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FenrirSC
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Sweden31 Posts
July 04 2012 00:11 GMT
#1
Okay, so I fucking suck!

I played about ten games this time and I don't even think I won half of them. I'm not quite sure but I might have brought myself up to the 50% winrate mark.

I've been playing gold and high silver opponents and I've noticed that my old build just aren't as effective at this level. Especially when it comes to my terran play.

As terran I 1rax-expand into three rax with a starport and +1. As soon as my first two medivacs are completed I push put. ~10min.
This is not at all viable in TvT anymore so I'm trying out a tank variation but I can't seem to engage properly with it.
Also against protoss this isn't working as well as I'd like it to. I think it might have to do with my production not being up to speed and I probably need to add on another starport for the later portions of the game, to deal with colossus.

My zerg is very bad as well, but I somehow manage to take wins anyways, especially in ZvP. All I have to do is build roaches and take bases.
In ZvT however, the roachbuild taught by filtersc isn't working out very well for me. Tanks seem to be a big problem and I just can't get the hang of transitioning in to the late game. Once I have broodlords out I suddenly don't have much else and I get all flustered and I'm not sure how to engage.

My protoss play still holds strong, although I did only play a PvT. Colossi are good.

I seem to know what it is I need to work on and improvement hopefully follows.
I'm just not sure what to do about my zerg lategame...

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hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
July 04 2012 00:48 GMT
#2
you're trying to learn 9 mus when your macro isn't even good (evident by being in silver/gold)

stick to one race
improve macro
standard build orders
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
July 04 2012 01:06 GMT
#3
Playing Random is very hard, its easier to play one race. While it is possible to learn all the races, it takes time. I would suggest just focus on the basic mechanics of macro and micro and learn one solid build order for each race if you want to keep playing Random. The only way to get better is playing. That's about all I can say without replays.
Th1rdEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1074 Posts
July 04 2012 02:02 GMT
#4
I kinda agree with the others... focusing on all matchups is a lot..

Honestly, until you're masters level with one, it's going to be hard to focus on the others. In all reality, being under masters with any race is borderline not-knowing-what-you're-doing....because being masters isn't really that great either unless it's KR server, which means you really do know your shit.

You will have a hard time figuring out every little nuance of each matchup for each race if you don't have a mastersish understsanding of each.

Then again... knowing and doing are two things.. so GL!
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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
July 04 2012 02:16 GMT
#5
Don't listen to them!

If you're having fun, keep playing!
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
hkf
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia354 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-04 02:21:37
July 04 2012 02:21 GMT
#6
On July 04 2012 11:02 Th1rdEye wrote:
I kinda agree with the others... focusing on all matchups is a lot..

Honestly, until you're masters level with one, it's going to be hard to focus on the others. In all reality, being under masters with any race is borderline not-knowing-what-you're-doing....because being masters isn't really that great either unless it's KR server, which means you really do know your shit.

You will have a hard time figuring out every little nuance of each matchup for each race if you don't have a mastersish understsanding of each.

Then again... knowing and doing are two things.. so GL!


I'm masters Z masters P and my T sucks but I understand builds for vP and vZ (to a masters level, ie, masters players do these builds) but not TvT, and I still would never play random because you essentially need to learn 3x3x8 (3 races vs 3 races on 8 maps) = 72 builds.
Antimatterz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1010 Posts
July 04 2012 03:58 GMT
#7
On July 04 2012 11:21 hkf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 11:02 Th1rdEye wrote:
I kinda agree with the others... focusing on all matchups is a lot..

Honestly, until you're masters level with one, it's going to be hard to focus on the others. In all reality, being under masters with any race is borderline not-knowing-what-you're-doing....because being masters isn't really that great either unless it's KR server, which means you really do know your shit.

You will have a hard time figuring out every little nuance of each matchup for each race if you don't have a mastersish understsanding of each.

Then again... knowing and doing are two things.. so GL!


I'm masters Z masters P and my T sucks but I understand builds for vP and vZ (to a masters level, ie, masters players do these builds) but not TvT, and I still would never play random because you essentially need to learn 3x3x8 (3 races vs 3 races on 8 maps) = 72 builds.


Or take a note out of Flash's book and 15 CC every game

That's what I did and it got my terran offrace to high diamond!
"HotBid [11:45 AM]: i dunno i kinda like the big muta shooting smaller mutas out"
FenrirSC
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Sweden31 Posts
July 04 2012 07:47 GMT
#8
I know that to get better as fast as possible I should just play one race and really focus on that.
The problem I have with this is that I easily get bored since I like to play with all the races so this is why I play random.
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