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Well, no offence intended, but your writing in this thread isn't perfect.
That aside, you sound a lot like me in high school. English is philosophical. It's like art - completly subjective.
Your best bet is to think about what your teacher wants (or as above, ask for more feedback directly), and write that. If you're as good as you say, it shouldn't be a problem.
Secondly, getting 6.5/10 (or even 65% overall) in year 10 English means nothing. Literally. Nothing. Even if it was year 12 so it counted for your UAI (or equalivent), there are always ways to do what you want after school without getting 85 in English.
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Have you considered asking here what you should do better?
Some teachers just judge "diffrent", especially when it comes to essays. There is the (kinda big) possibility that she isn't doing it on purpose. You two are obviously not "on the same page" why should this suddenly be different when judging an essay?
My essays marks during school ranged from "very good" to "sufficient" depending on the teacher, whiteout myself getting much better or worse... But i didn't give a fuck because.. sufficent is sufficent ^^.
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On May 11 2012 18:40 DR.Ham wrote:
OP, don't take this the wrong way, but your post is not particularly well written.
I was going to say the same thing. Perhaps you really need to re-evaluate your abilities.
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I ran into this crap a lot at school, I swear to you, Me and about 20 others had to go to summer school because of my 9th grade Math teacher, what an incompetent b*tch. One of the very few times it was all on the Teacher, I'll skip the Daddy act cause I'm assuming this is also the case with you.
Do you have guidance counselors? deans? See if what she is doing is actually allowed, or if they have no problem with her doing that. If it is ok, or they don't have any problem with what she is doing, see if you can transfer to another class/teacher if thats even possible. If not, I hate to say it but you're screwed, lol, your best bet will then be to do the best you can, and try to get on her good side, if shes knocking points for bias, shell give them for bias. Play her game, fuck it, its your grades, sometimes you have to go along.
I had to do my first year of summer school in my Life because of her (she was fired the year after, my luck). Can't always have it easy, life is not fair, lol.
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Hey,
I think that's a very interesting subject on education you're bringing here. I've always been quite a lazy student in high school. I was lucky enough to receive some kind of privileged education and a good access to cultural stuff from my family, therefore school was a bit easier to me and I never felt like putting much effort into it since I could always get decent grades (I'm talking basic decent like 13/20 or 14/20 [French grading system]) doing almost nothing. However I was a curious student, and would ask many questions so teachers would kinda like me for that. During one of my last years I talked with my maths teacher (which I knew well at that point) and she explained me I was basically the most annoying kind of student she could ever get. The kind you can't really blame for anything since the grades are decent, but the kind you also want to slap in the face so hard because you know they could do better if only they put a little more work to it.
Know my personal opinion is that a teacher should just grade each students regardless of who they are and of what they could potentially achieve. This is the fairest way to do things obviously.
HOWEVER, I must admit that grading a student based on his potential is a very good way to help him/her achieve more and get better. Problem being that it can also lead to the kind of bias you're talking about when a teacher starts giving you lower grades based on things that have nothing to do with education (how you behave in class, what your mom told her during the last parent-teacher reunion ....).
This is the kind of debate that's be running for years in many countries, should the educational system help kids/young people reach a certain level of knowledge (grades based on same things for everyone) or should it just help them become better (grades based more on students potential)?
Both of these visions have their problems and advantages. How should teachers spend the same amount of time with each student when some require more attention than others? How impartial can they be when it comes to grading considering they are free to grade based on potential?
I think the best answer most educational systems have for that is private school / public schools. Public schools will tend to be more fair when private schools will tend to help children get better than what they currently are. Now I know what I just said can seem awful to some people: "OMG you're so cruel, so poorer people that can't afford private school should just reach the average level and can't get better". Well as cruel as it may seem it's at the moment the "best" way to do things IMO (but we could definitely use a better one ...).
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On May 11 2012 18:41 pZu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:40 DR.Ham wrote:
Officially complaining that a teacher is biased against you is pretty difficult to prove I think. The teacher will be able to pull out your assignments / tasks etc and point out why you got the marks you got. How are you going to argue your point that because you behave poorly and push her buttons that she is treating you badly back? It does not sound like a good idea to me.
Why would that be hard? Just let another teacher put his/her grades on the same assignments and see if they are the same.
English past general structure and the basics is highly subjective, and there is a decent amount of lee-way for the teacher to give a range of marks.
Thinking about it, most teachers I know would generally support another teacher or colleague above a student who admits being a smart-ass in class. In a completely fair world, they wouldn't, but just as a student would never take the teachers side above another student, I can't imagine it's any different for them.
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On May 11 2012 18:43 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:40 DR.Ham wrote:
OP, don't take this the wrong way, but your post is not particularly well written.
I was going to say the same thing. Perhaps you really need to re-evaluate your abilities.
it would depend largely on his assignments, but it's pretty evident that OP shouldn't be getting marked down as severely as he claims. grade 10 english is not university level.
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On May 11 2012 18:43 thesideshow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:40 DR.Ham wrote:
OP, don't take this the wrong way, but your post is not particularly well written.
I was going to say the same thing. Perhaps you really need to re-evaluate your abilities.
It's an Internet post, not an essay KK? I know it's not grammaticality correct! OK?
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On May 11 2012 18:49 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:43 thesideshow wrote:On May 11 2012 18:40 DR.Ham wrote:
OP, don't take this the wrong way, but your post is not particularly well written.
I was going to say the same thing. Perhaps you really need to re-evaluate your abilities. It's an Internet post, not an essay KK? I know it's not grammaticality correct! OK?
Sorry buddy, I wasn't trying to be a prick. You must be able to see the irony that the one example we have of your writing is poor, while claiming you are being victimized by getting poor marks... :-)
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On May 11 2012 18:44 Emix_Squall wrote:
Hey,
I think that's a very interesting subject on education you're bringing here. I've always been quite a lazy student in high school. I was lucky enough to receive some kind of privileged education and a good access to cultural stuff from my family, therefore school was a bit easier to me and I never felt like putting much effort into it since I could always get decent grades (I'm talking basic decent like 13/20 or 14/20 [French grading system]) doing almost nothing. However I was a curious student, and would ask many questions so teachers would kinda like me for that. During one of my last years I talked with my maths teacher (which I knew well at that point) and she explained me I was basically the most annoying kind of student she could ever get. The kind you can't really blame for anything since the grades are decent, but the kind you also want to slap in the face so hard because you know they could do better if only they put a little more work to it.
Know my personal opinion is that a teacher should just grade each students regardless of who they are and of what they could potentially achieve. This is the fairest way to do things obviously.
HOWEVER, I must admit that grading a student based on his potential is a very good way to help him/her achieve more and get better. Problem being that it can also lead to the kind of bias you're talking about when a teacher starts giving you lower grades based on things that have nothing to do with education (how you behave in class, what your mom told her during the last parent-teacher reunion ....).
This is the kind of debate that's be running for years in many countries, should the educational system help kids/young people reach a certain level of knowledge (grades based on same things for everyone) or should it just help them become better (grades based more on students potential)?
Both of these visions have their problems and advantages. How should teachers spend the same amount of time with each student when some require more attention than others? How impartial can they be when it comes to grading considering they are free to grade based on potential?
I think the best answer most educational systems have for that is private school / public schools. Public schools will tend to be more fair when private schools will tend to help children get better than what they currently are. Now I know what I just said can seem awful to some people: "OMG you're so cruel, so poorer people that can't afford private school should just reach the average level and can't get better". Well as cruel as it may seem it's at the moment the "best" way to do things IMO (but we could definitely use a better one ...).
Thanks a lot man. This was the post I was looking for. You are right, and this post may be the post that might really change me as a person.
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Yes, teachers are biased. They are human after all. You can get on their good and bad side. With some you can get there easily, with some it takes time and effort. With some it can take just one moment. Some are actually not biased. Some can be biased at some moments but not at other moments.
eg. I usually didn't study much in elementary school, so one time when I did and owned a test and I shown that I actually studied the teacher was so happy and amazed that she kept giving me higher grades from then onwards even if I didn't deserve them. That teacher was one of the most serious and feared teachers in the school too. It was a german teacher. Actually, that exact thing happened in high school too, german teacher again. (It also happened with a few other subjects.)
I personally didn't really get on anyone's bad side, maybe one teacher, but I've seen other people get there. heh
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Ok, I have an idea.
Why not post your assignment, and the task description here and we can evaluate it in an unbiased way? :-)
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On May 11 2012 18:51 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:44 Emix_Squall wrote:
Hey,
I think that's a very interesting subject on education you're bringing here. I've always been quite a lazy student in high school. I was lucky enough to receive some kind of privileged education and a good access to cultural stuff from my family, therefore school was a bit easier to me and I never felt like putting much effort into it since I could always get decent grades (I'm talking basic decent like 13/20 or 14/20 [French grading system]) doing almost nothing. However I was a curious student, and would ask many questions so teachers would kinda like me for that. During one of my last years I talked with my maths teacher (which I knew well at that point) and she explained me I was basically the most annoying kind of student she could ever get. The kind you can't really blame for anything since the grades are decent, but the kind you also want to slap in the face so hard because you know they could do better if only they put a little more work to it.
Know my personal opinion is that a teacher should just grade each students regardless of who they are and of what they could potentially achieve. This is the fairest way to do things obviously.
HOWEVER, I must admit that grading a student based on his potential is a very good way to help him/her achieve more and get better. Problem being that it can also lead to the kind of bias you're talking about when a teacher starts giving you lower grades based on things that have nothing to do with education (how you behave in class, what your mom told her during the last parent-teacher reunion ....).
This is the kind of debate that's be running for years in many countries, should the educational system help kids/young people reach a certain level of knowledge (grades based on same things for everyone) or should it just help them become better (grades based more on students potential)?
Both of these visions have their problems and advantages. How should teachers spend the same amount of time with each student when some require more attention than others? How impartial can they be when it comes to grading considering they are free to grade based on potential?
I think the best answer most educational systems have for that is private school / public schools. Public schools will tend to be more fair when private schools will tend to help children get better than what they currently are. Now I know what I just said can seem awful to some people: "OMG you're so cruel, so poorer people that can't afford private school should just reach the average level and can't get better". Well as cruel as it may seem it's at the moment the "best" way to do things IMO (but we could definitely use a better one ...). Thanks a lot man. This was the post I was looking for. You are right, and this post may be the post that might really change me as a person.
It might be useful to point out that private schools in Australia are the equivalent to public schools in the UK and vice versa. It was very confusing when I first lived there...
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On May 11 2012 18:51 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:44 Emix_Squall wrote:
Hey,
I think that's a very interesting subject on education you're bringing here. I've always been quite a lazy student in high school. I was lucky enough to receive some kind of privileged education and a good access to cultural stuff from my family, therefore school was a bit easier to me and I never felt like putting much effort into it since I could always get decent grades (I'm talking basic decent like 13/20 or 14/20 [French grading system]) doing almost nothing. However I was a curious student, and would ask many questions so teachers would kinda like me for that. During one of my last years I talked with my maths teacher (which I knew well at that point) and she explained me I was basically the most annoying kind of student she could ever get. The kind you can't really blame for anything since the grades are decent, but the kind you also want to slap in the face so hard because you know they could do better if only they put a little more work to it.
Know my personal opinion is that a teacher should just grade each students regardless of who they are and of what they could potentially achieve. This is the fairest way to do things obviously.
HOWEVER, I must admit that grading a student based on his potential is a very good way to help him/her achieve more and get better. Problem being that it can also lead to the kind of bias you're talking about when a teacher starts giving you lower grades based on things that have nothing to do with education (how you behave in class, what your mom told her during the last parent-teacher reunion ....).
This is the kind of debate that's be running for years in many countries, should the educational system help kids/young people reach a certain level of knowledge (grades based on same things for everyone) or should it just help them become better (grades based more on students potential)?
Both of these visions have their problems and advantages. How should teachers spend the same amount of time with each student when some require more attention than others? How impartial can they be when it comes to grading considering they are free to grade based on potential?
I think the best answer most educational systems have for that is private school / public schools. Public schools will tend to be more fair when private schools will tend to help children get better than what they currently are. Now I know what I just said can seem awful to some people: "OMG you're so cruel, so poorer people that can't afford private school should just reach the average level and can't get better". Well as cruel as it may seem it's at the moment the "best" way to do things IMO (but we could definitely use a better one ...). Thanks a lot man. This was the post I was looking for. You are right, and this post may be the post that might really change me as a person.
Well I didn't give that much of an answer but I tried to give an overview of the subject considering I've been thinking about this a lot too 
I think the bottom line of what I was trying to say is that you should always wonder if you could do better and if the grade reflects what you honestly think your WORK was worth.
Being a big fish in a small pond is sure comfortable but you might regret it later considering you were potentially capable of more ...
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On May 11 2012 18:53 DR.Ham wrote:
Ok, I have an idea.
Why not post your assignment, and the task description here and we can evaluate it in an unbiased way? :-)
I'm not going to do that because, firstly, what I'm talking about is how she marks work differently for different people. Showing the Internet my work isn't going to prove my point because what I am focusing on this post is that she marks high for other students just because they make their work flashy and suck up at how much effort they put into it. Secondly, I do not know who you are, I do not know who everyone else is and I do not want to put up private stuff onto a website based on Starcraft 2. OK?
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On May 11 2012 19:00 kzdanze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 18:53 DR.Ham wrote:
Ok, I have an idea.
Why not post your assignment, and the task description here and we can evaluate it in an unbiased way? :-) I'm not going to do that because, firstly, what I'm talking about is how she marks work differently for different people. Showing the Internet my work isn't going to prove my point because what I am focusing on this post is that she marks high for other students just because they make their work flashy and suck up at how much effort they put into it. Secondly, I do not know who you are, I do not know who everyone else is and I do not want to put up private stuff onto a website based on Starcraft 2. OK?
i would imagine he was being sarcastic, but your original and subsequent posts come off as looking for justification for some sort of confirmation bias without really providing us with anything to work with.
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On May 11 2012 19:03 Terranist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 19:00 kzdanze wrote:On May 11 2012 18:53 DR.Ham wrote:
Ok, I have an idea.
Why not post your assignment, and the task description here and we can evaluate it in an unbiased way? :-) I'm not going to do that because, firstly, what I'm talking about is how she marks work differently for different people. Showing the Internet my work isn't going to prove my point because what I am focusing on this post is that she marks high for other students just because they make their work flashy and suck up at how much effort they put into it. Secondly, I do not know who you are, I do not know who everyone else is and I do not want to put up private stuff onto a website based on Starcraft 2. OK? i would imagine he was being sarcastic, but your original and subsequent posts come off as looking for justification for some sort of confirmation bias without really providing us with anything to work with.
Or you can understand it as an open debate on educational system, why are people so eager on judging others?
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i remember when i was in grade 4 i had a teacher who HATED me. though my parents and other teachers said its just me that thinks it.
you see however i was the smartest in the class. infact i had actually been moved up a grade years earlier for being WAY smarter then everyone. but in grade 4 i was consistantly getting D's and F's.
one day i had enough and sparked a deal with the nicest quiet girl which everyone liked. i gave her my next lunch order (canteen order) if she would participate in a trade with me. I would hand up her work, she mine.This girl ALWAYS got A's so it would be expected if i handed up her work i would get an A also right?
got the assignment back. F. she got an A. When the teacher went to explain about how we all should have done the assignment i stood up and told her that this was actually the girls work and that she had handed up mine. Then i started to question how can a girls work who gets A's everytime be so bad to get an F.
the girl at this point thought she was just going to trade her work with mine for the fun of it, but as soon as she relised her work got an F she stood up as well and joined in my argument. soon enough we had the entire class in the argument debating why i always got F's and why the teacher hated me so much to give me F's
the ultimate end result was that i got suspended for 2 days for disrespecting the teacher and manipulating the class into helping me.
I did the same trade with my classmates MANY times, though after the initial incident i never told the teacher about it. the entire class knew though that the teacher hated my guts we just never knew why.
(well i understand now that my parents have tole me why. the teacher hated me simply because my family had only moved to the town 4 years prior and was considered the "new people". still disgusting in all honesty)
Tl;DR Some teachers are biased as fuck. some aren't. sometimes it works in your favor. sometimes not.
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However biased your teacher may be, you being a dick to your teacher probably doesn't help.
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