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downmaster
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada116 Posts
February 08 2012 06:57 GMT
#161
Look I can agree with destiny going to LoL.

The comment Destiny made about LoL being harder is just ludicrous. It's not even the hardest moba game. I have even heard some top Moba players say, that if they had a choice in what game they can play at the highest level they choose SC2 because of it's difficulty and complexity. I think Destiny is just in a slump ATM.
chaosfreak11
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore367 Posts
February 08 2012 09:59 GMT
#162
LoL is actually harder because you have teamates to pull you down
ssi.bal-listic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States568 Posts
February 08 2012 10:12 GMT
#163
You're shitting me.
Did he really say LoL takes more skill than SC2?
LoL is mechanically easiest piece of shit there is...
"It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you" "The strong one doesn't win, the one that wins is strong"
LogiKalFail
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands30 Posts
February 08 2012 10:16 GMT
#164
pretty sure destiny gets more money being average in sc2 than in LoL - illogical switch.
LoL viewers already are dedicated to people like theoddone etc
Dem' fUckas
TrainSamurai
Profile Joined November 2010
339 Posts
February 08 2012 10:26 GMT
#165
Look I think we're all being stupid. The way I see it BW took a lot of time to become what it is today, give LoL some time and it will become like sc2.
LoL is the greatest thing to happen to ESPORS. LoL is the KING of ESPORTS
LogiKalFail
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands30 Posts
February 08 2012 10:29 GMT
#166
On February 08 2012 19:26 TrainSamurai wrote:
Look I think we're all being stupid. The way I see it BW took a lot of time to become what it is today, give LoL some time and it will become like sc2.


no dude I think we're right, LoL is just plain bad.
dont lose hope we WILL win this
Dem' fUckas
deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 11:23:33
February 08 2012 11:03 GMT
#167
Im going to post my opinions on this in a S (statement) and O (my opinion) format

S: LoL needs no skill, SC2 is so hard needs so much more skill and so much more apm
O: Then explain: if SC2 needs so much skill, why did I, a 15 year old kid with a disabled left hand+fingers which are very hard to move accurately, get into masters in 3 months of practicing SC2 with like 80 apm average + Show Spoiler +
also I think the BW fans would like a word with you


S: lol does it matter? Look at the average SC2 player apm, its 200 or higher. Average LoL apm is like 30
O: Nonono the average SC2 PRO apm is 200 or higher. The average SC2 player apm is like 50

S: Either way in SC2 you need to know mechanics, builds, timings, how to multitask, how to scout and react and so much more shit
O: In LoL you need to know 92 champions, all of their abilities (around 368 in total, not including passive), jungle spawn timings, how to counterpick, how to change your build depending on the opponent's composition, etc. Not much of an argument there

S: Even if you need to know a lot, LoL is still mechanically super easy and made for retards who can't multitask
O: I won't argue with the fact that SC2 is mechanically more difficult than LoL, however, you need to learn what Elo Hell is, and that even if your mechanics are "SUPER ULTRA BEAST" from SC2 u'll still die without cooperating with teammates + Show Spoiler +
btw SC2 is mechanically super easy and made for retards who can't multitask too according to BW fans


S: You're just a LoL fanboy who sucks at SC2, you're opinions don't mean shit
O: Well I did get into masters, so... And I've also played BW AND SC2 for like 4 times longer than LoL... And I never said SC2 was bad, I'm just saying all the SC2 fanboy arguments are A: Exactly the same as the BW vs SC2 ones or B: Don't make any fucking sense


Edit: Now for some lolz (copying some SC2'ers hating on LoL and transforming them into BW hating on SC2):
+ Show Spoiler +
1. "You're shitting me.
Did he really say SC2 takes more skill than BW?
SC2 is mechanically easiest piece of shit there is..."

2. "Honestly
Ill just say what;s on the majority of peoples minds.

SC2 is waaaay easier. *insert pro name here* was probably drunk. If not he is prob sick of being semi-pro BW, you can imagine how frustrating it is losing on ladder. Now imagine losing when you know your GOOD.

SC2 is a joke, im sorry but its designed for people who don't like to multi-task but like to feel good about themselves by making colorful spells pop up.

also please don't bring intelligence into a game, im sorry there are a ton of people who aren't good at college/exams and do very well in BW and the reverse is also true its just pointless to equate intelligence with game skill "

3. "A game that requires no skill such as SC2 might make you feel relieved, you might feel good about yourself when you win matches. Owning noobs and what-not. But deluding yourself into believing you are actually playing a game superior to StarCraft BroodWar is unacceptable, and quite frankly, pathethic."

"SC2 is a terrible game, I won't even get into how shitty the community and pubs are on there. Fuck that. It's more about luck then skill, what skills do you need in SC2 honestly? learning a build order, scouting, know what all the unit abilitys and shit do, what builds to do etc. Is that really harder then BW? I have played at least a thosand games of both and the answer is no.

*insert pro name here* is just stirring shit up I think, it's all he does."

There are many ironic comments in this thread

Edit 2: Before I get hate on also being a BW fanboy, this was just so you could see how ironic the situation you're in now is
XiVol
Profile Joined September 2010
Wales74 Posts
February 08 2012 11:10 GMT
#168
Good points deathray, I'm also in master league and although LoL might be much easier mechanically wise than SC2. It is a much harder game to get to the top.
Pulzlulz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany412 Posts
February 08 2012 11:11 GMT
#169
Holy shit, the fanboyism in thread blew my mind.
LogiKalFail
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands30 Posts
February 08 2012 11:27 GMT
#170
honestly, comparing GSL level starcraft to LoL is just so idiotic its not even about being a fanboy its just a joke

but you know what, if you like LoL, play it not because its harder than sc2 but because it gives you more pleasure. I'd rather play the easier game which ofcourse LoL is. Hence I encourage people to play LoL, sc2 gives an experience that can be unpleasant so I understand the hate etc etc etc etc
Dem' fUckas
deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 11:44:01
February 08 2012 11:39 GMT
#171
On February 08 2012 20:27 LogiKalFail wrote:
honestly, comparing GSL level starcraft to LoL is just so idiotic its not even about being a fanboy its just a joke

but you know what, if you like LoL, play it not because its harder than sc2 but because it gives you more pleasure. I'd rather play the easier game which ofcourse LoL is. Hence I encourage people to play LoL, sc2 gives an experience that can be unpleasant so I understand the hate etc etc etc etc


Yea lets compare tornament lvl SC2 to casual (bronze-gold SC2) LoL that seems totally fair am i right?
Imo bronze league SC2 compared to tornament level LoL is just so idiotic its not even about being a fanboy its just a joke too.

Not bashing you, but just saying, that argument is kinda dumb :/
preddo
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 11:52:45
February 08 2012 11:51 GMT
#172
not only does LoL takes minimal amounts of skill to play at the very top level, it's a horrible game to watch. kind of like watching a group of people painting a wall. there's always 1 obvious correct option to go for, and nothing beyond that.
Mathematics is not a spectator sport
LogiKalFail
Profile Joined February 2012
Cayman Islands30 Posts
February 08 2012 11:55 GMT
#173
@deathray ; I meant to compare best of LoL to best of sc2, because I dont feel you can judge the real "skill" of either games otherwise.

best of LoL are no way near that to sc2. also - LoL can be learnt like a book, there are only so many things that can be done (cant believe people are comparing SC2 A GAME WITH MORE THAN ONE UNIT TO CONTROL) to LoL.
Dem' fUckas
UltimateHurl
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland591 Posts
February 08 2012 12:10 GMT
#174
I've never LoL'ed before, reading this made me want to LoL (if only to compare it to SC2). My experiences with DotA2 tell me that subgenre can be fairly tricky to play, if not fast-paced.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13051 Posts
February 08 2012 12:21 GMT
#175
Who is this destiny dude and why ppl care about what he has to say?
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 12:26:19
February 08 2012 12:25 GMT
#176
Wait, so SC2 is to BW what LoL is to DotA. How can fans of either games bash each other when both are dumbed-down/more casual versions in the first place?

On February 08 2012 21:21 SkelA wrote:
Who is this destiny dude and why ppl care about what he has to say?

Well, no idea.
DanceOnCreep
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany22 Posts
February 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#177
desinty made some awesome funny vods and had a funny sc2 stream, but i never watched his stream cuz i think he is a awesome sc2 player, sure his infestor play was creative at the time it came up, but he never reached the level of lower tier european pros so if he wants to switch the game or is frustrated about sc2 at all its fine, if u think he is a funny guy and u like his stream watch his stream and if u dont then dont do it, the headline post is way of a overreaction
and if u really watch his stream cuz u want to watch a good zerg player please give guys like gLsnute more attention cuz he is a really good zerg player and doesnt even gets 10% of the viewer count that a destiny gets
deathray797
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 12:55:52
February 08 2012 12:53 GMT
#178
On February 08 2012 20:51 preddo wrote:
not only does LoL takes minimal amounts of skill to play at the very top level, it's a horrible game to watch. kind of like watching a group of people painting a wall. there's always 1 obvious correct option to go for, and nothing beyond that.


Judging a game by how much fun it is to watch... really.
+ Show Spoiler +
God even though I said that I think BW>SC2 for that very reason :/. IM A BAD PERSON


On February 08 2012 20:55 LogiKalFail wrote:
@deathray ; I meant to compare best of LoL to best of sc2, because I dont feel you can judge the real "skill" of either games otherwise.

best of LoL are no way near that to sc2. also - LoL can be learnt like a book, there are only so many things that can be done (cant believe people are comparing SC2 A GAME WITH MORE THAN ONE UNIT TO CONTROL) to LoL.


O ok I misunderstood you my bad. The thing is that you can get into mid masters in SC2 by learning some builds, timings, and simply not doing stupid shit like forgetting to build supply depots/pylons/overlords for like 5 minutes fairly easily. This kinda connects to my first and fourth point in my very first post. Even though SC2 DOES require more mechanical expertise, the amount needed to be relatively good at the game is fairly low, hence why even I could get "good" at sc2 despite my problems.

Additionally, the difficulty of both games is similar, it's just difficulty of different types. Sc2 is difficult because you yourself cannot make any mistakes or it puts you at a severe disadvantage, while LoL is difficult because your allies can put you at a disadvantage so that despite you winning your lane the opponent(s) is/are still more fed than you, forcing you to try to carry the game. Thinking the reverse way, both games are easy because in Sc2, if your opponents make a mistake, they gain a disadvantage, while in LoL if your allies get fed, they can simply carry you.

TL;DR: You're right that comparing Sc2 and LoL is dumb because they are games of different types, but the fact that you're implying Sc2 is much harder than LoL at tornament level is just you're opinion and both are equally hard in different ways.
preddo
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
February 08 2012 13:10 GMT
#179
BREATHING AND TAKING OVER THE WORLD ARE EQUALLY HARD IN DIFFERENT WAYS

User was warned for this post
Mathematics is not a spectator sport
Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
February 08 2012 13:13 GMT
#180
As I moved from game to game, my general skill slowly degraded. BW > SC2 > LoL. Wanna know why? Mechanics ain't everything. Mechanics are what got me "good" at BW (relative to the median line), decent at SC2, and mediocre-at-best at LoL. You need a shit-ton of knowledge in LoL, then put that encyclopedia to work in snap-judgment decisions. I'm not saying one game is particularly harder than the other -- they're different types of difficulty, as deathray said -- but you can't just dismiss LoL as "easier."
"What does Rivington do when he's not commentating?" "Drool." ~ Categorist
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