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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
March 07 2012 16:55 GMT
#21
LoL is free, so for them to gain profit, they need interest in it.
Blizzard "gained" profit when you bought the game, now it will reduce "costs" if you stop playing it so they can lower their server numbers or migrate them to something that gives profit (WoW comes to mind).

Its a different way to make money.

In the last year i almost totally moved to free to play games. It just does not seem interesting to buy games that seem to be made for you to get bored of them soon.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
March 07 2012 16:59 GMT
#22
On March 08 2012 01:02 Thaniri wrote:
When I see for IEM that there is 120k viewers for League, and 30k for Starcraft, it sort of bothers me.

I know that the viewer count is massively inflated by having it in the client of League, but what is going on?

Every friend I have who plays League does not watch competition because it is boring to watch or they would rather play.

Yet every Starcraft player from bronze to grandmaster seems to know and care about our pro scene and we pull in 30k viewers.

Doesn't it feel like cheating by Riot to have the stream in the client? Because it feels to me that one would log in, go AFK and the viewer count is filled with non-viewers.

Or I could be completely full of crap and my friends who play League (ranging from casual to mega tryhard again) are just part of a minority in League.


It's simple, fun, free, easy to watch. Chess is much more unpopular than sports likes soccer or basketball.
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
March 07 2012 17:03 GMT
#23
Personally I don't even understand why everyone here wants casuals and big stream numbers. Yeah, I guess it's nice to have a lot of competitions but then again to many people a niche hobby (such as bw) seems somehow less socially acceptable.

Well maybe the elitists and hardcore people have truly become a minority on TeamLiquid in the past few years.
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theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
March 07 2012 17:15 GMT
#24
On March 08 2012 01:48 matiK23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:37 theBALLS wrote:
Why do more people watch Jersey Shore than an Attenborough documentary?


I get your point, I guess, but are you really comparing Starcraft to educational documentaries?

ok maybe Glee vs Breaking Bad would be a better comparison, but the point is, not many people are able to appreciate more intellectually stimulating entertainment.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
RonNation
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States385 Posts
March 07 2012 17:18 GMT
#25
the simple fact is that LoL is a noob friendly game and there are more noobs in the world than non noobs
MaGariShun
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria305 Posts
March 07 2012 17:28 GMT
#26
Contrary to popular belief on this site, starcraft is not really THAT popular. Sure, everyone knows about it, but I don't know anyone personally who plays or is interested in it anymore (myself included) and regularly follows tourneys, streams etc.

Just look at what numbers fighting games pull and they are considered niche and its pretty much only north america playing them (or at least watching the streams)

With HotS that will probably change for a while and everyone will pick up the game again for a few months.

LoL on the other hand is a casual game almost everyone plays or has played at some point. It's just natural that it has more viewers. You watch what you can relate to.

lundell100
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden232 Posts
March 07 2012 17:35 GMT
#27
LoL is the most played game in the world, it's bound to have more viewers.
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
March 07 2012 17:49 GMT
#28
There are also much fewer high level lol tourneys than SC2 tourneys. SC2 events would much more likely have high numbers as well if there events were much more infrequent.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
March 07 2012 17:50 GMT
#29
On March 08 2012 01:17 Nikon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 01:16 LayZRR wrote:
you seem mad cuz sc2 is not #1.

sc2 is still a great game.


So is League of Legends, yet a lot of people get mad at it for no reason, right here on this site. C'est la vie.


I don't get mad at it for no reason. I dislike the terrible community at the lower levels for people who are trying to get into the game. Its very difficult to feel like you are improving as well when no matter how well you try to play the individuals who grief the game and feed the enemy make the game much less enjoyable.

I know I need to find people to play with but its difficult and thats why I don't really enjoy LoL anywhere near as much as SC2. Even when I was in practice league and bronze I always felt like people were able to be nice and offer help more often than not. I could improve myself and see the fruits of my labour but this is not the case in LoL when others basically ruin the experience. Unfortunately for me its the community in game that made it bothersome.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
March 07 2012 18:02 GMT
#30
Riot's a very smart company and does a lot of work to help esports. I kind of wish Blizzard took a few pages out of riot's book in that regard (in-client stream, promotion of esports events, major tourneys, etc) because it would be really awesome. I have respect for a company that supports esports.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 18:25:17
March 07 2012 18:11 GMT
#31
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Are you kidding me?

Same shit can be said about SC2. I find it boring to play and to watch, yet that miserable game has more stream viewers than BW.

In my eyes the SC2-BW relationship is equivalent to Dota-LoL: one is original, everybody agrees that is harder and requires larger amount of skill. The other is just a simplified copy (that tries so hard in the wrong way to not be the same), that appeals to the masses and has newer shinier graphics and was made looking to profit on the previous title.

Happens that people like different things, some like a game more than others, and apparently more people would rather play and watch LoL than SC2. Deal with it man...

Ah, LoL is also free, that helps a lot.


Noob-friendly version: More people prefer LoL over SC2, even if in your individual opinion SC2 deserves more viewers. Deal with it.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
March 07 2012 18:19 GMT
#32
wow, BW people are again raging about SC2... The question was about LoL and some people have nothing better to do than shit on SC2 -.-
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
March 07 2012 18:22 GMT
#33
I trashed on SC2 the same way he trashed LoL to show him that individual opinion doesn't matter.

Was it hard to understand? I can simplify the previous post to make it more noob-friendly.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 18:29:22
March 07 2012 18:27 GMT
#34
No, noone said LoL sucks. People just said they find it boring. And especially OP said nothing bad about LoL, he just said his friends stopped because it was boring to watch. But this is something else:

On March 08 2012 01:14 IronMan3 wrote:
Because SC2 is not Brood War and it sucks


And your tone is not appreciated either. Noone was offensive before u started it
taitanik
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia231 Posts
March 07 2012 18:34 GMT
#35
thats like asking in LoL forums doesnt it feel weird that theres viewers who watch starcraft
"the game is over only when you make it over"
UmiNotsuki
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States633 Posts
March 07 2012 18:47 GMT
#36
LoL's got that casual community going for it. For StarCraft II you see a lot of hard core players, more so than most other games, but ultimately there aren't as many hardcore gamers as casual gamers in the world.

That, and... well, it was just IEM, right? If I'm not mistaken that's pretty much the biggest event there is for LoL, but if you compared those numbers to OUR biggest even (Code S) then I'd bet it'd be a lot closer.
UmiNotsuki.111 (NA), UNTReborn.932 (EU), UmiNotsuki (iCCup) -- You see that text I wrote above this? I'll betcha $5 that you disagree :D
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
March 07 2012 18:53 GMT
#37
On March 08 2012 01:02 Thaniri wrote:
When I see for IEM that there is 120k viewers for League, and 30k for Starcraft, it sort of bothers me.

I know that the viewer count is massively inflated by having it in the client of League, but what is going on?

Every friend I have who plays League does not watch competition because it is boring to watch or they would rather play.

Yet every Starcraft player from bronze to grandmaster seems to know and care about our pro scene and we pull in 30k viewers.

Doesn't it feel like cheating by Riot to have the stream in the client? Because it feels to me that one would log in, go AFK and the viewer count is filled with non-viewers.

Or I could be completely full of crap and my friends who play League (ranging from casual to mega tryhard again) are just part of a minority in League.


You imagine some sort of SC2 eSport audience volume dominance which doesn't exist.

What I bolded is absolutely untrue.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
March 07 2012 18:58 GMT
#38
On March 08 2012 03:34 taitanik wrote:
thats like asking in LoL forums doesnt it feel weird that theres viewers who watch starcraft


I can't speak for everyone here but I think there are plenty of us who are fans of both-- I think we have a big LoL community here on TL, and if you stop by the teamspeak you'll see people playing. Both are quite fun games :D

I would like to see blizzard support esports like riot does-- that would be great.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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EternaLLegacy
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States410 Posts
March 07 2012 19:34 GMT
#39
Easy. Riot is interested in growing a customer base and pleasing fans. Blizzard is interested in making money.
Statists gonna State.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 19:40:07
March 07 2012 19:39 GMT
#40
All the LoL hate around here is funny, LoL is to Sc2 what SC2 is to BW.
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
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