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On May 11 2012 19:00 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:53 DR.Ham wrote:
Ok, I have an idea.
Why not post your assignment, and the task description here and we can evaluate it in an unbiased way? :-) I'm not going to do that because, firstly, what I'm talking about is how she marks work differently for different people. Showing the Internet my work isn't going to prove my point because what I am focusing on this post is that she marks high for other students just because they make their work flashy and suck up at how much effort they put into it. Secondly, I do not know who you are, I do not know who everyone else is and I do not want to put up private stuff onto a website based on Starcraft 2. OK?
Your original point was that your marks were lower than they should be because she was biased against you, if that is not the case and your point is that she is raising others because of the effort they put in that you don't, then I don't know how to help you. I didn't realize that your assignments were so personal, no need to be defensive, OK?
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On May 11 2012 18:44 Emix_Squall wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey,
I think that's a very interesting subject on education you're bringing here. I've always been quite a lazy student in high school. I was lucky enough to receive some kind of privileged education and a good access to cultural stuff from my family, therefore school was a bit easier to me and I never felt like putting much effort into it since I could always get decent grades (I'm talking basic decent like 13/20 or 14/20 [French grading system]) doing almost nothing. However I was a curious student, and would ask many questions so teachers would kinda like me for that. During one of my last years I talked with my maths teacher (which I knew well at that point) and she explained me I was basically the most annoying kind of student she could ever get. The kind you can't really blame for anything since the grades are decent, but the kind you also want to slap in the face so hard because you know they could do better if only they put a little more work to it.
Know my personal opinion is that a teacher should just grade each students regardless of who they are and of what they could potentially achieve. This is the fairest way to do things obviously.
HOWEVER, I must admit that grading a student based on his potential is a very good way to help him/her achieve more and get better. Problem being that it can also lead to the kind of bias you're talking about when a teacher starts giving you lower grades based on things that have nothing to do with education (how you behave in class, what your mom told her during the last parent-teacher reunion ....).
This is the kind of debate that's be running for years in many countries, should the educational system help kids/young people reach a certain level of knowledge (grades based on same things for everyone) or should it just help them become better (grades based more on students potential)?
Both of these visions have their problems and advantages. How should teachers spend the same amount of time with each student when some require more attention than others? How impartial can they be when it comes to grading considering they are free to grade based on potential?
I think the best answer most educational systems have for that is private school / public schools. Public schools will tend to be more fair when private schools will tend to help children get better than what they currently are. Now I know what I just said can seem awful to some people: "OMG you're so cruel, so poorer people that can't afford private school should just reach the average level and can't get better". Well as cruel as it may seem it's at the moment the "best" way to do things IMO (but we could definitely use a better one...) .
It's the informative and well reflected posts like this that make TL a worthwhile read. Thanks!
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The problem that most non-university teachers have, is that they think you owe them something. They feel offended if you are not living up to your full potential, but don't realize that it's your own decision if you just don't give two flying fucks. They somehow always believe that everything you do and they don't like is on purpose to piss them off. Some teachers just care too much.
Then there is the other kind of teacher who are just assholes. They hate their job and if you are making their job even harder, they will hate you too
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On May 11 2012 19:41 TyrantPotato wrote:
i remember when i was in grade 4 i had a teacher who HATED me. though my parents and other teachers said its just me that thinks it.
you see however i was the smartest in the class. infact i had actually been moved up a grade years earlier for being WAY smarter then everyone. but in grade 4 i was consistantly getting D's and F's.
one day i had enough and sparked a deal with the nicest quiet girl which everyone liked. i gave her my next lunch order (canteen order) if she would participate in a trade with me. I would hand up her work, she mine.This girl ALWAYS got A's so it would be expected if i handed up her work i would get an A also right?
got the assignment back. F. she got an A. When the teacher went to explain about how we all should have done the assignment i stood up and told her that this was actually the girls work and that she had handed up mine. Then i started to question how can a girls work who gets A's everytime be so bad to get an F.
the girl at this point thought she was just going to trade her work with mine for the fun of it, but as soon as she relised her work got an F she stood up as well and joined in my argument. soon enough we had the entire class in the argument debating why i always got F's and why the teacher hated me so much to give me F's
the ultimate end result was that i got suspended for 2 days for disrespecting the teacher and manipulating the class into helping me.
I did the same trade with my classmates MANY times, though after the initial incident i never told the teacher about it. the entire class knew though that the teacher hated my guts we just never knew why.
(well i understand now that my parents have tole me why. the teacher hated me simply because my family had only moved to the town 4 years prior and was considered the "new people". still disgusting in all honesty)
Tl;DR Some teachers are biased as fuck. some aren't. sometimes it works in your favor. sometimes not.
This is AWESOME !!! Congratz on putting your balls on the table and really trying to figure out whether it was just your imagination or she was really giving you bad grades on purpose! However I'm quite shocked with the ending of your story .... how can a school's administration who acknowledged such situation just do nothing about it?
Sure you probably deserved to be suspended from the "rules" point of view; but still you made it pretty clear this teacher is totally biased ... this should be enough for any school's administration to take measures making sure it doesn't happen again ... (not necessarily firing her of course, but a severe warning would seem appropriate ...)
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Hyrule19200 Posts
Did you just complain that philosophy was too philosophical?
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On May 11 2012 21:19 tofucake wrote:
Did you just complain that philosophy was too philosophical?
There is a line between philosophical and just complete crackhead. She would debate anything you say. The chairs are blue.... I'm serious.
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On May 11 2012 21:22 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 21:19 tofucake wrote:
Did you just complain that philosophy was too philosophical? There is a line between philosophical and just complete crackhead. She would debate anything you say. The chairs are blue.... I'm serious.
Questions like that seem stupid, sure, but people take them seriously. Wiki "Philosphy of Perception" or go to some philosophy classes when you get to college. You seem more guilty of bias than your teacher.
A teacher like that seems awesome anyway. High school is mostly a dull waste of time if you're decently intelligent; bringing in some philosophy for the smart people (like you apparently) is pretty fucking cool.
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On May 11 2012 20:42 MaGariShun wrote:
The problem that most non-university teachers have, is that they think you owe them something. They feel offended if you are not living up to your full potential, but don't realize that it's your own decision if you just don't give two flying fucks. They somehow always believe that everything you do and they don't like is on purpose to piss them off. Some teachers just care too much.
Then there is the other kind of teacher who are just assholes. They hate their job and if you are making their job even harder, they will hate you too
Actually, the problem that the most high school students have, is that they think they can do whatever the fuck they please and get away with it. If you're making a teacher's job even harder just for the hell of it, and do not respect the teacher, I really have no sympathy for any kind of bad or 'biased' marks you might be getting. These days teachers have very little power over obnoxious students with shittiest attitudes possible, so scoring them down is pretty much the only thing they CAN do.
I don't know how can anyone have sympathy for a guy who openly says he is disrupting classes on purpose; I certainly don't.
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You sound kind of dumb and you're afraid to post your work to prove otherwise. I think it's kind of obvious what's going on here.
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This thread isn't even about Highschool is it? Its about below highschool? If so then it doesnt matter, at all.
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From your OP you sound like a douche.
Your teacher is trying to teach you a more philosophical way of thinking and you simply brush it off because "KISS".
I've met people like you through my school year, give them anything new or truly challenging and they fail. What a useless waste of free will.
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Most teachers will take into account what kind of a person you are. Even if it's not blatant, they're going to give you the benefit of the doubt if you are like-able and hardworking, while picking on niggling things if you are lazy or rude.
It does feel unfair, but considering how useful/important it is to be like-able and hardworking, it actually works out pretty well.
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This is how life works.
Let me tell you my story: When i was in highschool, i failed my final years exam and had to enroll into evening school because of fkn biased teachers (didnt want to stay another year at that retarded school).
I have to say, i was the most lazy and arrogant student they ever had: never showed up on time, and always minimum effort. Even my classmates would backstab me because I was always getting passing grades while putting minimum effort. Why? Because pre-high school we made a test to determine your level for highschool, i got a convincing mark (548/550 points) for highest level highschool, but when I got there they put me a level lower because they said i wasnt serious enough, so i decided to do nothing because anything below highest was too easy.
So at highschool I was always sleeping and rarely opened a book during class or pre-tests. I put minimum effort into assignments and projects. I was pretty much hated by teachers, but those that had respect never failed me because my minimum work was better than class average. If i really fucked up and got a 1/10 (read:F) in an test I would simply open my book for a day and get an 10/10 (A+?) for my next test. Ezpz.
Problems started when I got in my final year, which is half decided by national exam and other half by school marks. I had an asshole for geographics and history. I rarely had a insufficient grade for these subjects and could easily get a high grade if i opened my book. However, this year was different, this teacher hated me thoroughly and never ever gave me a sufficient grade througout the year, even if i did study. Ending me on a 5/10 (5.5 is pass). He always stated that my answers were half right (i didn have wrong answers just all half right) so i always got only 5/10.
Thats means that i had to get a 6/10 on my national exam, and because i had to pass, i actually opened my book and studied my ass off. I made the exam, i checked the answers and i was fairly confident i had a 8/10 atleast. 2 weeks later, i received a 5,8 on my exam (5.4 total, 5.5 is pass) and i failed the year. The same teacher watched the exam and gave me half the points for everything again. The asshole.
So i was left with choice to resit year or go to evening school and university at a different place, at the same time. I took 2nd choice and finished the subjects year after with a 9/10 total. Also finished university first year with propedeuse and all my ECTS. Still confident that the teacher fucked me over.
Anyway school doesnt mean shit. I quit university on final year, and i went back to my home town to run my family company. Now i have 2 more companies, Im 23 years old and my owners equity is already a 6 number figure. Last week I saw that same teacher and he still hates for me being lazy and succesful. Owned
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On May 11 2012 22:14 ruiyang wrote:
This is how life works.
Let me tell you my story: When i was in highschool, i failed my final years exam and had to enroll into evening school because of fkn biased teachers (didnt want to stay another year at that retarded school).
I have to say, i was the most lazy and arrogant student they ever had: never showed up on time, and always minimum effort. Even my classmates would backstab me because I was always getting passing grades while putting minimum effort. Why? Because pre-high school we made a test to determine your level for highschool, i got a convincing mark (548/550 points) for highest level highschool, but when I got there they put me a level lower because they said i wasnt serious enough, so i decided to do nothing because anything below highest was too easy.
So at highschool I was always sleeping and rarely opened a book during class or pre-tests. I put minimum effort into assignments and projects. I was pretty much hated by teachers, but those that had respect never failed me because my minimum work was better than class average. If i really fucked up and got a 1/10 (read:F) in an test I would simply open my book for a day and get an 10/10 (A+?) for my next test. Ezpz.
Problems started when I got in my final year, which is half decided by national exam and other half by school marks. I had an asshole for geographics and history. I rarely had a insufficient grade for these subjects and could easily get a high grade if i opened my book. However, this year was different, this teacher hated me thoroughly and never ever gave me a sufficient grade througout the year, even if i did study. Ending me on a 5/10 (5.5 is pass). He always stated that my answers were half right (i didn have wrong answers just all half right) so i always got only 5/10.
Thats means that i had to get a 6/10 on my national exam, and because i had to pass, i actually opened my book and studied my ass off. I made the exam, i checked the answers and i was fairly confident i had a 8/10 atleast. 2 weeks later, i received a 5,8 on my exam (5.4 total, 5.5 is pass) and i failed the year. The same teacher watched the exam and gave me half the points for everything again. The asshole.
So i was left with choice to resit year or go to evening school and university at a different place, at the same time. I took 2nd choice and finished the subjects year after with a 9/10 total. Also finished university first year with propedeuse and all my ECTS. Still confident that the teacher fucked me over.
Anyway school doesnt mean shit. I quit university on final year, and i went back to my home town to run my family company. Now i have 2 more companies, Im 23 years old and my owners equity is already a 6 number figure. Last week I saw that same teacher and he still hates for me being lazy and succesful. Owned
Seems like that teacher played a pretty significant part in making you who you are today. If you like that person, and are happy with yourself, I'd thank him. Seems like he did you a favour.
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On May 11 2012 22:21 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 22:14 ruiyang wrote:
This is how life works.
Let me tell you my story: When i was in highschool, i failed my final years exam and had to enroll into evening school because of fkn biased teachers (didnt want to stay another year at that retarded school).
I have to say, i was the most lazy and arrogant student they ever had: never showed up on time, and always minimum effort. Even my classmates would backstab me because I was always getting passing grades while putting minimum effort. Why? Because pre-high school we made a test to determine your level for highschool, i got a convincing mark (548/550 points) for highest level highschool, but when I got there they put me a level lower because they said i wasnt serious enough, so i decided to do nothing because anything below highest was too easy.
So at highschool I was always sleeping and rarely opened a book during class or pre-tests. I put minimum effort into assignments and projects. I was pretty much hated by teachers, but those that had respect never failed me because my minimum work was better than class average. If i really fucked up and got a 1/10 (read:F) in an test I would simply open my book for a day and get an 10/10 (A+?) for my next test. Ezpz.
Problems started when I got in my final year, which is half decided by national exam and other half by school marks. I had an asshole for geographics and history. I rarely had a insufficient grade for these subjects and could easily get a high grade if i opened my book. However, this year was different, this teacher hated me thoroughly and never ever gave me a sufficient grade througout the year, even if i did study. Ending me on a 5/10 (5.5 is pass). He always stated that my answers were half right (i didn have wrong answers just all half right) so i always got only 5/10.
Thats means that i had to get a 6/10 on my national exam, and because i had to pass, i actually opened my book and studied my ass off. I made the exam, i checked the answers and i was fairly confident i had a 8/10 atleast. 2 weeks later, i received a 5,8 on my exam (5.4 total, 5.5 is pass) and i failed the year. The same teacher watched the exam and gave me half the points for everything again. The asshole.
So i was left with choice to resit year or go to evening school and university at a different place, at the same time. I took 2nd choice and finished the subjects year after with a 9/10 total. Also finished university first year with propedeuse and all my ECTS. Still confident that the teacher fucked me over.
Anyway school doesnt mean shit. I quit university on final year, and i went back to my home town to run my family company. Now i have 2 more companies, Im 23 years old and my owners equity is already a 6 number figure. Last week I saw that same teacher and he still hates for me being lazy and succesful. Owned Seems like that teacher played a pretty significant part in making you who you are today. If you like that person, and are happy with yourself, I'd thank him. Seems like he did you a favour.
How do you mean? I dont understand
Im still the same as ever. Im lazy and unmotivated and put minimum effort into things i dont have passion for. So i save my energy for things I do think are interesting and important. The only thing he showed me is that people can be so unforgiving if they think your only putting enough effort to be sufficient in something you dont care about.
If im happy who i am? Everything has it downsides. Succes comes with bitter feeling and tastes. I respect everyone who chose different paths and have different interests or motivations. Its just that some people cant appreciate me for who i am.
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Sometimes, you just have to bend a little to suit the person in power. At least in high school it's clear who holds the power (the teacher who gives you the grades, duh). It's fine to maintain your unique style of writing (everyone sort of has one), but it is necessary to tweak it here and there so that the person in power can also appreciate it.
You should fight for your grades, yes. Don't let the system push you over. However, easier way to get your grades back up, is to adapt and be flexible. You may also find that people who get consistently high grades across all subjects throughout high school are not only talented and hard-working, but flexible, open-minded, and fast to adapt.
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On May 11 2012 22:34 ruiyang wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 22:21 Jehct wrote:On May 11 2012 22:14 ruiyang wrote:
This is how life works.
Let me tell you my story: When i was in highschool, i failed my final years exam and had to enroll into evening school because of fkn biased teachers (didnt want to stay another year at that retarded school).
I have to say, i was the most lazy and arrogant student they ever had: never showed up on time, and always minimum effort. Even my classmates would backstab me because I was always getting passing grades while putting minimum effort. Why? Because pre-high school we made a test to determine your level for highschool, i got a convincing mark (548/550 points) for highest level highschool, but when I got there they put me a level lower because they said i wasnt serious enough, so i decided to do nothing because anything below highest was too easy.
So at highschool I was always sleeping and rarely opened a book during class or pre-tests. I put minimum effort into assignments and projects. I was pretty much hated by teachers, but those that had respect never failed me because my minimum work was better than class average. If i really fucked up and got a 1/10 (read:F) in an test I would simply open my book for a day and get an 10/10 (A+?) for my next test. Ezpz.
Problems started when I got in my final year, which is half decided by national exam and other half by school marks. I had an asshole for geographics and history. I rarely had a insufficient grade for these subjects and could easily get a high grade if i opened my book. However, this year was different, this teacher hated me thoroughly and never ever gave me a sufficient grade througout the year, even if i did study. Ending me on a 5/10 (5.5 is pass). He always stated that my answers were half right (i didn have wrong answers just all half right) so i always got only 5/10.
Thats means that i had to get a 6/10 on my national exam, and because i had to pass, i actually opened my book and studied my ass off. I made the exam, i checked the answers and i was fairly confident i had a 8/10 atleast. 2 weeks later, i received a 5,8 on my exam (5.4 total, 5.5 is pass) and i failed the year. The same teacher watched the exam and gave me half the points for everything again. The asshole.
So i was left with choice to resit year or go to evening school and university at a different place, at the same time. I took 2nd choice and finished the subjects year after with a 9/10 total. Also finished university first year with propedeuse and all my ECTS. Still confident that the teacher fucked me over.
Anyway school doesnt mean shit. I quit university on final year, and i went back to my home town to run my family company. Now i have 2 more companies, Im 23 years old and my owners equity is already a 6 number figure. Last week I saw that same teacher and he still hates for me being lazy and succesful. Owned Seems like that teacher played a pretty significant part in making you who you are today. If you like that person, and are happy with yourself, I'd thank him. Seems like he did you a favour. How do you mean? I dont understand Im still the same as ever. Im lazy and unmotivated and put minimum effort into things i dont have passion for. So i save my energy for things I do think are interesting and important. The only thing he showed me is that people can be so unforgiving if they think your only putting enough effort to be sufficient in something you dont care about. If im happy who i am? Everything has it downsides. Succes comes with bitter feeling and tastes. I respect everyone who chose different paths and have different interests or motivations. Its just that some people cant appreciate me for who i am.
Sorry to be so harsh, but you do know that the central exams in the Netherlands are not only graded by your primary teacher? A secondary randomly selected teacher somewhere else in the country gets your exams and checks the grading to see if it was fair judgement. To me this sounds a lot like complaining about being fucked with while all the time you are just making this up to give yourself some peace of mind.
Get over it, deal with it, be a better man because of it! 
Also: congratulations with taking over the family business and making some good money, but are you sure you don't want to finish up your studies just to be on the safe side? When things turn for the worse (Im not saying it will, but accidents happen  ) you always have something to fall back on.
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On May 11 2012 21:43 Sethronu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 20:42 MaGariShun wrote:
The problem that most non-university teachers have, is that they think you owe them something. They feel offended if you are not living up to your full potential, but don't realize that it's your own decision if you just don't give two flying fucks. They somehow always believe that everything you do and they don't like is on purpose to piss them off. Some teachers just care too much.
Then there is the other kind of teacher who are just assholes. They hate their job and if you are making their job even harder, they will hate you too
Actually, the problem that the most high school students have, is that they think they can do whatever the fuck they please and get away with it. If you're making a teacher's job even harder just for the hell of it, and do not respect the teacher, I really have no sympathy for any kind of bad or 'biased' marks you might be getting. These days teachers have very little power over obnoxious students with shittiest attitudes possible, so scoring them down is pretty much the only thing they CAN do. I don't know how can anyone have sympathy for a guy who openly says he is disrupting classes on purpose; I certainly don't.
purposely disrupting classes is wrong, but there is punishment for it. The grades you get from exams and homeworks however should never be influenced by your behaviour in class. Teachers don't have to "do" anything against students with shitty attitudes, that's exactly my point. Give them the grades they deserve for their work and if their behaviour is inappropriate there are ways to punish them (call the parents, detention, separate grades for behaviour etc.). Not doing as much as you could is certainly not "bad behaviour" and up to the student himself.
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Canada13405 Posts
Seems like you are a young guy and you like it simple so here are three things to learn from all this:
1) Its year 9, fuck it.
2) People are biased. Thats all there is to it.
3) You just learned an important life lesson: you don't need to suck up to people who have power over you in some way but you can't be a dick.
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Authority can do what they want without your say. This should be a lesson not to troll people with more power than you. It sucks, but we are all zombies.
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