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I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
Felt the exact same way when I read through the blog.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
My thoughts exactly (maybe except for some assumptions in the last paragraph) ...
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
holy shit you got passionate while writing that XD
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I agree with Geneside's post as well. Purposely playing people that are not as good as you in order to publicly humiliate them is just being a bully. Pretty shameful and mean spirited in my opinion.
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On February 06 2012 08:20 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
holy shit you got passionate while writing that XD
He has a point, but an arguably invalid point.
Sure mass leaving games from diamond to bronze and then proceeding to 6 pool every game would be something of a "schoolyard bully", but worker rushing? Arguably the least effective strategy (anti-strategy I think Gheed once referred to it as) in the entire strategy book bar attacking your own building with workers.
The existence of this blog alone is evidence that there exists a plane of reality so far removed from us that only by applying anti logic can we hope to venture downwards and glimpse at it's form. You say that Gheed is "attempt(ing) to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner." What are you suggesting exactly, that bronze level players lack the proper resources to press a button and use a mouse?
Misguided you may be Gheed, but you're alright in my books.
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Oh my god, that last convo with barzilla ... so good :D :D :D
And honestly, calling Gheed a schoolyard bully? Really? If he were artificially keeping his MMR low and then toying around his opponents with superior mechanics, tactics, strategy and builds, then I would agree with you. But he's freaking worker rushing. And not even a zerg 12 drone worker rush, but a 7 worker rush.
Still, maybe as a sign of good will, I think it would be really cool of Gheed if he were to give lessons to the bronzies who would be willing to learn from him. A way of giving back to the community? (besides this hilarious blog)
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Haha you amused me :D.
You should write a book about the dark bottom of bronze ^^.
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The day that TL becomes a website where you can't make fun of Bronze Leaguers for losing to worker rushes is a very sad day indeed.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years. Words can't express how correct this is. The blog's sole saving grace is that it's well written (snidely, pompously so); if you ignore that, all you get left with is a guy who gets his kicks from trolling people who're either entirely new to the game or people who have very little experience in actually playing it. It's like a kid in school who gloats over how he just beat up a guy much younger than him.
It's a shame that this constantly gets spotlighted, imagine if you were a new player who just found TL; you'd be discouraged from participating in the community just by reading this blog and come to think of the community as a bunch of high and mighty pricks that encourage players to pick on people less skilled than them. I don't see how this kind of behavior should be encouraged, let alone spotlighted on the front page, but I guess this is TL's house. Just hoping people don't come away after reading this with the wrong impression about the community as a whole.
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On February 06 2012 08:42 happyft wrote:
Oh my god, that last convo with barzilla ... so good :D :D :D
And honestly, calling Gheed a schoolyard bully? Really? If he were artificially keeping his MMR low and then toying around his opponents with superior mechanics, tactics, strategy and builds, then I would agree with you. But he's freaking worker rushing. And not even a zerg 12 drone worker rush, but a 7 worker rush.
Still, maybe as a sign of good will, I think it would be really cool of Gheed if he were to give lessons to the bronzies who would be willing to learn from him. A way of giving back to the community? (besides this hilarious blog)
I'havnt gone back to check but i recall an earlier blog by him where he did indeed offer the players how to beat it. The problem is there so set in there mind that you cheese/cheat/abuse/whatever that the vast majority just ignore it and spout bm instead.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
I would agree for the most part if he were doing some 10 minute 3 rax all in that would never work if the opponent had been doing any real build, or if he'd been going 1 base battlecruiser or something along those lines. But no, he was worker rushing. When I was 10 I played the original Starcraft against the AI, would mass cannons and go carriers off one base with hunt and peck typing abilities and no game understanding whatsoever. My 10 year old self would never have lost to a worker rush.
I am truly sorry, but if you can't find a, click, and sit back within 4 seconds then you should not be playing video games. Admittedly he has bm'd his fair amount, but has expressed remorse over this, and I did prefer the sort of primordial force feel to worker rushing and observing the reactions. He also explained to anyone who asked how to hold off his rush and for the most part only said something if they spoke first.
You do not need to be a touch typist or be particularly agile with your mouse to play this game better than 50% of the population. I know people who have, with 30 apm, overly safe builds, almost no multitasking ability, poor micro, and extremely outdated unit compositions stayed in gold just by playing ~10 games per season. I am of the firm belief that anyone can do this with minimal previous rts experience and practice.
This is not a case of someone being amazed that 90% of the gaming population cannot hold a properly executed 4 gate rush. This is not someone going 1/1/1 every game. This isn't even Dragon getting to masters on multiple accounts doing strategies that everyone knows should never work. This is someone worker rushing and writing an obviously satirical blog of his experiences and incredulity caused by worker rushing every game, or turtling and seeing how long it takes them to kill him. This is a case study of the worst players, what their mentality is, and how their mind works in an in-game situation.
I recommend you and the people who agree with your post take a close look at the people you're actually defending, what the OP has done to them in reality. The only ones you can really say were hurt in all of this are the try-hards. Those poor, poor try-hards.
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Yeah, I think it's time to stop spotlighting this garbage. GeNeSide is right, nothing but a online bully making fun of people who are new to computer games, or have not yet developed eye-hand coordination for starcraft. Pretty disrepectful now that I think of it.
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I am ever soo tempted to tank my rating down to bronze to experiance these people.
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Worker rushes should NEVER work..... maybe the 12 drone rush in 1/100 games but that's it. Your blogs make me laugh but at the same time I lose faith in the lower leagues of sc2
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Almost two years ago when I was completely new to the game, during the SC2 Beta, I was worker rushed....and lost. I don't remember the specifics (12 drone? 7 drone?), and I don't think I would have appreciated the difference at the time anyway. However, I do know that it was one of the most infuriating things to happen to me in all my gaming experience. I raged at the guy pretty hard after the game. This is something I never do, over the last two years I have never raged at anyone again, but I simply didn't expect there to be anything in SC2 that could make me feel that awful. So I do sympathize with some of Gheed's victims.
That said, I did find this series to be a very entertaining read. I like the colorful metaphors, really makes me feel like I am being told a tale by someone exploring some undiscovered island inhabited by strange people. I am intrigued by the study of play at the very bottom of the ladder. I hope Gheed finds some way to go as low as possible, and I hope he continues to blog about his experiences.
Gheed, might I suggest you find some way of playing against these bronze level players that might give them a more rewarding experience? I think if you could manage to play close games with your opponents, but barely lose them, I don't think you'll make anyone unhappy. Even better if you can do so without being obvious that you're actually a higher level player than him. Plus, such a scenario would give you a much better study of their overall game play.
Oh, and don't jump to conclusions about some of these guys who lose to worker rushes, in terms of their chances on ever getting halfway decent at the game. Since I lost to that worker rush in the beta I've long since past this blogger's original league.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
It seems to me like many posters here haven't read all of the blogs and are just attacking Gheed on first apperances and quite impulsively. He actually does adress most of the things you call him out on in your response, you know O.o
Also; what's with the preachy tone? How are statements like, "loose some weight", "troll in a basement" and "misguided soul" any less derrogatory than what you accuse him of doing to others? In my oppinion, you yourself come of as a bully in your post. If you want to discuss the morale veracity of this kind of trolling, go for it, but why retort to blatant personal insults?
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