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Cyclone999
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada331 Posts
February 11 2012 06:41 GMT
#1
I'm one of the people who gets emotional trauma over idiotic plays in Starcraft by myself. I'm one of those people who feel that I completely outplay my opponent and then lose to "imba" deathballs. I'm one of the people who think that I should be better that I already am.

Yes, I am an idiot.

Recently a blog post about protoss-race bashing got posted up. After a frustrating loss on ladder (despite hitting money EMPs and trading armies with Protoss) I was about to make a blog here about "Protoss is __________" when I found that the thread already existed!

To my delight, there was an individual who felt the same way. Needless to say, I showed off some immature rage claiming that Terran and Protoss are imbalanced and whatnot. Yes, I acted like an idiot. I got a warning from micronesia - a warning in which I so richly deserved.

So after calming down with a burger from Harvey's I realized what I had done wrong. Yes, I showed some awful comments with quite horrible rage in which I completely take back. Yes, emotions do that to people, I'm sure some of you know what I'm talking about.

I realized I was an idiot and immature for posting such things about "Protoss is so stupid, blah blah blah" and I'd like to apologize to Teamliquid for making Teamliquid a worser place than before. I also note that my actions probably hurt eSports (not majorly, but minorly to some) and I would hate to see that happen.

As such, after going to a church meeting, I realized that I was a Christian and that I shouldn't even be concerned about 'raging' or language like 'gay as hell'. Naturally I felt ashamed of what I had said. I even used my data plan (limited) to download a Teamliquid App for Android to apologize on the thread, because the website didn't work (if you've seen how I save my data, this is actually really big)

I promised that I would never let a game create a negative feeling of rage, but rather look optimisticly and not be so pessimistic. Instead of raging and acting like an idiot in front of the public, why not get better and possibly earn some respect?

I'm not in a good position to be saying this, and although it seems like I've overextended my post on something as trivial as race balance (be honest, a lot of us have done it ) but I'd like to say sorry for my stupid actions and starting now,

1. I will do the Day[9] most random complimential compliment you can do trick

2. I will not rage, slam earphones, spill my drink, shout on my Skype friends, post my concerns at 604Starcraft on which I happen to do the most "protoss imba" 'jokes', spam a stream chat, leave a game in which I am sad with.

3. I will try and get better at the game, looking positively ONLY, without racial imbalances or opinions


Thanks for reading ^.^

**
16 year old Masters Terran :D
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
February 11 2012 06:49 GMT
#2
Why hello Cyclone
Honestly don't beat yourself up man, we all get pissed at some point or another; Honestly I view "it's just a game" as a little ignorant on the part of those who say it. Because we've all read books, watched movies, and heard songs, that make us emotional; and no one is like "dude it's just a movie calm down". So it's okay to experience real emotion after playing a game. My advice would be just to not let it consume you, you can get pissed, punch something (or as Day[9] suggests, squeeze a towel) or go for a run, let it pass and accept it.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
JethroTV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States206 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 06:59:35
February 11 2012 06:59 GMT
#3
I just want to say that I have been doing the random compliment thing instead of raging and it works really well. I find myself laughing and whatever I happen to type instead of being mad, as I can only imagine what the other people are thinking when I saw some random thing and then leave.

And also, I strongly agree with your third point. Even if balance is not perfect, I strive to work around it and not use it as an excuse and it makes me rage less.

Best of luck. I'm willing to bet this will make the game an even better experience for you.
@JethroTV
Cyclone999
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada331 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 07:01:14
February 11 2012 07:00 GMT
#4
On February 11 2012 15:59 SCJethro wrote:
Best of luck. I'm willing to bet this will make the game an even better experience for you.


Thanks, I really hope so. I'm looking forward to mass laddering tomorrow, without the feeling of tilt or imbalance. Should be interesting.
16 year old Masters Terran :D
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
February 11 2012 08:03 GMT
#5
^^ Even if you dont, there will be other who irritate you by mentioning balance/race etc. The worst was during the MC era..
Selendis
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia509 Posts
February 11 2012 09:52 GMT
#6
I don't see race bashing as a huge problem. I mean you definitely shouldn't make posts about race "X" being imbalanced but I see no reason why you should suppress your feelings regarding a race. You just need to fidn the correct outlet for it.
Probes are sooo OP
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 11 2012 10:01 GMT
#7
As long as you dont put .45 caliber hollow point bullets through your computer, you are ok. Good patch for protoss coming, no fears.
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 11 2012 10:02 GMT
#8
People just get overly defensive about the game. It's clearly not balanced, and the legion of hardcore BW fanboys bringing up BW all the time really doesn't help (I'm one of them).

The thing is, only players at the highest levels of play can really complain about balance and matchup difficulties. They're the ones pushing the game to the limit, and it's only when players are maximizing potential that any real imbalance can show itself.

I was largely just bitching about ladder tilt and the clear disparities in difficulty in controlling a maxed T army against a maxed P army. That disparity doesn't create imbalance, but it does create an opportunity for arguments and whatnot.

In any case, I probably should have altered my tone in my original post so it wasn't quite so biting, and so it couldn't be so easily misconstrued as a balance whine, but whatever. I've been around for years now, and both myself and the community will get over it.
Hello
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-11 10:21:23
February 11 2012 10:09 GMT
#9
On February 11 2012 18:52 Selendis wrote:
I don't see race bashing as a huge problem. I mean you definitely shouldn't make posts about race "X" being imbalanced but I see no reason why you should suppress your feelings regarding a race. You just need to fidn the correct outlet for it.


You shouldn't suppress them - you should eliminate them entirely.

Thinking about the game in such ways is beyond pointless. Simply by playing it you already agree to all its rules and systems in place, and play within those boundaries that are outside of your influence or control. Playing the game and being pissed off at it is quite literally a waste of energy.

It's just sheer negativity and nothing good can ever come from it for anyone.

On February 11 2012 19:02 PH wrote:
The thing is, only players at the highest levels of play can really complain about balance and matchup difficulties. They're the ones pushing the game to the limit, and it's only when players are maximizing potential that any real imbalance can show itself.


I disagree with this as well.

Even if you theoretically knew everything about the game (which nobody does or can ever do), you still couldn't argue about imbalance because it's impossible for a human mind to process such complex relations and explore all the routes necessary to decisively conclude that something is simply too powerful. Moreover, the game doesn't play itself - there is a lot of subjectivity and the human factor is massive.

Arguing about balance is simply an issue of ego at any level ("I should be winning, but for reasons outside of my control, I am not"). Most progamers actually understand this and only lash out out of frustration, which is just an emotional response that really doesn't mean anything.
Selendis
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia509 Posts
February 11 2012 10:15 GMT
#10
On February 11 2012 19:09 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 18:52 Selendis wrote:
I don't see race bashing as a huge problem. I mean you definitely shouldn't make posts about race "X" being imbalanced but I see no reason why you should suppress your feelings regarding a race. You just need to fidn the correct outlet for it.


You shouldn't suppress them - you should eliminate them entirely.

Thinking about the game in such ways is beyond pointless. Simply by playing it you already agree to all its rules and systems in place, and play within those boundaries that are outside of your influence or control. Playing the game and being pissed off at it is quite literally a waste of energy.

It's just sheer negativity and nothing good can ever come from it for anyone.


*shrug* maybe it's just me but I kind of like the rage. It makes me get up and get some exercise (eg punching a punching bag, pushups etc) and gives me vengeful energy to keep laddering (so I can get my ladder pts back from those dirty, dirty zergs) and then when I do win I feel even better than If I won the first time I clicked that fidn match button.
Probes are sooo OP
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
February 11 2012 10:34 GMT
#11
On February 11 2012 19:01 FinestHour wrote:
As long as you dont put .45 caliber hollow point bullets through your computer, you are ok. Good patch for protoss coming, no fears.

QFT.

Just about everyone, regardless of race, will always feel unfairly treated due to game balance every once in a while. The key is to try and accept that you lost not because of balance, but because of something else. Watch the replays of your losses, analyse your games, learn from your mistakes.

More GG, more skill - WhiteRa
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
February 11 2012 11:02 GMT
#12
Hey man, I just want you to know that as a fellow Christian I'm really encouraged that you've decided to honour God first and change the way you act to better please Him. This game so easily gets you in a negative mindset where it tempts you to act out and use inappropriate words and show unjustified anger, it's really hard to act as a witness in those situations... but you can do it through Him who gives you strength!
Rockztar
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark210 Posts
February 11 2012 11:28 GMT
#13
LMAO man. I think it's cool if people wanna vent at me after a game, and tbh. there are some really funny comments in between. The Day9 compliments are hilarious too so go for that. :D
Good luck with your goals!
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 11 2012 12:14 GMT
#14
On February 11 2012 19:09 Talin wrote:
I disagree with this as well.

Even if you theoretically knew everything about the game (which nobody does or can ever do), you still couldn't argue about imbalance because it's impossible for a human mind to process such complex relations and explore all the routes necessary to decisively conclude that something is simply too powerful. Moreover, the game doesn't play itself - there is a lot of subjectivity and the human factor is massive.

Arguing about balance is simply an issue of ego at any level ("I should be winning, but for reasons outside of my control, I am not"). Most progamers actually understand this and only lash out out of frustration, which is just an emotional response that really doesn't mean anything.

I don't understand this...

So because humans can't play the game to its absolute hypothetical limit, we can't at any point look at game imbalance? That doesn't work...

The fact of the matter is that the game has an intended design. There's a way the people who made the game intended it to be played. They, of course, set up very loose parameters so the game can develop on its own. Paradigms form and change (what most would simply call the "metagame"). If something begins to function too far outside the intended parameters set up by the game designers, then that's something that should probably (but not always) be changed.

The biggest catalyst for changing something is due to something being deemed too powerful, too weak, or out of place. The first two would fall under the category of "imbalance".

The perspective you want to look at the game from completely removes the human aspect of the game. It's not supposed to be played out by AI and supercomputers. It's supposed to be played by people. The progamers play it at the highest level. There's no higher level. If something doesn't work at their level, then something is wrong with the game.

It doesn't matter that they individually don't have a complete picture -- they're not the ones responsible for balancing the game. What I'm saying is that balance below the highest level of play is irrelevant and a non-issue. You don't analyze bronze-level play to fix game balance. You also don't look at a mid-diamond player. You shouldn't even look at masters level players. Except for those pushing the game and human ability to their limits, there will always be a way to further optimize play, improve mechanics, make better decisions, etc. Going beyond that is pointless. That's a hypothetical ultimately irrelevant to what's actually happening in practice.
Hello
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
February 11 2012 12:50 GMT
#15
It's kind of funny, because with any other game if you feel a game is imbalanced you go to a different game. But Starcraft is Different, and Blizzard is Compelling.

If you honestly believe something is imba, then use it and win. If you can't, then maybe it actually does require some sort of skill, and maybe you do deserve to lose if the opponent can pull it off. (If you can, keep using it until you find someone who can counter it, then study how he did it.)
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Enyce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany43 Posts
February 11 2012 13:35 GMT
#16
As said before, don't beat yourself up for raging, if you have a hard time playing.
It's totally ok, to rage at you opponent at some times.
When I get e.g. cheesed and I loose, it sucks, but it's my fault and I'll need to improve that - but when my opponent gg's before I decided to gg, I'll often just rage at my opponent.
Raging at your opponent ingame saves me from raging at home or at my friends, so I'll do it to let off steam.
But while letting of steam, it's important to carry on afterwards.

Anyways, +1 for doing this:
1. I will do the Day[9] most random complimential compliment you can do trick

"There is nothing cooler than being passionate about the things you love." - Sean Plott
kerpal
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom2695 Posts
February 11 2012 13:56 GMT
#17
microneasea's warnings are OP.
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
February 11 2012 14:18 GMT
#18
Repent by stepping on a lego
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