women from enjoying video games, but our society frowns on that as well. If I as a dude want to put on some foundation so I look better I don't see why that should be considered unmanly, but there you have it. Cooking, art, appreciation of the male form, certain television shows, all these are considered odd for men. And for women of course it's a million times worse. It's an ugly world, my friend. An ugly world indeed.
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 16 2012 00:02 GMT
#3
Why in gods name would you want to wear heels? Why does anyone wear heels, jesus christ they're shit. They fail as footwear, its like modern foot binding. Wearing heels to hide that short just draws attention to your insecurities, being comfortable with the thing you can't change is much more attractive
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 16 2012 00:04 GMT
#4
That depends on what you're looking for in a footwear. They don't fail at making you taller, for example.
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 00:17:43
August 16 2012 00:13 GMT
#5
On August 16 2012 09:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Why in gods name would you want to wear heels? Why does anyone wear heels, jesus christ they're shit. They fail as footwear, its like modern foot binding. Wearing heels to hide that short just draws attention to your insecurities, being comfortable with the thing you can't change is much more attractive

i have to agree, perhaps wearing those crazy shoes may not be best advised, but lol, as a guy, wearing heels is not going help with being taller, even if it does make me physically taller.

"ohh, he's so tall, oh wait.. he's wearing heels... wtf!???!" not going to be helping me picking up the ladies =x

On August 16 2012 09:04 Blazinghand wrote:
That depends on what you're looking for in a footwear. They don't fail at making you taller, for example.

I bring sneakers with me when i wear my heels so i can avoid the pain!!

On August 16 2012 08:52 Blazinghand wrote:
many parts of gender are just a social construct. things like how people should comport themselves, etc, are all ephemeral and change with time and culture. There were times when men wore heeled boots to appear as tall as possible, or when the supremely womanly attractive facial feature was a huge forehead (to the point where people shaved part of their head). Ideas like certain colors, concepts, or activities "belonging" to a certain gender are dumb. Although a man certainly can't breastfeed a baby, that doesn't mean he can't take pride in being a caring father. And there shouldn't be anything that prevents women from enjoying video games, but our society frowns on that as well. If I as a dude want to put on some foundation so I look better I don't see why that should be considered unmanly, but there you have it. Cooking, art, appreciation of the male form, certain television shows, all these are considered odd for men. And for women of course it's a million times worse. It's an ugly world, my friend. An ugly world indeed.


History / sociology / anthropology T__T; and patriarchal domination in combination with consumer culture pushed down our throats through media and advertising...
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 00:20:33
August 16 2012 00:16 GMT
#6
On August 16 2012 09:13 jodogohoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 09:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Why in gods name would you want to wear heels? Why does anyone wear heels, jesus christ they're shit. They fail as footwear, its like modern foot binding. Wearing heels to hide that short just draws attention to your insecurities, being comfortable with the thing you can't change is much more attractive

i have to agree, perhaps wearing those crazy shoes may not be best advised, but lol, as a guy, wearing heels is not going help with being taller, even if it does make me physically taller.

"ohh, he's so tall, oh wait.. he's wearing heels... wtf!???!" not going to be helping me picking up the ladies =x

Have you tried the trick I see in cartoons? Get another short (I assume you're on the shorter side since you want to wear heels to be taller) person, stand on their shoulders, and wear a trench coat. I think it's foolproof.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 16 2012 00:19 GMT
#7
On August 16 2012 09:16 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 09:13 jodogohoo wrote:
On August 16 2012 09:02 n.DieJokes wrote:
Why in gods name would you want to wear heels? Why does anyone wear heels, jesus christ they're shit. They fail as footwear, its like modern foot binding. Wearing heels to hide that short just draws attention to your insecurities, being comfortable with the thing you can't change is much more attractive

i have to agree, perhaps wearing those crazy shoes may not be best advised, but lol, as a guy, wearing heels is not going help with being taller, even if it does make me physically taller.

"ohh, he's so tall, oh wait.. he's wearing heels... wtf!???!" not going to be helping me picking up the ladies =x

Have you tried the trick I see in cartoons? Get another short (I assume you're on the shorter side since you want to wear heels to be taller) person, stand of their shoulders, and wear a trench coat. I think it's foolproof.


It's never failed me before
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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dazed
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada191 Posts
August 16 2012 00:23 GMT
#8
Sounds like you're maybe a closet crossdresser or maybe trans. Screw what other people think and do what makes you happy.
0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 00:28:57
August 16 2012 00:28 GMT
#9
U must be a clopper.
jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 16 2012 00:46 GMT
#10
On August 16 2012 09:23 dazed wrote:
Sounds like you're maybe a closet crossdresser or maybe trans. Screw what other people think and do what makes you happy.

uhh probably closet crossdresser, but not trans. i want to be both a manly man, and a girly girl =x

uhh screwing what other people think and doing what makes me happy makes me feel like im breaking huge social norms and... it feels pretty bad D:
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
August 16 2012 00:57 GMT
#11
On August 16 2012 09:46 jodogohoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 09:23 dazed wrote:
Sounds like you're maybe a closet crossdresser or maybe trans. Screw what other people think and do what makes you happy.

uhh probably closet crossdresser, but not trans. i want to be both a manly man, and a girly girl =x

uhh screwing what other people think and doing what makes me happy makes me feel like im breaking huge social norms and... it feels pretty bad D:

Hell closet crossdresser sounds perfect then. If you have access to some privacy at all just buy a dress or something and see if you dig it. Dont gotta worry about breaking social norms because nobody sees you!

But dont forget to take it off when you want to go back to manly man, that part is very important.
MrRicewife
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada515 Posts
August 16 2012 01:08 GMT
#12
uhhh.....

stop being a girl and do what you want

ignore social norms and man up

pick yourself up and get back on that unicorn

and for god sakes please DO NOT wear your heels in public, because that's just SOOOOOO scandalous


unless you are going to hastings street
So? My dad can beat up your dad. - Jesus
oemoR
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada29 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 01:25:15
August 16 2012 01:22 GMT
#13
I think it's all in the genes.. every living thing on this planet is programmed to perpetuate their life to the best of their ability.
Undertaking an androgyn-like lifestyle would be a detriment to their nature. It might not fully be the conscious will of society
that frowns upon people like yourself.
True, we have a choice, but in every human core, there lies that feeling of what truly must be done - be it good or bad; it is difficult (but not impossible) to overcome emotion.

I've seen some men be both manly and feminine.. I won't deny that I was curious; it's a charming and liberating life.

Also.. from reading your rant, it seems like you're trying to justify a way for you to out yourself.. even though you say you're straight.. just saying.

Edit: was*
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 01:24:18
August 16 2012 01:23 GMT
#14
On August 16 2012 09:57 Bibbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 09:46 jodogohoo wrote:
On August 16 2012 09:23 dazed wrote:
Sounds like you're maybe a closet crossdresser or maybe trans. Screw what other people think and do what makes you happy.

uhh probably closet crossdresser, but not trans. i want to be both a manly man, and a girly girl =x

uhh screwing what other people think and doing what makes me happy makes me feel like im breaking huge social norms and... it feels pretty bad D:

Hell closet crossdresser sounds perfect then. If you have access to some privacy at all just buy a dress or something and see if you dig it. Dont gotta worry about breaking social norms because nobody sees you!

But dont forget to take it off when you want to go back to manly man, that part is very important.

Will do ^__^;;

On August 16 2012 10:08 MrRicewife wrote:
uhhh.....

stop being a girl and do what you want

ignore social norms and man up

pick yourself up and get back on that unicorn

and for god sakes please DO NOT wear your heels in public, because that's just SOOOOOO scandalous


unless you are going to hastings street

social norms are not fun to break. but THAT UNICORN.. I SHALL RIDE IT...



but ahh, uhh... guys, im more using this post as a complain towards western society, rather then requiring assistance or advice. if i were to rate this on a sale of 1 to 10 in terms of how big of a problem this is in my life... i would say... maybe a 2...

i definitely appreciate the concern and care though ;D ^.^ <3<3
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 01:38:33
August 16 2012 01:38 GMT
#15
Then more to your point, I dont think I mind society being as it is. I'm all for being open minded and for people doing what they want provided its not harming anyone, but I'm not sure how much I would want to see dudes' hairy legs in ruffled skirts all over the place. I guess I'd get used to it eventually, not too unlike shorts I suppose.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
August 16 2012 02:21 GMT
#16
Being afraid of social conventions so much, now that's gay.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
August 16 2012 04:27 GMT
#17
You can speak with a fluctuating pitch without people thinking you are gay, it just takes good judgement of the situation + a certain amount of charmisma. Just look at any stand-up who utilizes their voice.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 06:11:05
August 16 2012 06:03 GMT
#18
Come to Korea bro.

Seriously, most fashion/ways of acting that would be considered "really metro" in Western countries are par for the course over here, and no-one would even turn a head at most of the things you've described.

Also, being more expressive with your voice is a good thing, it makes you sound more interesting and can be really attractive if you use it right. Most guys tend to talk too much in a monotone and not use their voice in an expressive way.
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
August 16 2012 06:10 GMT
#19
On August 16 2012 15:03 FuRong wrote:
Come to Korea bro.

Seriously, most fashion/ways of acting that would be considered "really metro" in Western countries are par for the course over here, and no-one would even turn a head at most of the things you've described.

actually... i was pretty "stereotypically a dude" until i started watching korean variety shows and etc.. and slowly internalized the awesomeness of their cultural ;D
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 06:16:16
August 16 2012 06:14 GMT
#20
nsfw~


So there's that.

edit: 5. also OMG. I hate being a guy for once main reason... and that is... it's sort of expected of me to initiate conversations or whatever with girls. Or for me to be the one to ask a girl out. i wish girls were also more able to be the ones to ask me out ;( "it may however be... that no girl has "wanted" to ask me out" ~__~;;

sup how about this: Think of girls with 0 confidence. Think about it. They suck. They're boring and not fun and so what if you don't want to get shot down thats life take a risk. Unicorns kick ass mano
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