BroodWar will never die - Page 4

On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:

This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it.

I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow.

TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.

On April 21 2012 14:26 ePLocust wrote:

This is actually it. This is why the Pro BW is going to die. Simply put, look at the activity of BW General vs SC2 general. From what I've personally seen it moves a lot quicker and there are far more people that post there. While the foreign bw community may have more heart than the Sc2 community you can't argue with pure numbers. Companies see the huge foreign audience and they want to tap into it.

I know you love BW and every time that I've personally watched it I've been amazed by the skill that I see on the screen in front of me but I came here because of SC2 like too many other people. BW is an awesome game. However, I don't think that sc2 is as awful as the majority of the Pro-BW posts that I've seen on TL make it out to be. The game has potential IMO and there are still 2 new expansions that are going to be released. Blizzard is now working more closely with so many tournaments and organizations so that sc2 can grow.

TLDR: BW is great but SC2 is too big to fight against.

On April 21 2012 23:55 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:


Even though he was warned, and for good reason, I'm baffled to see how many people miss the sarcasm in this post.

Back on Nina's topic.
If you got that from that "what will you do after BW thread"
What I get from that poll is not that peoplw will leave BW and move to SC2 but rather, and this is my case most likely - I say most likely because I want to give SC2 a chance after reading the opinion of the head coaches, even though I do think it's a boring game to play and much more so to watch - is that people will stop following any kind of pro-scene if BW stops being played at the highest level in existence (proleague). I will most definitely still play BW, preferably on Iccup because I can actually win some games there as opposed to Fish, plus I don't lag on ICCup.

On the issue of LoL > SC2. Is not so much that LoL just has a bigger community (even though admittedly is full of trolls; perhaps not the majority but there are quite a few). As a side note ,I think Day[9] did a great job educating the new blood in SC2 with his dailies and he deserves most of the credit for the SC2 community not being a cesspool of immaturity and individuals calling everyone a fag. But for people like me who think BW is infinitely better than SC2 as a game, is that I play BW and when I need a break from BW whether it be because friends are not online or I'm stressed from being such a try hard, I go play LoL because LoL is somewhat fun, easy and relaxing when you play with friends. Hell, micro 1 unit compared to being in a hectic battle doing all the shit you have to do in BW? This is heaven! and then I go back to BW, thus avoiding SC2 because I just don't find it fun.

For those of you who haven't go read final comments that January and the SKT coach gave on that interview that OpShot translated. I think it sums up pretty well the mentality of many people who prefer BW to SC2 but think that SC2 is closing on us inevitably upon BWs failure to stay alive (competitively) partly due to Savior's bullshit; the korean-centric environment of the game which wasn't liked around the world becuase they're too close minded to watch something in a different laguage let alone trying to understand it; blizzard's law suit in order to claim their rights to what they didn't think was important for 7 years (interestingly enough around the SC2 release). There's among us the feeling that blizzard came up with this in order to bulldozer BW from the way and have the motherland of ESPORTS accept their game. I will not go into that because that issue has been discussed to death for 3 years and nothing good came out of it. But all these reasons combined are what is "killing BW'", and the fact that when a sequel comes consumerism dictates that it's time to move on.

BW remains the RTS of my choice, and simply put I won't transition into an RTS that I think is inferior. LoL is just more fun to play in that respect because you can do it with friends and having 4 people with you on skype doing retarded shit in game and laughing.

That said I don't wish death upon SC2. I just don't care for it and if it has a good pro scene then good for you guys. The demise of televised BW came about many factors of which the release of SC2 as a game by itself, i.e. no blizzard propaganda and involvement in korea, had very little impact. In fact I admire people like SNM who are willing to defend both games because they truly enjoy them and their competitive scenes. I'd rather take the path of pretending that the game that didn't live up to the hype doesn't exist.

As an addendum and not that anyone would care, but I still would like to cover all my bases: I did try sc2, I was just as excited as anyone else in this site for it and I even did everything I could to win a beta-key from a TL.net contest. I played it a few times upon release on a friend's account. I just couldn't get into it.

I hope those of you who care about this topic actually take the time to read this wall of text because it just wouldn't do it justice to say TLDR "BW > all gl hf"

On April 22 2012 17:07 Azera wrote:
Yeah, BW gave birth to eSports. BW wants eSports to major in engineering, to live the dream of her parents, not her own. She decides that she is an independent individual and says fuck it, I'll do what I love doing.

She then majors in Literature instead, because that's what she loves.


Get my analogy? Stop being totalitarian parents.

On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:
I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport.

On April 22 2012 02:54 ninazerg wrote:



A point of clarity:

Again, I'm not saying BroodWar is better than SC2, or vice-versa. Supernovamaniac actually has a surprisingly good attitude towards both games (although a few months ago, he was saying SC2 was shit and he hated it) which I share: both games are awesome! LoL is AWFUL, in my opinion.

That's not the point, though. The point is that people feel like they need to completely abandon playing BroodWar entirely in the foreign scene because of some shit that's happening in Korea. Some people would even see this as a positive development, because they want SC2 to become a legitimate ESPORT in NA, following the logic "It has to succeed in Korea to succeed here." and that's completely ass-backwards. That's what bugs me, the attitude, not really the games themselves.

On April 23 2012 10:34 sluggaslamoo wrote:


I completely agree, Blizzard should stop throwing money at SC2 and forcing eSports on it like totalitarian parents, because we all know that LoL will be the next major eSport.

On April 23 2012 15:23 Skwid1g wrote:


Most of the people that are saying that (like I am) don't play BW as much as watching it. If the quality of BW games goes down drastically I'll probably watch much less of it, which is the point for most of us. I've been watching BW on and off for ~8 years, so the thought of professional BW being gone in a year or two is really saddening.

But I get what you're saying, iccup and whatnot aren't going anywhere, if you play you can still play and enjoy it. It's the same as the 1.6 players that are like "I'm quitting CS because there aren't enough tournaments, games dead!" when they're in open or IM. People just get a lot of motivation from top players which makes them continue playing I guess, or people just want an excuse to whine. I don't know which it is, really.





Uhhh, you kind of have that backwards. LoL has like no non-riot funded tournaments, whereas Blizzard funds like sub-200k in tournaments. I wish Blizzard would throw more money at it, perhaps pay some A-teamers and coaches to come work on HotS while they're at it.