zerg.........

On February 06 2012 17:18 Loanshark wrote:
strat forum?

On February 06 2012 17:19 Geo.Rion wrote:
" have not beaten a zerg in almost 2 weeks now and beating everything that is not zerg"
I'm a 100% sure this is a lie, so didnt bother reading the rest (of the 1 paragraph blog, lol)

On February 06 2012 17:21 Selendis wrote:
sounds like you are being outmacroed. you might want to consider learning how to 7gate and do that each game. it's a cheap and easy way to get wins back.

On February 06 2012 17:24 leadphyc wrote:


100% sure its a lie? im a diamond toss playing plat toss and terran because I cannot beat zerg, i always beat toss and terran because i never play them at the diamond level i only hit diamond zergs who kill me then its back to playing plat players then killing them then hitting zerg again and it is just a cycle.

On February 06 2012 17:27 Geo.Rion wrote:

sure you do, everyone on tl.net plays one league higher opponent all the time. go back to your match list, check the last 30 games, if there isnt a loss to T/P or a win to Zerg i'll wire you 1k dollar, okey?

On February 06 2012 17:29 Bd.Snake wrote:
Go watch some pvz from the gsl and stop being a whiny retard
You already have the resources to get better i don't get why you don't use them and just make a stupid thread like this
in the time you have made this thread and refreshed waiting for your answer you could of actually done something yourself

On February 06 2012 17:30 leadphyc wrote:


okay......this isn't the point of the post........and the last 30 games 20 were zerg and 10 were toss and terran. the point is I cannot beat zerg. they are an unsolvable mystery to me

On February 06 2012 17:33 Geo.Rion wrote:

ok, quick guide:
Forge fast exp
6-7 gate + twilight or robo
walk out to pressure, take third
make lots of stalkers and some colo, make canons
take 4th, start teching to Mothership and archons
If he kills your MS+stalker+colo-archon army (which he wont) means he had liek 20 BLs anf indfestors, so have 3-4 stargate ready and chrono the shit out of voidrays to win the game

My ZERG teammate does this to me with Protoss and i lose like 50% of the times (i can beat him in ZVZ, though he's better). The last game we played i lost with having 19k points mroe then he did, so yeah, poor protoss, cant beat zerg

On February 06 2012 17:34 PolskaGora wrote:
I am also around your level, (high plat consistently playing low-mid diamond) and I consider PvZ my best match up, I have at least an 80% win rate atm.

I'm assuming you know how to FFE. If not, that's probably why you're losing all your PvZ's. A huge thing I realized with the FFE when I was watching Kiwikaki's stream is that you should spend almost all of your chrono on probes. Then, with the huge and disproportionate min:gas ratio you use the extra minerals to put cannons everywhere, about 4 around each base's mineral line. This prevents any super early muta pressure, you can add on more cannons if you see the zerg being extra aggressive, and you can safely transition into twilight tech from there. This extra cannon support also allows you to take a third easily. Don't forget to make at least 5 sentries as well, they're essential to stop ling surrounds and/or sudden roach tech switches. Keep +1 attack upgrade ahead for your zealots using chrono to deal with lings while getting your third up as well.

Also make sure you have your Z favored, or your weakest PvZ, maps vetoed (for me that means Xel'naga, Metalopolis, and Shattered since it's hard for me to FFE on those maps but you can veto anything that is unfavorable to your playstyle).

On February 06 2012 17:25 leadphyc wrote:


I wanna beat them with macro its not getting out macroed i just cannot deal with muta ling which is 80% of the zergs i play. but i will try 7 gating, thats with a FFE right?

On February 06 2012 17:53 Tobberoth wrote:
Here's a tip I got from grubby casting the empire vs mousesports team game in NASL:

* FFE, get a strong economy and blink stalkers, don't build cannons but use your stalkers to defend.
* When you army reaches a critical size, put about 5 cannons in each mineral line and push.
* Take third while pushing.

Basically, mutas can't do crap when you have enough blink stalkers in each mineral line, and zerg has to take a third to keep up with the 2 base toss. By building cannons just before you move out, you put all your early economy into an army, and with some good timing, you can hit the zerg before they have even close to enough defense to hold. At the same time, 5 cannons in each mineral line is enough to stop the base race (assuming your macro is good enough and that you're pushing before the muta count becomes ridiculous). Assuming you take down one of zergs bases and start getting your third up, you should be way ahead.