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On June 18 2012 06:08 avilo wrote:
Ironically you want people to watch "your" game (bw) but you're up in arms that half of the proleague is SC2? What exactly is this "ailment" you're dealing with? You sound like you're dying.
Well, there are 4 steps in your griefing of the move from bw to sc2:
Denial:
You can deny that things are shifting to SC2. You can pretend for the next 80 years we will watch brood war. You can deny that there *may* just be another awesome game like brood war which happens to be the sequel to the greatest game ever.
Anger:
It's perfectly fine to be angry. Brood war is what people have watched for 10 years. Taking away something you've known forever is tough, and accepting change is even tougher. Getting angry is OK.
Depression:
It'll be difficult, and you may become depressed. Many were when SC2 came out. People thought more than 12 unit selection would break everything, there'd be no skill, and the game would play itself. I myself thought exactly those things, and worse...
Acceptance and Hope:
After all of those sad negative uninformed opinions about SC2 were sapped from my body, and I learned to play it (and watch it) I started to like SC2. Why? Because it is fun, and it turns out when you take the time to learn it...it's pretty damn good. There's always a special place in every SC player's heart for brood war...but it's time to accept and move on. And as it happens to turn out...you can be a fan of both wings of liberty and brood war...because they are both starcraft...who would have thought!
edit: to clarify, this is @ those people that specifically hate on SC2 without watching it, and blindly stick to bw. -_- those people are annoying. both games are c00
I'm bored of both sides of things. Pointless hate (not that I think this blog is), and people like this who keep telling people to move on and accept something they don't like. You forgot another one- make a damn effort to keep your game going. Not that most people would know what that means, because most people take what they like, and moan, and pitchfork, and occasionally come into my damn stream chat to tell me how hilarious they think it is that BW isn't as big as SC2, though they'll be in the same spot a few years down the line.
The make an effort option isn't easy. It's definitely the right one though, if you feel strongly. Not just sitting back and taking it, "getting over it and moving on". That's entirely based on the idea that you can't have something unless someone else is willing to manufacture it then give it to you. Do it yourself!
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I understand having different opinions but I would go to youtube over teamliquid if I wanted to see stuff like the posts here. Reading nina's blog first and the other posts later then going back and reading nina's blog once more, I see half of the stuff she is telling about. Someone expresses his/her opinion which includes slightest amount of dislike towards SC2 and he/she gets bashed by a swarm of people in the following fortnight.
By the way I like the new PL format. It is like mixing vanilla and chocolate.
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if its so easy, what rank are you?
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On June 18 2012 06:24 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:18 Eywa- wrote:On June 18 2012 05:48 avilo wrote:
Mindless SC2 bashing, how mature. Ironically, the 5-10 minutes you spent writing this could have been spent actually informing yourself and learning about SC2. Yep... In those 5-10 minutes you could have gotten platinum/masters. Really?
Yeah, I'm a D rank 90 apm BW player and I got platinum level without any experience.
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On June 18 2012 06:24 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 06:18 Eywa- wrote:On June 18 2012 05:48 avilo wrote:
Mindless SC2 bashing, how mature. Ironically, the 5-10 minutes you spent writing this could have been spent actually informing yourself and learning about SC2. Yep... In those 5-10 minutes you could have gotten platinum/masters. Really?
I can rape platinum players, and I don't even know which unit does extra damage to what units. Although, I do recognize all the protoss units (I played protoss) and recognize half of the enemy units and buildings and know what they do/build. I'm really suprised how platinum/diamond players keep their energy on their cc/nexus really high though..I thought the spells were pretty useful
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i dont know if you guys are trying to imply different but...
plat is really not very good at all... :/
edit: i say this as a low plat player.
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On June 18 2012 08:48 sc2superfan101 wrote:
i dont know if you guys are trying to imply different but...
plat is really not very good at all... :/
edit: i say this as a low plat player.
I don't play enough to know how good diamond/master players are. I've been told anyone below masters is the equivalent of D- in BW. I'm a C+ player. To give you an idea of the skill difference; I can kill half of my starting probes and still easily beat a D- player with basically units whose only purpose is to humiliate the opponent (scouts).
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well, it was funny at some points but at others it was too over-the-top >.<
Infested Jesus made me rofl tho
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I JUST MASS WHALE KING ALL DAY
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If you want an easy RTS where you build big armies then try Supreme Commander. SC2 is an amazing game, although I agree it's hard to get into now (multiplayer anyway) because there is so much history and strategy around the game that you're starting from scratch in a world where everyone has lapped you a thousand times. But honestly, SC2 is the best game ever created IMO. It's not "emotionally" my favourite of all time (yet) but it just hits everything, and the fact it's becoming such a huge e-sport is fantastic.
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On June 18 2012 09:14 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
well, it was funny at some points but at others it was too over-the-top >.<
Infested Jesus made me rofl tho
Funny: Check
Over-the-top: Check
Job: Complete
On June 18 2012 09:35 Th1rdEye wrote:
I JUST MASS WHALE KING ALL DAY
You must not be very good, because mass Whale-King isn't a viable strat against any player who knows how to play.
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Nah, mass whale king helps because my opponent can't click any of their units.
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On June 18 2012 10:04 Lightwip wrote:
Nah, mass whale king helps because my opponent can't click any of their units.
Only works against noobs who don't use controlgroups.
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5/5, I look forward to robocop and token girl unit deathballs
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On June 18 2012 09:57 DRTnOOber wrote:
If you want an easy RTS where you build big armies then try Supreme Commander. SC2 is an amazing game, although I agree it's hard to get into now (multiplayer anyway) because there is so much history and strategy around the game that you're starting from scratch in a world where everyone has lapped you a thousand times. But honestly, SC2 is the best game ever created IMO. It's not "emotionally" my favourite of all time (yet) but it just hits everything, and the fact it's becoming such a huge e-sport is fantastic.
Interesting you brought this up. Although released in 1998, BroodWar was already miles behind of Total Annihilation, which was released in 1997. Total Annihilation already had fully-rendered units (over 100 different units types, too, holy crap) and you could literally select EVERYTHING at once. You could literally A-move your whole army at once (which, incidentally, would lead to some pretty horrific traffic jams when the units ran into chokes) and rally all your factories to one spot simultaneously.
The main weaknesses of Total Annihilation were: A) Non-engaging storyline... it was very impersonal and lacked characters. The missions were very repetitive and bland. B) No battle.net. Blizzard already had set up b.net for it's prior titles, and StarCraft's community was immediately able to plug into a community. It seemed like Supreme Commander went out of it's way to correct it's CaveDog-developed predecessor by adding a third faction, and giving the game a much more engaging story, plus adding a ladder system. When StarCraft 2 began previewing it's units, it seemed like Supreme Commander was ahead of the curve once again, and Blizzard seems to have coincidentally copied a lot of unit design from Supreme Commander.
![[image loading]](http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww82/artsynmk/supcomandsc2.jpg)
Here's one example that immediately jumped out at me: the Protoss have quite a few units that look conspicuously like Aeon Illuminate soldiers, with that kind of "robot insectoid tripod" feel to the units. Then I noticed that the Terran in SC2 had a lot more mech suits, and the Terran Siege Tank looks a LOT like UEF T2 Heavy Tank. The aircraft used by the Protoss and Terran in SC2 also look very SupCom-ish. The Cybran units look very insect-like, kind of like the Zerg (which seem to be an insect-lizard hybrid race), but I think Gas-Powered Games was actually copying off of the original StarCraft there.
Is this all a coincidence? Conspiracy-Bisu doesn't think so.
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On June 18 2012 10:04 Lightwip wrote:
Nah, mass whale king helps because my opponent can't click any of their units.
Wow, I think you just changed the SC3 metagame... Whale King needs nerf, imo.
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Fun read with some good points, though a little too overt ;p
Bnet 3.0 sounds better than bnet 2.0 actually. Which makes sense I guess, because .3 >.2
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On June 18 2012 06:08 avilo wrote:
Ironically you want people to watch "your" game (bw) but you're up in arms that half of the proleague is SC2? What exactly is this "ailment" you're dealing with? You sound like you're dying.
Well, there are 4 steps in your griefing of the move from bw to sc2:
Denial:
You can deny that things are shifting to SC2. You can pretend for the next 80 years we will watch brood war. You can deny that there *may* just be another awesome game like brood war which happens to be the sequel to the greatest game ever.
Anger:
It's perfectly fine to be angry. Brood war is what people have watched for 10 years. Taking away something you've known forever is tough, and accepting change is even tougher. Getting angry is OK.
Depression:
It'll be difficult, and you may become depressed. Many were when SC2 came out. People thought more than 12 unit selection would break everything, there'd be no skill, and the game would play itself. I myself thought exactly those things, and worse...
Acceptance and Hope:
After all of those sad negative uninformed opinions about SC2 were sapped from my body, and I learned to play it (and watch it) I started to like SC2. Why? Because it is fun, and it turns out when you take the time to learn it...it's pretty damn good. There's always a special place in every SC player's heart for brood war...but it's time to accept and move on. And as it happens to turn out...you can be a fan of both wings of liberty and brood war...because they are both starcraft...who would have thought!
edit: to clarify, this is @ those people that specifically hate on SC2 without watching it, and blindly stick to bw. -_- those people are annoying. both games are c00
I have to agree with the professional player here. I came into SC with SC2, but I still have watched seasons of BW, not for 10 years mind you, but I still have seen it and BW is definitely a great game, no questions asked. However, SC2 is a great game. People (especially in the BW forums) hate on SC2 for being way to easy, but the game takes a lot of skill, its the new thing and people are just now pushing the game farther and farther. In the beginning when everything was 5 rax reaper, 2 gates and other randomness, yes i think most everyone thought that SC2 was bound to be restricted by a low skill cap and that the skill cap would be reached by the end of the beta even, but that did not happen. I believe the first time I ever saw the skill cap reached was when I saw the Automaton 2000 play and it split ever single ling that was targeted by each seige tank individually while maintaining near perfect macro mind you. SC2 and BW are amazing games and I personally, very humbly think, that if any of the old BW players were to go into it with the mindset of Flash or Stork or ESPECIALLY Boxer, they would all love SC2.
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