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1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
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On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun.
Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
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It's just that Blizzard brainwashed way too many bw players old@new and with huge PR investments and their absolutist behaviour + Show Spoiler +managed to convince them + Show Spoiler + that sc2 is the future and everyone's going with it. They aren't happy with sc2 as a game like they used to do back in the days, diablo, sc-bw, wc3..they never expected or tried to make those games perfectly balanced or competitive icons,they just made them so us could have fun and take it from there.
Now they didn't make sc2 as a fun game with a deep storyline and characters. They made it straight up as top of the competitive Esports scene and forced people to blindly play thousands of games with no chat rooms and a random game matchmaking so that you're always under stress and you lack alot of te social environment they used to provide. It's like a bloody casino, you need to win, you have to win, you can't leave without wining because everyone says this is the place where you win big.
Blizzard don't know jack about real balancing and sc-bw was balanced because the community accepted it as it is and smarter players developed further strategies to counter each other until it finally came to a point where units like scouts/battlecruzers/queens are hardly used and taken into consideration because the imbalance in the earlier days has been removed through strategy developement.
Instead of trying to make a movie franchise or even a tv series out of starcraft broodwar story, they did what they know best since wow...milk money as mush as they can and brainwash players all over the world that their game is best not because of the quality or story but because huge money thrown into public relationships and tourneys even with the game in beta stage,totally imbalanced, made alot of weak souls to surrender and "see the truth" .
I am totally sure that no really good old bw players switched to sc2 because it's a better game . They don't enjoy it, they are afraid of not being let behind ,why ? Because if old@good bw players don't switch to sc2, blizzard will fill the scene with just about everyone that wants to join and eventually their money will sustain a much bigger sc2 scene than that of bw's even if it's filled with noobs that come from COD , WoW or cs 1.6 . BW veterans don't like that so they are forced to move on..
Blizz it's just a brainwashing machine that stopped delivering good quality games when they found out that investing in public relationships and couple sponsorship gets more players and it's much cheaper than investing in a good team and time to build a great game.
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On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL.
MOBA games popularity tends to be inflated due to the fact that they promote the SHIT out of tournaments and imbed streams in their launcher. If Blizzard did this for SC2, the number of tournament viewers would skyrocket, and I think the numbers would level out.
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I will always play BW. When I'll have a kid, I'll teach him how to play and we will watch VODs together.
BW for life.
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On April 21 2012 16:44 TrainSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 16:06 AegiS_ wrote:
1) you overate LoL/MOBA games. they get more popularity than SC2 because they're a lot simpler to understand, and watch. someone who has played SC for 10 years wouldn't understand this. but to an outsider SC2 is actually quite weird at first look, whereas LoL games appeal much more to casual gamers looking for a competitive game to get into. I don't mind if the casual crowd is playing LoL, they can have fun with their team based game and obnoxious fan base.
2) all of the people who love BW, OR people who are just bitter about change/ think it's cool to not like SC2 cause you're somehow not mainstream will most likely end up liking SC2 when; hots is released, the BW pros join, and you can actually interact with the Pro's unlike the current bw scene. Flash at MLG anyone? Bisu stream anyone?
I know you're sad about BW and don't want to accept change but can you please stop comparing SC2 to LoL? SC2 is a completely different genre, and no one is going to switch their favorite genre of gaming because the other genre has a more popular e-sport. If anyone does, it's probably cause you suck at SC2 and want to get carried by a team in LoL. Hey man I don't need 200/200 supply to show strategy alrite? I can just use one hero, whats the point in making things pointlessly harder if I can show I am smarter than you? LoL is after all more fun. Btw not sure if you've been checking up sc2 rank but we're dying bro. No one playing ladder anymore while LoL is growing bigger and bigger by the day. They're truly the face of esports. Get with the times you sc2 elitist.
This is your quote.
LoL is the greatest thing to happen to ESPORS. LoL is the KING of ESPORTS
Although I'm not a mod, I'de like to say please gtfo a Starcraft site with this as your quote. Also, please learn to speak english. Your point is also that somehow controling 1 character + 4 buttons is somehow harder than controlling an army of 200/200 smaller microable units where 1 mistake can cost you a game, or a Pro 100,000s of dollars. Typing this makes me echo the "gtfo" thought again..
way to help prove my point that LoL has an obnoxious fan base
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SC2 is not the enemy of SCBW.
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On April 21 2012 15:43 Phyrigian wrote:
what both communities still fail to realise is that their game isnt the only "esport". i dare all of you to quit the community for 2ish months and play another "esport", and you'll start to realise that starcraft isnt the only esport in the world. you may think "yeah, i know that, but it doesnt really affect my stance on it" just try.
sc2 fans really love to flaunt the ESPORTS banner and do as you say, but BW fans don't really give a shit about it. They just care about BW and that's it.
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BW will never "die", only televised BW may.
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Japan11286 Posts
BW might die but I'm quite sure it will resurface in the near future. There's just too many people playing it in South Korea (afaik).
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The switch is like switching from the old pigskin rocks they used to play soccer with for the lightweight leather balls we use today.
It made the game faster, and easier for beginners. And eventually every league in the world switched. Its unfortunate but there is a natural progression and a life span for games, and I'll be honest, over 10 years for brood war is amazing! In an ideal world the 2 could live side by side, but Kespa sniffs money from a bigger audience they're going to move there.
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United Kingdom1679 Posts
On April 21 2012 19:21 bgx wrote:
BW will never "die", only televised BW may.
This.
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Every game lives, not every game truly Dies.
BW.
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It's less that ppl are 'throwing away' BW and more that the new ppl coming in for a slice of this eSports pie just...don't...get...it.
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I don't have much insight to the either of the scenes yet but I can say already that I will keep playing BW and hopefully get more actively involved as well. Hell I spent hours learning korean with the goal of being able to give back to the community and as long as there's one person who wants it, I will do my best to deliver (still have a long way to reach the TL standards tho-_-).
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been reading teamliquid since 2002 and I feel like a stranger when I venture onto the other forums
broodwar jokes don't fly on general
liquidpoker has more starcraft culture than this site
broodwar won't die but teamliquid feels dead to bw
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i've been following brood war for 10 years, and once the switch comes, i'll only visit TL to hang out with TLers i know and for dota 2. i won't stop playing bw of course, but with the only legitimate pro scene gone (sorry, i don't really keep up with foreign scenes), it's really hard for me to do anything else.
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On April 21 2012 18:39 deathly rat wrote:
SC2 is not the enemy of SCBW.
not much else to be said. bw won't die if people still play it.
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It's difficult to expand/maintain an ESPORT because of the nature of gaming. If you want ESPORTS to grow and reach out to newer and younger audiences, it makes sense to build competitions around newer games. An older game like BW, while it may still be popular in Korea, can only diminish in popularity.
ESPORTS will never see the success of athletic competitions because the timeless nature of athletic sports can't ever be emulated in video games. Because competitions will have to change constantly as new games come out you can't put blinders on and say BW will just reign supreme forever, because it won't. And it shouldn't.
And I don't blame KESPA or any gamer for making a switch if it's the right business decision in the end and I'd rather see success for the E-Sports industry as a whole than just BroodWar specifically I guess
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