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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
February 08 2012 03:06 GMT
#141
The only think League has that competitive SC2 doesn't is teamwork at the same time.
Some may consider it more difficult to co-ordinate 5 people at once compared to 1 person, but most people conclude that all the other factors that Starcraft is more difficult in tilt it in SC's favour.

It all comes down to opinions on the importantance and difficulty of teamwork
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LogiKalFail
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands30 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:09:43
February 08 2012 03:08 GMT
#142
Honestly
Ill just say what;s on the majority of peoples minds.

LoL is waaaay easier. Destiny was probably drunk. If not he is prob sick of being semi-pro sc2, you can imagine how frustrating it is losing on ladder. Now imagine losing when you know your GOOD.

LoL is a joke, im sorry but its designed for people who don't like to multi-task but like to feel good about themselves by making colorful spells pop up.

also please don't bring intelligence into a game, im sorry there are a ton of people who aren't good at college/exams and do very well in sc2 and the reverse is also true its just pointless to equate intelligence with game skill

End-
Dem' fUckas
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 08 2012 03:14 GMT
#143
I'd assume the root of Destiny's comments at this point come from the awareness that his 'watchability' is what makes him money. With him constantly streaming LoL, he's going to lose a lot of SC2 viewers and need to draw in more LoL ones, what better way than to stir shit up with onstream comments and chat discussion that promotes the fanaticism present in pretty much every fanbase(and one that LoL is becoming very known for in a defensive sense because it is a constant target).

Does he have absolutely no conviction in the statements he made? That's probably not true, at some level he believes what he has said, even if it's in a 'fingers crossed about that part, I know in my head I meant something more specific but this broad term works well.'
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
February 08 2012 03:27 GMT
#144
I won't say that LoL doesn't require some quick-thinking, and good micro, to be a quality player. But it's silly to put in on the same level of almost any RTS.

In a SC2 match, there is like a million things you could've done better, had you the infinite APM required to pull it all off. The skill ceiling is almost infinitely higher than most other games.

Destiny isn't the only one to make the comment that LoL is "harder" than SC2, although it is nonetheless wrong. And LoL is a growing e-sport. But whereas SC2's popularity comes from the extremely impressive mechanics required to play it at a professional level, LoL's popularity comes from the fact that everyone can play it and understand what's going on.

Also, any real strategy from LoL comes from an organized team. Individually... it's just a ridiculously simple game. In any match, your choices are extremely limited. There is only so much you can improve on.

Never watched Destiny's stream, so I don't really care what he does or says. He ought to consider the fact that LoL is saturated with "pro" streamers. I think in the long-run, if he is as good as some people say he is, he should really stick with SC2. Better to be an average pro in a real sport than a little-league champ.
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Kyo Yuy
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:37:35
February 08 2012 03:35 GMT
#145
On February 08 2012 11:56 J1.au wrote:
As a BW fan, this makes me laugh.

In 2 years, QWOP will become the rising/dominant eSport and all of the DOTA/MOBA/whatever you want to call it fans will make huge angry blogs about how a game that requires no skill is taking over the eSports scene.

IT WILL HAPPEN, JUST YOU WAIT.
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.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
February 08 2012 03:37 GMT
#146
If someone plays a game based off how hard it is, I feel bad for them. Video games are supposed to be fun, IMO. If you enjoy SC2, well then that's great for you but I personally do not enjoy it. I enjoy LoL, I really could care less about how "hard" it is. How the hell does one even define "hard" for that matter? The old saying comparing apples to oranges comes to mind because of how absolutely pointless it is to argue over how "hard" a game is. Some people enjoy SC2, some LoL, some DotA, some BW, it all really comes down to what you enjoy so please stop shitting over other people's games. Unless you find pleasure in insulting strangers on the internet in which case I really have no argument for you.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
February 08 2012 03:45 GMT
#147
People just need to stop passing judgement on stuff they're not familiar with. Obviously SC2 is more mechanically demanding but please stop bashing on other games.
I see plenty of people crying that LoL doesn't deserve to be an eSport et etc. Hey you know what, even if you don't like the game you should be happy more games are being included in tournaments because that's what's going to bring in money for future tourneys and exposure and growth of eSports. ESports isn't going to flourish with ONE game being designated as the only real worthy game or something ridiculous like that. That's why people like Day9 promote gaming in general.
Funnily enough these are the same people who bashed SC2 for being the noob game compared to brood war. Same in case of LoL and Dota. Guess what, a few years from now when LoL is well established (its a growing game compared to the already matured and older dota) there will be another new upcoming game which will get bashed for being inferior to LoL. The cycle goes on.
To the haters its not even about skill either. I mean, how many of these people can play either of the games competitively? Its just about feeling superior to everyone else cuz they play the 'better' game so they are smarter and everyone else is dumb and retarded. Its pathetic.

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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 08 2012 03:48 GMT
#148
On February 08 2012 12:37 AKcommie wrote:
If someone plays a game based off how hard it is, I feel bad for them. Video games are supposed to be fun, IMO. If you enjoy SC2, well then that's great for you but I personally do not enjoy it. I enjoy LoL, I really could care less about how "hard" it is. How the hell does one even define "hard" for that matter? The old saying comparing apples to oranges comes to mind because of how absolutely pointless it is to argue over how "hard" a game is. Some people enjoy SC2, some LoL, some DotA, some BW, it all really comes down to what you enjoy so please stop shitting over other people's games. Unless you find pleasure in insulting strangers on the internet in which case I really have no argument for you.


That's all well and good, and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I appreciate the moral high ground, but this discussion began because Destiny 'threw the first blow' if you will(not that previous to his comment, swarms of people haven't weighed in on it one way or the other).

The same way that you feel bad for someone who plays a game based on how hard it is(I don't think that's why people play sc2, it may play a part in the decision but surely they enjoy RTS, the Starcraft universe, Blizzard games, science-fiction, etc), I feel bad that you feel insulted by someone's perception that the game you play is 'not hard' or 'not the hardest.'

None of the above is reason for there to be no discussion about the topic. Telling people what they can't discuss/argue over is silly.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
SolidSnake!
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5 Posts
February 08 2012 03:53 GMT
#149
Destiny, my question to you is whether or not being competitive in Starcraft 2 is your current priority, obviously you will play what makes you happy as well as what meets your obligations but i'm curious if your recent streaming of LoL is you getting a better feel for the game on a competitive level and playing around with the idea of getting better at that or just another game to play, like dues ex from a few months back. You being on Quantic would obviously indicate your continuation as a Starcraft 2 player, so I guess my question is , is that still what you are trying to achieve and is league just a game to play when you need a break from practicing SC2 or is it another interest of your competitively? As a fan of E-sports and Destiny i will suport you, through your stream regardless of your choice and wish you luck.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 03:56:25
February 08 2012 03:55 GMT
#150
tbh destiny's comment seemed more throwaway trolling than anything else. Why do people have to jump at anything a well known person says and then blow it out of proportions and make a melodramatic post about it about how they have no respect and so on.

And its not that I'm averse to discussion, but the OP is obviously a flame-baiting post and these topics degenerate into people insulting everyone else's preferred games.
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Peanutbutter717
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States240 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 04:05:24
February 08 2012 04:02 GMT
#151
On February 08 2012 12:48 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 12:37 AKcommie wrote:
If someone plays a game based off how hard it is, I feel bad for them. Video games are supposed to be fun, IMO. If you enjoy SC2, well then that's great for you but I personally do not enjoy it. I enjoy LoL, I really could care less about how "hard" it is. How the hell does one even define "hard" for that matter? The old saying comparing apples to oranges comes to mind because of how absolutely pointless it is to argue over how "hard" a game is. Some people enjoy SC2, some LoL, some DotA, some BW, it all really comes down to what you enjoy so please stop shitting over other people's games. Unless you find pleasure in insulting strangers on the internet in which case I really have no argument for you.


The same way that you feel bad for someone who plays a game based on how hard it is(I don't think that's why people play sc2, it may play a part in the decision but surely they enjoy RTS, the Starcraft universe, Blizzard games, science-fiction, etc), I feel bad that you feel insulted by someone's perception that the game you play is 'not hard' or 'not the hardest.'
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I think he got upset because he realizes how much time people put into these RTS's. The players in Korea play sc2 and BW alot, and you have to play the game everyday to keep that muscle memory intact and to keep up with the shifting late game.

After not lifting for a few days, I have to focus on my technique more because I took a day or 2 off. Muscle memory is really important for something fast paced, where a small mistake can snowball into a disaster.

There are other people that don't take kindly to people praising LoL as being a very in-depth game that requires alot of skill, these are mostly the HoN players.


On February 08 2012 12:55 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
tbh destiny's comment seemed more throwaway trolling than anything else. Why do people have to jump at anything a well known person says and then blow it out of proportions and make a melodramatic post about it about how they have no respect and so on.

And its not that I'm averse to discussion, but the OP is obviously a flame-baiting post and these topics degenerate into people insulting everyone else's preferred games.


I think because he himself came into the thread to defend his position. And it didn't seem like trolling because he answered alot of people.
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SolidSnake!
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5 Posts
February 08 2012 04:31 GMT
#152
Just read the "perspective" post on Reddit, nvm with regards to my previous question/post.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
February 08 2012 04:51 GMT
#153
you can win gsl without a brain, but destiny cant win shit even though he plays for hours everyday? hmmmm.... not sure if he is insulting sc2 players, or himself....

regardless, who gives a shit what destiny says...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 05:09:03
February 08 2012 05:05 GMT
#154
On February 08 2012 05:17 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 05:13 Destiny wrote:
On February 08 2012 04:08 rei wrote:
On February 08 2012 02:35 Destiny wrote:

I've made some pretty outlandish statements recently, mostly out of anger, I think, due to how fucking stupid the vocal minority in this community is. That being said, the "strategy" aspect of Starcraft 2 is insanely lacking. I've given up trying to convince casuals of that, but I'd gladly discuss that aspect with any other pro gamer, and I'm pretty certain they'd agree with me.



My complaint has never been that Starcraft 2 is "hard", just that time invested into the game is everything, with strategy/intelligence taking a far far far backseat to just raw games invested.




We would like to see your argument on how strategy aspect of sc2 is insanely lacking(lacking compare to wah?), and why time invested into the game is everything, and why strategy / intelligence is taking a far far far back seat. What about tactics? is that also lacking too? i'm sure someone as smart as yourself knows the difference between strategic aspect of sc2 and tactically aspect of sc2.

If you compared sc2 with bw, then ya your statement make sense, sc2 is lacking, but you have not played bw, so you have no idea of how deep that rabbit hole goes.(and time invested in bw is even more a factor than sc2)

Where do you draw your arguments?


Just write everything off I say as QQ and go ask other pros. I've tried to explain it too many times, but if you don't actually play the game at a high level it's too easy to dismiss everything I say.

People mostly dismiss what you say because you haven't really played SC2 at a high level so it's hard to take your word that SC2 is easy.

wow. one of the few posts that makes "lol" no a lie for me.
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
February 08 2012 05:13 GMT
#155
Two different games, two different genres. Not to mention it's stupid to think "which game is harder/easier," and why people get up in arms over it (i.e BW v. SC2, DoTA/HoN/LoL, etc.). It doesn't matter. Play the games that are most fun to you.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 08 2012 05:21 GMT
#156
It is endlessly hilarious to read such vitriol from SC2 fans.

I'm gonna go watch some BW.
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
February 08 2012 05:21 GMT
#157
On February 08 2012 10:14 Gann1 wrote:
oh yeah well rock-paper-scissors takes more skill than tic-tac-toe.



no, it doesnt.
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 05:25:35
February 08 2012 05:25 GMT
#158
oops double post :x
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
February 08 2012 05:47 GMT
#159
On February 08 2012 14:21 Ballistixz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:14 Gann1 wrote:
oh yeah well rock-paper-scissors takes more skill than tic-tac-toe.

no, it doesnt.

It kind of depends.

I beat my friend @ rock-paper-scissors 15 times in a row. Ignoring the draws, the odds of that are like one out of 32k I believe. Once you figure tic-tac-toe (which any 10 year old can do), you can play perfectly for eternity. Yet if you play rock-paper-scissors (against people), you can kind of "figure them out" and win more than them... Obviously this is impossible against a computer.

Still, it's a tough call - what takes more "skill"? Being able to get a draw every tic-tac-toe game or being able to figure out someone's "move pattern" at R-P-S?
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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
February 08 2012 06:15 GMT
#160
LoL has taken over as the biggest esport, LoL gets 5x more viewers than sc2 does and its logical to make a move on the bigger market.
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