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leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:08 GMT
#1
Okay, so i have been a lot of trouble beating zerg. i cannot beat them at all. i can beat toss and terran easily, (i am a diamond toss btw) but zerg is impossible. I have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg and it is really starting to piss me off. If a zerg goes ling muta there is no way i can win. its just impossible for me. if they go roach then i have a slight chance, but still no cigar. its gotten to the point where if i see them building a fast spire i just attack and if they don't die oh well. I have done mass blink stalker with templar and archons and zeltos, they still just fly around until i have no money and there is no taking a third for me because they have a zillion lings to stop and if i use my stalkers to expo they kill me with mutas. it just seems hopless and sometimes i just wanna quit when its a zerg without even playing. this game depresses me sometimes because of zerg.

if there is anyone who can teach me to beat ling muta or even just to all in a zerg then please help.

my tag is solid.679 and i have skype but my mic is at home...i am currently staying in my dorm. but ill have that soon enough.

*
always go for the win!
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
February 06 2012 08:18 GMT
#2
strat forum?
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 06 2012 08:19 GMT
#3
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Selendis
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia509 Posts
February 06 2012 08:21 GMT
#4
sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back.
Probes are sooo OP
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:22 GMT
#5
On February 06 2012 17:18 Loanshark wrote:
strat forum?


maybe but I feel it was more of a rant. if it should be there then please have an admin move it
always go for the win!
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:24 GMT
#6
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.
always go for the win!
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 08:25:57
February 06 2012 08:25 GMT
#7
On February 06 2012 17:21 Selendis wrote:
sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back.


I wanna beat them with macro its not getting out macroed i just cannot deal with muta ling which is 80% of the zergs i play. but i will try 7 gating, thats with a FFE right?
always go for the win!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 06 2012 08:27 GMT
#8
On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.

sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Bd.Snake
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 08:29:36
February 06 2012 08:29 GMT
#9
Go watch some pvz from the gsl and stop being a whiny retard
You already have the resources to get better i don't get why you don't use them and just make a stupid thread like this
in the time you have made this thread and refreshed waiting for your answer you could of actually done something yourself





User was temp banned for this post.
Well see the thing of it is you know theres alot of ugly people out there walking around but they dont know there ugly because nobody actually tells them
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:30 GMT
#10
On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.

sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey?


okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me
always go for the win!
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:31 GMT
#11
On February 06 2012 17:29 Bd.Snake wrote:
Go watch some pvz from the gsl and stop being a whiny retard
You already have the resources to get better i don't get why you don't use them and just make a stupid thread like this
in the time you have made this thread and refreshed waiting for your answer you could of actually done something yourself





ok people on here are getting out of hand...you think I have not done that? I am not stupid. I have been doing that. I have watched countless muta ling replay's and i just cannot get there alone. do you have to be mean about it, dont you have something better with your time to do?
always go for the win!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 08:35:53
February 06 2012 08:33 GMT
#12
On February 06 2012 17:30 leadphyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.

sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey?


okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me

ok, quick guide:
Forge fast exp
6-7 gate + twilight or robo
walk out to pressure, take third
make lots of stalkers and some colo, make canons
take 4th, start teching to Mothership and archons
If he kills your MS+stalker+colo-archon army (which he wont) means he had liek 20 BLs anf indfestors, so have 3-4 stargate ready and chrono the shit out of voidrays to win the game

My ZERG teammate does this to me with Protoss and i lose like 50% of the times (i can beat him in ZVZ, though he's better). The last game we played i lost with having 19k points mroe then he did, so yeah, poor protoss, cant beat zerg
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
February 06 2012 08:34 GMT
#13
I am also around your level, (high plat consistently playing low-mid diamond) and I consider PvZ my best match up, I have at least an 80% win rate atm.

I'm assuming you know how to FFE. If not, that's probably why you're losing all your PvZ's. A huge thing I realized with the FFE when I was watching Kiwikaki's stream is that you should spend almost all of your chrono on probes. Then, with the huge and disproportionate min:gas ratio you use the extra minerals to put cannons everywhere, about 4 around each base's mineral line. This prevents any super early muta pressure, you can add on more cannons if you see the zerg being extra aggressive, and you can safely transition into twilight tech from there. This extra cannon support also allows you to take a third easily. Don't forget to make at least 5 sentries as well, they're essential to stop ling surrounds and/or sudden roach tech switches. Keep +1 attack upgrade ahead for your zealots using chrono to deal with lings while getting your third up as well.

Also make sure you have your Z favored, or your weakest PvZ, maps vetoed (for me that means Xel'naga, Metalopolis, and Shattered since it's hard for me to FFE on those maps but you can veto anything that is unfavorable to your playstyle).
Tracking treasure down
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:44 GMT
#14
On February 06 2012 17:33 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:30 leadphyc wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.

sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey?


okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me

ok, quick guide:
Forge fast exp
6-7 gate + twilight or robo
walk out to pressure, take third
make lots of stalkers and some colo, make canons
take 4th, start teching to Mothership and archons
If he kills your MS+stalker+colo-archon army (which he wont) means he had liek 20 BLs anf indfestors, so have 3-4 stargate ready and chrono the shit out of voidrays to win the game

My ZERG teammate does this to me with Protoss and i lose like 50% of the times (i can beat him in ZVZ, though he's better). The last game we played i lost with having 19k points mroe then he did, so yeah, poor protoss, cant beat zerg



thank you thats what I need
always go for the win!
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:46 GMT
#15
On February 06 2012 17:34 PolskaGora wrote:
I am also around your level, (high plat consistently playing low-mid diamond) and I consider PvZ my best match up, I have at least an 80% win rate atm.

I'm assuming you know how to FFE. If not, that's probably why you're losing all your PvZ's. A huge thing I realized with the FFE when I was watching Kiwikaki's stream is that you should spend almost all of your chrono on probes. Then, with the huge and disproportionate min:gas ratio you use the extra minerals to put cannons everywhere, about 4 around each base's mineral line. This prevents any super early muta pressure, you can add on more cannons if you see the zerg being extra aggressive, and you can safely transition into twilight tech from there. This extra cannon support also allows you to take a third easily. Don't forget to make at least 5 sentries as well, they're essential to stop ling surrounds and/or sudden roach tech switches. Keep +1 attack upgrade ahead for your zealots using chrono to deal with lings while getting your third up as well.

Also make sure you have your Z favored, or your weakest PvZ, maps vetoed (for me that means Xel'naga, Metalopolis, and Shattered since it's hard for me to FFE on those maps but you can veto anything that is unfavorable to your playstyle).


that's pretty helpful thank you. maybe something will take with me here.
always go for the win!
Selendis
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia509 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 08:51:42
February 06 2012 08:47 GMT
#16
On February 06 2012 17:25 leadphyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:21 Selendis wrote:
sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back.


I wanna beat them with macro its not getting out macroed i just cannot deal with muta ling which is 80% of the zergs i play. but i will try 7 gating, thats with a FFE right?


Well if you really want to win games against zerg with a macro game then try this:

1. Expand with your preferred expansion method.
2. Chrono as many probes as you can whilst having just enough sentries to hold off any early aggression
3. Get hallucination to use those sentries who are now high on energy to see what the zerg is up to.
4. React to what you see. If he has got a third, get more gateway units and a third, If he's massing roaches off two base then get a robo and get a collosus deathball asap. If he is getting mutas then stay on blinkstalkers until you have a decent number then get high templar with storm, one templar per mineral field and a couple of cannons.
5. Defend until you are approaching max
6.Get a few archons and collosi in your deathball and stomp him before he gets broodlords.
7. ???
8. Profit

Now obviously it isn't that easy, but ultimately your success will come down to how good you are at multitasking and managing your expansions.

As for 7 gating, it doesn't matter how you expand but FFE works best because you can usually sneak out an attack upgrade before you start warping in at your proxy pylon.
Probes are sooo OP
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:51 GMT
#17
hallucination. totally forgot about that...that would give me an early scout on the ling muta\
always go for the win!
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 06 2012 08:53 GMT
#18
Here's a tip I got from grubby casting the empire vs mousesports team game in NASL:

* FFE, get a strong economy and blink stalkers, don't build cannons but use your stalkers to defend.
* When you army reaches a critical size, put about 5 cannons in each mineral line and push.
* Take third while pushing.

Basically, mutas can't do crap when you have enough blink stalkers in each mineral line, and zerg has to take a third to keep up with the 2 base toss. By building cannons just before you move out, you put all your early economy into an army, and with some good timing, you can hit the zerg before they have even close to enough defense to hold. At the same time, 5 cannons in each mineral line is enough to stop the base race (assuming your macro is good enough and that you're pushing before the muta count becomes ridiculous). Assuming you take down one of zergs bases and start getting your third up, you should be way ahead.
leadphyc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 08:59 GMT
#19
On February 06 2012 17:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Here's a tip I got from grubby casting the empire vs mousesports team game in NASL:

* FFE, get a strong economy and blink stalkers, don't build cannons but use your stalkers to defend.
* When you army reaches a critical size, put about 5 cannons in each mineral line and push.
* Take third while pushing.

Basically, mutas can't do crap when you have enough blink stalkers in each mineral line, and zerg has to take a third to keep up with the 2 base toss. By building cannons just before you move out, you put all your early economy into an army, and with some good timing, you can hit the zerg before they have even close to enough defense to hold. At the same time, 5 cannons in each mineral line is enough to stop the base race (assuming your macro is good enough and that you're pushing before the muta count becomes ridiculous). Assuming you take down one of zergs bases and start getting your third up, you should be way ahead.


ill try that thnx
always go for the win!
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 06 2012 09:27 GMT
#20
1. Go to strat forum.
2. Attach a replay or two.
3. Explain what you're ATTEMPTING to do against zerg and the things you think you screwed up and the things that you were just lost about.
4. Try to chin up.
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