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One of the many distinctions the IPL affords is the attractive female announcers and interviewers they have running the show. Now, despite me being a young male gamer, I do find something about this arrangement a bit discomforting. To put it bluntly, I think the way the ladies dressed was a least a bit unprofessional.
I like hot chicks as much as the next guy, but seeing Megumixbear and others parading around in a dress while all the men around her was dressed professionally was distracting and off putting, to say the least. It reeked of IPL parading around females for simple sex appeal; this idea was further reinforced by a poor understanding of the game by some of the interviewers. When compared to other tournaments and sports featuring a female presence, this issue becomes even more prominent.
Compare the dress code of the female faces of IPL to that of the OSL, GSL, and mainstream professional sports.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tLyRo.jpg?1)
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Note: I have no idea how to format pictures correctly on TL.
From left/top to right/bottom: Anna Prosser, at IPL4; Heidi Watney, of Time Warner Cable; Lee Hyun Joo, the former(?) Korean female GSL caster
While by no means a comprehensive spread of photographs, these are pretty good representations of their respective fields. I would say that the distinction between IPL and the rest of the professional sports world in terms of female dress code is pretty damn obvious.
I think that in the long run, dressing like this will do more to hurt ESPORTS as a legitimate industry than help it (“Hey, look at how they treat their women!”). Thankfully, the solution is pretty simple: dress up more professionally! Given the unprofessional-ness of gaming, with everyone wearing casual clothes, this is pretty easy – I think Smix had a decent getup in a simple jeans and tshirt (and still looked really good). For fancier events, or perhaps to earn credibility as a professional and legitimate sport, a second option is to dress up in professional clothes like the men – blouse, pant suit, business skirt – I don’t know what the female equivalent of the Tastosis suit is, but that would be a great place to start.
On a more personal note, at Blizzcon I was struck by how professional, as well as how good, the female GSL caster looked. I have a few really blurry pictures on my shitty digital camera, but I really think that that’s the correct way to go in order for ESPORTS to grow. Every time I saw an announcer go on stage at IPL, I was struck by how awkward they looked in dresses, showing off how sexy they were, when really SC2 has nothing to do with that aspect of life. While I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, I just want to see SC2 continue to grow.
Edit: Thanks for the image formatting help!
Edit2: Removed "sexist"; poor word choice on my part.
 
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Two of the women in those pics are dressed appropriately. Don't agree with you at all.
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On April 16 2012 16:49 Zidane wrote:
Two of the women in those pics are dressed appropriately. Don't agree with you at all.
Depending on which 2 pics you're talking about, I would say that you have a good chance of supporting my argument? I'm saying that the IPL dress was (slightly) inappropriate, not the other ones.
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Remove the leading whitespace in your image tags. I kind of agree with you but at the same time I think IPL can get away with it because that was Vegas and the other one was Atlantic City. Anywhere else, i.e. on stage at MLG Columbus or something and seeing the host dressed like that would be strange, but maybe that's just me. I mean when you think who else has hosts like that, all I can think of is boxing & MMA (not saying that's a bad thing). Is the target audience the same? I'd say kind of yes, young adult males, but maybe SC2 is trying to be broader then that.
Can't deny that out of the current Sc2 tournys, the GSL has the best/most professional (esp on the Korean commentating side).
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On April 16 2012 16:51 milikan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 16:49 Zidane wrote:
Two of the women in those pics are dressed appropriately. Don't agree with you at all. Depending on which 2 pics you're talking about, I would say that you have a good chance of supporting my argument? I'm saying that the IPL dress was (slightly) inappropriate, not the other ones.
I strongly disagree with you on this. First of all, these women choose their own dress, it wasn't that decision of IPL to put them in random dresses. Anna and Susie for example talked about how they wanted to dress this way because it was what they wanted, because it was their choice. How is that degrading of women in esports at all, is letting them have the choice of what to wear that detrimental? They looked much more modest than 90% of women who attend the Golden Globes and other such events, and no one complains about them.
As for helping you on the tags here you go
[img]http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/IPL4/Day3/504_05555_t.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/o/f/ofalx5qwinxtafxx.jpg[/img]
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2012 16:55 teamamerica wrote:
Remove the leading whitespace in your image tags. I kind of agree with you but at the same time I think IPL can get away with it because that was Vegas and the other one was Atlantic City. Anywhere else, i.e. on stage at MLG Columbus or something and seeing the host dressed like that would be strange, but maybe that's just me. I mean when you think who else has hosts like that, all I can think of is boxing & MMA (not saying that's a bad thing). Is the target audience the same? I'd say kind of yes, young adult males, but maybe SC2 is trying to be broader then that.
Can't deny that out of the current Sc2 tournys, the GSL has the best/most professional (esp on the Korean commentating side).
Yeah, I thought about the location of the tourneys too. It is true that the gambling cities have a bit more of a "glamorous" feel to them, but is this something you really want ESPORTS to be associated with? They call Vegas "Sin City" for a reason. While it is a possible path, I'd rather not see SC2 go down that way.
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I agree. Although you think the way they dressed was sexist? As in it was being forced upon them and they had absoulutely no say in the matter? I sincerely doubt this was the case. Some woman are comfortable to dress that way. Especially aspriring models. I do believe it has no place in presenting a professional event though.
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On April 16 2012 16:59 Imbu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 16:51 milikan wrote:On April 16 2012 16:49 Zidane wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Two of the women in those pics are dressed appropriately. Don't agree with you at all. Depending on which 2 pics you're talking about, I would say that you have a good chance of supporting my argument? I'm saying that the IPL dress was (slightly) inappropriate, not the other ones. I strongly disagree with you on this. First of all, these women choose their own dress, it wasn't that decision of IPL to put them in random dresses. Anna and Susie for example talked about how they wanted to dress this way because it was what they wanted, because it was their choice. How is that degrading of women in esports at all, is letting them have the choice of what to wear that detrimental? They looked much more modest than 90% of women who attend the Golden Globes and other such events, and no one complains about them. As for helping you on the tags here you go [img]http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/IPL4/Day3/504_05555_t.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/o/f/ofalx5qwinxtafxx.jpg[/img]
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Having a dress code is nothing new to any industry at all; I don't think requiring people to wear slacks and a dress shirt to work is "forcing them" to do it at all. In any case, there's a purpose to every article of clothing worn, it's not just a matter of putting on whatever you want. What you wear sends a message. I'm saying that we may want to consider what message we send out.
PS Thanks for the help with the code.
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On April 16 2012 17:06 PandaTank wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I agree. Although you think the way they dressed was sexist? As in it was being forced upon them and they had absoulutely no say in the matter? I sincerely doubt this was the case. Some woman are comfortable to dress that way. Especially aspriring models. I do believe it has no place in presenting a professional event though.
Yeah, I guess it was worded a bit badly. I would say that it appeared sexist, since all the men were dressed professionally, and all the women were dressed, well... for a dinner party? It didn't sound like they minded, but I will say it may not have been the best idea in retrospect.
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Is every other imaginable issue regarding esports already solved? I think it must be, considering there is a blog about this -.-
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This blog is hilarious...
The first thing that came into my mind is race girls:
![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pDK95H0p43g/Sb0XyKb7w0I/AAAAAAAACKk/CBfJNnOUXc0/s400/KoreanRaceGirls_22.jpg)
They are "RUINING M-SPORTS" (m-sports = motorsports).
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On April 16 2012 17:20 enslaved[t] wrote:
Is every other imaginable issue regarding esports already solved? I think it must be, considering there is a blog about this -.-
Well, I managed to convince Dustin Bowder to throw in LAN last night, so I figured I'd tackle this problem next.
On a more serious note, yes, I realize this is not exactly a pressing or super important issue. It was just something I noticed and decided to write a bit about.
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How is a pretty dress sexist?
If they were demanded by someone to dress in one way or the other, with no say on the matter, now that might just be sexist.
I want to wear a pretty dress, but I don't because it might look a bit silly.
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The only thing sexist towards women here is having you tell us how we should and shouldn't dress.
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I too feel like their attire was inappropriate for the occasion. Largely though I feel that it's because there is such a disparity between player attire and the hosts' attire which made for a rather awkward interaction between them. The fact that the hosts knew little about sc2 emphasized this. I don't think an esports event is the best place to show off your sexy elegant outfits when the people you are interviewing don't match it in the slightest.
Ultimately however, I feel that how the hosts dress doesnt make that much of a difference if they could relate to gamers a little better and ask some more interesting questions.
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They're wearing dresses not bikinis, television news anchors wear more revealing clothes than this. What is the male equivalent of a dress anyway? do you think it could be a suit, maybe?
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It's a show not a god damn funeral 
Speaking for myself all of them looked quite professional.
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Seems you're not used to go into casinos or high standing hotels. Not that I'm used to it, but this is super standard to be well dressed, especially for women (:D), in those places.
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This is a different topic, and I agree more on it. The contrast between them and the gamer on stage, focused on his next match can make it awkward.
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Pretty dresses are sexist!
Women must wear uglier clothes!
Perhaps you white knights should realize that the endgame is where you stop thinking it is your place to tell women how to dress.
Also, if you feel those women are scantly dressed, go live in Saudi-Arabia. Though, in Saudi-Arabia I heard some women dare to show off the eyes. WHORES!
And lastly, who gives a shit if they only have a moderate understanding of Starcraft 2? They are running a show, not playing the game itself.
I don't recall anyone asking the Oscar hosts for their opinion on Citizen Kane.
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So your whole problem is that beautiful women that are active members of the SC2 community wore dresses at a live tournament? If Anna started parading about in her Miss Oregon USA swimsuit while she was introducing the players, I might be able to see your point...but she didn't, so I don't.
They looked great - you've got your panties in a twist about nothing.
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On April 16 2012 18:18 MrCon wrote:
Seems you're not used to go into casinos or high standing hotels. Not that I'm used to it, but this is super standard to be well dressed, especially for women (:D), in those places.
I've been to quite a few casinos and I have a totally different experience from you. The women that work there are dressed extremely professional. White blouse and often a black west, no loose hair, totally subdued colors and no revealing outfits at all.
Edit: Better?
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On April 16 2012 18:37 surfinbird1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:18 MrCon wrote:
Seems you're not used to go into casinos or high standing hotels. Not that I'm used to it, but this is super standard to be well dressed, especially for women (:D), in those places. I've been to quite a few casinos and I have a totally different experience from you. The women that work there are dressed extremely professional. White blouse and often a black west, no loose hair, totally subdued and not feminine at all.
Just how I like em.
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uhh no? What about what any of them is wearing is overly sexual? All of them are covered up, and quite frankly, what they're wearing is a lot more modest than some of the other formal gowns you'll find. Having the sides cut out, so to speak, is pretty common in formal gowns. It's also not uncommon to have back exposed or even mid-drift. Not all women wear those dresses, of course, because not all women can and not all women feel comfortable doing so. She has the body to do so and feels pretty in it, so why shouldn't she wear it?
It is sexist because all the women here are being objectified. You guys are making it out as if these women aren't capable of dressing themselves. As if they didn't consciously make the decision to put these clothes on, and, for whatever reason, need to be protected from being sexualized by men. But that's only half right. Yes, there is a tremendous problem with the over sexualization of women in nearly every male dominated community, but it's not because of how we dress. I can tell you from personal experience that it doesn't matter what you're wearing; if you are a lady involved in e-sports there will always someone there to remind you of your genitals and how happy they make him. The last gaming convention I went to I got there after 12 hours of driving. I showed up in jeans and a button up shirt. Basically, I looked terrible. There were still men there going out of there way to talk to me. And there was one guy who kept telling me "if you can't find a seat you could always sit on my lap."
o_o When you attribute their sexualization to what they're wearing you are victim blaming. It is not their fault for choosing to dress a certain way. It's the fault of a community who looks at them and turns them into sexual objects. It's not just e-sports. It's anywhere that has a predominately male fanbase. Look at reddit. Every picture of a girl ever posted on reddit, regardless of what she is wearing, is full of comments made about boobs/someone searching for her gw pics/whether or not they'd bang/or some disgusting combination of the three. We could show up at e-sport conventions dressed in burkas and there'd still be men there to tell us about their penises.
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Did I think the dresses were inappropriate? Not really. These are some fantastic looking women. That being said, of the three you posted I do like the middle dressed one the best simply because I seem to be more drawn to the casual wear. I personally find that appealing that a girl can dress nicely in more casual wear. Obviously Anna looks absolutely astonishing and beautiful in her dress too, as does the Korean caster in her wear. Rachel has the cute casual girl appeal too - the guy who is dating her on here is a very lucky man indeed as you can tell she's a wonderful and generic person. That's a sort of charm that a hot dress can't portray. This is more interesting to me personally than how hot a girl looks as I want to identify with these people as human beings, rather than as sex objects.This is why I've grown to love Rachel's interviews because she portrays a general sense that she's intelligent and loves her job as well as this scene, and I can identify with this. That fact that she's also fantastic to look at, well that's a huge bonus too, but it's really just refreshing to see her energy.
I think the biggest issue is marketing here. If the women are there to help promote (and they are obviously) then if they upstage what the focus should be (ie - the players) and take the focus away from those players, then it's not really accomplishing the goal. If I want to watch hot women in action, I'm more inclined to watch a television series or even porn, not IPL4. I'm watching IPL4 because I want to see some bad-ass games and watch some esports drama unfold in front of my eyes. I honestly don't have a problem with the women going around as long as it's not taking away from that focus. I think it has a place for sure, as mentioned above with Rachel, but it's a balance that we haven't quite gotten yet.
Also there's lots of instances where sex appeal is used to a devastating effect. One could use exams of Nascar, motorsports, pro-wrestling, even boxing. It just depends on which direction esports wants to go into.
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Anna looked very well dressed and formal. I don't understand your point. It looks professional and definitly not sex appeal.
She is the host and it is normal for her to be more glamorous than casters etc
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Honestly I think any post that makes reference to "hurting ESPORTS" should result in a warning.
For gods sake just say you didnt like the outfits. Why do people have to pretend like they are objectively protecting the entire progaming establishment from destruction or other such ridiculousness.
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This is another front in the ideological battle that is occurring with video games becoming a spectator sport. Professional sports players are more popular if they're good looking, which in all likelihood affects their chances of being scouted, drafted, sponsored, etc. BW progamers go through hair and makeup every time they play a live game. I have no idea if SC2 players do, too, but I would assume so.
The naturalised truth of the media is that aesthetics is just important, if not more important, than anything knowledge, personality and skill. You want someone to watch your production, you have to cast someone who people will enjoy looking at - which is why the vast majority of successful actors are beautiful, or at least, aesthetically interesting, people. It sounds shallow, but it's about as shallow as men only wanting to sleep with "hot" women.
Realistically, if this were a television studio production, the producers would have been telling those girls what to wear, or very likely have narrowed it down for them - not only for sponsorship/advertising purposes, but also for the issue that has been raised here, which is appropriateness. Experienced producers should know their audience. They would also, I'm assuming, play it safe. I doubt anyone would have complained about people dressing too casually for the event, given the gaming context (casual, fun, not really glamorous) - especially if everyone was at roughly the same level of formality, which seems to be the problem here.
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I dont think it matters that much what they wear tbh. In time, a certain style will begin to prevail. The only thing these ladies need to take into consideration that the more serious you dress the more serious you will be taken. I suppose that any style could work for e-sports, but my personal preferance is definetely, the clothing style of the korean GSL lady. She always seems very classy and dressed appropriately for whatever the event was (I recall her wearing a (classy) dress during GSL finals).
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On April 16 2012 18:51 pedostare wrote:uhh no? What about what any of them is wearing is overly sexual? All of them are covered up, and quite frankly, what they're wearing is a lot more modest than some of the other formal gowns you'll find. Having the sides cut out, so to speak, is pretty common in formal gowns. It's also not uncommon to have back exposed or even mid-drift. Not all women wear those dresses, of course, because not all women can and not all women feel comfortable doing so. She has the body to do so and feels pretty in it, so why shouldn't she wear it? It is sexist because all the women here are being objectified. You guys are making it out as if these women aren't capable of dressing themselves. As if they didn't consciously make the decision to put these clothes on, and, for whatever reason, need to be protected from being sexualized by men. But that's only half right. Yes, there is a tremendous problem with the over sexualization of women in nearly every male dominated community, but it's not because of how we dress. I can tell you from personal experience that it doesn't matter what you're wearing; if you are a lady involved in e-sports there will always someone there to remind you of your genitals and how happy they make him. The last gaming convention I went to I got there after 12 hours of driving. I showed up in jeans and a button up shirt. Basically, I looked terrible. There were still men there going out of there way to talk to me. And there was one guy who kept telling me "if you can't find a seat you could always sit on my lap." o_o When you attribute their sexualization to what they're wearing you are victim blaming. It is not their fault for choosing to dress a certain way. It's the fault of a community who looks at them and turns them into sexual objects. It's not just e-sports. It's anywhere that has a predominately male fanbase. Look at reddit. Every picture of a girl ever posted on reddit, regardless of what she is wearing, is full of comments made about boobs/someone searching for her gw pics/whether or not they'd bang/or some disgusting combination of the three. We could show up at e-sport conventions dressed in burkas and there'd still be men there to tell us about their penises.
I am going to use an example here. Almost all major sport tends to have women sideline reporters. They are typically dressed business casuallyish. It has become the norm and is expected. Similar to having all of the male tv talent be in a suit. Most of the viewers here for esports probably grew up watching football on TV with reporters like Erin Andrews. She is stunning, and ESPN could ask her to be in a cocktail dress at every event, but they don't. She typically is in pretty modest clothing, revealing very little in the way of skin, when working at a sporting event.
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Watching someone in a cocktail dress interview someone in a T-shirt and sweats is awkward and feels extremely forced. Some of that is likely a result of conditioning of what to expect as far as player interviews. Anyhow every major network has a pretty similar dress code for their sideline interviewers, it is probably because it works.
It is not their fault for choosing to dress a certain way. And your right, like all the other talent at IPL they are most likely given guidelines as to what to wear by the stream producers ect.
You guys are making it out as if these women aren't capable of dressing themselves. As if they didn't consciously make the decision to put these clothes on, and, for whatever reason, need to be protected from being sexualized by men. Relatively certain they are receiving input what is expected as far as dress code from the stream producers, as they are acting as representatives of IGN. And if they are not being given guidelines as to what to wear they should be, just like the guys.
I am sorry that you feel that everyone who talks to you mentions their penis
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On April 16 2012 19:30 sob3k wrote:
Honestly I think any post that makes reference to "hurting ESPORTS" should result in a warning.
For gods sake just say you didnt like the outfits. Why do people have to pretend like they are objectively protecting the entire progaming establishment from destruction or other such ridiculousness.
If that was the case I should get a warning every time I post.
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On April 16 2012 18:37 surfinbird1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:18 MrCon wrote:
Seems you're not used to go into casinos or high standing hotels. Not that I'm used to it, but this is super standard to be well dressed, especially for women (:D), in those places. I've been to quite a few casinos and I have a totally different experience from you. The women that work there are dressed extremely professional. White blouse and often a black west, no loose hair, totally subdued colors and no revealing outfits at all. Edit: Better?
I didn't mean women who are working there, but mostly customers. You see everything, from "normal" to very well dressed women. It's really common in Vegas.
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If you ask around a bit, I'm fairly certain democracy will say that they did not mind their outfitting whatsoever.
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some mad people here huh. This isnt about people telling woman what to wear, this is about the dresses being out of place at an event were people dresses casually.
Its like showing up in formal clothes to a casual party... Its gonna be awkward.
Personally i dont give a damn about how they dress but it doesnt change the fact that the tournament loses value if the host/hostess seems awkward/out of place to half the viewers.
also you cant compare this to motorsports and boxing. The number girls in boxing and the models at motorsport events have only one job and that is to be sexy and attract attention. These girls job was alot more than being sexy, and if you want to be taken serious at these jobs you dress accordingly nomatter if your male or female that is just the way the real world works.
(also the suits the male casters and hosts wear are normally dark colours and pretty bland, if they showed up in a flashy white suit it would also be out of place.)
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To me the contrast in the formal/informal dress of the female announcers / progamers only highlighted the ridiculous roles they were asked to play.
Announcer - "Hey guys! Are you exited, WELL ARE YA? (plz make some noise). Ok let me introduce Player A & B. Player A, what strategy are you going to use to beat your opponent?"
Player - "uh, I can't tell you that"
A - "Excellent! So, what do you think of the USA, do you like hamburgers?"
P - "Uh, why are you asking me this stupid question right before I play my big game, are you not interested in SC2 at all? wtf, hambugers?"
A - "Excellent! so do you have fighting words for your opponent, like do you hate him or want to BM him in any way (because we like that)
P - "no I think he's a great player and I hope we have a good game"
A - "Excellent! So, shake hands really awkwardly because it's not the custom in your country and I'll hand you over to the males who will talk about the game because they know what they are talking about"
The trivial roles all the females were asked to play really was sexist. There is nothing wrong with being attractive, and I certainly don't think less of Anna and the rest, but there comes a point when you have male geeks casting the games supported by attractive dolled-up females performing a menial role, when you have to start asking questions in my opinion.
How about Anna and Rachel and Megumi actually do the same jobs as the boys, and they can all share the introducing/casting duties?
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And why do we have that discussion?
Because progamers are still those skinny nerds who are too shy to say anything and stand there like a Neanderthal. Thats especially true for the korean players. Foreigners are adjusting it seems but are still miles away from what is needed.
E-Sports is the sport where the star players are presented in such a bad way compared to other sports or even other celebrities - it gets to me everytime.
THEY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PRESENT THEMSELVES. It is part of their job. Part of the business they are in. Like it or not.
That includes proper clothing and overall look and behaviour on stage and in interviews. They obviously need a coach, a manager or a whole backup team to achieve this.
After that is done the whole situation with overdressed female moderators is nullified.
PS: I think what Kennigit wrote on reddit is totally wrong. If we go on with this kind of thinking E-Sports will stagnate. Take it to the next level! Instead of saying "the females are overdressed in a bad way". Say "the players are not presented in a proper way for an event like that!"
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On April 16 2012 18:03 alhazrel wrote:
They're wearing dresses not bikinis, television news anchors wear more revealing clothes than this. What is the male equivalent of a dress anyway? do you think it could be a suit, maybe?
No. Television news anchors don't wear more revealing clothes than that.
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On April 16 2012 21:38 chroniX wrote:
And why do we have that discussion?
Because progamers are still those skinny nerds who are too shy to say anything and stand there like a Neanderthal. Thats especially true for the korean players. Foreigners are adjusting it seems but are still miles away from what is needed.
E-Sports is the sport where the star players are presented in such a bad way compared to other sports or even other celebrities - it gets to me everytime.
THEY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PRESENT THEMSELVES. It is part of their job. Part of the business they are in. Like it or not.
That includes proper clothing and overall look and behaviour on stage and in interviews. They obviously need a coach, a manager or a whole backup team to achieve this.
After that is done the whole situation with overdressed female moderators is nullified.
PS: I think what Kennigit wrote on reddit is totally wrong. If we go on with this kind of thinking E-Sports will stagnate. Take it to the next level! Instead of saying "the females are overdressed in a bad way". Say "the players are not presented in a proper way for an event like that!"
What makes you think the players are not presented appropriately for the event? You think they should all be playing in suits?
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On April 16 2012 21:38 chroniX wrote:
And why do we have that discussion?
Because progamers are still those skinny nerds who are too shy to say anything and stand there like a Neanderthal. Thats especially true for the korean players. Foreigners are adjusting it seems but are still miles away from what is needed.
E-Sports is the sport where the star players are presented in such a bad way compared to other sports or even other celebrities - it gets to me everytime.
THEY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PRESENT THEMSELVES. It is part of their job. Part of the business they are in. Like it or not.
That includes proper clothing and overall look and behaviour on stage and in interviews. They obviously need a coach, a manager or a whole backup team to achieve this.
After that is done the whole situation with overdressed female moderators is nullified.
PS: I think what Kennigit wrote on reddit is totally wrong. If we go on with this kind of thinking E-Sports will stagnate. Take it to the next level! Instead of saying "the females are overdressed in a bad way". Say "the players are not presented in a proper way for an event like that!"
Players in a team jersey and a decent pair of pants are fine. It is better if they have the full uniform with pants, but still not completely necessary. Players are there to represent their sponsors, to do that they need to be wearing the team jersey.
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I think its fine to add sex appeal its not like EG has a cheeleader squad on the side of the stage during an idra match?
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No, I don't agree. That is nonsense. First of all, as a man, you should not tell a woman what to wear. Women wear things that men might find weird, or strange, or too sexual, or not sexual, whatever. It's their choice as is yours, and they are competing amongst themselves with fancy dresses and whatever. You do not and would not understand.
Second, you have no right to comment on what they should be wearing. That is an issue between her and the production team. Her clothing, very objectively, does not affect your viewing experience of the SC2 matches.
Third, Kennigit's comments are just as stupid. Presenters have a foreground role and serve as eyecatchers. What works in Seoul does not work in Las Vegas. To say that the focus should be on the players who are on stage 99.99% of the time instead of the women who are on stage for 15 seconds between matches, is absurd in itself.
To summarise, grow up and stop looking at women so much.
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On April 16 2012 22:38 HeeroFX wrote:
I think its fine to add sex appeal its not like EG has a cheeleader squad on the side of the stage during an idra match?
Although if they're thinking about having one, I'd be the first to sign up.
On topic: I don't mind the female hosts being dressed *differently* than the male hosts, as long as it's the same caliber of professionalism. (And by that I mean that I don't want to see the women wearing the same robotic silver or turquoise ties as the men.) That means that if we see all the male hosts (which includes casters, in my opinion- really any famous personality that's helping to run the show on the big screen or main stage) wear suits and ties, I don't really expect to see the women in cocktail dresses. That's not to say that I often see that as the case, or that I'm surprised when sex appeal is flaunted, but I do think that the female hosts should look more mature than the generic Dr. Pepper girl.
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lol another hurting esports thread
girls can wear what they want to wear - nobody is going to shy away from e-sports because we have fashionable ladies or sharp dressed men
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On April 16 2012 23:13 Jinsho wrote:
No, I don't agree. That is nonsense. First of all, as a man, you should not tell a woman what to wear. Women wear things that men might find weird, or strange, or too sexual, or not sexual, whatever. It's their choice as is yours, and they are competing amongst themselves with fancy dresses and whatever. You do not and would not understand.
Second, you have no right to comment on what they should be wearing. That is an issue between her and the production team. Her clothing, very objectively, does not affect your viewing experience of the SC2 matches.
Third, Kennigit's comments are just as stupid. Presenters have a foreground role and serve as eyecatchers. What works in Seoul does not work in Las Vegas. To say that the focus should be on the players who are on stage 99.99% of the time instead of the women who are on stage for 15 seconds between matches, is absurd in itself.
To summarise, grow up and stop looking at women so much.
1. I don't think anyone from this thread is forcing their decisions on the women. We're just having a discussion over professionalism vs. sexuality. And, for the record, their bosses probably have a say in what they wear. And their bosses may be men (although I can't say for sure).
2. We absolutely do have a right to comment on such things, in the same way we have a right to comment on any other aspect of a tournament or environment. You can disagree with others' opinions, but as the community who is showing up to live events and watching online tournaments, receiving and acknowledging feedback and criticism is vital to the success of an organization. You have no right to tell us that we have no right to voice our opinions. It's just important for both sides to justify their opinions.
3. "Kennigit's comments are just as stupid." Not a very solid argument, in my opinion. I personally think that the winner of an important match, who's now getting a much-deserved interview, should be the focus of the stage, rather than the interviewer, but- again- that's my opinion (and the opinion of many others).
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I don't think it's sexist or such that they wear those dresses, they are free to wear whatever they want if they like it.
However, i agree that it is out of place. Lots of (in many cases, exceptions exist) poorly and mostly black&white dressed nerds and then a woman in a glittering, red cocktail dress in the front. That just seems awkward.
I'm not saying Anna or her colleagues should dress poorly but it's like work, you don't dress perfectly, you dress just one step above everyone else.
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the attire does not really bother me, but the thing I don't really like is that IPL is trying to push the sex appeal by using female hosts/presenters
I think it hurts the presentation of their product because while I think someone like Rachel does a good job in that role due to her knowledge and experience in the industry, I think someone like Anna is more lacking and generally evokes too much of a pageantry, formal vibe that does not fit the sports portion of "eSports"
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On April 16 2012 23:13 Jinsho wrote:
No, I don't agree. That is nonsense. First of all, as a man, you should not tell a woman what to wear. Women wear things that men might find weird, or strange, or too sexual, or not sexual, whatever. It's their choice as is yours, and they are competing amongst themselves with fancy dresses and whatever. You do not and would not understand.
Why does it matter if it is man-to-man, woman-to-woman, man-to-woman, or woman-to-man communication. Is it okay for me to suggest that Khaldor casts shirtless to increase sex appeal, or for me to suggest that tasteless and artosis should wear Hawaiian shirts to tone down the seriousness of their look? No one should be able to force some one else to not wear something, but people can comment on the appropriateness of it anyway.
Second, you have no right to comment on what they should be wearing. That is an issue between her and the production team. Her clothing, very objectively, does not affect your viewing experience of the SC2 matches.
The production, interviews, etc. are part of the show. We have no right to force them to do something, but we can comment and hope they listen if we provide useful constructive criticism. In the end if they make too many mistakes and don't improve, others who do improve and make less mistakes will overtake them.
I rarely bothered listen to between match interviews partly because of how awkward they were (players and the interview itself) and how poorly constructed some of the questions were. Trying to induce informal banter and casual back-and-forth does not work well for pre- or post-match interviews, especially when interviewing someone with a bad grasp of the English language.
If you showed interview footage from IPL to a normal person and asked if it was produced by ESPN they would clearly be able to catch on to the fact that this is not ESPN-level production.
Third, Kennigit's comments are just as stupid. Presenters have a foreground role and serve as eyecatchers. What works in Seoul does not work in Las Vegas. To say that the focus should be on the players who are on stage 99.99% of the time instead of the women who are on stage for 15 seconds between matches, is absurd in itself.
You need to cater to your audience, and the online audience is very important too. Arguably more important than the live audience. Even if it is normal dress in Las Vegas, the attire of progamers are not normal in Las Vegas so the stark contrast between the presenters and the players creates awkward tension. This may be okay in some circumstance like in a one-to-one conversation where you might want the opposing part to be a little uncomfortable, but for the purposes of a nice interview awkwardness like that is terrible.
In some situations presenters serve as the center of attention and should stand out and attract attention, but in other circumstance they should lead discussion and bring out the best in others (specifically players in this case). When interviewing a player the attention should be directed to the INTERVIEWEE, not the interviewer.
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Yeahhh this has always made me a bit uncomfortable...
Is it hurting E-Sports?
No. E-Sports will continue to grow regardless of whether or not the women wear cocktail dresses. I'd argue that the rate of growth will also be uninhibited.
The on-stage interviews, awards ceremonies and things of that nature are awkward enough already. From a strictly personal preference perspective, I believe that if you wouldn't wear it to the office Monday morning, you probably shouldn't wear it to an event like this. But again, I think that's perhaps more deeply rooted in my own beliefs rather than a strict sense of "right" or "wrong".
Having that said, I'd like to address a topic that is being discussed in the thread: the fact that the dresses are the womens' choice. And while I'd be remiss to not acknowledge the fact that the beautiful women of IPL do indeed consciously elect to wear their dresses to the events, I do believe they should be held to the same standards as the men. That is to say that the producers should be able to define what is appropriate and what is not.
To draw a facetious example, I'm pretty certain that the producers would ask Artosis to change his outfit if he showed up wearing something like this:
![[image loading]](http://style.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/chris-brown-red-jacket-no-shirt-full-body.jpg)
TLDR; The choice of apparel is not hurting E-Sports and decisions regarding what is appropriate are probably rooted pretty deeply in personal preference. Television has set a precedent about what types of clothing are traditionally acceptable in this type of setting (vaguely categorized as "business casual"), and it should be up to the producers to enforce this standard for both the men and women of their production.
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On April 16 2012 23:32 udgnim wrote:
the attire does not really bother me, but the thing I don't really like is that IPL is trying to push the sex appeal by using female hosts/presenters
I think it hurts the presentation of their product because while I think someone like Rachel does a good job in that role due to her knowledge and experience in the industry, I think someone like Anna is more lacking and generally evokes too much of a pageantry, formal vibe that does not fit the sports portion of "eSports"
I think that is an unfair assessment of Anna's capabilities. She's as articulate and interesting as anyone in the Starcraft 2 scene, and I'm sure she could do a lot of things with her time if she wasn't interested and involved in it.
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came in here expecting a tumblr of hot esports chicks in dresses, left the blog disappoint
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On April 17 2012 00:14 matiK23 wrote:
came in here expecting a tumblr of hot esports chicks in dresses, left the blog disappoint
I also left disappointed. :/
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On April 16 2012 22:32 feanor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 21:38 chroniX wrote:
And why do we have that discussion?
Because progamers are still those skinny nerds who are too shy to say anything and stand there like a Neanderthal. Thats especially true for the korean players. Foreigners are adjusting it seems but are still miles away from what is needed.
E-Sports is the sport where the star players are presented in such a bad way compared to other sports or even other celebrities - it gets to me everytime.
THEY HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO PRESENT THEMSELVES. It is part of their job. Part of the business they are in. Like it or not.
That includes proper clothing and overall look and behaviour on stage and in interviews. They obviously need a coach, a manager or a whole backup team to achieve this.
After that is done the whole situation with overdressed female moderators is nullified.
PS: I think what Kennigit wrote on reddit is totally wrong. If we go on with this kind of thinking E-Sports will stagnate. Take it to the next level! Instead of saying "the females are overdressed in a bad way". Say "the players are not presented in a proper way for an event like that!" Players in a team jersey and a decent pair of pants are fine. It is better if they have the full uniform with pants, but still not completely necessary. Players are there to represent their sponsors, to do that they need to be wearing the team jersey.
I don't think this is really what he means. (Although, you have to note that a number of players don't generally dress very well depending on the uniform - and the uniforms themselves are on the distinctly casual side. But some look very sharp, still.) I think what he is pointing at is the players' ability to interact with the hosts/interviewers. Look at, for example, a Tom Brady or David Beckham - if they are being interviewed, do they just stand there and give short answers? Even when they are being complete idiots, they are at least trying to have a conversation. Most pro players seem to be shy, or impatient, and just want to get it over. People interviewing sports figures often do not have a depth of knowledge on the sport in question - but they don't have to, because they can ask simple questions and follow them up based on the answers. That... doesn't really happen a lot in any SC2 event. I think people are focusing on the clothes aspect as why things are "awkward" but that's a red herring. The clothes don't matter as much as the players not being able or willing to meet some interviewers halfway. (It may be a translation issue, when it comes to Koreans - Smix (<3) translating really made those interviews 'live' for me.) Being a pro is mostly about being bad-ass in a game, but there's a reason why Tim Tebow is a name most people know even though he's not a really great QB - he's also very personable.
+ Show Spoiler + I'm in Florida, so if I never post again - someone found out I didn't acknowledge Tim Tebow as the Second Coming, and they have punished me for it. Warn others.
It's part of why MC and inControl are the names they are, despite one having a down few months and the other one (sorry, man) having a down year or two. Players obviously must be great players, but if you want to get people that don't know about StarCraft interested, you need them to have a reason to care about the players - which is tough if the players aren't interested really in talking to them. (Or in talking to them engagingly - for example "Fuck Fionn!" from Huk.)
When you're watching a sports interview, do you even notice what the interviewer is wearing? Not if the interviewer and the person getting interviewed are both engaging. (Within reason... which everything seemed to be at IPL4.)
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Aren't you talking about IPL events that are being held in Vegas and Atlantic City? In these geographic contexts I don't see the issue with Anna or Trisha's attire. I agree it sure is awkward, as Kennigit said, to see glam next to nerds, but that's just the fault of the juxtaposition and our expectations clashing.
The girls and guys looked great. I would ask the girls who attended the event if they were focused on any of the hot guys on stage? Attraction is gonna be a topic whenever a human being is under a light. Take a look at the BW scene and all the fangirls. Much of the BW culture is about how cute Bisu, or Jaedong, or Xellos are, but there are still great games so I don't mind the gossipy sideshow.
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On April 16 2012 17:22 Azzur wrote:This blog is hilarious... The first thing that came into my mind is race girls: They are "RUINING M-SPORTS" (m-sports = motorsports).
Most confusing pic I have seen in a while.
A girl with three arms and a dislocated hip. I mean fetishes are fine with me but come on..
On topic:
"Hot Chicks in Dresses" is not what it should be about I think.
Rather about female commentators trying to be more than the cute girl or the hot chick in the dress
in a mainly men dominated genre. Also being a representing voice for the female community in SC2.
On the other hand it's always about the booth girls / random hot chicks or whatever other cute/sexy person at the tourneys.
Sex sells. It's that easy.
But I hope that's not the beginning of girls dancing on poles between games.
I'm watching esports to watch good games and enjoy good commentators.
Not half naked girls trying to convince me that sennheiser headphones are the best or I definitely need HD stream pass.
At the recent events the female commentators were dressed fine in my eyes (sounds strange discussing dress codes :D).
Although Anna's dress was a bit too glittering in my eyes and kinda didn't fit for the occasion.
But that's maybe only me.
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I think the comparison between an on-stage host and a sideline reporter is pretty flawed, but I do agree something is off about the female hosts of IPL, I don't know think its as simple as the attire though.
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On April 16 2012 23:38 neSix wrote:
Having that said, I'd like to address a topic that is being discussed in the thread: the fact that the dresses are the womens' choice. And while I'd be remiss to not acknowledge the fact that the beautiful women of IPL do indeed consciously elect to wear their dresses to the events, I do believe they should be held to the same standards as the men. That is to say that the producers should be able to define what is appropriate and what is not.
To me, the definition of sexist is treating someone differently based on their sex; that's why I threw in that word. In retrospect, it was a dumb thing to do, since that word elicts a very strong response in a lot of people.
On April 16 2012 23:32 udgnim wrote:
the attire does not really bother me, but the thing I don't really like is that IPL is trying to push the sex appeal by using female hosts/presenters
I think it hurts the presentation of their product because while I think someone like Rachel does a good job in that role due to her knowledge and experience in the industry, I think someone like Anna is more lacking and generally evokes too much of a pageantry, formal vibe that does not fit the sports portion of "eSports"
Now, not allowing females to host/present would be straight up sexism, with an easy solution being professional dress attire imo. I completely agree with the second part about hurting the production with a lack of knowledge thoguh. I know this isn't the first time someone has complained or whined about this, but I think that the pain comes in extra strong when you have the interviewers not looking super professional too.
This topic was kinda hard for me to write on. It's more than just what the female hosts wore; there's a fundamental disconnect when you have ladies dolled and dressed up in a room full filled of men in professional attire. Throw in some progamer in-person awkwardness and ladies and gentlemen, you have a stage full of curious and wierd interactions to break down!
To all the people saying that it's sexist to tell someone how to dress, I have two words for you: "dress code". I don't know why you haven't encountered this phrase already, but this is something almost universally used to tell people what to wear.
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god knows meta-esports is more fun than actual esports
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To all the people saying that it's sexist to tell someone how to dress, I have two words for you: "dress code". I don't know why you haven't encountered this phrase already, but this is something almost universally used to tell people what to wear.
Making dress codes is fine, but that isn't the case here.
It is exclusively men telling women how they must dress, and if they don't like using the word must, they replace it with should.
"You really should dress more modestly. You don't have to, but you really should."
So don't bring up dress code. Nobody is talking about dress codes. Everyone is talking about how women must dress.
And if these women don't dress to their standards, they consider it their right to call them anything from sluts to whores. The reverse doesn't seem to be happening.
So, once again, don't bring up dress codes. This is about men telling women how they should dress in order to avoid insult or ridicule.
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I wouldn't say it's sexist or anything. If I recall correctly, a lot of the girls at IPL4 chose to wear a dress, and I'm pretty sure the ones who had to wear a dress weren't forced into a skimpy one. Kennigit and his Reddit post cover the issue better. It's not sexism or anything like that, it's a different issue entirely.
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On April 16 2012 17:22 Azzur wrote:This blog is hilarious... The first thing that came into my mind is race girls: They are "RUINING M-SPORTS" (m-sports = motorsports).
Wtf is wrong with the girl in the pic. Lol broken spine/hip?
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If anything, the fact that wearing a dress is seen as "cheaply sold sex" says a lot more about the community's maturity level and Victorian ethic than it does about the women who actually wear them. Essentially all you're doing is criticizing women for professional and "too hot" at the same time, yet there are hardly women in bikinis strutting around with a microphone. I think if you feel as if they're not dressed adequately enough to the point where you find them too distracting, based on the tameness of what these women choose to wear, the problem is on you and not them.
It seems to bother you that SC2 might not be so male centric anymore, or that women are just too problematic, like an all male boarding school headmaster who believes the young men musn't get distracted by the temptresses. You overlook the fact that a pretty red dress and makeup is hardly a big deal for more mature and adult audiences. So maybe you should focus on criticizing the maturity level of the community, and possibly yourself, if it can't handle something as pathetic as a woman wearing something mildly formal to an event that wants to take pride in its formality. Let's try to get passed being hypersensitive over women in the community being "attention whores", especially considering how many male ones already exist in the SC2 community overall. And let's not kid ourselves about the rampant subtle sexism affecting how receptive we are to female gamers and, sadly, female figures in general. If there is an ounce of truth at all in the "attention whore" stereotype, The community is so off-putting to most women that the only ones desperate enough to put up with the abuse in the spotlight TEND to be "attention whores", and the sooner that's realized, the sooner things will get better.
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On April 20 2012 06:01 Vesperidone wrote:+ Show Spoiler +If anything, the fact that wearing a dress is seen as "cheaply sold sex" says a lot more about the community's maturity level and Victorian ethic than it does about the women who actually wear them. Essentially all you're doing is criticizing women for professional and "too hot" at the same time, yet there are hardly women in bikinis strutting around with a microphone. I think if you feel as if they're not dressed adequately enough to the point where you find them too distracting, based on the tameness of what these women choose to wear, the problem is on you and not them. It seems to bother you that SC2 might not be so male centric anymore, or that women are just too problematic, like an all male boarding school headmaster who believes the young men musn't get distracted by the temptresses. You overlook the fact that a pretty red dress and makeup is hardly a big deal for more mature and adult audiences. So maybe you should focus on criticizing the maturity level of the community, and possibly yourself, if it can't handle something as pathetic as a woman wearing something mildly formal to an event that wants to take pride in its formality. Let's try to get passed being hypersensitive over women in the community being "attention whores", especially considering how many male ones already exist in the SC2 community overall. And let's not kid ourselves about the rampant subtle sexism affecting how receptive we are to female gamers and, sadly, female figures in general. If there is an ounce of truth at all in the "attention whore" stereotype, The community is so off-putting to most women that the only ones desperate enough to put up with the abuse in the spotlight TEND to be "attention whores", and the sooner that's realized, the sooner things will get better.
I have rarely read a more flamey put-words-in-yo-mouth completely full of bullsh*t post on TL
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The prom queen dresses just don't fit in. There's a stage with two nerds killing each other in a video game while wearing t-shirts and jeans. And then suddenly there's Miss Oregon in full attire. What is the point they (the women) are trying to make? The huge disparity in appearance and clothing just adds to the awkwardness that is always so dangerously close during e-sports events.
Now this is exactly what they should be wearing. Still sexy, still very feminine but way less in-your-face. Great example.
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On April 20 2012 06:01 Vesperidone wrote:If anything, the fact that wearing a dress is seen as "cheaply sold sex" says a lot more about the community's maturity level and Victorian ethic than it does about the women who actually wear them. Essentially all you're doing is criticizing women for professional and "too hot" at the same time, yet there are hardly women in bikinis strutting around with a microphone. I think if you feel as if they're not dressed adequately enough to the point where you find them too distracting, based on the tameness of what these women choose to wear, the problem is on you and not them. It seems to bother you that SC2 might not be so male centric anymore, or that women are just too problematic, like an all male boarding school headmaster who believes the young men musn't get distracted by the temptresses. You overlook the fact that a pretty red dress and makeup is hardly a big deal for more mature and adult audiences. So maybe you should focus on criticizing the maturity level of the community, and possibly yourself, if it can't handle something as pathetic as a woman wearing something mildly formal to an event that wants to take pride in its formality. Let's try to get passed being hypersensitive over women in the community being "attention whores", especially considering how many male ones already exist in the SC2 community overall. And let's not kid ourselves about the rampant subtle sexism affecting how receptive we are to female gamers and, sadly, female figures in general. If there is an ounce of truth at all in the "attention whore" stereotype, The community is so off-putting to most women that the only ones desperate enough to put up with the abuse in the spotlight TEND to be "attention whores", and the sooner that's realized, the sooner things will get better.
those dresses are no where near professional. it's like if your friends asked you to kickback / hang out at their house and you showed up wearing a ballroom dress they'd be like 'lol wtf ok whatever'. but then if you kept doing it, it'd just look stupid, out of place, and unnecessarily narcissistic.
someone tell me in which world is a sparkly red partially cut mini dress considered formal
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On April 20 2012 10:04 dontforgetosmile wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 06:01 Vesperidone wrote:If anything, the fact that wearing a dress is seen as "cheaply sold sex" says a lot more about the community's maturity level and Victorian ethic than it does about the women who actually wear them. Essentially all you're doing is criticizing women for professional and "too hot" at the same time, yet there are hardly women in bikinis strutting around with a microphone. I think if you feel as if they're not dressed adequately enough to the point where you find them too distracting, based on the tameness of what these women choose to wear, the problem is on you and not them. It seems to bother you that SC2 might not be so male centric anymore, or that women are just too problematic, like an all male boarding school headmaster who believes the young men musn't get distracted by the temptresses. You overlook the fact that a pretty red dress and makeup is hardly a big deal for more mature and adult audiences. So maybe you should focus on criticizing the maturity level of the community, and possibly yourself, if it can't handle something as pathetic as a woman wearing something mildly formal to an event that wants to take pride in its formality. Let's try to get passed being hypersensitive over women in the community being "attention whores", especially considering how many male ones already exist in the SC2 community overall. And let's not kid ourselves about the rampant subtle sexism affecting how receptive we are to female gamers and, sadly, female figures in general. If there is an ounce of truth at all in the "attention whore" stereotype, The community is so off-putting to most women that the only ones desperate enough to put up with the abuse in the spotlight TEND to be "attention whores", and the sooner that's realized, the sooner things will get better. those dresses are no where near professional. it's like if your friends asked you to kickback / hang out at their house and you showed up wearing a ballroom dress they'd be like 'lol wtf ok whatever'. but then if you kept doing it, it'd just look stupid, out of place, and unnecessarily narcissistic. someone tell me in which world is a sparkly red partially cut mini dress considered formal
"kicking back" at your friend's house isn't a formal setting. No wonder this is even an issue; people in this community have no sense of how the world works.
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On April 20 2012 08:28 PraefektMotus wrote:The prom queen dresses just don't fit in. There's a stage with two nerds killing each other in a video game while wearing t-shirts and jeans. And then suddenly there's Miss Oregon in full attire. What is the point they (the women) are trying to make? The huge disparity in appearance and clothing just adds to the awkwardness that is always so dangerously close during e-sports events. Now this is exactly what they should be wearing. Still sexy, still very feminine but way less in-your-face. Great example.
Well, I don't know about you but that pic is still in-my-face. But in a good way if you know what I mean :D.
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IPL was also in Vegas. So there is that to consider.
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I missed that original reddit post, very interesting to read, thanks for linking it!
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On April 20 2012 15:21 Vesperidone wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 10:04 dontforgetosmile wrote:On April 20 2012 06:01 Vesperidone wrote:If anything, the fact that wearing a dress is seen as "cheaply sold sex" says a lot more about the community's maturity level and Victorian ethic than it does about the women who actually wear them. Essentially all you're doing is criticizing women for professional and "too hot" at the same time, yet there are hardly women in bikinis strutting around with a microphone. I think if you feel as if they're not dressed adequately enough to the point where you find them too distracting, based on the tameness of what these women choose to wear, the problem is on you and not them. It seems to bother you that SC2 might not be so male centric anymore, or that women are just too problematic, like an all male boarding school headmaster who believes the young men musn't get distracted by the temptresses. You overlook the fact that a pretty red dress and makeup is hardly a big deal for more mature and adult audiences. So maybe you should focus on criticizing the maturity level of the community, and possibly yourself, if it can't handle something as pathetic as a woman wearing something mildly formal to an event that wants to take pride in its formality. Let's try to get passed being hypersensitive over women in the community being "attention whores", especially considering how many male ones already exist in the SC2 community overall. And let's not kid ourselves about the rampant subtle sexism affecting how receptive we are to female gamers and, sadly, female figures in general. If there is an ounce of truth at all in the "attention whore" stereotype, The community is so off-putting to most women that the only ones desperate enough to put up with the abuse in the spotlight TEND to be "attention whores", and the sooner that's realized, the sooner things will get better. those dresses are no where near professional. it's like if your friends asked you to kickback / hang out at their house and you showed up wearing a ballroom dress they'd be like 'lol wtf ok whatever'. but then if you kept doing it, it'd just look stupid, out of place, and unnecessarily narcissistic. someone tell me in which world is a sparkly red partially cut mini dress considered formal "kicking back" at your friend's house isn't a formal setting. No wonder this is even an issue; people in this community have no sense of how the world works. LOL. it's more funny because you still think that that's proper formal attire.
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