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"The switch is almost inevitable."
Bullshit. That's what I say. I also should apologize in advance, because I may find myself utilizing quite a bit more harsh language as I go - but for good reason - I'm upset with this defeatist attitude that BroodWar players have carried around since the advent of SC2's release.
My God, what has this community turned into!? Without BroodWar, there would be no Teamliquid.net, iccup.com, gosugamers.net, or fomos.kr. In fact, without BroodWar's astounding success in South Korea, I would go so far as to say that there would be no StarCraft 2. The very notion of the RTS genre even being manifested as a fully-fledged sporting event would not be possible without BroodWar. So, for those who hope for BroodWar's untimely death for the advancement of "ESPORTS", I hope you realize the implications of your convictions.
ESPORTS. What a funny word. What a fun thought: an arena filled with screaming spectators watching their favorite gamers. You imagine yourself in one of those on-stage booths in a cool team-jacket and beating your opponent, and walking off the stage, high-fiving your teammates, and have members of the opposite sex flock to you for your love and attention. It happened in Korea, so we always thought it could happen here in North America and Europe. I can't speak for Europe, but I can say this for North America: If North America did not embrace BroodWar enough for it to transform into a sporting event, it will not happen with SC2. The irony is cruel, but true.
I see my favorite game, StarCraft: BroodWar, being tossed away into a dustbin for the sake of ESPORTS. How is this even possible? BroodWar made ESPORTS. When Blizzard saw how much money Kespa was making, they finally got their shit together and whipped together SC2, and set it up so that they would have full control of it.
Another cruel irony is that League of Legends or DOTA2 will become the face of ESPORTS in the near future, and SC2 will fall into obscurity, and all the SC2 ESPORTS proponents will be scrambling to post on TL and explain why "ESPORTS IS DYING!" without realizing that they killed it. SC2 doesn't need money, sponsors, hot girls, television exposure or cheap season tickets to succeed. It needs what BroodWar had in Korea in 1999: everyone playing it, everyone loving it, and a StarCraft craze sweeping the nation. Is a SC2 craze sweeping across North America? Not really... it seems like the opposite is happening, but maybe that's just me.
But look, I don't want SC2 to fail. I like SC2.
I want BroodWar to succeed. That's what I want. I don't see why people feel like they can only play one game. You can't play BroodWar and SC2? You have to choose only one? Why? I'm so sick of reading these stupid posts where people are saying "Once proleague switches to SC2, I'm leaving BroodWar. It's over." and I can only wonder why. If BroodWar dies, and there isn't even one server left anywhere, I'll just stop playing computer games. I'm not going to "switch" to SC2 just because it's trendy to do so.
As long as there are people to play, BroodWar will never die, and I'll never stop playing.
  
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fallout 2 never died too because theres people who play it and you cant play both games if you want to be good at 1 because first of all it requires different computers and btw if you say somethink that MADE esports cant die so if esports exists after 200 years bw cant die because this game made esports?
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The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more. Also on your esport rant, do you really think people expect sc2 events to be like some big sporting event? Korea is a tiny country with a centralized scene whereas the US is huge in comparison, the fact that tourneys like MLG get huge spectator numbers, with all those people paying to be there shows how big it is. No game has ever "swept" the nation (US), gaming is and always will be a niche thing, so thats also invalid.
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Even if the proscene switches, I think the broodwar legacy is pretty huge, and we will surely see some tournaments (like the ones recently with fpv). That was awesome, but I really hope that people keep playing cause I love playing broodwar (even more than watching).
Dota2 is really fun, but for some reason it does not hold the same type of awe that starcraft has while watching. It's cool if you've played the game(and a LOT of people play it), but as a purely spectator sport I dont know, but I think it will get by with just it's player base who watch.
Sc2, while I think the game is okay, it just feels as though there is a certain something that is missing from the game..both while watching and playing. In either case the satisfaction that you get from winning/watching a broodwar game just does not come to sc2.
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On April 21 2012 13:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more.
Actually, I'm pretty sure LoL is bigger than SC2 as it is... I'm just saying. Otherwise, I agree with some parts of this blog though I weep for others, mainly the last 4 words! ;D
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as much as i like bw, we have to keep up with the times. as much as bw has been an amazing game over the past decade, it has been on the decline. even finding a sponsor for this coming osl is proving to be quite a challenge and seeing how difficult it is now, i don't think it would get any easier if there were to be future starleagues.
personally, i feel that the switch is inevitable but i think many bw fans alike can say that we had a good run.
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On April 21 2012 13:47 JMave wrote:
as much as i like bw, we have to keep up with the times. as much as bw has been an amazing game over the past decade, it has been on the decline. even finding a sponsor for this coming osl is proving to be quite a challenge and seeing how difficult it is now, i don't think it would get any easier if there were to be future starleagues.
personally, i feel that the switch is inevitable but i think many bw fans alike can say that we had a good run.
There's no such thing as a switch... Switching to SC2 is just as natural as switching to LoL.
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Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks!
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On April 21 2012 13:45 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more. Actually, I'm pretty sure LoL is bigger than SC2 as it is... I'm just saying. Otherwise, I agree with some parts of this blog though I weep for others, mainly the last 4 words! ;D
lol be quiet.
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Competitive BW will die, people's love for it and their desire to play it never will.
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As long as one day you're not caught underneath the GOM studios with kegs of gunpowder wearing a Guy Fawkes mask it's fine.
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On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks!
This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it.
I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow.
TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
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I agree with most of this, but everything that I could say has been said 100x over.
So instead, I'm going to go start a bank account for MSL 2052
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On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
Nothing is too big to fight against! But this shouldn't be a "fight" in the first place.
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even if the korean pro bw scene switches to sc2, theres no reason why bw players who arnt making a living from the game need to switch to sc2 as well. I will continue playing bw as long as there are still tournaments and leagues happening in the foreign scene, or my love for it dies out, which isnt likely. hopefully others see it this way too and continue to play their favorite game instead of following their supposed idols like blind sheep. Foreign bw, especially, is completely independent from what happens in korea..
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On April 21 2012 14:58 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
even if the korean pro bw scene switches to sc2, theres no reason why bw players who arnt making a living from the game need to switch to sc2 as well. I will continue playing bw as long as there are still tournaments and leagues happening in the foreign scene, or my love for it dies out, which isnt likely. hopefully others see it this way too and continue to play their favorite game instead of following their supposed idols like blind sheep. Foreign bw, especially, is completely independent from what happens in korea..
That's because you're fucking cool.
On April 21 2012 14:21 Newbistic wrote:
As long as one day you're not caught underneath the GOM studios with kegs of gunpowder wearing a Guy Fawkes mask it's fine.
Don't give me any ideas, now...
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On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
Remember how BW started folks. There was a time when Yellow was off living instant noodles and his pro-house was playing by himself at home on US West. BW didn't have hundreds of thousands of dollars of capital injection from Blizzard, it never grew because of money, and it will not die because of money.
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@ninazerg I am curious what is the B on the sc2 stands for ? B for Ban  ?
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On April 21 2012 13:49 Eywa- wrote:
There's no such thing as a switch... Switching to SC2 is just as natural as switching to LoL.
Why are you still posting? Isn't your league over? Didn't you want to retire, because the BW world is so mean to you?
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1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
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On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
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It's just that Blizzard brainwashed way too many bw players old@new and with huge PR investments and their absolutist behaviour + Show Spoiler +managed to convince them + Show Spoiler + that sc2 is the future and everyone's going with it. They aren't happy with sc2 as a game like they used to do back in the days, diablo, sc-bw, wc3..they never expected or tried to make those games perfectly balanced or competitive icons,they just made them so us could have fun and take it from there.
Now they didn't make sc2 as a fun game with a deep storyline and characters. They made it straight up as top of the competitive Esports scene and forced people to blindly play thousands of games with no chat rooms and a random game matchmaking so that you're always under stress and you lack alot of te social environment they used to provide. It's like a bloody casino, you need to win, you have to win, you can't leave without wining because everyone says this is the place where you win big.
Blizzard don't know jack about real balancing and sc-bw was balanced because the community accepted it as it is and smarter players developed further strategies to counter each other until it finally came to a point where units like scouts/battlecruzers/queens are hardly used and taken into consideration because the imbalance in the earlier days has been removed through strategy developement.
Instead of trying to make a movie franchise or even a tv series out of starcraft broodwar story, they did what they know best since wow...milk money as mush as they can and brainwash players all over the world that their game is best not because of the quality or story but because huge money thrown into public relationships and tourneys even with the game in beta stage,totally imbalanced, made alot of weak souls to surrender and "see the truth" .
I am totally sure that no really good old bw players switched to sc2 because it's a better game . They don't enjoy it, they are afraid of not being let behind ,why ? Because if old@good bw players don't switch to sc2, blizzard will fill the scene with just about everyone that wants to join and eventually their money will sustain a much bigger sc2 scene than that of bw's even if it's filled with noobs that come from COD , WoW or cs 1.6 . BW veterans don't like that so they are forced to move on..
Blizz it's just a brainwashing machine that stopped delivering good quality games when they found out that investing in public relationships and couple sponsorship gets more players and it's much cheaper than investing in a good team and time to build a great game.
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On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
MOBA games popularity tends to be inflated due to the fact that they promote the SHIT out of tournaments and imbed streams in their launcher. If Blizzard did this for SC2, the number of tournament viewers would skyrocket, and I think the numbers would level out.
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I will always play BW. When I'll have a kid, I'll teach him how to play and we will watch VODs together.
BW for life.
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On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL. Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun. Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
This is your quote.
LoL is the greatest thing to happen to ESPORS. LoL is the KING of ESPORTS
Although I'm not a mod, I'de like to say please gtfo a Starcraft site with this as your quote. Also, please learn to speak english. Your point is also that somehow controling 1 character + 4 buttons is somehow harder than controlling an army of 200/200 smaller microable units where 1 mistake can cost you a game, or a Pro 100,000s of dollars. Typing this makes me echo the "gtfo" thought again..
way to help prove my point that LoL has an obnoxious fan base
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SC2 is not the enemy of SCBW.
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On April 21 2012 15:43 Phyrigian wrote:
what both communities still fail to realise is that their game isnt the only "esport". i dare all of you to quit the community for 2ish months and play another "esport", and you'll start to realise that starcraft isnt the only esport in the world. you may think "yeah, i know that, but it doesnt really affect my stance on it" just try.
sc2 fans really love to flaunt the ESPORTS banner and do as you say, but BW fans don't really give a shit about it. They just care about BW and that's it.
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BW will never "die", only televised BW may.
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BW might die but I'm quite sure it will resurface in the near future. There's just too many people playing it in South Korea (afaik).
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The switch is like switching from the old pigskin rocks they used to play soccer with for the lightweight leather balls we use today.
It made the game faster, and easier for beginners. And eventually every league in the world switched. Its unfortunate but there is a natural progression and a life span for games, and I'll be honest, over 10 years for brood war is amazing! In an ideal world the 2 could live side by side, but Kespa sniffs money from a bigger audience they're going to move there.
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On April 21 2012 19:21 bgx wrote:
BW will never "die", only televised BW may.
This.
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Every game lives, not every game truly Dies.
BW.
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It's less that ppl are 'throwing away' BW and more that the new ppl coming in for a slice of this eSports pie just...don't...get...it.
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I don't have much insight to the either of the scenes yet but I can say already that I will keep playing BW and hopefully get more actively involved as well. Hell I spent hours learning korean with the goal of being able to give back to the community and as long as there's one person who wants it, I will do my best to deliver (still have a long way to reach the TL standards tho-_-).
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been reading teamliquid since 2002 and I feel like a stranger when I venture onto the other forums
broodwar jokes don't fly on general
liquidpoker has more starcraft culture than this site
broodwar won't die but teamliquid feels dead to bw
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i've been following brood war for 10 years, and once the switch comes, i'll only visit TL to hang out with TLers i know and for dota 2. i won't stop playing bw of course, but with the only legitimate pro scene gone (sorry, i don't really keep up with foreign scenes), it's really hard for me to do anything else.
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On April 21 2012 18:39 deathly rat wrote:
SC2 is not the enemy of SCBW.
not much else to be said. bw won't die if people still play it.
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It's difficult to expand/maintain an ESPORT because of the nature of gaming. If you want ESPORTS to grow and reach out to newer and younger audiences, it makes sense to build competitions around newer games. An older game like BW, while it may still be popular in Korea, can only diminish in popularity.
ESPORTS will never see the success of athletic competitions because the timeless nature of athletic sports can't ever be emulated in video games. Because competitions will have to change constantly as new games come out you can't put blinders on and say BW will just reign supreme forever, because it won't. And it shouldn't.
And I don't blame KESPA or any gamer for making a switch if it's the right business decision in the end and I'd rather see success for the E-Sports industry as a whole than just BroodWar specifically I guess
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On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
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Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post.
Back on Nina's topic.
If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread"
What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup.
On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun.
For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on.
BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing.
That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist.
As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it.
I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf"
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On April 21 2012 15:43 Phyrigian wrote:
what both communities still fail to realise is that their game isnt the only "esport". i dare all of you to quit the community for 2ish months and play another "esport", and you'll start to realise that starcraft isnt the only esport in the world. you may think "yeah, i know that, but it doesnt really affect my stance on it" just try.
No shit, but that doesn't mean they have to buy into everything regardless.
SC:BW isn't going anywhere. Fewer people will play, but hey we'll still be here and we'll keep playing it regardless.
CrazyHorse,
What do you think the coaches are trying to do? It's lip service to get more people to buy into it. Now that they're trying to position sponsors for it what the heck you think they will do, lol.
They're remaining civil because the funds are drying up in BW (many variables in place).
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Yeah, I'm aware. I think we agree when I say that due to BW's financial viability having pretty much disappeared and their need to keep the people in the industry employed (it sucks but that's the way it is) they see the transition as their only option. If they had a real choice they wouldn't be switching.
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the problem is having three distinct communities on one domain
the swarm of delusional ESPORTS gamers have not benefited the bw community at all
broodwar stood on it's own and never gave a fuck about ESPORTS that happened completely organically
the magic was there from the beginning
even the earliest games gave us ageless pimpest plays
"give it time they said"
also ESPORTS
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On April 21 2012 17:52 endy wrote:
I will always play BW. When I'll have a kid, I'll teach him how to play and we will watch VODs together.
BW for life.
i think your kid will be really angry that you are forcing him to play old games and not the new nice looking ones
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On April 22 2012 01:35 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 17:52 endy wrote:
I will always play BW. When I'll have a kid, I'll teach him how to play and we will watch VODs together.
BW for life. i think your kid will be really angry that you are forcing him to play old games and not the new nice looking ones
If that's the case, kill that bastard and make another one. A BW hater is no child of mine.
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On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf"
A point of clarity:
Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion.
That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves.
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On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves.
wtf are you talking about people abandoned bw in foreign scene because theres 100x more money in sc2 and 100x more fans and its already suceeded in foreign scene look at all the tournaments like mlgs and dreamhacks why would good player play bw to win 100$ in 1 tournament every month, people want bigger competition abd more money
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On April 22 2012 03:29 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves. wtf are you talking about people abandoned bw in foreign scene because theres 100x more money in sc2 and 100x more fans and its already suceeded in foreign scene look at all the tournaments like mlgs and dreamhacks why would good player play bw to win 100$ in 1 tournament every month, people want bigger competition abd more money
It's not about the money. It's about doing what you love.
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On April 22 2012 03:29 taitanik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves. wtf are you talking about people abandoned bw in foreign scene because theres 100x more money in sc2 and 100x more fans and its already suceeded in foreign scene look at all the tournaments like mlgs and dreamhacks why would good player play bw to win 100$ in 1 tournament every month, people want bigger competition abd more money
if you are playing a computer game purely to make money, you are wasting time anyway. Even the top pros, with the commitment they put into it, they could make so much money with a real job/business
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When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it.
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On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it.
This is probably the worst attempt at comparison I have ever seen on this topic. This obviously becomes funnier when one remembers that BW is still larger and more successful than SC2 in Korea.
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On April 22 2012 07:03 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it. This is probably the worst attempt at comparison I have ever seen on this topic. This obviously becomes funnier when one remembers that BW is still larger and more successful than SC2 in Korea.
"Never" is a long time. Also "in Korea" would be the key part of your post. I mean, War3 is still larger and more successful than SC2 in China, but it doesn't make War3 any less dead in the global scene. Maybe that is a better comparison for you?
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On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it.
No, that's called having a hobby and doing what you like rather than following a hype. Believe me, nearly all BW players at least tried SCII. If it was more fun to us than BW, we'd play it. I was never even close to earn some money, and even if, as someone mentioned earlier, there is no point in "esports" for "the moneyz".
I don't care if I see good games comeing from Korea or some D- scrub, as long as I'm entertained. BW simply can not die, as long as it's been played somewhere. Even if it would die "just like that" I'd still have thousands and thousands of VODs and replays I can watch whenever I'm in the mood.
Some of us "BW elitists" actually do follow some minor tours outside of Korea because we like the game, not because we want to have a highly competetive scene with a bunch of hype and streams and whatnot built around it. There are some idiots around here though that try to promote their own personality, as low as it might be, over the game... but nevermind them. It's still fun. And if it doesn't stop to be fun I'll stay here.
Persons that call me elistist, conservative, or worst of all accuse me of killing e-Sports for my attitude (game = fun, therefore i play/write/read about it / currently BW is most fun for me) should be sentenced to death by Twilight Marathon. Wait, in the end those people actually might like the idea 8[
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On April 22 2012 07:21 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:03 koreasilver wrote:On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it. This is probably the worst attempt at comparison I have ever seen on this topic. This obviously becomes funnier when one remembers that BW is still larger and more successful than SC2 in Korea. "Never" is a long time. Also "in Korea" would be the key part of your post. I mean, War3 is still larger and more successful than SC2 in China, but it doesn't make War3 any less dead in the global scene. Maybe that is a better comparison for you?
I don't have any delusions in thinking that BW is going to last much longer, both as a gaming community and as a professional scene. Whatever was left in the foreign scene is effectively dead now as all the major figures have moved to SC2 or other things. Korea will last a little while longer because of its special status in Korea, but everyone knows that it is only waning. But this doesn't change the fact that the comparison of BW fans with fucking southern American hicks that like to pretend they're the heirs of the confederate flag is completely retarded and the only way you could even make that comparison with any level of seriousness is by being asinine to new levels.
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On April 22 2012 12:49 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 07:21 babylon wrote:On April 22 2012 07:03 koreasilver wrote:On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it. This is probably the worst attempt at comparison I have ever seen on this topic. This obviously becomes funnier when one remembers that BW is still larger and more successful than SC2 in Korea. "Never" is a long time. Also "in Korea" would be the key part of your post. I mean, War3 is still larger and more successful than SC2 in China, but it doesn't make War3 any less dead in the global scene. Maybe that is a better comparison for you? I don't have any delusions in thinking that BW is going to last much longer, both as a gaming community and as a professional scene. Whatever was left in the foreign scene is effectively dead now as all the major figures have moved to SC2 or other things. Korea will last a little while longer because of its special status in Korea, but everyone knows that it is only waning. But this doesn't change the fact that the comparison of BW fans with fucking southern American hicks that like to pretend they're the heirs of the confederate flag is completely retarded and the only way you could even make that comparison with any level of seriousness is by being asinine to new levels.
Hey, at least they're not comparing us to post-WW I Germans.
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On April 22 2012 14:19 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 12:49 koreasilver wrote:On April 22 2012 07:21 babylon wrote:On April 22 2012 07:03 koreasilver wrote:On April 22 2012 05:33 Gheed wrote:
When I read things like "Brood War will never die" it reminds me of the people who still hang confederate flags from their porches and in the back of their pickups and honestly believe that the "south will rise again." Though obviously misguided, I can't help but feel that there's a tinge of admirability to sticking with something you believe in to the bitter end even when everyone else seems to have forgotten about it. This is probably the worst attempt at comparison I have ever seen on this topic. This obviously becomes funnier when one remembers that BW is still larger and more successful than SC2 in Korea. "Never" is a long time. Also "in Korea" would be the key part of your post. I mean, War3 is still larger and more successful than SC2 in China, but it doesn't make War3 any less dead in the global scene. Maybe that is a better comparison for you? I don't have any delusions in thinking that BW is going to last much longer, both as a gaming community and as a professional scene. Whatever was left in the foreign scene is effectively dead now as all the major figures have moved to SC2 or other things. Korea will last a little while longer because of its special status in Korea, but everyone knows that it is only waning. But this doesn't change the fact that the comparison of BW fans with fucking southern American hicks that like to pretend they're the heirs of the confederate flag is completely retarded and the only way you could even make that comparison with any level of seriousness is by being asinine to new levels. Hey, at least they're not comparing us to post-WW I Germans.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Curse you inflation, now my ESPORTS bucks are worthless! T_T
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I would be lying if I said I didn't care if BW was popular or not though.
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Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents.
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On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents.
broodwar did not give birth to esports .... Cs 1.6 and broodwar made e-sports as it is today ...
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On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents.
I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport.
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On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents. I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport.
That comment hurts ESPORTS. Minus infinity.
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BW won't die, but "good" BW is kind of dying as of late.
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On April 21 2012 14:39 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against. Nothing is too big to fight against! But this shouldn't be a "fight" in the first place.
I agree it should be a fight.
On April 21 2012 15:31 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against. Remember how BW started folks. There was a time when Yellow was off living instant noodles and his pro-house was playing by himself at home on US West. BW didn't have hundreds of thousands of dollars of capital injection from Blizzard, it never grew because of money, and it will not die because of money.
I agree the spirit of the community won't die but the competitive scene does depend on money.
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On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves.
Most of the people that are saying that (like I am) don't play BW as much as watching it. If the quality of BW games goes down drastically I'll probably watch much less of it, which is the point for most of us. I've been watching BW on and off for ~8 years, so the thought of professional BW being gone in a year or two is really saddening.
But I get what you're saying, iccup and whatnot aren't going anywhere, if you play you can still play and enjoy it. It's the same as the 1.6 players that are like "I'm quitting CS because there aren't enough tournaments, games dead!" when they're in open or IM. People just get a lot of motivation from top players which makes them continue playing I guess, or people just want an excuse to whine. I don't know which it is, really.
On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents. I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport.
Uhhh, you kind of have that backwards. LoL has like no non-riot funded tournaments, whereas Blizzard funds like sub-200k in tournaments. I wish Blizzard would throw more money at it, perhaps pay some A-teamers and coaches to come work on HotS while they're at it.
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On April 23 2012 15:23 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport. Uhhh, you kind of have that backwards. LoL has like no non-riot funded tournaments, whereas Blizzard funds like sub-200k in tournaments. I wish Blizzard would throw more money at it, perhaps pay some A-teamers and coaches to come work on HotS while they're at it.
I was being ironic. Double ironic actually, irony inception.
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On April 23 2012 15:23 Skwid1g wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves. Most of the people that are saying that (like I am) don't play BW as much as watching it. If the quality of BW games goes down drastically I'll probably watch much less of it, which is the point for most of us. I've been watching BW on and off for ~8 years, so the thought of professional BW being gone in a year or two is really saddening. But I get what you're saying, iccup and whatnot aren't going anywhere, if you play you can still play and enjoy it. It's the same as the 1.6 players that are like "I'm quitting CS because there aren't enough tournaments, games dead!" when they're in open or IM. People just get a lot of motivation from top players which makes them continue playing I guess, or people just want an excuse to whine. I don't know which it is, really. Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents. I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport. Uhhh, you kind of have that backwards. LoL has like no non-riot funded tournaments, whereas Blizzard funds like sub-200k in tournaments. I wish Blizzard would throw more money at it, perhaps pay some A-teamers and coaches to come work on HotS while they're at it. The korean scene is OGN funded i believe.
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On April 23 2012 18:22 storkfan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:23 Skwid1g wrote:On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
User was warned for this post Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post. Back on Nina's topic. If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread" What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup. On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun. For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on. BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing. That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist. As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it. I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf" A point of clarity: Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion. That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves. Most of the people that are saying that (like I am) don't play BW as much as watching it. If the quality of BW games goes down drastically I'll probably watch much less of it, which is the point for most of us. I've been watching BW on and off for ~8 years, so the thought of professional BW being gone in a year or two is really saddening. But I get what you're saying, iccup and whatnot aren't going anywhere, if you play you can still play and enjoy it. It's the same as the 1.6 players that are like "I'm quitting CS because there aren't enough tournaments, games dead!" when they're in open or IM. People just get a lot of motivation from top players which makes them continue playing I guess, or people just want an excuse to whine. I don't know which it is, really. On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.
She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.
Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents. I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport. Uhhh, you kind of have that backwards. LoL has like no non-riot funded tournaments, whereas Blizzard funds like sub-200k in tournaments. I wish Blizzard would throw more money at it, perhaps pay some A-teamers and coaches to come work on HotS while they're at it. The korean scene is OGN funded i believe.
OGN doesn't really have that kind of money. I think it will be funded by riot in conjunction with a sponsor.
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OGN is getting huge viewer numbers off LoL. Make no mistake, they are raking in big bucks from it as it is an unprecedented boom in Korea, similar to what BW was like in the beginning so they have plenty of money to throw at it
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