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"The switch is almost inevitable."
Bullshit. That's what I say. I also should apologize in advance, because I may find myself utilizing quite a bit more harsh language as I go - but for good reason - I'm upset with this defeatist attitude that BroodWar players have carried around since the advent of SC2's release.
My God, what has this community turned into!? Without BroodWar, there would be no Teamliquid.net, iccup.com, gosugamers.net, or fomos.kr. In fact, without BroodWar's astounding success in South Korea, I would go so far as to say that there would be no StarCraft 2. The very notion of the RTS genre even being manifested as a fully-fledged sporting event would not be possible without BroodWar. So, for those who hope for BroodWar's untimely death for the advancement of "ESPORTS", I hope you realize the implications of your convictions.
ESPORTS. What a funny word. What a fun thought: an arena filled with screaming spectators watching their favorite gamers. You imagine yourself in one of those on-stage booths in a cool team-jacket and beating your opponent, and walking off the stage, high-fiving your teammates, and have members of the opposite sex flock to you for your love and attention. It happened in Korea, so we always thought it could happen here in North America and Europe. I can't speak for Europe, but I can say this for North America: If North America did not embrace BroodWar enough for it to transform into a sporting event, it will not happen with SC2. The irony is cruel, but true.
I see my favorite game, StarCraft: BroodWar, being tossed away into a dustbin for the sake of ESPORTS. How is this even possible? BroodWar made ESPORTS. When Blizzard saw how much money Kespa was making, they finally got their shit together and whipped together SC2, and set it up so that they would have full control of it.
Another cruel irony is that League of Legends or DOTA2 will become the face of ESPORTS in the near future, and SC2 will fall into obscurity, and all the SC2 ESPORTS proponents will be scrambling to post on TL and explain why "ESPORTS IS DYING!" without realizing that they killed it. SC2 doesn't need money, sponsors, hot girls, television exposure or cheap season tickets to succeed. It needs what BroodWar had in Korea in 1999: everyone playing it, everyone loving it, and a StarCraft craze sweeping the nation. Is a SC2 craze sweeping across North America? Not really... it seems like the opposite is happening, but maybe that's just me.
But look, I don't want SC2 to fail. I like SC2.
I want BroodWar to succeed. That's what I want. I don't see why people feel like they can only play one game. You can't play BroodWar and SC2? You have to choose only one? Why? I'm so sick of reading these stupid posts where people are saying "Once proleague switches to SC2, I'm leaving BroodWar. It's over." and I can only wonder why. If BroodWar dies, and there isn't even one server left anywhere, I'll just stop playing computer games. I'm not going to "switch" to SC2 just because it's trendy to do so.
As long as there are people to play, BroodWar will never die, and I'll never stop playing.
  
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fallout 2 never died too because theres people who play it and you cant play both games if you want to be good at 1 because first of all it requires different computers and btw if you say somethink that MADE esports cant die so if esports exists after 200 years bw cant die because this game made esports?
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The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more. Also on your esport rant, do you really think people expect sc2 events to be like some big sporting event? Korea is a tiny country with a centralized scene whereas the US is huge in comparison, the fact that tourneys like MLG get huge spectator numbers, with all those people paying to be there shows how big it is. No game has ever "swept" the nation (US), gaming is and always will be a niche thing, so thats also invalid.
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Even if the proscene switches, I think the broodwar legacy is pretty huge, and we will surely see some tournaments (like the ones recently with fpv). That was awesome, but I really hope that people keep playing cause I love playing broodwar (even more than watching).
Dota2 is really fun, but for some reason it does not hold the same type of awe that starcraft has while watching. It's cool if you've played the game(and a LOT of people play it), but as a purely spectator sport I dont know, but I think it will get by with just it's player base who watch.
Sc2, while I think the game is okay, it just feels as though there is a certain something that is missing from the game..both while watching and playing. In either case the satisfaction that you get from winning/watching a broodwar game just does not come to sc2.
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On April 21 2012 13:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more.
Actually, I'm pretty sure LoL is bigger than SC2 as it is... I'm just saying. Otherwise, I agree with some parts of this blog though I weep for others, mainly the last 4 words! ;D
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as much as i like bw, we have to keep up with the times. as much as bw has been an amazing game over the past decade, it has been on the decline. even finding a sponsor for this coming osl is proving to be quite a challenge and seeing how difficult it is now, i don't think it would get any easier if there were to be future starleagues.
personally, i feel that the switch is inevitable but i think many bw fans alike can say that we had a good run.
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On April 21 2012 13:47 JMave wrote:
as much as i like bw, we have to keep up with the times. as much as bw has been an amazing game over the past decade, it has been on the decline. even finding a sponsor for this coming osl is proving to be quite a challenge and seeing how difficult it is now, i don't think it would get any easier if there were to be future starleagues.
personally, i feel that the switch is inevitable but i think many bw fans alike can say that we had a good run.
There's no such thing as a switch... Switching to SC2 is just as natural as switching to LoL.
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Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks!
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On April 21 2012 13:45 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:41 Megaliskuu wrote:
The BW foreign community is so small now, and the rate of new players is so tiny. I haven't been on fish server in a few weeks but iccup is as dead as ever. I don't think you really follow sc2, so you've got that whole delusion thing going on about how SC2 will fail soon and LoL/Dota will become the next BW, sorry its not gonna happen lol. I don't give a fuck about "esports", I don't want BW to die either, but sc2 is still fun, even though the quality isn't up to bw standards yet, it is improving fast.
If you "like" sc2 why don't you play more? Maybe you'll make some friends on sc2 and enjoy it more. Actually, I'm pretty sure LoL is bigger than SC2 as it is... I'm just saying. Otherwise, I agree with some parts of this blog though I weep for others, mainly the last 4 words! ;D
lol be quiet.
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Competitive BW will die, people's love for it and their desire to play it never will.
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As long as one day you're not caught underneath the GOM studios with kegs of gunpowder wearing a Guy Fawkes mask it's fine.
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On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks!
This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it.
I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow.
TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
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I agree with most of this, but everything that I could say has been said 100x over.
So instead, I'm going to go start a bank account for MSL 2052
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On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
Nothing is too big to fight against! But this shouldn't be a "fight" in the first place.
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even if the korean pro bw scene switches to sc2, theres no reason why bw players who arnt making a living from the game need to switch to sc2 as well. I will continue playing bw as long as there are still tournaments and leagues happening in the foreign scene, or my love for it dies out, which isnt likely. hopefully others see it this way too and continue to play their favorite game instead of following their supposed idols like blind sheep. Foreign bw, especially, is completely independent from what happens in korea..
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On April 21 2012 14:58 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
even if the korean pro bw scene switches to sc2, theres no reason why bw players who arnt making a living from the game need to switch to sc2 as well. I will continue playing bw as long as there are still tournaments and leagues happening in the foreign scene, or my love for it dies out, which isnt likely. hopefully others see it this way too and continue to play their favorite game instead of following their supposed idols like blind sheep. Foreign bw, especially, is completely independent from what happens in korea..
That's because you're fucking cool.
On April 21 2012 14:21 Newbistic wrote:
As long as one day you're not caught underneath the GOM studios with kegs of gunpowder wearing a Guy Fawkes mask it's fine.
Don't give me any ideas, now...
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On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 13:49 [V] wrote:
Except you forget the most important thing - money!
They are simply following where the money is. Business cannot be emotional and romantic about it.
But this really totally positively definitely absolutely sucks! This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it. I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow. TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.
Remember how BW started folks. There was a time when Yellow was off living instant noodles and his pro-house was playing by himself at home on US West. BW didn't have hundreds of thousands of dollars of capital injection from Blizzard, it never grew because of money, and it will not die because of money.
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@ninazerg I am curious what is the B on the sc2 stands for ? B for Ban  ?
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On April 21 2012 13:49 Eywa- wrote:
There's no such thing as a switch... Switching to SC2 is just as natural as switching to LoL.
Why are you still posting? Isn't your league over? Didn't you want to retire, because the BW world is so mean to you?
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