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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
March 27 2012 01:02 GMT
#21
honestly almost every single person around me still have no clue about esports. Wether i am looking at a game also watched by thousands of people or just a few doesn't really matter in the end. What matters is this is what i enjoy.

I don't see why you make such a big case of BW slowly fading out. As long as there are good games being played you can still watch them. Hell there are people still playing WC2 and making VODs of it. As long as there are players and tournaments the game is never dead.
twitter@RickyMarou
insourcecertainty
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States142 Posts
March 27 2012 01:04 GMT
#22
I come to TL for news as well as SC tbh. If they had a weather forum I would never leave the site.
aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
March 27 2012 01:14 GMT
#23
One chapter in you life may be closing but another chapter will open.
A lock that opens to many keys is a bad lock. A key that opens many locks is a master key.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 01:17:39
March 27 2012 01:17 GMT
#24
I came for SC2 I stayed for BW and I will continue stay for the community

and kpop.
WriterXiao8~~
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 27 2012 01:27 GMT
#25
On March 27 2012 10:01 Abort Retry Fail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 08:14 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:13 ninazerg wrote:
I feel bad that the only ID you could come up with was "Shaftofpleasure". As a consolation, I'll let you know where to find the BroodWar section on Teamliquid.

You can find it here.



Is my ID really that bad?

May I reply on this? I've always been intrigued by your ID. It seems like a name that you just thought of half hazardly when you had to register, and then you realize you're gonna be stuck with it.

Anyway, yes, what they are doing to BW is horrible. Dafuq with that PL format!!!


This is apparently a very thought-out ID.


On March 27 2012 08:49 maareek wrote:
In the hearts of those of us who love(d?) it, BW will never die. Like those amazing days of childhood, the time you spent enjoying BW and the matches of those who played it will stay with you. If you choose to leave here, don't hang your head. If you've gained any joy from your time here, treasure that, and don't worry if the inevitable has proven inescapable.

You say you were here for Bisu v Savior? Then may you never believe in the impossible. For those of us who were here longer, we may always keep other moments with us. From the OSL finals between iloveoov and Boxer we can always be reminded that the joy of defeat may at times be sweeter than the agony of victory. To those who watched Savior's trek through seasons of ridiculous map pools they may take the lesson that a champion doesn't spend his time bemoaning an abyssmal road to climb, he simply climbs. Those privy to Anytime's OSL victory can walk away knowing things don't always turn out as planned (no matter how honorable the subject of that plan is). And those who have watched Flash can comfort themselves with the knowledge that even perfection may not always be perfect.

On the one hand, I understand you wanting to leave if there's no more BW for you to watch, but on the other hand this is one of the few places where you'll find people who understand the importance of BW to those who love it. Your choice.


Yes, I do. That's why I have always been rooting for the underdog. Since then, every off-season, I always found myself watching old VoDs of games and pimpest plays and during on-season, I would watch the games when.ever I can. I still remember these:

mms://liveongame.gscdn.com/L1

mms://216.121.92.137/mbc

It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
JMave
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Singapore1803 Posts
March 27 2012 01:46 GMT
#26
yeah totally agree with you. i have a strong feeling that this is the last osl and possibly the end of individual leagues altogether. but yet at the same time, it would be really interesting to see where flash and those other top players would move to and whether or not they would prove our speculations of them right.
火心 Jealous. I always loved that feeling when I was young. Embrace it.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
March 27 2012 01:53 GMT
#27
On March 27 2012 08:26 RageCommodore wrote:
I gotta say this to you: BW is only dead when it's community gives up and leaves. Even if Proleague dies, the people that are passionate about it are the actual core of the game. As long as you love the game, it will continue to exist.
Maybe it sounds cliché, but it's the truth.

True BW fan right here. Never Surrender. Never GG.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 27 2012 01:55 GMT
#28
I've been on TL to the extent that I no longer use any other site for anything ever(social, that is).

Also, BW is more than a game. It is an idea, and ideas, my fellow TLers, never die!
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 27 2012 02:41 GMT
#29
I am in a similar situation, I love TL, I spent 3+ hours a day on it.
BW is by far my #1 hobby, I cried when reading the MSL Forever cartoon, but I still have some hope.

If they do a mixed PL with BW and SC2, it will only highlight how terrible is SC2 to watch compared to BW.
I would not even be surprised that Koreans who watch Proleague on TV would just watch another channel during the SC2 game, and come back to OGN when the BW game start. We will need as many fans as possible to show our love for BW.

I am flying to Korea to watch the Grand Finals just in the case this is the last BW Proleague. Then I'll make a huge blog in way of adieu.

I may post again if Bisu + Show Spoiler +
or Hyuk
wins the OSL though. What's annoying is that every single forum I registered recently looks so shitty compared to TL. I guess I'm just a spoiled child.

I feel you man + Show Spoiler +
(I'm not talking about your shaft obviously)
ॐ
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 02:55:45
March 27 2012 02:53 GMT
#30
As one BW fan to another, feeling about the current situation pretty much the same as you do. I will tell you why I am still here, and intend on still being here till the end:

What we have built MAY be coming to an end, the economic potential MAY be waning, fan support MAY be faltering, and we MAY be beset on all sides by the forces, led by the very maker of our beloved game, insistent on cannibalizing the very infrastructure that we have built to try and prop up an unworthy sequel.

But I am still here for the very same reason that has made the BW scene so great. Passion.

Passion has built and shaped what we have, passion MUST be the prevailing feeling that characterises the BW scene today even as it dies, if indeed it is dying.

If there is still hope, then passion will be what fans the flames of this hope into revitalization, it is the one thing that we require most in these difficult times. If indeed it is hopeless, then BW will die infused with passion, as it did in life, not alone, despairing, abandoned by it's community.

WE ARE THE BW COMMUNITY, we do not turn tail and run at the first sign of hardship, we face it with passion like we have with every other hardship that has beset the community. We fight it with the same passion that has built everything that the scene, and the community is.

And if even that is not enough, then at least we will not die quietly and mostly forgotten like all the laughable attempts at 'ESPORTS' that has come before, and will come after. If we must die, then we will embrace this passion to the fiery end. We will meet the end of the BW scene with the same fire that we have always met everything.

We are here to make sure that BW does not go out with a pathetic whimper, forgotten and alone.

We are here to show that even as the last embers are snuffed out, BW is relevant, loved, and still inspiring great passion.

We are here to see her last fiery moments echo across the world, and once she is gone, people will realise something powerful, beautiful had been lost, the likes of which we may never see again.

We are here because if we leave now, and BW is gone, then it will be remembered as it died, forgotten and abandoned. What we have created over the last decade will be forgotten, trivialized, meaningless.

I am here because as a part of the BW community, now is when I am needed most. Whether to overcome just another difficult time or simply to witness and shape how it all ends. I am here to make sure, even at the end, the BW community was and is something different, special, unique.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
XDawn
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Canada4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 03:24:58
March 27 2012 02:57 GMT
#31
I don't follow BW or SC2 anymore - but watching BW VOD's occasionally from time to time reminds me of how I was part of something awesome - regardless of how I participated or not.
Brood War days were the best
BW Forever <3

That was also an epic game good sir
Use it or lose it
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
March 27 2012 03:21 GMT
#32
Why link fantasy's biggest choke of all time (let me float 1.5k/1k and try to win an OSL) T_T.

The OSL is announced to be sc:bw. Check it out still. We need all the bw fans we can get!
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 04:22:23
March 27 2012 04:20 GMT
#33
On March 27 2012 08:10 shaftofpleasure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.


If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.


No it won't.

The OSL will be BW and remember the format for next season's PL is just a rumor. I would still come to this site regardless of being sick of bw or sc2 because TL offers way more than just that for me at least.

Plus we still have tournaments man other than PL/OSL/MSL. They might be small, but they're still fun as hell.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
March 27 2012 06:01 GMT
#34
On March 27 2012 13:20 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 08:10 shaftofpleasure wrote:
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote:
I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.


If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.


No it won't.

The OSL will be BW and remember the format for next season's PL is just a rumor. I would still come to this site regardless of being sick of bw or sc2 because TL offers way more than just that for me at least.

Plus we still have tournaments man other than PL/OSL/MSL. They might be small, but they're still fun as hell.


I watch them as much as I watch PL. The problem here is just that I think hope is really losing this time and what, I think, I need is a spark that would make he regain my hope in all of this.

The BW scene has been my escape since I entered collage and it has been a great companion.
It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Thaniri
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1264 Posts
March 27 2012 06:06 GMT
#35
whenever nanashin restreans something they get like 2k viewers

Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
March 27 2012 10:11 GMT
#36
5/5.

SC2 isnt going to be as good as BW because its a different creator. Dustin Browder is bringing his Command and Conquer crap ideas into SC. He is making parts of the game for "noobs". When what make SC:BW so awesome was that large gap in skill from pro to noob. In SC2 its insanely shorter.

Just have fun with SC2, don't take it serious. The top level games are still fun to watch IMO.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
March 27 2012 11:58 GMT
#37
I hadn't heard of this as I only really watch the bw matches now and don't follow anything outside of it. As somebody who played broodwar for a long long time and almost all of my childhood I have to say that PL's format kind of confuses me if they change things like that. oh well =/
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Cooleh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom63 Posts
March 27 2012 15:07 GMT
#38
I think people should stop worrying about speculations of bw dying. Sure it doesn't look like good news overall but we shouldn't plan to give up on bw from these rumours. Also there seem to be quite a lot of people who either enjoy both BW and SC2, or prefer BW, which could keep the TL BW community somewhat alive. Sure it's not as huge as it used to be but as Marou said:

On March 27 2012 10:02 Marou wrote:
honestly almost every single person around me still have no clue about esports. Wether i am looking at a game also watched by thousands of people or just a few doesn't really matter in the end. What matters is this is what i enjoy.
Opportunities will present themselves. Recognize them, act on them.
shaftofpleasure
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (North)1375 Posts
April 24 2012 03:08 GMT
#39
I guess I should be going then.

It's either the holes of my nose are getting smaller or my fingers are getting bigger. /// Always Rooting for the Underdog. Hyuk/Sin/Jaehoon/Juni/Hyvva/Hoejja/Canata //// Hiding in thread somewhere where BW is still in it's pure form here on TL.
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
April 24 2012 05:58 GMT
#40
I'm pretty much here only for the occasional funny blog and Kpop now. So it goes. OSL still around though, excited for that!
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
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