I've been following the scene since that time when Bisu 3-0'd Savior in a fashion that even it's news was heard to players who didn't even knew a gaming scene of this scale ever existed. Since then, I became a rabid T1 fan posting shit on GG.net and lurking on TL.net until I was banned from the former and stayed here.
Now, with the advent of Stupidity, I think it's about time to leave this place. Maybe after PL Finals, I'll be removing the TL tab that I always click every time I open a browser.
It's been fun, TL. My first account here got banned, then after a week or so, created another account and I really thought I would get discovered. Following BW through this site taught me that there's only a few dedicated forums on the internet that has a dedicated community, willing to pour time into it. I may never find another forum like this.
BW Hwaiting.!
And It's practically confirmed at this point. It's been fun, really. I really can't show my disappointment when some people here demean BW when in fact, if it wasn't for BW and it's scene, there wouldn't be TL, there wouldn't be 'E-Sport', and there wouldn't be anything that made us all come here.
To E-Sports fans:
If a titan like BW can fall like this, what do you think the chances of 'E-Sports' in maintaining foot-hold as a spectator sport?
even if i stopped following E-Sports id probably keep coming to this site for the non-e-sports stuff (at the very least the funny pics thread) this is just too amazing of a community that isnt all E-Sports for me to ever give it up
On March 27 2012 08:00 Forikorder wrote: even if i stopped following E-Sports id probably keep coming to this site for the non-e-sports stuff (at the very least the funny pics thread) this is just too amazing of a community that isnt all E-Sports for me to ever give it up
I agree. I barely follow e-sports closely anymore with school and everything, but I still come here for ADT and KMD. The occasional glance into the Flash meme page always cracks me up too.
I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.
dont you have favorite players? why would you not continue with them no matter what their choice (sc2, lol, dota, whatever)? i follow players, not games, and i still refer back to sc:bw when some of my favorites are playing although i watch sc2 almost exclusively.
I feel bad that the only ID you could come up with was "Shaftofpleasure". As a consolation, I'll let you know where to find the BroodWar section on Teamliquid.
On March 27 2012 08:10 dAPhREAk wrote: dont you have favorite players? why would you not continue with them no matter what their choice (sc2, lol, dota, whatever)? i follow players, not games, and i still refer back to sc:bw when some of my favorites are playing although i watch sc2 almost exclusively.
FBH, Fantasy, Bisu, Calm, Canata, Turn, Iris, Perfectman, Hyuk to name the few. I really don't have any specific favorite anymore. I watch the games not because of the player but for the games they deliver. I always root for the underdog.
On March 27 2012 08:13 ninazerg wrote: I feel bad that the only ID you could come up with was "Shaftofpleasure". As a consolation, I'll let you know where to find the BroodWar section on Teamliquid.
Even if, in your opinion, SC2 is fundamentally bad you should at least wait to see how your favorite players can shape/change the game before leaving entirely. I'd even suggest seeing how things differ when the expansion is out and running ...
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.
Really now? Perhaps in a future OSL, but I doubt this coming OSL will be in this format. The prelims are only in a few days and will most likely be in pure BW, so it would be even less logical to make OSL into a hybrid format. And considering that the OSL schedule will involve dual tourney in April and group stages in May and bracket stages most likely being held in the following summer months, there is still a decent amount of BW to be had for this half of the year even if Proleague turns hybrid after April.
So stay a bit longer. We'll see what happens with OSL after this coming season, but for now it's still a good old BW tournament.
I gotta say this to you: BW is only dead when it's community gives up and leaves. Even if Proleague dies, the people that are passionate about it are the actual core of the game. As long as you love the game, it will continue to exist. Maybe it sounds cliché, but it's the truth.
On March 27 2012 08:18 setzer wrote: Even if, in your opinion, SC2 is fundamentally bad you should at least wait to see how your favorite players can shape/change the game before leaving entirely. I'd even suggest seeing how things differ when the expansion is out and running ...
I've tried playing SC2, watched it scene, and before that, I was one of this hyped-up schmuck but in the end, still couldn't get myself to like it. Couple that with what Blizzard has done, I found myself hating blizzard and all it represent. BW, to me, is more than just a game. I can't explain it very well but it has a good place inside me maybe because way before 2007 and following the BW scene, BW was the first tournament I've played in LAN. Since it was released, I've been playing it until I entered into college back in 2005, since 1999/2000 I've been playing BW with friends and haven't got a single clue about the Pro Scene. You can say I loved the game very much and here comes Blizzard crashing down on it. It makes me sad, really.
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.
Really now? Perhaps in a future OSL, but I doubt this coming OSL will be in this format. The prelims are only in a few days and will most likely be in pure BW, so it would be even less logical to make OSL into a hybrid format. And considering that the OSL schedule will involve dual tourney in April and group stages in May and bracket stages most likely being held in the following summer months, there is still a decent amount of BW to be had for this half of the year even if Proleague turns hybrid after April.
So stay a bit longer. We'll see what happens with OSL after this coming season, but for now it's still a good old BW tournament.
Now that I think about it. You might be right.
On March 27 2012 08:26 RageCommodore wrote: I gotta say this to you: BW is only dead when it's community gives up and leaves. Even if Proleague dies, the people that are passionate about it are the actual core of the game. As long as you love the game, it will continue to exist. Maybe it sounds cliché, but it's the truth.
When you were spoiled by the level of play these progamers give. It's the only way to satisfy you. but I have been playing since 2000 so you can count on me to love the game just not the scene.
In the hearts of those of us who love(d?) it, BW will never die. Like those amazing days of childhood, the time you spent enjoying BW and the matches of those who played it will stay with you. If you choose to leave here, don't hang your head. If you've gained any joy from your time here, treasure that, and don't worry if the inevitable has proven inescapable.
You say you were here for Bisu v Savior? Then may you never believe in the impossible. For those of us who were here longer, we may always keep other moments with us. From the OSL finals between iloveoov and Boxer we can always be reminded that the joy of defeat may at times be sweeter than the agony of victory. To those who watched Savior's trek through seasons of ridiculous map pools they may take the lesson that a champion doesn't spend his time bemoaning an abyssmal road to climb, he simply climbs. Those privy to Anytime's OSL victory can walk away knowing things don't always turn out as planned (no matter how honorable the subject of that plan is). And those who have watched Flash can comfort themselves with the knowledge that even perfection may not always be perfect.
On the one hand, I understand you wanting to leave if there's no more BW for you to watch, but on the other hand this is one of the few places where you'll find people who understand the importance of BW to those who love it. Your choice.
OIMG MAN YOU GOT NOSTALGIA GLASSES DOOD BW AINT EVEN TAHT SPESHUL U GOTTA LEARN TO ACCEPT SC2 AND ESPORTS!!11111!!!!!!1!!
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When BW dies out, I guess I'll be here mostly for the funny pictures thread and blogs, along with seeing what BW players do after their careers are over. At this point, after all the anger and confusion in me has died out, for me there is now only acceptance and peace, with a tear in my eye and thanks in my heart to BW for all its given me.
I'm undecided on what i'm going to do yet. Just waiting to see how how this all pans out. If it is true that we'll have proleague with alternating games at the very least there will be less ignorance about BW on TL...
Yeah I feel the same way. I'll watch the PL finals and the upcoming OSL but after that I'll probably just dip. I've been visiting TL less and less anyway recently. It has changed and not for the better imo. Or maybe I'm the one who changed
On March 27 2012 09:24 ShadeR wrote: I'm undecided on what i'm going to do yet. Just waiting to see how how this all pans out. If it is true that we'll have proleague with alternating games at the very least there will be less ignorance about SC2 on TL...
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HOLY SHIT GUYS. A GAME THAT'S 10 YEARS OLD IS FINALLY BEING REPLACED BY A GAME THAT'S IT'S SEQUEL!
But seriously, I want to thank all the BW fans (especially you, OP) for creating a foundation for Starcraft 2 to stand on. I know my quote and reply make me sound like an asshole, but I'm being serious. Without BW fans, we would have to start from scratch and that would be messy.
On March 27 2012 08:13 ninazerg wrote: I feel bad that the only ID you could come up with was "Shaftofpleasure". As a consolation, I'll let you know where to find the BroodWar section on Teamliquid.
May I reply on this? I've always been intrigued by your ID. It seems like a name that you just thought of half hazardly when you had to register, and then you realize you're gonna be stuck with it.
Anyway, yes, what they are doing to BW is horrible. Dafuq with that PL format!!!
honestly almost every single person around me still have no clue about esports. Wether i am looking at a game also watched by thousands of people or just a few doesn't really matter in the end. What matters is this is what i enjoy.
I don't see why you make such a big case of BW slowly fading out. As long as there are good games being played you can still watch them. Hell there are people still playing WC2 and making VODs of it. As long as there are players and tournaments the game is never dead.
On March 27 2012 08:13 ninazerg wrote: I feel bad that the only ID you could come up with was "Shaftofpleasure". As a consolation, I'll let you know where to find the BroodWar section on Teamliquid.
May I reply on this? I've always been intrigued by your ID. It seems like a name that you just thought of half hazardly when you had to register, and then you realize you're gonna be stuck with it.
Anyway, yes, what they are doing to BW is horrible. Dafuq with that PL format!!!
This is apparently a very thought-out ID.
On March 27 2012 08:49 maareek wrote: In the hearts of those of us who love(d?) it, BW will never die. Like those amazing days of childhood, the time you spent enjoying BW and the matches of those who played it will stay with you. If you choose to leave here, don't hang your head. If you've gained any joy from your time here, treasure that, and don't worry if the inevitable has proven inescapable.
You say you were here for Bisu v Savior? Then may you never believe in the impossible. For those of us who were here longer, we may always keep other moments with us. From the OSL finals between iloveoov and Boxer we can always be reminded that the joy of defeat may at times be sweeter than the agony of victory. To those who watched Savior's trek through seasons of ridiculous map pools they may take the lesson that a champion doesn't spend his time bemoaning an abyssmal road to climb, he simply climbs. Those privy to Anytime's OSL victory can walk away knowing things don't always turn out as planned (no matter how honorable the subject of that plan is). And those who have watched Flash can comfort themselves with the knowledge that even perfection may not always be perfect.
On the one hand, I understand you wanting to leave if there's no more BW for you to watch, but on the other hand this is one of the few places where you'll find people who understand the importance of BW to those who love it. Your choice.
Yes, I do. That's why I have always been rooting for the underdog. Since then, every off-season, I always found myself watching old VoDs of games and pimpest plays and during on-season, I would watch the games when.ever I can. I still remember these:
yeah totally agree with you. i have a strong feeling that this is the last osl and possibly the end of individual leagues altogether. but yet at the same time, it would be really interesting to see where flash and those other top players would move to and whether or not they would prove our speculations of them right.
On March 27 2012 08:26 RageCommodore wrote: I gotta say this to you: BW is only dead when it's community gives up and leaves. Even if Proleague dies, the people that are passionate about it are the actual core of the game. As long as you love the game, it will continue to exist. Maybe it sounds cliché, but it's the truth.
True BW fan right here. Never Surrender. Never GG.
I am in a similar situation, I love TL, I spent 3+ hours a day on it. BW is by far my #1 hobby, I cried when reading the MSL Forever cartoon, but I still have some hope.
If they do a mixed PL with BW and SC2, it will only highlight how terrible is SC2 to watch compared to BW. I would not even be surprised that Koreans who watch Proleague on TV would just watch another channel during the SC2 game, and come back to OGN when the BW game start. We will need as many fans as possible to show our love for BW.
I am flying to Korea to watch the Grand Finals just in the case this is the last BW Proleague. Then I'll make a huge blog in way of adieu.
wins the OSL though. What's annoying is that every single forum I registered recently looks so shitty compared to TL. I guess I'm just a spoiled child.
As one BW fan to another, feeling about the current situation pretty much the same as you do. I will tell you why I am still here, and intend on still being here till the end:
What we have built MAY be coming to an end, the economic potential MAY be waning, fan support MAY be faltering, and we MAY be beset on all sides by the forces, led by the very maker of our beloved game, insistent on cannibalizing the very infrastructure that we have built to try and prop up an unworthy sequel.
But I am still here for the very same reason that has made the BW scene so great. Passion.
Passion has built and shaped what we have, passion MUST be the prevailing feeling that characterises the BW scene today even as it dies, if indeed it is dying.
If there is still hope, then passion will be what fans the flames of this hope into revitalization, it is the one thing that we require most in these difficult times. If indeed it is hopeless, then BW will die infused with passion, as it did in life, not alone, despairing, abandoned by it's community.
WE ARE THE BW COMMUNITY, we do not turn tail and run at the first sign of hardship, we face it with passion like we have with every other hardship that has beset the community. We fight it with the same passion that has built everything that the scene, and the community is.
And if even that is not enough, then at least we will not die quietly and mostly forgotten like all the laughable attempts at 'ESPORTS' that has come before, and will come after. If we must die, then we will embrace this passion to the fiery end. We will meet the end of the BW scene with the same fire that we have always met everything.
We are here to make sure that BW does not go out with a pathetic whimper, forgotten and alone.
We are here to show that even as the last embers are snuffed out, BW is relevant, loved, and still inspiring great passion.
We are here to see her last fiery moments echo across the world, and once she is gone, people will realise something powerful, beautiful had been lost, the likes of which we may never see again.
We are here because if we leave now, and BW is gone, then it will be remembered as it died, forgotten and abandoned. What we have created over the last decade will be forgotten, trivialized, meaningless.
I am here because as a part of the BW community, now is when I am needed most. Whether to overcome just another difficult time or simply to witness and shape how it all ends. I am here to make sure, even at the end, the BW community was and is something different, special, unique.
I don't follow BW or SC2 anymore - but watching BW VOD's occasionally from time to time reminds me of how I was part of something awesome - regardless of how I participated or not. Brood War days were the best BW Forever <3
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.
No it won't.
The OSL will be BW and remember the format for next season's PL is just a rumor. I would still come to this site regardless of being sick of bw or sc2 because TL offers way more than just that for me at least.
Plus we still have tournaments man other than PL/OSL/MSL. They might be small, but they're still fun as hell.
On March 27 2012 08:08 eviltomahawk wrote: I think the BW/SC2 hybrid season will still contain a good handful of great BW matches, worth checking out via vods. And there is still a BW OSL to ogle over.
If PL is going to be SC2/BW, I think the OSL will be also in this format.
No it won't.
The OSL will be BW and remember the format for next season's PL is just a rumor. I would still come to this site regardless of being sick of bw or sc2 because TL offers way more than just that for me at least.
Plus we still have tournaments man other than PL/OSL/MSL. They might be small, but they're still fun as hell.
I watch them as much as I watch PL. The problem here is just that I think hope is really losing this time and what, I think, I need is a spark that would make he regain my hope in all of this.
The BW scene has been my escape since I entered collage and it has been a great companion.
SC2 isnt going to be as good as BW because its a different creator. Dustin Browder is bringing his Command and Conquer crap ideas into SC. He is making parts of the game for "noobs". When what make SC:BW so awesome was that large gap in skill from pro to noob. In SC2 its insanely shorter.
Just have fun with SC2, don't take it serious. The top level games are still fun to watch IMO.
I hadn't heard of this as I only really watch the bw matches now and don't follow anything outside of it. As somebody who played broodwar for a long long time and almost all of my childhood I have to say that PL's format kind of confuses me if they change things like that. oh well =/
I think people should stop worrying about speculations of bw dying. Sure it doesn't look like good news overall but we shouldn't plan to give up on bw from these rumours. Also there seem to be quite a lot of people who either enjoy both BW and SC2, or prefer BW, which could keep the TL BW community somewhat alive. Sure it's not as huge as it used to be but as Marou said:
On March 27 2012 10:02 Marou wrote: honestly almost every single person around me still have no clue about esports. Wether i am looking at a game also watched by thousands of people or just a few doesn't really matter in the end. What matters is this is what i enjoy.
On March 27 2012 09:24 ShadeR wrote: I'm undecided on what i'm going to do yet. Just waiting to see how how this all pans out. If it is true that we'll have proleague with alternating games at the very least there will be less ignorance about SC2 on TL...
Fixed.\
HOLY SHIT GUYS. A GAME THAT'S 10 YEARS OLD IS FINALLY BEING REPLACED BY A GAME THAT'S IT'S SEQUEL!
But seriously, I want to thank all the BW fans (especially you, OP) for creating a foundation for Starcraft 2 to stand on. I know my quote and reply make me sound like an asshole, but I'm being serious. Without BW fans, we would have to start from scratch and that would be messy.
Dear AOLScreenName999,
BW is 14 years old. I'm pretty sure it is older than you.
On a more related to the OP note, I would not come to TL for anything but the General and Blog Sections, for different amusement purposes, if I didn't have a vested interest in pursuing the life of white BW. There is not enough new content to outweigh the random SC2 players whom were the 12 year old WoW players when I was reaching adulthood as a BW player. This site was built on BW, and everything to do with e-sports was. This site can also be credited for founding white e-sports for RTS (as a majority). Unfortunately, now worth millions, and being "TEAM" Liquid, they had to move on to SC2.
I mean, the only reason it is "falling" is the fact that it is being replaced from a successor of the same name and same company, which should dispel the idea that such an esports legacy can be so easily displaceable (if SC2 never came, would BW last forever? maybe).
I don't know, though, perhaps this whole "farewell" movement corresponds to the same growing up of people, who once when were younger and following esports, now have grown up and gotten their other jobs and families without time for starcraft. That said, it obviously doesn't apply to all or even a majority, and perhaps does not have an overt effect, but it may certainly be a factor.
That said, the new scene would do well to remember its past, and I'm glad that figures like BoxeR have jumped over to keep the lineage going.
On March 27 2012 08:49 maareek wrote: In the hearts of those of us who love(d?) it, BW will never die. Like those amazing days of childhood, the time you spent enjoying BW and the matches of those who played it will stay with you. If you choose to leave here, don't hang your head. If you've gained any joy from your time here, treasure that, and don't worry if the inevitable has proven inescapable.
You say you were here for Bisu v Savior? Then may you never believe in the impossible. For those of us who were here longer, we may always keep other moments with us. From the OSL finals between iloveoov and Boxer we can always be reminded that the joy of defeat may at times be sweeter than the agony of victory. To those who watched Savior's trek through seasons of ridiculous map pools they may take the lesson that a champion doesn't spend his time bemoaning an abyssmal road to climb, he simply climbs. Those privy to Anytime's OSL victory can walk away knowing things don't always turn out as planned (no matter how honorable the subject of that plan is). And those who have watched Flash can comfort themselves with the knowledge that even perfection may not always be perfect.
On the one hand, I understand you wanting to leave if there's no more BW for you to watch, but on the other hand this is one of the few places where you'll find people who understand the importance of BW to those who love it. Your choice.
@shaftofpleasure where ever you are going if you find something that is good and has nothing to do with starcraft . Remember to pm me the location and I will follow you . Time to move on to some where else and the world out there . Back packing sounds fun ....
EPT
