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One man. One league. Infinite insanity.
Bronze:
Delving Deeper.
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Learning that I could worker rush has been similar to how I imagine it would feel like if you learned you could control time. It just feels wrong; it just shouldn't be. It flies in the face of every rational thought or instinctual feeling you have—it's unnatural. But, once you know, you can't un-know. And believe me, I know about worker rushing. More, I would wager, than just about anybody. More than I ever really wanted to. I wish I didn't know. Then I wouldn't feel obligated to finish my journey. Having spent so much time in the bronze league, though, I can't help but feel compelled to go beyond knowing; I must understand, and understanding is something I sorely lack. My prolonged stint in the depths has brought me nothing but confusion. I simply don't understand these people. At times it seems they don’t want to be understood. They are often so illogical as to be anti-logical, like they don't want to be or care if they're right. It's as if they just want to shit out something, anything, to stain the universe with their taint and prove that they were here, that reality exists and they were a part of it.
They are almost Dadaist in their revulsion to sense, order, or sanity—it's like they purposely think up as many ways to lose as they can, so that each loss becomes a special tapestry of failure. And remember, I have only allowed them a scant few workers with which to fail. There are only so many options available to them, but to my amazement they find new ways to lose every day. Is the bronze league performance art or a video game? The lines, it seems, have been blurred. Worker rushing, for me, has had the effect of turning Starcraft 2 into some weird surrealist alternate reality. Nothing I knew before applies and nothing I see makes any sense. Every night, I am left wondering how it could be that such a place exists and why it would be that people would actually choose to inhabit it.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lEvJ6.jpg) Ceci n'est pas un noob.
I don’t think I could, in metaphor, describe adequately the kinds of things I have seen, so I shall do so directly and in great detail. I don't believe I have fully communicated the unending confusion that one encounters in bronze. To attempt to remedy that, these are just a few of the frightening truths I have had to face.
As I've mentioned in previous entries, I was certain that a game where I worker rushed could not end in a tie. Though, like so many things I once thought I knew, the bronze league has forced me to question my beliefs. I found myself spawning as Terran against a Zerg on Xel'naga Caverns. The game began normally. Well, as normally as my games do. I arrived on creep, 7 workers against 9. Because bronzies are somehow not paying attention to the only thing available for them to look at, I snagged 2 drone kills for free. In response, my opponent decided to flee.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4vJV0.jpg) There goes another pair of pants.
One scouting drone had located my Command Center and was nibbling on it, so I lifted it, landed it, and when he resumed nibbling I lifted it again. I was hoping to nonverbally communicate the message that a base trade would not work out well for him, so that he might return home and attempt to defend his base, ending the game one way or another. Alas, he was determined to kill a few more of my brain cells. He created not one, but two extractors to aid in his futile base race. He was kind enough to make one of them in front of my CC so that I would immediately learn of his plan.
Back at the Zerg base, though, my SCVs were still drilling away at the Hatchery. Realizing he still had some minerals, he made 2 more drones. I attempted to surround them as they came out, but they escaped, evening our worker counts. After awhile, I was confronted with a decision I have not often had to make. I reasoned that I had three options available:
- Return home with the hatchery alive and attempt to finish off his drones.
- Kill the hatchery with 1 SCV, dooming him to certain death by broodlings but keeping the others healthy.
- Kill the hatchery with all 7 SCVs, keeping all of them alive, but weakened.
I figured option 3 would be the best, because under no circumstances should my SCVs win against his remaining drones, anyway. So I may as well kill his base and keep as much firepower alive as possible. We were then matched at 7 SCVs, 3 of them in the orange, against 7 full health drones. My CC was being auto followed by a pack of drones, so I directed it to fly over the cliff of the main base toward the eastern expansion spot. I ordered my SCVs to pick up some gold minerals and rendezvous at the CC's landing zone. At nearly the same time my CC arrived, however, his drones followed suit. I attempted to repair, mine, and attack to defeat him, but I simply could not overcome the math that is 7 regenerating, attack moving drones against 7 already weakened SCVs.
So, inspired by the antics of the bronzies, I loaded my SCVs into my CC and attempted to relocate to another base. On a map with a location protected by rocks, this stratagem would have worked, but alas, Xel'naga has no such location and my opponent proved smart enough to not fall for the trick. Now that neither of us could win, I was left to ponder the situation while the draw timer ticked down. I decided to use the opportunity to learn more about my bronze opponent.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uldAg.jpg) I really have to stop deciding things.
Despite my better judgment, I was on a quest for knowledge. I needed to push further.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tyUPH.jpg) Ever feel like you're having two different conversations with someone?
Yes, despite the fact that I worker rushed him, this bronzie's warped perception of reality was telling him that I tied the game because Terran was overpowered, not because he didn't attack move. He was so pissed about something completely irrelevant to the situation at hand, that I was somehow at fault. This is the attitude that is almost as enraging as it is confusing, and it's one that permeates the entire bronze league. Never does someone win in bronze because they were better, they won because the game is "bullshit." Even executing a completely horrible strategy, almost every game people have reacted like I have just committed a horrible atrocity, like I'm abusing some sort of game-breaking exploit.
It is here I will take a moment to examine the racial politics of the bronze league. To begin, when we discuss low level players, we must hold bronzies as yet another, even lower tier. So, for the purposes of this discussion, there are four types of players: professionals, high level, low level, and bronze. Starcraft 2 is sufficiently complex a game that racial balance differs among the various rungs of player skill. As more than a year of statistics have borne, Terran is considered the strongest race for professional players. However, it is arguably the most difficult race to play, especially at low levels. It is simply easier for a middling player to play Protoss or Zerg than it is Terran. To be successful, a Terran player must execute drops, slow pushes, and advanced micromanagement techniques. A player could more easily achieve a similar ranking with Protoss by using a 1-a deathball style, or with Zerg by mastering the inject mechanic. This is why, among high and low level players, Terran is the least played race, while among professional players, especially Koreans, Terran is overrepresented, for it is those players have the mechanics necessary to fully utilize the Terran arsenal.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BQUO8.jpg) As skill in macro increases, so does the Zerg population.
You might be thinking that Terran is just an a-move race with Marines/Marauders/Medivacs and stim. Indeed, in the early days after release, Terrans were loathed for their bioballs. As time went on, however, Terran was nerfed, other races were buffed, and people have gotten better. Now, players are more skilled at defeating MMM and as a result, Terran users have shifted to the other 2 races rather than learn a more effective, but more difficult style of play. Whereas a professional player can micro his marines and tanks against a ling/baneling composition to great success, a gold level Terran will simply get rolled over by a similarly skilled Zerg who attack moves and focuses on injects. The gold terran, on average, simply does not have the skill required to keep up with the zerg.
Then why are there so many Terrans in bronze? Well, as I said, bronzies must be considered their own unique group. As I explored in my last blog, "bronze player" and "new player" are not synonymous. Bronze players are simply terrible players, and new players are not necessarily terrible. And, if they are, they often learn, get better, and leave bronze. So, bronze is a sort of Starcraft 2 time capsule. Players here do not learn or improve and are thus kept in a perpetual state of suck. Because Terran, due to having a reliable way to wall off, a tier one unit that can hit both land and air, and a way to detect cloaked units without having to tech, they are the most played race in bronze. They are safe against bronze-level "cheese," they have powerful units that can attack everything, and the opponents they face are simply too unskilled to properly tech to units that would counter MMM. Add to that the fact that the campaign is Terran-centric, and you'll find that the bronze league exists frozen in place in Summer 2010. The bronze mantra is still "Terran's OP."
Because bronzies are blinded by their ignorance and angered by their ineptitude, they are the first among Starcraft players to cry imba, even in a game so simple, so straightforward as a worker rush. This failure, or refusal, to recognize their own faults instead of trying to learn from them is why they get stuck in bronze in the first place. It's why I can worker rush people 3 times in a row. It's why, no matter how long this game goes on, bronze will be an insult. They simply do not improve.
Which brings me to another game. This one was average in every way. I found a guy on the ladder, I worker rushed him, he sucked, we had a miniature flame war, he left.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J7Jh2.jpg) Standard.
But what happened later was definitely not normal. After several games, I happened upon this player again. Usually, this does not make them happy. This fellow took it to new heights. He began mining per usual, got enough minerals to produce another SCV, and then, inexplicably, counter-worker rushed me. I usually tab out and read something online for the 40 seconds it takes to get across the map. For that reason, it caught me by surprise when I tabbed in and found myself nearly surrounded by enemy SCVs. I did not immediately recognize him as a former victim, instead thinking him a fellow worker rusher. Seeing that he had more SCVs and that I had already taken some damage, I returned to my base. I got home and began mining, but he gave up the pursuit. That was odd, I thought, and I began to gear up for a more normal game, my criterion of worker rushing having been fulfilled. Then, suddenly, all of his workers entered my base. The replay revealed that he decided to run around in circles while figuring out what to do before finally deciding to counterattack instead of returning home to mine with his shorter return distance and more SCVs. He attempted to kill me, failed miserably, and at 0 SCVs to 10, left the game wordlessly.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/dt18R.jpg) The question that keeps me awake at night.
I honestly wanted to know why he had reacted in such a way, so I decided to ask. If I didn't find an answer, the weight of the unknown would burden me for eternity and I would eventually be crushed under the weight of too much unexplained stupidity.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VskZW.jpg) So.. heavy…
The fact that this player was gold and lost twice to a worker rush, the second time in such a retarded manner, posed some serious questions about just how awful the NA ladder is at every rank, not just the lowest one. However, a look at his profile shows he has since fallen to his rightful place in the bronze league, so I dodged a psychological bullet. Though, it did prove again that I have ended up the de facto gatekeeper to this stygian nightmare of a league. I still don't know how he even got there, though. Is he a remnant of the a-move stim bioball past, now finding out his skills are so bad in today's Starcraft that he can't escape bronze? Did he have his friend level his account? How did this man, who felt he needed to counter a worker rush by worker rushing himself, get to the gold league where, by definition, he is better than at least 40% of the player base?
What this further reveals is that this person, and those like him, see what I'm doing as a "cheese," a real tactic. Not only as a real tactic, but a strong one. An imbalanced one, even. So much so that several people have left the game as soon as I entered their base with my workers.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LRkGU.jpg) Oh fuck, probes! Abort! Abort!
They would rather just give up than learn how to defeat something so basic. Some of them sit there, watch their shit die, and then have the audacity to question why I would do such a thing. Is that not a question that answers itself? I wouldn't be doing this if people didn't allow it to work! It's like they think I'm playing unfairly, and they couldn't possibly beat my stupid rush. So in lieu of figuring out, or asking me, how to win, they react with scorn and derision at some perceived injustice. Then, beyond that, is the group of people who, more than claiming that what I am doing is unfair, outright accuse me of cheating. Like this kid, who I'm assuming is Brazilian (I've come to assume anyone who I don't understand is BR). He loses to a worker rush, calls me something incomprehensible, and then when he loses again to the exact same thing, decides that it is not his own mistakes, but my treachery that caused him to lose.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r0bTh.jpg) Aff you too, amigo.
This all makes me wonder why the bronze league has not devolved into worker rushing chaos. If you think about it, it makes sense. If I have a 50% win rate with just worker rushing, and I have the same MMR as these people, then why are they even playing? If their goal is to win and not improve (because they are clearly not improving), then why don't they just worker rush, too? Why has the entire bronze league not become a league of worker rushers? Why are they even bothering to spend time 6 pooling or cannon rushing if they could achieve the same level of results by just attack moving drones?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J2I7z.jpg) Someone even made a worker rushing bot.
I suppose you could argue that they want to have "fun," but if they want to sit in their base and macro for 20 minutes before moving out, attack moving, watching the fight, and winning or losing based on the AI, why don't they play a Civilization game? If they just want to build stuff, why not play Minecraft? It's got "craft" right in the name! Did they get lost on the way there? Why play Starcraft, the game populated by the most masochistic bunch of gamers who all collectively wallow in a feeling of self-disgust at how horrible they are, even if they are decent? I guess you have to attribute it to Blizzard's marketing team, but I just cannot fathom how they have gotten people who play WoW to buy this game.
WoW is feel-good everybody-wins garbage; the only redeeming feature it has are 4 of the battlegrounds and the unlimited potential for trolling people who, by just playing the game, have admitted they are at least partially stupid. Starcraft is frustration mixed with self-doubt. How is there crossover? How do these souls find their way to one of the most competitive games, only to end up in its version of Elo Hell? But, in the case of SC2, it's a hell of their own making. Which begs the question: why do they go on? Why is there such continued stagnation? Do they not tire of their own shittiness and desire to become better?
Philosophical questions aside, there was still more worker rushing to be done. For this game, I was on the Arid Plateau, or "Xel'naga With Dirt," as I call it. I was Protoss against a Terran. I worker rushed him, he ran away from his base like an idiot; you know the drill by now. I left one probe at his base to keep an eye on his CC, and sent the rest back to my Nexus to mine. He attempted to make a few SCVs, but my probe killed them when they popped out. Eventually, though, he returned with the bulk of his original SCVs. I continued harassing with the single probe while grabbing my now 8 more probes from my base to attack again, leaving a couple to continue mining. At this point, I was fairly confident he had not built a supply depot. Looking at the replay, he had hidden it to the side of his base. I had seen it with a probe, but I just never noticed it or didn't think much of it for whatever reason. So my mindset was that he had nothing but SCVs and I didn't have to worry about anything.
This Terran had a trick up his sleeve, though. He was using the minerals he was mining to proxy a barracks next to my base. That would have spelled disaster for me, and probably won him the game. The problem? He decided to proxy 2 more barracks, so he only had enough minerals to build 3 marines.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1tlcU.jpg) A certain Captain Picard picture comes to mind.
I had no idea about his plot, so I was pretty confident I would win at this point. I started wasting minerals building pylons at mineral patches so I could track his command center's movement, as it had lifted off when my probes came back for round 2. I sent a few probes to harass any mining attempts he might initiate, and sent a couple home to mine for myself. Unfortunately, when they arrived at my ramp, they discovered the proxy and the 2 marines he had already built. Fuck, I must not have been paying attention, I thought. I immediately planted a gateway and repelled the duo with my probes, banking on the fact that he would not know how to stutter step, which, being bronze, he didn't.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bUUhE.jpg) I sure wish these were Starcraft 1 probes.
I camped my probe force outside the barracks to intercept any training marines while I desperately waited for my gateway to finish. My expeditionary probe force found another hidden supply depot my opponent had built in the middle of the map. Luckily, destroying it supply blocked him, granting me a bit of a reprieve from the flow of marines. I chrono-boosted a zealot out and he and some probes crushed the remaining marines and forced him to lift off. My wayward probes gave up their hunt for his CC and returned to mine as I sat and watched as my cybernetics core finished. In hindsight, I should have chased the barracks with my zealot, but I figured, erroneously, that he would just kite it to death with marines. Because I stopped the pursuit, he landed the barracks a bit further back from where they were originally proxied in my natural. Meanwhile, my opponent, who was on 8 mining SCVs, 2 idle SCVs, and no Orbital Command, decided to construct 2 additional barracks.
I got a sentry out, built some more gateways, and in a moment of panic built 3 more sentries. Fortunately for me, my opponent derped once again (there's a theme to this game) and decided to take two gas geysers, putting 3 workers in each of them. He then had 5 workers on minerals. One for each barracks, I suppose. He had also still neglected to turn his CC into an orbital. All of this fail that had been compounding in the fog of war was unbeknownst to me, however. I thought I must have been severely behind. I teched to 1-base colossus and then, after failing a forcefield, I remembered something.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/clUdQ.jpg) Colossuses are good?
I remembered I was playing against a bronzie. I had, by way of not being bronze myself, built way more stuff than him, even after losing a bunch of probes to marines. I attack moved and he left the game with 500 useless gas in the bank.
This was the game that made me finally realize I needed to stop worker rushing. Not for any ethical reasons. Not even because I was entirely bored with it. I am still perversely fascinated by the concentrated awfulness it produces, even as it pains me to experience it at times. I'll probably pick up a friend's account and keep doing it while I watch tournament streams or something. The reason I needed to stop was so that I could more fully observe the bronzies in their natural habitat. I had been stunting their growth, as it were, by rushing them so quickly. They needed time to develop so that I could take in the entirety of their failure, not just one tiny aspect of it. By letting their awfulness grow to full bloom, I could create a better picture of what the bronzies are actually like, and maybe, just maybe, relieve myself of some of the unexplained horrors I've encountered. Maybe, I could finally reach understanding. Maybe, I could be free.
To get the most knowledge, I reasoned, I would need to go as low as the bronze league could take me. I needed to experience the worst of the worst. Most people who want to lower their MMR just worker rush, but as we are now all painfully aware, that doesn't plummet you quite far enough. There was still further I could go. So, I decided to lose 100 or so games in a row to absolutely bottom out my rating. But, how do you lose against people so bad? I didn't want to just mass leave games, as that is somewhat frowned upon, although I know firsthand blizzard never actually does anything about it. So I needed a tactic that was worse than worker rushing. Could such a thing possibly exist? I decided upon a strategy I like to perform against the insane AI when I'm bored: I would turtle myself to death. I would take one or two bases, maximize my static defense, and just sit there and see how long I could last against an enemy onslaught. This way, I could observe the bronzies as they attempted to defeat me, ensuring both a consistent metric with which to measure the bronzies and a loss to plummet myself further into the abyss.
My first game with this new approach was a PvT. I massed cannons, using a hidden expansion I built to fuel their production. Unfortunately, my opponent knew what a siege tank was, so he just killed me, which wasn't very interesting. I decided mass cannons was not a good idea, because any race can just build their long range seige unit and kill me without anything I could do about it. For my next game, I picked Terran.
I landed a TvZ on Xel'naga. I erected a fortress similar to how I would in my games against the AI.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QpnMp.jpg) Panda brand bunkers are especially intimidating.
To account for my vulnerability to air units I decided to mass Vikings behind my wall of tanks and bunkers. After awhile, I got a little impatient, so I built a CC and flew it surreptitiously to the submerged blue third and sent out my Viking squad to check and see what my opponent was doing. To my giddy delight, I found a pack of overlords ready to be killed. For air defense, my opponent had but 2 Mutalisks, which were immediately vaporized by a volley of Lanzer Torpedoes.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hxdQt.jpg) Fight or flight? Yeah, right.
The Overlord genocide left my opponent supply blocked and panic-stricken. Desperate, he rallied his small ground force to my base. The puny army of Roaches, Zerglings, and Banelings didn't even reach the wall before exploding into piles of Zergy goo at the foot of my well defended ramp.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YW0Yw.jpg) Kyrix Style!
Losing sight of my mission to lose, I landed the Vikings in his mineral line and killed all of his drones. I hadn't even noticed his army performing suicide-by-tank until I watched the replay. Still supply capped, economy trashed, without an army, and thoroughly embarrassed, my opponent left the game. Damn it! I had won despite myself. I had some fun, though. In the past several months I've played maybe 4 "real" games of Starcraft. One of them was a 111 I executed against a guy who, after defending a worker rush, claimed to be a diamond smurf. So, I all-ined him the next time I found him on the ladder. That makes maybe 3 games that didn't involve pulling SCVs over 5 months. As you could imagine, I'm pretty rusty. Not that I was ever spectacular to begin with.
It was clear if I wanted to lose I would have to not attack, ever. No worker attacks, no Viking harass, nothing. Pure passivity. Anything other than that might scare off my bronze test subjects. But I couldn't just sit there and have a make-believe tea party with my starting SCVs—that's only fun for a few games. I needed to lose at least a hundred, if not more, to scrape the bottom of this bronze barrel. It would be a daunting task, so I would have to just pretend my opponent was a computer and last as long as possible before I finally ran out of money and had my defenses breached.
So, I queued again as Terran, ready to turtle. Unfortunately, my opponent immediately left the game, a not uncommon sight in bronze. Two wins a row. Not off to a grand start. Another queue resulted in an actual game. One that will probably leave my brain addled for the rest of my days. It's very rare to look upon another human being and be completely unable to come up with a rational explanation for their actions. Homeless guy jerking off on a bus? See that and you have to think to yourself, where else is the poor guy going to do it? You ever try to get an erection outside in January?
![[image loading]](http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/12/9/1291919993301/Homeless-man-in-snow-006.jpg) Ever hear of shrinkage?
Guy in a suit and tie jerking off on a bus? Now that is the face of insanity. That is a man who is without shits to give, for whom no logic or reason can be applied. He simply does. He simply is. It's all very existential, I assure you. So how is this bronzie like our proverbial public transit pervert? Well, like our well dressed miscreant, this guy doesn't follow the trends. He just does whatever he feels is right. He doesn't care about what others are doing. I'll start from the beginning. It's going to be a long journey; this one spans an hour and a half of unremitting befuddlement.
This time, I found myself on Shakuras Plateau, which was fortuitous because it allowed me secure two bases from which to gather the recources needed to fund my hardcore turtling. My Zerg opponent opened with a 10 Pool, followed immediately by a gas. His crazy build order continued: he expanded, teched to Lair, and then took two more geysers. By the 8-minute mark he yet to produce a single attacking unit. He rectified this deficiency by creating a wall of Spine Crawlers and an Overseer.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7hY7d.jpg) You have to be safe from those wicked 8 minute Terran DT rushes.
A keen reader will notice I never mentioned him scouting. That would be because he didn't. He sent an overlord to the right of his spawn, but he never found my base, never even attempted to look for it. He hadn't even confirmed that I was Terran, or that I was even playing. I could have been AFK for all he knew. And then the strangest thing happened: as I was happily constructing another fortress, he started a Hydralisk Den and began making Hydras. Why hydras? Well, why's the guy wearing Joseph Abboud playing with himself in the handicapped seat? I just don't fucking know. And I'm not going to ask him, either. Are you? That is one can of worms I would rather not see opened.
After the mysterious rush to hydras (which, after built, proceeded to chill in his base for 15 minutes), he built some Zerglings, who killed the Marine I had tentatively sent to a watchtower. He built a Spire and upgraded to a Greater Spire. Was he maphacking? Or was this his normal gameplan? No, he couldn't have been hacking, he started the Hydras before I even began my Starports. Was he psychic, then? How did he, with zero information, decide upon the perfect counter to someone turtling with tanks and potentially harassing with Vikings? This couldn't possibly be some random cosmic coincidence, right? What are the odds? As if to assuage any concerns I might have about his cheating, he sent a changeling to my ramp at 16 minutes. A missile turret identified the intruder and a tank shot it down before it could see my base. He then started flying overlords to every expansion on the map to drop creep.
On my end, resources were running low, so after 21 minutes I thought to attempt to sneakily mine some extra minerals with mules and a brave Orbital Command. Upon noticing it with one of his overlords, he deployed a Nydus Worm and destroyed it with his Hydras, confirming for me that he wasn't AFK. Around the 24 minute-mark, he invested in another Spine Crawler and Overseer emplacement. He had still not scouted my base! What was he preparing for? A few moments after that, despite never once looking at my base, he moved out with his small Brood Lord/Corruptor force and attacked the one weak point of my wall, the southern cliff. I was not expecting an assault from such an intelligent angle, given the nature of my opponents. He only managed to kill a few Turrets and a Siege Tank before my Viking squadron could arrive, though. Once there, they easily dispatched of his Broods because he had forgotten to bring his Hydras with him for support.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cMHDM.jpg) Goddamn it! This is Panda Rider 117. This Zergy is all over me!
Frustrated by the defeat of his siege forces, he attack moved his Hydras up the ramp. The results were less than ideal.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/AzJkV.jpg) Ouch.
The game then entered a lull in the action. For several minutes, nothing happened. In the fog, my opponent was taking some more bases, and I had very few minerals and gas left. I sent my horde of Vikings to kill some overlords and clear out some of the errant Nydus Worms he had been dropping around the map. My opponent evidently reasoned that Corruptors and Brood Lords were not the answer, so he continued Hydralisk production. After seeing my Viking squadron flying around, he set up an ambush for me at his fourth base.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e8Xga.jpg) Where's Ackbar when you need him?
I avoided most of the damage, and the next forty minutes consisted of me wandering around the map with my air force wondering why I wasn't dead while he chased me in and out of Nydus Worms like a Warner Bros. cartoon. At one point, it occurred to him that he could make a unit that was not a Hydralisk, so he popped out some Infestors. I flew right over them with a clump of 40 Vikings, but he apparently didn't know how to fungal, as he never used it once the entire game. He did use some Infested Terrans to kill a Command Center I had hidden, which leads me to believe that bronze players spend more time watching Destiny's stream than they do playing the game. Consider that next time you hop into his stream chat.
At the hour mark the Zerg gave Brood Lords another go. He only made 4 of them though, and they met the same fate as the last batch. He did kill a couple of tanks while my Vikings were otherwise engaged, though. After the battle, I decided to abandon my mined-out natural and retreat to higher ground where I could more easily consolidate my defenses. My bronze enemy seemed completely at a loss. He had no idea how to defeat my 8 Siege Tanks and a handful of Vikings. At one point, he made 50 Banelings and attempted to break my wall with them. I didn't even know he had done that until I watched the replay, because he didn’t send any Zerglings to tank and so every single one of them died before it got near the wall.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iybE9.jpg) Unfortunately, all commendations in the Gheed army are posthumous.
Finally, at an hour and 15 minutes, a light bulb must have lit. He made some ultras and attack moved my now minimal defenses. I was left with 0 resources and 3 Tanks. Still baffled by my rival's inaction and getting pretty restless, I took my remaining Vikings and poked around some more. He couldn't possibly be low on money, right? He had access to 10 bases to my 2. What was he doing? Well, sitting at 120 food, 8000 minerals, 1000 gas, and 80 IQ, he did what he knew best. He made more Hydras, and then when he ran out of gas pumped out a bunch of Zerglings. I sent my Vikings on a suicide mission and waited patiently for death. When the Lings and Hydras flooded into my base, I got an idea. I floated one of my Orbitals to the corner of the map. In game, I still had the sneaking suspicion that he was maphacking. I thought that maybe he was just so bad that even with knowledge of what I was doing he couldn't come up with a solution. So if he immediately found my Orbital, I could be assured that there was yet another layer to this insanity. Watching the replay, though, after failing to end the game he sent overlords to every corner of the map. So, he either wasn't maphacking or he was trying to cover it up.
I don't know which choice is more sad. I don't really know what to think about that game. I've never seen so many Hydralisks in an SC2 match. Not a single word was spoken, which is probably for the best. A quick look at his stats showed he was not new to the game. He had played over 600 games. So I just stepped off the bus and tried to pretend it didn't happen.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BefCi.jpg) Starcraft 2: Tower Defense
One thing was certain, though: turtling was not an efficient way to lose games in the bronze league. I didn't play for a few days after that. But, as always, the bronze league kept calling. One night, not tired enough to go to bed, but too lazy to do anything productive, I logged on and found a game. It was Shakuras again. I didn't want to play for an hour and a half this time, but the results would prove no less retarded than if I had. I killed one of my SCVs and lifted the others to the expansion protected by rocks. There, I weighed my options. I decided on cloaked Banshees. I'm not sure how exactly I thought that would lead to a loss. I figured maybe I could use them like Mutas and just harass until my opponent finally out expanded me and crushed my hidden base. It didn't get that far, though.
I arrived to find my opponent completely without units of any kind. This confused me so greatly that I had to watch the replay to figure out what had happened. Or what didn't as the case may have been. My opponent opened by building a Pylon at the bottom of his ramp. Then, after scouting and failing to find my base, he made 5 more Pylons in a circle around his Nexus. He then built two Assimilators, which he never mined from. Meanwhile, he started building Nexuses around the map. By the time I arrived with my Banshees, he had just constructed a gateway. Enraged, he greeted me with the expected level of anger.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/98o85.jpg) More depressing than the actual BM is the fact that I can actually read it.
I flew around finding and killing his bases, still not sure what the fuck was happening. He attempted to reestablish a foothold on the opposite corner of the map, but I found it and killed it before he could make cannons. He left the game, but not before giving a strange, belated warning.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/acOek.jpg) Is this guy fucking Jar Jar Binks? What is this bizarre speech pattern?
Now I'm more confused than ever. How am I supposed to lose against people who don't make units? Or people who choose to make the worst units in the game? I really don't know. Short of just leaving the game, I am at a loss of how to proceed down deeper. So fuck it. It's time for a tea party. For the next 100 games I shall be having a very merry unbirthday.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/21VwA.jpg) Why is a bronzie like a writing desk?
+ Show Spoiler [Bonus Pictures] +Now that worker rushing is behind me, at least for the time being, here are some random screenshots I couldn't find a way to fit in anywhere. Remember to read the big in-game chat log bubbles bottom to top. My first ever post game hate message! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/GQyeP.jpg) Top 8, huh? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rrvV7.jpg) Oh do they? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WAOmE.jpg) Glad I could be of service. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sj0h2.jpg) Sometimes, when they lift off and BM, I decide to play Sim City. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5bMCG.jpg) Oh come on, that was punny. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7yNV7.jpg) How to spot a WoW player: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k5rdw.jpg) 2000 games later, I wouldn't be surprised if he was telling the truth. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OiaVm.jpg) … but if I'm gay, how could I have any? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BPPRV.jpg) Children are adorable. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2hCgE.jpg) I would like to see your credentials, sir. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/taVBI.jpg) Self-loathing even in silver. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gqKqe.jpg) High school Spanish failed to prepare me for battle.net. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rhj5t.jpg) I'll be awaiting the call from your lawyer. + Show Spoiler +
Part 2: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=313577
 
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My good sir, Gheed, I admire your perseverance, continuing to use this strategy and enduring so much verbal abuse in your odyssey to explore the bronze league. The reactions of your opponents are quite amusing, although I cannot help but feel more sympathy than it appears you do towards them. Some people simply are not interested in actually learning what would be effective in this game, preferring to play by their own preconcieved rules. My theory is that worker rushes infuriate them so much because it overrides this image they have in their mind as to what a "proper" Starcraft game should be, full of exciting and epic science-fiction armies. Instead the game instantly devolves into a basic battle of micro. The fact that this challenge is stacked so much in their favor, and yet they consistantly fail demonstrates that they are simply unwilling or incapable of thinking of the game in such a way.
There's nothing inherently wrong with intending to play a game a certain way. The unfortunate part is when their method of playing conflicts with an game frame like yours, which is so antithetical; and of course the fact that they constantly receive negative feedback (they lose). It's a good thing that we have a bronze league, so these unfortunate souls can hopefully only ever play against each other, and get wins every now and again. There must always be a lowest 20%.
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I enjoy these blogs so much, in a sick, sad way.
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Wow, tons of content, but always hilarious. Hey man, I'll sue you for that.
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At first, this seemed a lesser Gheed blog, but the second half and bonus pictures all made up for it. It's embarrassing how much I was anticipating this devilish fun.
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5 Stars. Just read the entire thing. Amazing. Your writing style reminds me of Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace. What a ridiculously good blog. Thought provoking, hilarious, enjoyable. A+
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5 Stars. This is the type of blog that makes you question the future of the human race. Your a very good writer, and a braver man than I.
The most surprising part is how articulate the guy who said who was going to sue you.
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Reading these blogs, from a masters player perspective, makes me want to make a bronze smurf :D
Great work overall man, really enjoyable reads
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My god man. How have you not gone insane doing this? I think I would've killed myself trying to see the truth. Yet at the same time, the fascination over the mentality of bronze players intrigues me as well. Your endeavors are thus highly appreciated, presumably not just by me but by all who stumble upon your blogs. Sounds like it's going to be a challenge to hit rock bottom based on initial attempts. I pray your sanity stay intact as you dive deeper and deeper into this hell we call Bronze League.
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glad im not in bronze rofl. Nice read, but theres something about worker rushing thats just bad, like, your wasting your time and other peoples time as well, am I crazy for thinking that? And i guess your not wasting your time, since you enjoy doing this for some reason, but i feel bad for people trying to just play the game. just my opinion.
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That last conversation was priceless 5/5. Good luck on your transcendental journey to the 7th circle of Bronze Hell.
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Honestly, I don't see the fun in worker rushing. I do see how it could be fun to turtle up and try and make games last 60+ minutes, like you did with those bronzies, because you are actively doing things for the entirety of the game. A worker rush literally involves two clicks and one keystroke... idk how that would be enjoyable at all.
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5 star fo sho! love these blogs, i wish i was bronze league :/
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This is like reading about diving into the deep web. I just can't believe that people could be so mean, so BM, so.. lost.
It makes me want to actually reinstall sc2 and help these people. Somehow...
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man oh man you make my day with these blogs..
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The reason that so many people in bronze are Terran might be because the campaign is Terran, and if you played the starter edition before getting the game the only race you could play is Terran.
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people lose to worker rushes? do they not know what a+click does? wtf?
and they complain about it like its op?
WTF!!!
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seriously it's just so cool to have someone else do the worker rushing and present you all the good stuff filtered out, you are really providing a good service here^^ whatever you continue to do, the only thing that matter is that you do continue with something :D
as for losing: try worker drops? maybe that's beatable for a bigger share of the bronzies.
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ROFL.
Clearly it takes someone of Nestea's caliber to stop a worker rush.
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6/5, but I hope you realise that it's possible you may never be better thens ulver.
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These blogs are so great, sorta sad some of the loses these people get tho 
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Bronzies really are the pinnacle of insane SC2 players.
Love your Work Rush Series. Showed it to my brother in Germany. He really enjoyed it too.
Thanks for the laughs and amazing stories of blind, inept and crazy bronze players.
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And here I am in diamond, sick of starcraft, when in fact there are still so many stuff to explore.
Cya in bronze hell dude.
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On February 04 2012 15:35 jubil wrote:
My good sir, Gheed, I admire your perseverance, continuing to use this strategy and enduring so much verbal abuse in your odyssey to explore the bronze league. The reactions of your opponents are quite amusing, although I cannot help but feel more sympathy than it appears you do towards them. Some people simply are not interested in actually learning what would be effective in this game, preferring to play by their own preconcieved rules. My theory is that worker rushes infuriate them so much because it overrides this image they have in their mind as to what a "proper" Starcraft game should be, full of exciting and epic science-fiction armies. Instead the game instantly devolves into a basic battle of micro. The fact that this challenge is stacked so much in their favor, and yet they consistantly fail demonstrates that they are simply unwilling or incapable of thinking of the game in such a way.
There's nothing inherently wrong with intending to play a game a certain way. The unfortunate part is when their method of playing conflicts with an game frame like yours, which is so antithetical; and of course the fact that they constantly receive negative feedback (they lose). It's a good thing that we have a bronze league, so these unfortunate souls can hopefully only ever play against each other, and get wins every now and again. There must always be a lowest 20%.
That is actually the insight Gheed has been looking for i think.
On to the blog: i just thought of a way to help you hit rock bottom bronze. Add constrictions, lots of them, to how you play, such as:
1) No keybinds of any sort. Actually, play only with your mouse hand if you can.
2) Never make more than 10 workers, but always take 2 gasses.
Those 2 should be crippling enough to lose you a good number of games, but you can still try to macro off1base and what not.
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lol at the last guy talking about suing... it's a video game, get over it.
And also, A+move please.
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Yeah! I love these blogs!
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Ya, you would definitely want some constrictions as mentioned above. Also if you plan on using only your mouse hand, probably a good idea to use terran as without the keyboard you cannot effectively kite using only your mouse. Though at bronze abyss you play in I doubt it's necessary.
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Now I'm more confused than ever. How am I supposed to lose against people who don't make units? Or people who choose to make the worst units in the game? I really don't know. Short of just leaving the game, I am at a loss of how to proceed down deeper. So fuck it. It's time for a tea party. For the next 100 games I shall be having a very merry unbirthday.
Only make a certain number of workers, all in, every game, but not necessarily attacking.
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You should try moving your base after the game starts,my friend once did that on plat league and the guy insta left LOL
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"I had, by way of not being bronze myself"
That reminded me of the dudes that say they play at a masters level, even though they're plat. Wahahahaha.
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On February 05 2012 03:11 Inori wrote:
6 blogs later I still can't find an answer to a simple question: why?
He was stuck in platinum.
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Oh my god that massive chatlog at the end was fantastic.
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amazing blog. love the writing style. i look forward to seeing just how low you can stomach going.
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Firstly:
Starcraft, the game populated by the most masochistic bunch of gamers who all collectively wallow in a feeling of self-disgust at how horrible they are
Standard. MLISC.
Also, this literally made my day. You're a phenomenal writer, and the last conversation was so fucking funny. My favorite part was "it has to be false to be slanderous / and it is not false that you are a dipshit"
so. good.
5/5
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On February 05 2012 03:11 Inori wrote:
6 blogs later I still can't find an answer to a simple question: why?
Obviously he wanted to know what is wrong with the people in Bronze. Makes sense to me. At least reading the blogs is hilarious.
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hahahah
God I love this series, so funny and good. You're getting a bit more aggressive in some chatlogs (imitating conversation after the game)
but its all justified keheheheh
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This has to be the best one yet.
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I dont know how you keep your sanity Gheed.
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Now I'm more confused than ever. How am I supposed to lose against people who don't make units?
This quote had me laughing so hard.
Great blog. Please do continue it.
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"Why play Starcraft, the game populated by the most masochistic bunch of gamers who all collectively wallow in a feeling of
self-disgust at how horrible they are, even if they are decent?"
Wow man, this line really hit me hard. I feel like this every fucking day...
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I'll sue you if you stop writing these blogs 
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the last one made you look like a total assh*le... maybe you are though, making fun of lesser players for fame and joy - i mean when they are I could understand it when they were raging horrible and insulting you, but the last one made me think less of you, since you were the one who was trolling.
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Start doing worker drops, ignore the haters, gogogo!
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Your writing began to remind me of Harlan Ellison around the place where you went up against that Zerg who did the craziest things. I then realized that there is some bizarre hell out there that exists in Bronze, and I need to get out of Bronze before I end up in there.
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I don't understand how people could be so bad lol..
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It's like an alternate plane of reality, the insanity will seep into your mind and become you...
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I don't see the point in worker rushing.You can still have fun in bronze league even if you can't win a single game,even if you are the worst player on the planet.
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Wow. This is the best blog I have ever read. Interesting, hilarious, and jam packed with content.
Keep up the amazing work good sir!
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On February 05 2012 05:26 Russet wrote:
I dont know how you keep your sanity Gheed.
I dont know if he kept it to be honest.
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This was absolutely superb! Kudos to you sir! I guess I now have 7 other entries to read :D
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I have a short story I wish to share:
Today I got promoted, the game that got me there was maybe a tad disappointing. It wasn't an epic 50 minute macro fest or a nerve wrecking all-in defense, it was a simple a-move when my opponents drones appeared in my base. After the game "You've been promoted" alert appeared on my screen and I was happy (might've even fist pumped and yelled "Yes!"), but mixed in was a bit of confusion. I checked my opponents profile and sure enough he was worker rushing in all the past 10 games I checked with about 50% win ratio. The weird part was the league he was in, the league where his opponents were in, the league where I finally got into.. it was Master League.
It seems that locating the a-button can be a problem even in higher leagues 
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I read all of your articles, but I just can't understand why you stopped playing the game seriously, and just worker rushed your way down to bronze, and never tried to get out. You showed a picture of your posture when worker rushing, and you look bored to death. Why play the game if that is how you seem to enjoy playing as you do.
Your writing was very articulate, yet there was a sense of disdain for players in lower leagues. Not everyone knows about playing the game as you probably do. Writing that last page about how horrible players in the bronze league are, well, your writing descended into a sense of griping the entire league. Yes, people on the forums are going to eat it up, because it's easier to laugh at the freak in the room rather than trying to help them out. You brought out a lot of good points about the name calling, and the BM'ing that happens with playing like this, but in the end, I think some want to play certain ways, and worker rushes just fall into the cheese category.
Get yourself out of bronze, and enjoy the game again. You last two articles about it, demonstrated your lack of playing this "game" for the sense of enjoyment, but rather to prove a point. Bronze is full of lesser skilled players, yeah, we already get that one. I am sure GM players think similar things about Plat players.
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Those bonus pictures really made the blog. You crack me up good sir.
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bronze sounds fun... XDDDDDDDDDD
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HOLY FKN SHIT...
That last guy.... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
I don't particularly care for the description of the games anymore (their idiocy is no longer amusing, but rather consistently mind-boggling), however their attempts to insult you have proven to be absolutely hilarious!
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Oh god, I love this blog so much.
I should lose some games and get to bronze just for lulz.
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do you write about other things too? entertaining read but the topics gets a bit old doesnt it XD
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That was an amazing read. Jesus christ that last guy...
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Essentially you are bullying a bunch of 12 year old boys who have different reasons for playing to you and the majority of the community. When I played Red Alert 1/2 I had to max out my population on mammoth tanks before any attack.
Anyway, stop being anti-social[a dick] and start using your considerable writing skills for something productive.
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I'm sure all your bronze opponents are scrambling to get better after being ridiculed and humiliated in your blogs. Maybe you should post even more links to their profiles so that other d-bags can find them on battle.net and make more fun of them.
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"i'm not a masochist"
it's more like sadist
masochist is when you like to hurt yourself/others to hurt you
sadist is when you like to hurt others
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On February 05 2012 11:12 zhurai wrote:it's more like sadist masochist is when you like to hurt yourself/others to hurt you sadist is when you like to hurt others oO
I was replying to his question "does this make you happy?" Many people, having just lost a worker rush, have asked the same or similar question. Obviously I would not be doing it if I hated it. I could have moved the lines of chat around for clarity, but I didn't feel like screwing around in mspaint any longer.
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Quite an interesting article; I've never read your blog before. The first (sad) idea popping into my mind is: "if those guys aren't 12 year olds, then what justice is there in this universe given that their vote weighs as much as mine?".
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It's seriously unbelievable. I just read all your blogs and I just don't understand these people.
The only explanation I can come up is that they are so stuck in the belief that an early attack when they don't have units will kill them that they can't think properly anymore.
The most astonishing of this type really seemed to be the last one that wanted to sue you. He seemed to believe that there just wasn't anything he could do and even after reading from you and 100 people on how to beat it he still couldn't believe it.
How the fuck does this mindset develop? I almost would go so far as to say something basic in their development as a human has gone wrong or did not happen yet...
It's really funny how this blog started as something you did just for fun or whatever reason, but developed into a documentation of failure in such a dimension that I never thought possible.
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This blog never fails to disappoint, 5/5 again, looking forward to you losing a game eventually
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Outstanding. I laughed my ass off 
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You are a sick, twisted little man.
But you are so brilliant.
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I don't really rad much blogs, but I read most of yours. That last convo was hilarious.
You shoudl write a book, Gheed. I'd probalby read that.
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5/5
This was probably the longest post on TL I have actually read all the way through, and it had my rapt attention throughout.
That was some amazingly mind boggling insight into the minds of the bronziest of the bronze. I almost feel bad for starting my ladder career in silver now.
Seriously, I laughed and got strange looks from people more than once reading this.
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Oh my fucking god this is too great.
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These blogs are just so great. I usually am too lazy of a person to read a long blog, but if it's a Gheed blog, it's doubtlessly worth it. For this I thank you, kind sir.
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You better do this for d3 when it comes out! D:<
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I love the last guy.
Wanted to see how deep and condescending the rabbit hole was. Excellent literary reference.
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Haha I love your blogs, they're always so funny.
5/5
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This has to be the best thing I have ever read on TL.
I can't believe I didn't get bored and stop reading for such a long article. You sir, I give props to.
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I've never felt more enlightened after reading a blog.
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Gheed your blogs are getting better and better lolol. I mean the last few conversation were just magical!!! 5/5 fa sho
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I too am entrigued by the mindset of a bronze player. I wish I could just sit in their chair for a day to see what it's like to play Starcraft at that level. There are some things that are just so basic that I don't understand how people can overlook it (like not constantly making workers in the very start of the game.. where else is your attention going?).
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I want to be one of the lawyers that gets to defend you. :D
Or at least observe the trial.
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All I can say is,
Slow Clap.
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I really wanna make a new account and just mass drone ppl in bronze league after reading this...
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5/5 I love your blogs sir :3
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Ah sad we won't get any more worker rush blogs in a while.
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Have you considered a post doctorate dissertation in psychology?
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"weren't you lamenting the fact that you don't have a lot of time to play sc2? because you've been sitting in a lobby talking for 30 minutes while i worker rush people"
oh man. i lol'd so hard.
thumbs up.
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This is one of my favorite blogs.
Keep descending, sir.
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Hilarious read. Keep it up XD
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Great write up. Well worth the read.
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Man that last guy was pure gold. Let us know when the lawyers subpoena you
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What's really funny, is that a mid-masters like myself, is just like these bronzies, when compared to a pro sc2 player, and a diamond, is like these bronzies to a masters, and a gold, etc, etc.
And then these bronzies/silvers/diamonds/masters talk balance, complain about the game, et cetera.
We're all bad when you get down to it. I've watched many low-masters play and thought "are these guys braindead?". I've seen masters players get supply blocked every. single. time from 9 supply, I've seen diamonds go gateway/forge on 1 base.
I'm not saying what you posted isn't funny though ^^
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I really enjoy this. That super long chat at the end with the guy complaining about mouse latency made me laugh the most hahaha.
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So its season 6 now... and if I throw my placement match and worker rush, maybe I' shall join you in the Bronze league my good sir.
I think you should try offensive buildings from now on. Toss can cannon rush (forge must be in opponent's base), Zerg can spine crawler rush, and Terran must offensive PF.
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Lolololololololololololololololo that last convo. Oh mannnn
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On February 05 2012 16:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
So its season 6 now... and if I throw my placement match and worker rush, maybe I' shall join you in the Bronze league my good sir.
I think you should try offensive buildings from now on. Toss can cannon rush (forge must be in opponent's base), Zerg can spine crawler rush, and Terran must offensive PF.
I vote spine crawler push, just pure spine crawlers and some other unit (queens? idk)
... actually I did that before to a protoss and a terran before in plat 1-2 seasons ago
or whenever there were freaking close positions on metal/st.... or maybe that 3-4... i dont' remember anymore O_O
like expoed and then made like 3-4 spines and then aggressively pushed creep to the opponent's base.
The funny thing is one game he 4gated into failing into voidrays against me... and um. I did a spine crawler push with ling+roach(+hydra+queen) and took the expos as I passed by them (metalopolis close position) and then won O_o
those were funny
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This blog is very interesting and funny read. Almost makes me wanna get a bronze smurf.
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I laughed out loud multiple times and ended up having to explain the premise of this blog to my girlfriend. Amazing stuff, particularly the 5 rax off 8 scv's into double gas build, "my friends are fking hardasses at this game, thor he is rank 8 bronze!" and the illiterate no unit protoss. I'd give it more than 5 stars if I could.
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Honestly the best part about this was the last picture. Long read but weeeelllll worth it
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I think it's bm to post stuff of raging ppl without their permission.
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How do Bronzies have like 200 and 600 games on these accounts?
I can't STAND to lose, I only have like 50 ladder wins since sc2 came out. If they can stand to loose that much... how... on earth...
I think I would trade knowledge or whatever just to have the ability to lose that much. I could get so much better if I could just ladder like that. how do they take the punishment? I get so mad when I lose... maybe I don't BM enough? Maybe that is how they subsist in bronze. Interesting stuff.
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you're like the reporter in a wartorn country where no one has been. you are like the guy that goes to north korea and then comes back and tells us how fucked up shit is. I commend you for your selflessness in the service of knowledge, truth, and in your pursuit of trying to find the answer to the age old question of, "what makes us human?"
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On February 04 2012 19:50 eu.exodus wrote:
people lose to worker rushes? do they not know what a+click does? wtf?
and they complain about it like its op?
WTF!!!
And those people are allowed to drive cars, have children, raise children, and vote. Holy fucking shit.
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The suing guy was pretty funny.
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You're my hero for this blog. <3
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On February 05 2012 17:32 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 19:50 eu.exodus wrote:
people lose to worker rushes? do they not know what a+click does? wtf?
and they complain about it like its op?
WTF!!!
And those people are allowed to drive cars, have children, raise children, and vote. Holy fucking shit.
Never thought of it like this. Kind of scary.
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A very Lovecraftian intro, I love it.
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This is so easily the best thing i've read in 2012. Thank you so much!
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To put things into perspective though, even NesTea needed like 10 seconds to react to this.
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Everything about these blogs screams that they shouldn't be enjoyable, and every time one shows up I end up shitting myself laughing. Thank you for your work, good sir. I'm looking forward to the next one.
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These are always so hilarious. I love it!
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On February 05 2012 10:43 Fresh37 wrote:
Essentially you are bullying a bunch of 12 year old boys who have different reasons for playing to you and the majority of the community. When I played Red Alert 1/2 I had to max out my population on mammoth tanks before any attack.
Anyway, stop being anti-social[a dick] and start using your considerable writing skills for something productive.
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Did i miss someting ? From what i read I think the poster is 100% right. While i appreciate the unsual strategies, this is still nothing but bullying, trolling (haha lol, bashing bronzies, what fun...) and enjoying the suffering of others, and i personally think the blog creator is a jerk (again, unless i am missing something in which case i apologize...) for having his fun at the expense of others. However nice effort of putting it together. Where i again agree with Fresh37.
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This is funny as hell but I do feel a bit guilty for laughing.
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On February 05 2012 18:58 Thojorin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 10:43 Fresh37 wrote:
Essentially you are bullying a bunch of 12 year old boys who have different reasons for playing to you and the majority of the community. When I played Red Alert 1/2 I had to max out my population on mammoth tanks before any attack.
Anyway, stop being anti-social[a dick] and start using your considerable writing skills for something productive.
User was warned for this post Did i miss someting ? From what i read I think the poster is 100% right. While i appreciate the unsual strategies, this is still nothing but bullying, trolling (haha lol, bashing bronzies, what fun...) and enjoying the suffering of others, and i personally think the blog creator is a jerk (again, unless i am missing something in which case i apologize...) for having his fun at the expense of others. However nice effort of putting it together. Where i again agree with Fresh37.
If it was a "oh look at me, i threw my placement matches and now i am 90-1 in bronze, i am awesome and bm all of them because yes lolololol!" i would kind of agree.
But we are talking about worker rushing here. There's no way you should lose to a worker rush, since the game tutorials teach you how to amove. And it's not like they ask "oh shit i suck, what could i have done better?" They literally think they lost because of hacks, balance, cheating....that's the surreal part. I mean sure for the bronzie on the receiving end of it it's definitely a bad experience, but it's also something that is so incredibly easy to avoid, you really shouldn't lose like that in the first place, ever.
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This blog seeps into my sanity like a piece of night torn loose. I think you are perfectly right on this. It just makes no sense at all. Quite a mad, insane, twisted apotheosis of failure.
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Have you considered asking your opponents their age? I really hope most of these people you're playing are kids 11 and under...
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ah the darkside of TL
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I wonder if the last guy tested it against the ai yet.
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This blog is a beautiful, beautiful masterwork.
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Your not the anti-hero TL deserve, but you are the one we needed.
Amazing read!
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The reactions to this thread show the success-oriented, narcissistic and chauvinistic mental state of the Starcraft community.
ah the darkside of TL
The whole purpose of this thread is humiliation.
Do you enjoy when "nerds" are being humiliated in the media or even by your closest friends?
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I really hope to see Benzilla post on these blogs one day.
5/5 as usual
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I agree that harvester rushing is very similar to bullying and it is very shameful way to play starcraft. It is a strategy designed to defeat the least skilled opponents you can find on server. If you play somebody who knows that harvesters can attack you gonna lose simply because he has more stuff.
I think that if you are a player who doesnt know what to do against it, this strategy absolutely ruins any fun of this game. I think that people wants to make big armies more than dealing with scv attack.
I don't quite understand what is so fun about abusing low level players and purposely making them angry. Anger is just natural reaction and there is nothing wrong with it. On the other hand i think there is something wrong with people wasting their time on making people angry, ruining their game and doing blog about it.
But this blog is in spotlight on TL so i guess it is entertaining for most people? Haha, i drone rushed him and he lost, look how angry he is haha. He is so dumb and don't know how to amove haha...srsly?
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This blog is totally awesome, great read and a good laugh ^^ I applaud you for the time and effort you put into your blogs, Gheed.
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Your best blog entry yet. Had me laughing all the way through.
Don't listen to the haters, just worker rush them.
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On February 05 2012 19:16 Teoita wrote:
But we are talking about worker rushing here. There's no way you should lose to a worker rush, since the game tutorials teach you how to amove. And it's not like they ask "oh shit i suck, what could i have done better?" They literally think they lost because of hacks, balance, cheating....that's the surreal part. I mean sure for the bronzie on the receiving end of it it's definitely a bad experience, but it's also something that is so incredibly easy to avoid, you really shouldn't lose like that in the first place, ever.
Where exactly it teaches you amove? I must have missed it, because I completed campaign few times and find out about amove from my friend when I was in platinum. I dont even remember that there would be some hint that harvesters can attack. Usually if any unit that can attack encounter an enemy it starts attacking by itself, but harvesters dont so it's quite natural to think that they can't attack.
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double post shitty internet sorry.
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Haha, I found that hilarious. Then I opened the bonuses spoiler...
5/5, I admire your patience.
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i have a smile in my face...Good read!
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Amazing blog as usual
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On February 05 2012 21:33 Bruky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 19:16 Teoita wrote:
But we are talking about worker rushing here. There's no way you should lose to a worker rush, since the game tutorials teach you how to amove. And it's not like they ask "oh shit i suck, what could i have done better?" They literally think they lost because of hacks, balance, cheating....that's the surreal part. I mean sure for the bronzie on the receiving end of it it's definitely a bad experience, but it's also something that is so incredibly easy to avoid, you really shouldn't lose like that in the first place, ever. Where exactly it teaches you amove? I must have missed it, because I completed campaign few times and find out about amove from my friend when I was in platinum. I dont even remember that there would be some hint that harvesters can attack. Usually if any unit that can attack encounter an enemy it starts attacking by itself, but harvesters dont so it's quite natural to think that they can't attack.
In the tutorials, just like in any game.
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Just go funday monday on these games. Let your opponent pick the units you're allowed to build. That should hopefully get you some losses.
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These just get better and better, the last one was classic hahaha.
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If battle.net ran on pure nerdrage, this man has ensured it will outlast our sun.
great read as always
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Gheed you devil you. 5/5 I just spent the last 30-40 minutes reading this and as always I finished very pleased. lol
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well fun reading and so but in the end its just sad
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On February 05 2012 15:07 Kid-Fox wrote:
All I can say is,
Slow Clap.
Clap............................ Clap............... Clap........... Clap...Clap
*Roaring standing ovation*
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The hour and a half turtle game reminded me of one of my friend.
I introduced him to the game and teached him how to macro. We would often watch streams together and sometime play against each other (eventhough he couldnt possibly win against me). One day, he explained that he played a game with his brother (him being zerg, and his brother being toss). His brother turtled on one base with mass cannons. Knowing how to macro, my friend proceeded to take the whole map, but was unable to break his defenses with ground units such as roaches, hydras or banelings. He told me that he surrendered because he thought that he couldnt break him and that he lost the game. I couldnt understand how he came with this reasoning, but he did.
Luckily he became a little better after time.
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So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
I guess a lot of people find it entertaining but I think its pretty shitty to troll the low league guys when you are obviously a lot better than them.
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On February 05 2012 22:36 Joedaddy wrote:
So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
What you are failing at recognizing is that he is not using anything from 3+ leagues above, he is using what bronze leaguers could use aswell (and do).
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That last chat log is incredible.
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I (want to) believe some people you meet in your quest to find the truth are simply minors, so young they simply don't understand what they should and are do(ing). The one who couldn't find your base and simply build stuff around the map for example, I hope. The last picture however clearly removes the theory everyone in bronze are children, which is really the scary and sad thing.
Whatever you continue to do Gheed, I salute you on your journey to learn, and hopefully understand one day, whatever it might be. It's a pleasure to follow your quest to enlightenment where you sacrifice yourself in hopes of greater understanding.
It also amazes me how some people seem to find Gheed's blog to be "look at these bronze baddies and how I crush 'em."
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i marvel at how you still have any brain cells left after such an extended stay in NA bronze
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On February 05 2012 22:38 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 22:36 Joedaddy wrote:
So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
What you are failing at recognizing is that he is not using anything from 3+ leagues above, he is using what bronze leaguers could use aswell (and do).
Granted, but if me and IMMvp both worker rushed each other 100 times, I'd lose all 100 of them. He's not MVP, I know, but his mechanics/micro are such that he has an unfair advantage over the lower league guys he's trolling.
Aside from that, I thought Blizzard said smurfing was ban worthy?
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On February 05 2012 22:41 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 22:38 Roggay wrote:On February 05 2012 22:36 Joedaddy wrote:
So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
What you are failing at recognizing is that he is not using anything from 3+ leagues above, he is using what bronze leaguers could use aswell (and do). Granted, but if me and IMMvp both worker rushed each other 100 times, I'd lose all 100 of them. He's not MVP, I know, but his mechanics/micro are such that he has an unfair advantage over the lower league guys he's trolling.
No, but you have to remember that in a worker rush scenario, the ONLY thing you have to do is a-click past his workers. In fact, microing further than that often time is not a particularly good thing.
You will NOT lose to that if you simply a-click.
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On February 05 2012 22:47 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 22:41 Joedaddy wrote:On February 05 2012 22:38 Roggay wrote:On February 05 2012 22:36 Joedaddy wrote:
So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
What you are failing at recognizing is that he is not using anything from 3+ leagues above, he is using what bronze leaguers could use aswell (and do). Granted, but if me and IMMvp both worker rushed each other 100 times, I'd lose all 100 of them. He's not MVP, I know, but his mechanics/micro are such that he has an unfair advantage over the lower league guys he's trolling. No, but you have to remember that in a worker rush scenario, the ONLY thing you have to do is a-click past his workers. In fact, microing further than that often time is not a particularly good thing. You will NOT lose to that if you simply a-click.
Sounds like he's graduated from worker rushing bronze to playing longer games. The whole thing stinks to me. Guy was in Plat > Guy demotes to bronze > Guy beats up on bronze leaguers > Guy blogs about beating up bronze leaguers > People laugh.
I know its a game and not real life, but the real life analogy is a high school kid bullying grade school kids and then blogging about it.
I'll leave it alone since so many people seem to enjoy it and someone with a feature button thinks its cool to smurf/troll/whatever you want to call it the low leagues.
1/5 from me though on content. 5/5 for the effort put into the post itself.
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you know.... this is pretty funny... but in an ugly kind of way. I really hate that I find this funny.
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this is the greatest blog post ever
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On February 05 2012 23:02 Inori wrote:
If he was playing against his own level of opponents, doing stupid crap and still winning, that would be awesome.
This is just sad, especially considering it managed to drag for 6 blogs.
The fact that he's a terrible player himself doesn't help either.
you mean like when i 12/10 drone rush diamond terrans and instawin?
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You sir, are hilarious. Funnily enough i found this thread in the german Blizzard forum, with the title "low league players dont get enough respect". How to get respect for those people....
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On February 05 2012 23:26 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 23:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:On February 05 2012 23:02 Inori wrote:
If he was playing against his own level of opponents, doing stupid crap and still winning, that would be awesome.
This is just sad, especially considering it managed to drag for 6 blogs.
The fact that he's a terrible player himself doesn't help either. you mean like when i 12/10 drone rush diamond terrans and instawin? Well that drone rush can be classified as a legit cheese and not 'stupid crap and still winning' (heck, I even saw WhiteRa lose to it), but yes, even that is better than humiliating lower league players for 6 blogs in a row.
So you're calling a 12/10 drone rush legit cheese and a 7 drone/probe/SCV rush NOT legit cheese?
Damn, the hypocrisy in that post is astounding.
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On February 05 2012 23:02 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 22:47 Roggay wrote:On February 05 2012 22:41 Joedaddy wrote:On February 05 2012 22:38 Roggay wrote:On February 05 2012 22:36 Joedaddy wrote:
So you got tired of playing in Plat, then worker rushed you way into bronze where you are currently spending your time trolling people you are 3+ leagues better than and blog about it on TL to say "lol noob?" Really?
What you are failing at recognizing is that he is not using anything from 3+ leagues above, he is using what bronze leaguers could use aswell (and do). Granted, but if me and IMMvp both worker rushed each other 100 times, I'd lose all 100 of them. He's not MVP, I know, but his mechanics/micro are such that he has an unfair advantage over the lower league guys he's trolling. No, but you have to remember that in a worker rush scenario, the ONLY thing you have to do is a-click past his workers. In fact, microing further than that often time is not a particularly good thing. You will NOT lose to that if you simply a-click. No matter how much you try to justify it, he's still abusing the fact that some people are unable to do so (for whatever reason, it doesn't matter) and then laughs at them and then posts a blog post about it for everyone to laugh. Also the "it should be obvious, their fault!!" argument is really cute, but subjective. Obvious to whom? To him or to his opponents? A lot of things are obvious to masters/GM players that apparently are not to him (since he didn't even get out of platinum), you don't see them humiliating him about it. If he was playing against his own level of opponents, doing stupid crap and still winning, that would be awesome. This is just sad, especially considering it managed to drag for 6 blogs. The fact that he's a terrible player himself doesn't help either.
In all honesty, worker rushes are so common in bronze that if one denies himself the possibility to learn how to counter those, it's just really sad they are trying to pretend they want to play a 'real game'. Because the purpose of 'real games' is winning, you should be on your way to learning how to do so long time ago. It doesn't excuse you that you don't have enough time to play or that you have just bought the game, especially since Gheed does not actually make fun of such people. If you have just bought the game, you are probably on your way out of bronze, and if you don't have enough time to actually learn from your own mistakes, then I'm even more horrified by the thought of meeting you in person.
All in all, it's a game, with rules well-known by everyone, not handicapping anyone in an immediate manner; whoever you are faced against, you are both on an even ground and both have to follow those rules in order to win. If you don't play to win, you cannot possibly blame anyone who is playing to win, in whatever not prohibited by the rules way; and if you want to win and still whine about whatever shit you want to put the blame on but yourself, then I pity you very, very hard.
And for crying out loud, if you believe that everyone should be equal (as in the humiliation part is not a proper thing to do, as they should have a chance to do... what, play the game?), then consider this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=304674#20
I'm not even sure why I responded to this.
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ROFL that last picture!!!
The level of thinking of these people is rather sad though.. Maybe they're trolling.
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It's not that he's bullying. He's using a bad strategy and kind of abusing the lack of basic sc2 knowledge of his opponents. It's just 3 minutes of their time. I can't imagine Gheed BMing someone who was friendly.
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I love you, man. That was hilarious and gives me a good idea for one of my accounts when I'm bored ^^
And yes, you will never understand bronze players, they just...suck, really really suck....
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A legit cheese is a cheese that works ? that's quite hypocritical I think.
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On February 05 2012 23:38 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 23:30 Ciryandor wrote:On February 05 2012 23:26 Inori wrote:On February 05 2012 23:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:On February 05 2012 23:02 Inori wrote:
If he was playing against his own level of opponents, doing stupid crap and still winning, that would be awesome.
This is just sad, especially considering it managed to drag for 6 blogs.
The fact that he's a terrible player himself doesn't help either. you mean like when i 12/10 drone rush diamond terrans and instawin? Well that drone rush can be classified as a legit cheese and not 'stupid crap and still winning' (heck, I even saw WhiteRa lose to it), but yes, even that is better than humiliating lower league players for 6 blogs in a row. So you're calling a 12/10 drone rush legit cheese and a 7 drone/probe/SCV rush NOT legit cheese? Damn, the hypocrisy in that post is astounding. 12/10 drone rush that doesn't work against GM Koreans with impeccable worker micro 6/7 worker rush comes at funky timing that can catch Bronze player off guard You're either elitist master jerk or troll to not see the difference.
FTFY
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On February 05 2012 23:38 Bojas wrote:
It's not that he's bullying. He's using a bad strategy and kind of abusing the lack of basic sc2 knowledge of his opponents. It's just 3 minutes of their time. I can't imagine Gheed BMing someone who was friendly.
Knowledge is more like a power in starcraft so in a sense he is more powerful than his opponents if they don't know how to a move. So he is abusing weaker players.
It can be just 3 minutes of their time or maybe it's much more. If somebody gets harvester rushed three times in a row i can see him being even for some time after a game or you can ruin his game so much he wont play anymore. I don't think it's a good thing, do you?
And of course he won't BM someone who is friendly, but he is purposely trying to make them angry so he can post their rage on his blog.
And it's not like he is trying to help them. He could just write them and say "Hey, I'm sorry for doing this strategy. But it is easy to hold. You just box all your workers click A or attack icon and click behind enemy workers and that way they start attacking and you should have much more units."
How can you say it's not bullying? Btw usually bullying starts as a fun for people watching it.
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Oh man that last picture.
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hilarious blog, nice pictures
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On February 05 2012 23:38 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 23:32 JohnMadden wrote:In all honesty, worker rushes are so common in bronze that if one denies himself the possibility to learn how to counter those, it's just really sad they are trying to pretend they want to play a 'real game'. Because the purpose of 'real games' is winning, you should be on your way to learning how to do so long time ago. It doesn't excuse you that you don't have enough time to play or that you have just bought the game, especially since Gheed does not actually make fun of such people. If you have just bought the game, you are probably on your way out of bronze, and if you don't have enough time to actually learn from your own mistakes, then I'm even more horrified by the thought of meeting you in person. All in all, it's a game, with rules well-known by everyone, not handicapping anyone in an immediate manner; whoever you are faced against, you are both on an even ground and both have to follow those rules in order to win. If you don't play to win, you cannot possibly blame anyone who is playing to win, in whatever not prohibited by the rules way; and if you want to win and still whine about whatever shit you want to put the blame on but yourself, then I pity you very, very hard. And for crying out loud, if you believe that everyone should be equal (as in the humiliation part is not a proper thing to do, as they should have a chance to do... what, play the game?), then consider this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=304674#20I'm not even sure why I responded to this. See, here's where subjectiveness comes in. From any masters/gm player perspective 'not getting out of plat' can be everything what you just listed. Not playing to win, not learning from mistakes, outright dumb. Not having enough time is not excuse because it's easy to get masters by playing 1-2 games/week. You don't see them posting blogs about humiliating lower league players because of it. P.S. I'm not sure if 'you' is just your way of expressing thoughts or you're actually referring to me. If it's latter, then I'm mid masters.
Maybe I have put it into words in a wrong way, but I didn't want it to sound as if I was justifying him humiliating the bronze league players. And that's because he is not humiliating themselves per se, he's exposing and grinding his teeth over people's inability to learn, and that's something to be dreaded. I mean, you can have trouble holding a 1/1/1 push as Protoss, but a worker rush? The easiest to counter tactic? I suppose you could get caught in a higher league not being able to make a snap call to a-move (what, really?) as you could not experienced it before, but falling many times for the same thing, and BMing people for doing so, telling them it's op/stupid/noobtactic/whatever else, is just silly and honestly, for the good of the community, should be exposed.
Leagues don't matter, either you know and win or you don't.
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I laughed out loud atleast five times whilst reading it. Witty comments and amazing analogies!
It really is fascinating to read about the lowest of low's, your blog comes of as a bit of Heart of Darkness as the lower you go the further the entropy of reason goes as well.
How can someone play 600 games in a game like sc2 and still be that horrid? This is anthropology at its best <3
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This is still comedic gold.
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So awesome...
Love these. Please don't drive yourself mad trying to figure out how to lose to these people. I believe in you.
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This was very funny, but I say it again. Your life must be very empty. I suggest you find something better to do with your time. Or not, cause I enjoy reading your blog.
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This is so well-written, I always get this warm fuzzy feeling inside and have a blast from sentence one to the last full stop.
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On February 06 2012 01:00 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 00:37 JohnMadden wrote:On February 05 2012 23:38 Inori wrote:On February 05 2012 23:32 JohnMadden wrote:In all honesty, worker rushes are so common in bronze that if one denies himself the possibility to learn how to counter those, it's just really sad they are trying to pretend they want to play a 'real game'. Because the purpose of 'real games' is winning, you should be on your way to learning how to do so long time ago. It doesn't excuse you that you don't have enough time to play or that you have just bought the game, especially since Gheed does not actually make fun of such people. If you have just bought the game, you are probably on your way out of bronze, and if you don't have enough time to actually learn from your own mistakes, then I'm even more horrified by the thought of meeting you in person. All in all, it's a game, with rules well-known by everyone, not handicapping anyone in an immediate manner; whoever you are faced against, you are both on an even ground and both have to follow those rules in order to win. If you don't play to win, you cannot possibly blame anyone who is playing to win, in whatever not prohibited by the rules way; and if you want to win and still whine about whatever shit you want to put the blame on but yourself, then I pity you very, very hard. And for crying out loud, if you believe that everyone should be equal (as in the humiliation part is not a proper thing to do, as they should have a chance to do... what, play the game?), then consider this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=304674#20I'm not even sure why I responded to this. See, here's where subjectiveness comes in. From any masters/gm player perspective 'not getting out of plat' can be everything what you just listed. Not playing to win, not learning from mistakes, outright dumb. Not having enough time is not excuse because it's easy to get masters by playing 1-2 games/week. You don't see them posting blogs about humiliating lower league players because of it. P.S. I'm not sure if 'you' is just your way of expressing thoughts or you're actually referring to me. If it's latter, then I'm mid masters. Maybe I have put it into words in a wrong way, but I didn't want it to sound as if I was justifying him humiliating the bronze league players. And that's because he is not humiliating themselves per se, he's exposing and grinding his teeth over people's inability to learn, and that's something to be dreaded. I mean, you can have trouble holding a 1/1/1 push as Protoss, but a worker rush? The easiest to counter tactic? I suppose you could get caught in a higher league not being able to make a snap call to a-move (what, really?) as you could not experienced it before, but falling many times for the same thing, and BMing people for doing so, telling them it's op/stupid/noobtactic/whatever else, is just silly and honestly, for the good of the community, should be exposed. Leagues don't matter, either you know and win or you don't. You're missing the point that it's subjective. For you it seems that 1a is so easy and natural and logical, how can somebody in bronze not know it? For me it seems that macro routines or good timings knowledge is natural and logical, how can somebody in plat not know it. Will it be okay if I lower my MMR to plat and abuse my knowledge to get a few laughs just because I know more?
Because 1a is a total of two actions that require little to no thought. Macro and timings require more complex interactions, assumptions, scouting, mechanics and whatnot. The game itself, with no input from the community or outside guides, teaches you how to 1a, but it doesn't teach timings, builds, unit compositions and what not. You get my point.
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It's nice to see you trying new stuff. I always thought your worker rushes are out of place and not suited for the bronze league.
Keeping your calm, knowing the difference between a-move and right clicking, you microing a worker or hiding bases... It's too much for them.
It's not that they can't, they just don't want to. They won't play YOUR game, they play their OWN game.
Bronze isn't interesting because they suck and you get funny ( for some people at least ) rage pics, it's interesting because of their creativity in strategies.
If you really want to see what's in bronze, you have to make certain strats, show it to them and let them do the magic. Let them play their game.
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This just doesn't get old, bronze is gold!
Edit: that even rimed lol.
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On February 06 2012 01:00 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 00:37 JohnMadden wrote:On February 05 2012 23:38 Inori wrote:On February 05 2012 23:32 JohnMadden wrote:In all honesty, worker rushes are so common in bronze that if one denies himself the possibility to learn how to counter those, it's just really sad they are trying to pretend they want to play a 'real game'. Because the purpose of 'real games' is winning, you should be on your way to learning how to do so long time ago. It doesn't excuse you that you don't have enough time to play or that you have just bought the game, especially since Gheed does not actually make fun of such people. If you have just bought the game, you are probably on your way out of bronze, and if you don't have enough time to actually learn from your own mistakes, then I'm even more horrified by the thought of meeting you in person. All in all, it's a game, with rules well-known by everyone, not handicapping anyone in an immediate manner; whoever you are faced against, you are both on an even ground and both have to follow those rules in order to win. If you don't play to win, you cannot possibly blame anyone who is playing to win, in whatever not prohibited by the rules way; and if you want to win and still whine about whatever shit you want to put the blame on but yourself, then I pity you very, very hard. And for crying out loud, if you believe that everyone should be equal (as in the humiliation part is not a proper thing to do, as they should have a chance to do... what, play the game?), then consider this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=304674#20I'm not even sure why I responded to this. See, here's where subjectiveness comes in. From any masters/gm player perspective 'not getting out of plat' can be everything what you just listed. Not playing to win, not learning from mistakes, outright dumb. Not having enough time is not excuse because it's easy to get masters by playing 1-2 games/week. You don't see them posting blogs about humiliating lower league players because of it. P.S. I'm not sure if 'you' is just your way of expressing thoughts or you're actually referring to me. If it's latter, then I'm mid masters. Maybe I have put it into words in a wrong way, but I didn't want it to sound as if I was justifying him humiliating the bronze league players. And that's because he is not humiliating themselves per se, he's exposing and grinding his teeth over people's inability to learn, and that's something to be dreaded. I mean, you can have trouble holding a 1/1/1 push as Protoss, but a worker rush? The easiest to counter tactic? I suppose you could get caught in a higher league not being able to make a snap call to a-move (what, really?) as you could not experienced it before, but falling many times for the same thing, and BMing people for doing so, telling them it's op/stupid/noobtactic/whatever else, is just silly and honestly, for the good of the community, should be exposed. Leagues don't matter, either you know and win or you don't. You're missing the point that it's subjective. For you it seems that 1a is so easy and natural and logical, how can somebody in bronze not know it? For me it seems that macro routines or good timings knowledge is natural and logical, how can somebody in plat not know it. Will it be okay if I lower my MMR to plat and abuse my knowledge to get a few laughs just because I know more?
I'm just trying to say that a-move is a key mechanic in the game and 'having more units beats having less units' is something that common sense would contribute to the thought process, while developing macro routines and the knowledge of good timings requires you to put some practice into the game, nothing else. People who play a strategy game and not put some thought into it are doing it wrong and that's why Gheed felt compelled to show people it's not quite the best idea to play it mindlessly and then whine about shit being op or boring, or stupid.
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On February 05 2012 18:58 Thojorin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 10:43 Fresh37 wrote:
Essentially you are bullying a bunch of 12 year old boys who have different reasons for playing to you and the majority of the community. When I played Red Alert 1/2 I had to max out my population on mammoth tanks before any attack.
Anyway, stop being anti-social[a dick] and start using your considerable writing skills for something productive.
User was warned for this post Did i miss someting ? From what i read I think the poster is 100% right. While i appreciate the unsual strategies, this is still nothing but bullying, trolling (haha lol, bashing bronzies, what fun...) and enjoying the suffering of others, and i personally think the blog creator is a jerk (again, unless i am missing something in which case i apologize...) for having his fun at the expense of others. However nice effort of putting it together. Where i again agree with Fresh37.
The warning was only because im new to TL apparently... I don't understand really but I guess calling the original post idiotic is allowed generally. If not and i get banned for such comments, im happy being not part of the TL
Also regarding a-move, It took 3 weeks of my sc2 career to discover. I've not played the tutorials and only stumbled across a-move when reading up on strategy. Might seem pretty obvious but to those of us who've never played online rts games before.. it isn't!
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On February 06 2012 02:57 Fresh37 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 18:58 Thojorin wrote:On February 05 2012 10:43 Fresh37 wrote:
Essentially you are bullying a bunch of 12 year old boys who have different reasons for playing to you and the majority of the community. When I played Red Alert 1/2 I had to max out my population on mammoth tanks before any attack.
Anyway, stop being anti-social[a dick] and start using your considerable writing skills for something productive.
User was warned for this post Did i miss someting ? From what i read I think the poster is 100% right. While i appreciate the unsual strategies, this is still nothing but bullying, trolling (haha lol, bashing bronzies, what fun...) and enjoying the suffering of others, and i personally think the blog creator is a jerk (again, unless i am missing something in which case i apologize...) for having his fun at the expense of others. However nice effort of putting it together. Where i again agree with Fresh37. The warning was only because im new to TL apparently... I don't understand really but I guess calling the original post idiotic is allowed generally. If not and i get banned for such comments, im happy being not part of the TL Also regarding a-move, It took 3 weeks of my sc2 career to discover. I've not played the tutorials and only stumbled across a-move when reading up on strategy. Might seem pretty obvious but to those of us who've never played online rts games before.. it isn't!
Why not go throught the tutorials if you have never played an rts game before?
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This is the funniest post I have ever seen on TeamLiquid. Nicely done Gheed ♥
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I've played rts games.. just never online (apart from 5 games of red alert 2 when I was 13). I'm too impatient for tutorials. I just started the campaign and figured things out as I went along.
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But, how do you lose against people so bad? I didn't want to just mass leave games, as that is somewhat frowned upon, although I know firsthand blizzard never actually does anything about it. So I needed a tactic that was worse than worker rushing. Could such a thing possibly exist?
Delayed worker rush. Pit your one-base, "hit the worker button" macro skills against Bronze League macro, micro, and composition.
The build order:
6: Worker
9-10 and as needed: supply structure
25 and every 25 thereafter as desired: in-base command center, nexus, or hatchery for further worker production
200: a-move all the workers to the enemy base.
- Importantly, no mining expansions are permitted, nor is any non-worker to be constructed save to force an end to a Terran liftoff.
- The race's macro mechanic (chronobost, mules, queens) is not permitted.
- If the first attack fails without destroying a unit-producing structure or tech structure, gg and quit. If the attack does destroy one or more of these, then at the player's discretion gas may be taken for the purposes of researching upgrades to workers (I think they benefit from armor?)
- If the opponent attacks prior to reaching 200 supply of workers, a counterattack with all workers is permitted at the player's discretion.
This is in no way a cheese build, and it should not catch mid-to-upper bronze players by surprise. It also plays to Gheed's "strength" of worker rushing. I think the hard-and-fast rules of "failed attack means gg" will also prevent sliding goalposts of accidentally building units or microing at an above-bronze level.
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I used to get offended at people who claimed bronze players were this bad, because I was once in bronze and never this bad. I realize now that the reason I was in bronze for so long was simply because I never laddered and never had a chance to be promoted. That summer I laddered, got a bunch of wins and was promoted promptly. It's only been going up since then.
Now it's time to be a giant hypocrite dick.
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I love every word you write, this is brilliant. I can't wait for your next one :D
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On February 05 2012 16:26 zhurai wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 16:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
So its season 6 now... and if I throw my placement match and worker rush, maybe I' shall join you in the Bronze league my good sir.
I think you should try offensive buildings from now on. Toss can cannon rush (forge must be in opponent's base), Zerg can spine crawler rush, and Terran must offensive PF. I vote spine crawler push, just pure spine crawlers and some other unit (queens? idk) ... actually I did that before to a protoss and a terran before in plat 1-2 seasons ago or whenever there were freaking close positions on metal/st.... or maybe that 3-4... i dont' remember anymore O_O like expoed and then made like 3-4 spines and then aggressively pushed creep to the opponent's base. The funny thing is one game he 4gated into failing into voidrays against me... and um. I did a spine crawler push with ling+roach(+hydra+queen) and took the expos as I passed by them (metalopolis close position) and then won O_o those were funny
Idunno, make it work.
I think you'd just throw down a hatch in the corner of his base, make a queen and some drones, and morph spine crawlers and plant tumors. Or if he;s zerg, just throw down a spine crawler on the edge of his creep.
For PF, I guess if you spawned close air you could fly over your original CC. Otherwise I guess you'd morph your original CC to an OC, then send SCV's to build another CC closer to his base and then morph it in range of his base. Throw in a couple marines cuz you have the rax too, though that might make it too good.
Cannon rush, forge inside the base. Nuff said.
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Oh man such an entertaining blog, that last conversation was the cherry topping as well. Slander is clearly the wrong offence to use, he should have went with copyright infringment of literary workl! . Really though, do give the 200 worker tactic a go and tell us how it goes? :D
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Best blog I've ever read. 5/5
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Whenever I read this and see players higher than bronze I start to question my own skill level and wondering if I could actually hold a worker rush. All things considered, I do know how to a-move so yes I probably good.
I await the next one eargerly Gheed, I love these.
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Maybe do a 1base, 200 worker push?
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I don't know why, but these blogs captivate me
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You guys ever wondered why a lot of bronze players are starting a game and then leaving after less than a minute? It's because they have bots, leave it on for a night get like 200 wins and in a couple of days every portrait is unlocked. it proves even more that strats as simple as probe rushes are not enough to lose in bronze league.
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Best thing I'll read this week hands down
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hahahaha, my favorite is the last conversation. It's like when Charlie is "lawyering" in It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
"Well then I'll digress because I feel I have made myself perfectly redundant."
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Brilliant as always.
This post from the last one is worth quoting btw:
On January 20 2012 06:30 Najda wrote:
You should start every game by giving instructions on how to defend a worker rush. Make the bronze league a better place :D
Actually this seems like a fantastic next step to delve deeper. Get a keyboard macro to make it even easier.
1. "When my workers arrive at your base, attack move with yours. GLHF."
2. Proceed as normal.
3. When/if you win... I will join you in scooping my brains out with a martini stirrer through the nose.
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It seems like, eventually, this should stop working, right? Like, natural selection, even the bottom of the bronzes will eventually learn?
Or maybe I'm giving people too much credit
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On February 06 2012 05:56 JawHun wrote:
It seems like, eventually, this should stop working, right? Like, natural selection, even the bottom of the bronzes will eventually learn?
Or maybe I'm giving people too much credit
Have you seen the responses he's getting? He's convinced that he's cheating or worse than they are lol....doubt they'll learn.
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May be time for a liquipedia entry
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your blogs always bring a smile to my face, Gheed
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More depressing than the actual BM is the fact that I can actually read it.
This is actually the greatest post of all time.
Once it finished mind-f******g me of course.... 0.o
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Gheed you are a god among men.
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The definition of bronze is that you do not know how to play. So to sit and be amazed at how people do not know how to play in bronze is kind of useless. Even if it's semi-well written and has witty captions,
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Your blog is most amusing, keep 'em coming.
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i visited my cousin today, and played a few games on his account (he's bronze and he's bad, but he likes the game, which is the most important thing.) as I wanted to really get that "bronze" feeling, I decided to do nothing in the first 5 minutes of the game. (tvp on xnc) I didn't move my workers, I didn't even build a seventh scv. needless to say, I still won the game and I really felt kinda guilty afterwards. i mean, how is something like that even possible? FIVE MINUTES. and to make things even stranger: he scouted me after 4 minutes, and he saw that I was doing nothing. by then he already had a few zealots, who could have easily killed my workers.
maybe he was a noob, and I really hope so. because otherwise I would have to redefine my personal definition of stupidity.
bronze is special.
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that last dialogue is quite literally the funniest thing I've read in 3 months. Fantastic Dr. Gheed, 5/5.
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HAHAHA oh Gheed, your blogs are hilarious.
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Thank you Gheed, bringing tales of places where no TLer would ever dare to venture.
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I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
Felt the exact same way when I read through the blog.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
My thoughts exactly (maybe except for some assumptions in the last paragraph) ...
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
holy shit you got passionate while writing that XD
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I agree with Geneside's post as well. Purposely playing people that are not as good as you in order to publicly humiliate them is just being a bully. Pretty shameful and mean spirited in my opinion.
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On February 06 2012 08:20 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
holy shit you got passionate while writing that XD
He has a point, but an arguably invalid point.
Sure mass leaving games from diamond to bronze and then proceeding to 6 pool every game would be something of a "schoolyard bully", but worker rushing? Arguably the least effective strategy (anti-strategy I think Gheed once referred to it as) in the entire strategy book bar attacking your own building with workers.
The existence of this blog alone is evidence that there exists a plane of reality so far removed from us that only by applying anti logic can we hope to venture downwards and glimpse at it's form. You say that Gheed is "attempt(ing) to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner." What are you suggesting exactly, that bronze level players lack the proper resources to press a button and use a mouse?
Misguided you may be Gheed, but you're alright in my books.
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Oh my god, that last convo with barzilla ... so good :D :D :D
And honestly, calling Gheed a schoolyard bully? Really? If he were artificially keeping his MMR low and then toying around his opponents with superior mechanics, tactics, strategy and builds, then I would agree with you. But he's freaking worker rushing. And not even a zerg 12 drone worker rush, but a 7 worker rush.
Still, maybe as a sign of good will, I think it would be really cool of Gheed if he were to give lessons to the bronzies who would be willing to learn from him. A way of giving back to the community? (besides this hilarious blog)
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Haha you amused me :D.
You should write a book about the dark bottom of bronze ^^.
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The day that TL becomes a website where you can't make fun of Bronze Leaguers for losing to worker rushes is a very sad day indeed.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years. Words can't express how correct this is. The blog's sole saving grace is that it's well written (snidely, pompously so); if you ignore that, all you get left with is a guy who gets his kicks from trolling people who're either entirely new to the game or people who have very little experience in actually playing it. It's like a kid in school who gloats over how he just beat up a guy much younger than him.
It's a shame that this constantly gets spotlighted, imagine if you were a new player who just found TL; you'd be discouraged from participating in the community just by reading this blog and come to think of the community as a bunch of high and mighty pricks that encourage players to pick on people less skilled than them. I don't see how this kind of behavior should be encouraged, let alone spotlighted on the front page, but I guess this is TL's house. Just hoping people don't come away after reading this with the wrong impression about the community as a whole.
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On February 06 2012 08:42 happyft wrote:
Oh my god, that last convo with barzilla ... so good :D :D :D
And honestly, calling Gheed a schoolyard bully? Really? If he were artificially keeping his MMR low and then toying around his opponents with superior mechanics, tactics, strategy and builds, then I would agree with you. But he's freaking worker rushing. And not even a zerg 12 drone worker rush, but a 7 worker rush.
Still, maybe as a sign of good will, I think it would be really cool of Gheed if he were to give lessons to the bronzies who would be willing to learn from him. A way of giving back to the community? (besides this hilarious blog)
I'havnt gone back to check but i recall an earlier blog by him where he did indeed offer the players how to beat it. The problem is there so set in there mind that you cheese/cheat/abuse/whatever that the vast majority just ignore it and spout bm instead.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
I would agree for the most part if he were doing some 10 minute 3 rax all in that would never work if the opponent had been doing any real build, or if he'd been going 1 base battlecruiser or something along those lines. But no, he was worker rushing. When I was 10 I played the original Starcraft against the AI, would mass cannons and go carriers off one base with hunt and peck typing abilities and no game understanding whatsoever. My 10 year old self would never have lost to a worker rush.
I am truly sorry, but if you can't find a, click, and sit back within 4 seconds then you should not be playing video games. Admittedly he has bm'd his fair amount, but has expressed remorse over this, and I did prefer the sort of primordial force feel to worker rushing and observing the reactions. He also explained to anyone who asked how to hold off his rush and for the most part only said something if they spoke first.
You do not need to be a touch typist or be particularly agile with your mouse to play this game better than 50% of the population. I know people who have, with 30 apm, overly safe builds, almost no multitasking ability, poor micro, and extremely outdated unit compositions stayed in gold just by playing ~10 games per season. I am of the firm belief that anyone can do this with minimal previous rts experience and practice.
This is not a case of someone being amazed that 90% of the gaming population cannot hold a properly executed 4 gate rush. This is not someone going 1/1/1 every game. This isn't even Dragon getting to masters on multiple accounts doing strategies that everyone knows should never work. This is someone worker rushing and writing an obviously satirical blog of his experiences and incredulity caused by worker rushing every game, or turtling and seeing how long it takes them to kill him. This is a case study of the worst players, what their mentality is, and how their mind works in an in-game situation.
I recommend you and the people who agree with your post take a close look at the people you're actually defending, what the OP has done to them in reality. The only ones you can really say were hurt in all of this are the try-hards. Those poor, poor try-hards.
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Yeah, I think it's time to stop spotlighting this garbage. GeNeSide is right, nothing but a online bully making fun of people who are new to computer games, or have not yet developed eye-hand coordination for starcraft. Pretty disrepectful now that I think of it.
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I am ever soo tempted to tank my rating down to bronze to experiance these people.
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Worker rushes should NEVER work..... maybe the 12 drone rush in 1/100 games but that's it. Your blogs make me laugh but at the same time I lose faith in the lower leagues of sc2
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Almost two years ago when I was completely new to the game, during the SC2 Beta, I was worker rushed....and lost. I don't remember the specifics (12 drone? 7 drone?), and I don't think I would have appreciated the difference at the time anyway. However, I do know that it was one of the most infuriating things to happen to me in all my gaming experience. I raged at the guy pretty hard after the game. This is something I never do, over the last two years I have never raged at anyone again, but I simply didn't expect there to be anything in SC2 that could make me feel that awful. So I do sympathize with some of Gheed's victims.
That said, I did find this series to be a very entertaining read. I like the colorful metaphors, really makes me feel like I am being told a tale by someone exploring some undiscovered island inhabited by strange people. I am intrigued by the study of play at the very bottom of the ladder. I hope Gheed finds some way to go as low as possible, and I hope he continues to blog about his experiences.
Gheed, might I suggest you find some way of playing against these bronze level players that might give them a more rewarding experience? I think if you could manage to play close games with your opponents, but barely lose them, I don't think you'll make anyone unhappy. Even better if you can do so without being obvious that you're actually a higher level player than him. Plus, such a scenario would give you a much better study of their overall game play.
Oh, and don't jump to conclusions about some of these guys who lose to worker rushes, in terms of their chances on ever getting halfway decent at the game. Since I lost to that worker rush in the beta I've long since past this blogger's original league.
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On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
It seems to me like many posters here haven't read all of the blogs and are just attacking Gheed on first apperances and quite impulsively. He actually does adress most of the things you call him out on in your response, you know O.o
Also; what's with the preachy tone? How are statements like, "loose some weight", "troll in a basement" and "misguided soul" any less derrogatory than what you accuse him of doing to others? In my oppinion, you yourself come of as a bully in your post. If you want to discuss the morale veracity of this kind of trolling, go for it, but why retort to blatant personal insults?
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On February 06 2012 09:03 Ixtlilton wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I did find this whole blog funny and you are a good writer but damn, people making fun of people with less skill in this game is not really cool at all.
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions. Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
I feel for our world not because of the people you have encountered and their obviously anger and embarassment driven BM, but moreso for the fact that this is actually a featured post on TL's homepage and thousands of my fellow posters feed you the fuel to keep it going. Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement behind the cover of anonymity is not what you should be doing with your obvious talent and drive to write, and by the fact that after reading your blog I can deduce you are not a complete moron but a misguided soul.
I would agree for the most part if he were doing some 10 minute 3 rax all in that would never work if the opponent had been doing any real build, or if he'd been going 1 base battlecruiser or something along those lines. But no, he was worker rushing. When I was 10 I played the original Starcraft against the AI, would mass cannons and go carriers off one base with hunt and peck typing abilities and no game understanding whatsoever. My 10 year old self would never have lost to a worker rush. I am truly sorry, but if you can't find a, click, and sit back within 4 seconds then you should not be playing video games. Admittedly he has bm'd his fair amount, but has expressed remorse over this, and I did prefer the sort of primordial force feel to worker rushing and observing the reactions. He also explained to anyone who asked how to hold off his rush and for the most part only said something if they spoke first. You do not need to be a touch typist or be particularly agile with your mouse to play this game better than 50% of the population. I know people who have, with 30 apm, overly safe builds, almost no multitasking ability, poor micro, and extremely outdated unit compositions stayed in gold just by playing ~10 games per season. I am of the firm belief that anyone can do this with minimal previous rts experience and practice. This is not a case of someone being amazed that 90% of the gaming population cannot hold a properly executed 4 gate rush. This is not someone going 1/1/1 every game. This isn't even Dragon getting to masters on multiple accounts doing strategies that everyone knows should never work. This is someone worker rushing and writing an obviously satirical blog of his experiences and incredulity caused by worker rushing every game, or turtling and seeing how long it takes them to kill him. This is a case study of the worst players, what their mentality is, and how their mind works in an in-game situation. I recommend you and the people who agree with your post take a close look at the people you're actually defending, what the OP has done to them in reality. The only ones you can really say were hurt in all of this are the try-hards. Those poor, poor try-hards.
The attitudes expressed in your post are exactly the problems we should be trying to weed out in TL and SC communities in general, is the upmanship, better than thou ness. The whole premise of this thread presented in "nuts and bolts" can be disregarded by the simple fact that we take for granted constant SCV production, because the first thing we ever learn about playing SC is "build workers constantly". Your taking things for granted like bronze players knowing the correct reaction to something, I don't care if its a 4gate or worker rush, having to decide "can I kill this blob of workers with my workers" is not something a fairly unskilled and inexperienced player is going to necessarily react to properly in the few seconds he has.
All the posts defending Gheed seem to assume that Starcraft knowledge is akin to common sense, how can you have the gall to suggest that these noobs exist in a seperate plane of reality where you have to apply anti-logic to sink that low? 8 workers beating 7 because it takes the attacking SCV's 30 seconds base-to-base is not written in the manual, its not in the tutorial. Check this post :http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/20985
Is this player an idiot because he had to question why he was losing to this particular strat? Is he in a moron? No more than the hundreds of thread on this forum asking how to counter other strategies. You dont know, you either find out through working it for yourself by experience. Take for instance the 600 game player who lost twice to the rush. The sheer amount of games suggest that he has a 1 IQ if he cant beat a worker rush but you cant determine how seriously he takes the game, you know? Making judgements on people's intelligence based on their reaction to 1 specific uncommon scenario in a game they are not even that good at is ludicrous. Check out this thread
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/628257139
Did you ever think that the player has lost several times to worker rush and could be doing things like this incorrectly assuming that things like focus fire and worker micro are helping rather than hurting?
You mention people you know with 30 APM and overly safe builds and that they can reach and maintain gold with "MINIMAL EXPERIENCE OR PRACTICE". Just the fact that you used the word practice invalides that point of your argument because being in bronze suggests you have no practice or experience! I was lucky to have an older cousin who played BW at a B, B- level to keep me on the right track and despite playing BW as a kid and WC3 for years I still had to do my stretch in bronze back in beta, losing to things like mass void rays, cannon rush as zerg, and yes, a few worker rushes. Most bronze noobies will not have this kind of helping hand, or simply want to play the game for fun, building units they think will be cool at a snail's pace and moving out at 20 minutes with a 0-0 max on 1 base. Not everyone is sitting at their computers with their mind-right face on getting ready to steal some nerd's ladder point, those of us here who play with this attitude are definately a minority(although I dont doubt that there are lower league players who play to win, but I mean diamond+ players who take the time to find kinks in their game and will not blink throughout a game). For all you know these "moronic noobs" are 10 year old kids whose mom's just bought them this game because they like aliens and have no idea that there are build orders.
The harm in this thread is not to Gheed's countless victims, as I'm sure many of them don't give a rats ass.
The real harm is the fact there are thousands of people enjoying seeing lower level players be victimized by a player admittedly 3-4 leagues above theirs, a self-admitted troller and BMer, and we act like its god's divine will that should allow us to humiliate our fellow man on OUR fourm because there are so few bronze leaguers here. Well why do you think that is? Probably because this kind of bigoted attitude. Who the **** are you to tell people they shouldn't be playing video games because they dont meet YOUR requirements and standards? Guess what, they meet the only requirements that matter, they paid for the game and were willing to put the time in; it was good enough for Blizzard, it's good enough or me and it damn well should be good enough for you.
The snobby comments like "look who you are defending" remind me of the kind of things you read about in history books about the oppression of minorities across the world. Good job carrying on one of the most disgusting traditions to grace human history.
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And those are not personal insults at Gheed but 1. merely my opinion on what his actions say of his character and 2. something he wrote in part 2 or three of his blog(i just read them all tonight, it all gets kind of muddy).
If he can throw stones at bronzes he should be able to take them I would imagine.
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Some of the posts in this thread make my heard hurt almost as much as the behaviour described in the OP. Take this one, for example:
On February 06 2012 07:40 GeNeSiDe wrote:
I can imagine the guy who threatened to sue you is probably quite upset seeing you posted that here, I dont get why you would actually consider this "delving" into anything, you are not studying anything, you are just playing a bunch of terrible players at a game I can only imagine they are 1. terrible at and 2. really dont care about playing better. If we were talking about a mindless game like CoD that is entirely based on reflexes and visiual perception skills I could understand your shock but your talking about a game that challenges players with different scenarios on a game-by-game basis, with a tech tree which is not immediately accessible and a counter-based combat system which is not linear in any way and is highly susceptible to differences in macro and situational micro. To be good at starcraft at even the lowest level you need to have access to a decent computer, an accurate laser mouse as well as being a touch-typer and agile with a mouse.
Yeah, you definitely have to master your race's tech tree and know proper unit counters to stop a worker rush. But that's not enough! You also have to have a top-of-the-line system and be a maestro with the mouse.
I know people who were interested in this game when I showed them to it but gave it up because their typing skills meant macro was very difficult for them, whereas for myself and other RTS vets the only thing to learn about macro is which hotkeys and when, and although they could watch me play for hours and understand the metagame as I explained to them, they simply could not keep up with the speed/timing necessary to execute a simple build order and would therefore resort to these kinds of builds you describe, going random hydra roach, mass defence for no reason, stupid decisions.
You know people who mass roach/hydra because they're not good at typing?
Their difficulty in a-moving in the 3-4 seconds from ramp to mineral line could very well be impossible for these people at their level of expertise/equipment, we should be praising our casual gamers rather than vilifying them, even the lowest of the low who will quit and never look back, because amongst these newbies are inevitable gems and new gamers who could very well form the cornerstone of the TL community in coming years.
No one is "vilifying" casual gamers. First of all, nothing about playing the game casually impels one to blame a loss to a worker rush on racial imbalance. But beyond that, appreciating the comedic value of someone losing in ridiculous or farcical fashion does not constitute "vilifying" them in any meaningful sense of the world. Even professional players lose in ridiculous fashion on occasion, and in finding those outcomes humorous we in no way cast them as some kind of villains to be reviled.
If we peel back the well placed puns and witty comments, all we have is the E-version of a schoolyard bully who couldn't even push platinum so decided that instead of being humiliated by players of his own skill level he would attempt to humiliate those who lacked the resources to fight back in a proper effective manner.
What resources, exactly, do they lack? They seem to me to be fully equipped to defend against the OP's play, aside, perhaps, from the basic knowledge of how to defend a worker rush: a resource that the OP appears happy--even eager--to provide them with. Moreover, how is playing at a bronze level against bronze opponents bullying them? If they weren't playing him, they'd be playing each other and losing in similar fashion.
But speaking of delving a little deeper, let's examine the assumptions that underlie this misplaced moral outrage, shall we? If the OP would have otherwise been "humiliated" by players of his own skill level, and bronze players are "humiliated" when they lose to bronze-level play, then apparently everyone's Starcraft 2 experience consists largely of being humiliated. Far from "praising our casual gamers" your attitude seems to suggest that if you're not the best player in the world, it's some kind of deep, dark secret that you should be profoundly embarrassed about.
Far from that being the case, however, for someone who genuinely plays the game casually--who truly doesn't "care about playing better"--there is no humiliation in defeat. Just who exactly, pray tell, do you propose these people are, who do not care about playing better, yet are humiliated when it is pointed out that they play poorly? That's incoherent nonsense. Either they do care about getting better, in which case their embarrassing defeat is merely the typical kind of frustrating learning experience that's part-and-parcel of getting better at a game like Starcraft 2, or they really don't care about getting better, in which case they can't be especially embarrassed about their present level of skill.
Time to peel back the curtains, lose some weight and realize that being a troll in a basement
So much for the moral high ground. What were you saying about the "E-version of a schoolyard bully," again?
Good grief.
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You should sue him, people that victimize others more stupid than the common denominator in hilarious, attention-seeking blogs are human scum! I know people in the U.N if you need more help.
On February 06 2012 10:18 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Good job carrying on one of the most disgusting traditions to grace human history.
Oh the irony of this comment coming from someone named GeNeSiDe, the "o" version was taken?
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On February 06 2012 10:18 GeNeSiDe wrote:
The attitudes expressed in your post are exactly the problems we should be trying to weed out in TL and SC communities in general, is the upmanship, better than thou ness.
Upmanship is exactly how competitive communities thrive.
All the posts defending Gheed seem to assume that Starcraft knowledge is akin to common sense, how can you have the gall to suggest that these noobs exist in a seperate plane of reality where you have to apply anti-logic to sink that low? 8 workers beating 7 because it takes the attacking SCV's 30 seconds base-to-base is not written in the manual, its not in the tutorial.
Yeah, I guess the exercise of counting to eight isn't in the manual or the tutorial. Excellent point.
Who the **** are you to tell people they shouldn't be playing video games because they dont meet YOUR requirements and standards?
Yeah, nobody is saying that. He's just saying that people are bafflingly bad at the lowest levels. Which, you know, makes sense statistically, considering that they're at the bottom.
The snobby comments like "look who you are defending" remind me of the kind of things you read about in history books about the oppression of minorities across the world. Good job carrying on one of the most disgusting traditions to grace human history.
Yeah, I'm glad that minorities are only oppressed in history books where you live. Also -- are you implying that being a minority, something that is entirely outside of somebody's control, is similar to being so awful at a competitive video game that you lose to the absolute weakest attack imaginable?
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For what is worth, I liked this blog, Gheed.
People have no sense of humour anymore. But as always the righteous must defend the downtrodden. So righteous away good knights, I'll be somewhere else having a laugh.
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Wow, bronze league really is the hell hole of sc2.
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On February 06 2012 09:03 Ixtlilton wrote:
I am truly sorry, but if you can't find a, click, and sit back within 4 seconds then you should not be playing video games. rds. .
That is expressly saying that bronzers shouldnt play. Why dont you read before quoting people off-topic.
It's human nature to be embarassed by defeat. It's human nature to be upset by something when it bests you. That is all well within the confines of the game.
I think alot of you guys quoting me are out of touch with the reality of how the world works. For 99% of the world, their life does not revolve heavily around SC2. Within this 99% there are the people we are discussing, who like the game, not the e-Sport, and who simply are trying to blow off some steam, who will never look up how to do a perfect build, will never understand how the metagame is supposed to react. These people will lose to worker rushes because they are not starcraft robots and, as the OP CLEARLY demonstrated, tend to act in ways which guarantee their loss.
I just dont see whats worth posting a 7 part blog about how you can piss off a bunch of noobies by humiliating them(i dont care what you say, when you lose to a worker rush it is infuriating and humilitating). Are you really surprised that platinum player will win with sub-optimal strats because the skill difference is that extreme? It certainly found it funny for the first couple parts but I't doesnt change the fact that its not right.
Lord_J, the humiliation is not the loss in game, its the fact that we have this thread here, which shows player tags in full detail, league results, etc. I wouldn't imagine it beyond the realm of possibility that someone, somewhere has found their name in this blog. Would you be happy to find yourself being called a moron? Is it funny to call someone "stupid beyond the common denominator" for it? I have been guilty of BM before and I probably will be again, but when we step beyond the threshhold of anonymity and make these comments to threads with bronze leaguers name's in them, well thats bang out of order mate.
You cast me as trolling for paraphrasing from Gheed's own blog(whether that was true or not, who knows who cares) when you yourself are trolling trying to be witty, taking my sentences out of context and reading them exactly as written rather than actually understanding the message I am conveying(ie the roach hydra statement, taken from reference to the turtling game where Gheed reported that his opponent randomly built about 30 hydras, 4 spines and a overseer without even scouting his base. This is the kind of random behavior that inexperienced players do.)
[QUOTE]On February 06 2012 10:44 zarepath wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 06 2012 10:18 GeNeSiDe wrote:
The attitudes expressed in your post are exactly the problems we should be trying to weed out in TL and SC communities
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All the posts defending Gheed seem to assume that Starcraft knowledge is akin to common sense, how can you have the gall to suggest that these noobs exist in a seperate plane of reality where you have to apply anti-logic to sink that low? 8 workers beating 7 because it takes the attacking SCV's 30 seconds base-to-base is not written in the manual, its not in the tutorial. [/quote]
Yeah, I guess the exercise of counting to eight isn't in the manual or the tutorial. Excellent point.
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Nice try failing at being funny. My point is, assuming a bronzie even walls off, he has about 4 seconds between when the workers are visible on minimap to when the first attack goes off.
Your and my thought process would say "I have more workers, A-click" in a blink of an eye.
Now let me run you through an imaginary noobie thought process:
1. whats happening
2. how many workers is it
3. how many workers do i have
4. how do i respond
5. action
Now obviously there are some among these who Gheed will have lost to who mostly skip 1-5 out of experience but to call someone stupid for not being able to do that in 4 seconds, or for panicking and doing something that loses them the game, its OTT mate. Maybe funny for 1 blog post (like the countless "i 6pool my way to *****" threads), but 7? I just keep imagining a little kid getting ID'ed by his friends as losing to this and quitting SC because of it, when he was genuinely interested. Not everyone is as persistent in the face of failure(which is basically what learning SC is, failure after failure until you do it right).
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I kind of get the feeling you may be making fun off a bunch of 10 and 11-year old kids, and either way it was a great read.
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On February 06 2012 12:13 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Now obviously there are some among these who Gheed will have lost to who mostly skip 1-5 out of experience but to call someone stupid for not being able to do that in 4 seconds, or for panicking and doing something that loses them the game, its OTT mate. Maybe funny for 1 blog post (like the countless "i 6pool my way to *****" threads), but 7? I just keep imagining a little kid getting ID'ed by his friends as losing to this and quitting SC because of it, when he was genuinely interested. Not everyone is as persistent in the face of failure(which is basically what learning SC is, failure after failure until you do it right).
If you quit because of something like that, you were bound to quit sooner rather than later anyway.
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On February 06 2012 10:18 GeNeSiDe wrote:
The snobby comments like "look who you are defending" remind me of the kind of things you read about in history books about the oppression of minorities across the world. Good job carrying on one of the most disgusting traditions to grace human history.
+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +Just more terran OP BS
Terran makes no sense.
You should loose LOL
fking scrub aff dmg hack sont get past bronze cheesing like a bitch lol
I wasent scouting like anoob
id I did I would ruined u you know terran starts with more right? dear god just stay in bronze kidd play like a man or a girl
... so uhh... why are we defending these attitudes again? Maybe they're taken out of context, but I can't really think of any context that justifies the things said. Isn't there a point one can reach where they're just not 'worth' defending? I'm sure I can pick plenty of examples to blow out of proportion but have some truth.
To troll, I can almost say 'good job carrying on one of the most disgusting traditions to grace the internet'. I'll admit that you seem to have some honor about you with your claims, even if I think they're misplaced.
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On February 06 2012 12:13 GeNeSiDe wrote:
1. whats happening
2. how many workers is it
3. how many workers do i have
4. how do i respond
5. action
The point I see is what happens after.
6. Win, trash talk.
6. Lose, whine about imbalance, trash talk.
It would be different if it was
6. Lose, question why the loss happened, win next time it happens.
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While I think this is hilarious, the hindsight bias in this thread is sickening. People make it sound so obvious that it makes the bronze leaguers look like brainless idiots. Its easy to say, in any scenerio, looking back on a play or strat, "oh its so obvious he should have done that, he should have made X or done Y". Try being in their shoes with their knowledge during the game. For all we know, he was playing a 7 year old (yes, there are 7 year olds who play SC2). When the worker rush happens to players who play for the first time, many don't know what to do. Anyone who says its obvious and common sense are clueless. Me and my friend were doing 2v2, and got proxy 2 gated. They busted a supply depot, and in panic, I started to build a barracks there when I could have lifted off a nearby barracks and blocked the ramp. We ended up losing, and only afterwards, it became painstakingly obvious what I should have done. I hate smug assholes who look back and make obvious claims because they think everyone should be able to think at their level.
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I lost to a these worker rushes back in the beta. I'm masters now, and Gheed anytime you wanna 1v1 hit me up.
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I think the main thing that everyone should be arguing, if they do in fact disagree with this blog, is not whether bronzies "should or should not" be able to a click. Of course they can, and we can laugh at the people who do it. But I feel like it may have been a step too far in posting some of these antecotes.
Take the natman guy. The only real bm he did(which wasn't a reaction to Gheed's own) was "Lol noob." Which is somewhat understandable, given no one likes losing to a worker rush. But I feel that we shouldn't be singling out specific people, or maybe, in a perfect world, Gheed should just blur out the names. Because for all we know the guy was having a horrible day, and it certainly seems like it.
I don't feel like this blog in itself is a bad idea, as I certainly laughed. And I liked to imagine myself worker rushing every game, and seeing the hilarious reactions that bronzies do. But I'm not going to go and humiliate them, for I'm sure at least one of them has read these blogs. And I don't think for your personal amusement, or any sort of "oh you should of A clicked", encourages that sort of humiliation.
Is there an easy way to blur out the names? Sure if someone is a super dick and deserves it, then let the world know they're a dick(*cough* Jedigamer *cough.*) But if you know anyone who's had severe insecurity issues(I have quite a friends with that and a mild amount myself), you will know how severely this kind of blog can have on them.
Anyway just my two cents
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That DEVO picture LOL.
Dear god.....Great blog man....
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You have far more patience than I do. You are quite the baller, sir. Please continue your escapade!
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On February 06 2012 12:26 omgimonfire15 wrote:
While I think this is hilarious, the hindsight bias in this thread is sickening. People make it sound so obvious that it makes the bronze leaguers look like brainless idiots. Its easy to say, in any scenerio, looking back on a play or strat, "oh its so obvious he should have done that, he should have made X or done Y". Try being in their shoes with their knowledge during the game. For all we know, he was playing a 7 year old (yes, there are 7 year olds who play SC2). When the worker rush happens to players who play for the first time, many don't know what to do. Anyone who says its obvious and common sense are clueless. Me and my friend were doing 2v2, and got proxy 2 gated. They busted a supply depot, and in panic, I started to build a barracks there when I could have lifted off a nearby barracks and blocked the ramp. We ended up losing, and only afterwards, it became painstakingly obvious what I should have done. I hate smug assholes who look back and make obvious claims because they think everyone should be able to think at their level.
Exactly my point. A swimmer holds their breath with ease, an ashmatic will choke after seconds.
Edit: Sorry that is daft. Of course you can laugh at the BM. What I mean to say is that encouraging Trolling noobies even if it is in a joking and satyrical way is not right. Im sure most of us would react the same way. he even admittedly makes fun of people in the first few parts "i went back to my trolling ways".
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Just read all these blogs for the first time, some hilarious stuff. People will go to any lengths to prove that they are not in the wrong. The last story there was gold.
I ran into a worker rusher the other day on the ladder, first time I'd encountered it (Plat league). I was so confused, but kept my pants mostly shit-free and just moved my workers into a reasonable position and a-moved. He immediately left the game, of course, but I was so confused afterward. I appreciate it a bit more now
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Thank you for these blogs. They are endlessly entertaining. That last chatlog was golden.
Ppl really need to sit back and laugh sometimes instead of getting their feelings hurt over everything. Its intense.
The iceing on the cake in all this too are the people who tell you that your wrong about it being easy to stop. It is literally 2 clicks to victory vs a worker rush. Priceless.
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terran starts with more LOL. I love you man.
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Absolutely hilarious. I look forward to more of this.
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Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
I really can not see how there is anything of value to be learned from what Gheed is doing. You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing. They click the little buttons at the bottom right of the screen and make crap shoot each other. It is truly sad to me that people can somehow find a way to feel superior because they have more knowledge about a subject that others probably have spent little or no time contemplating. I have spent many many of my waking hours playing music, learning theory, was a vocal major in college, play guitar/bass/drums/keys whatever. Would it make sense for me to go laugh at someone attempting to go play their first open mic for fun? Tell them I can't believe they can't make a simple G chord? Say that I somehow want to study them to figure out why they are so damn bad? I mean...come on. I know this is under blogs, and I will be honest I don't know exactly how this works since Gheed def. is entitled to his own opinions in his own blog. However, I really hope this comes down off spotlight. It really paints the Team Liquid community in a bad light. To those of you who stood up for these victims, good for you. Be proud of yourselves. To anyone who was featured in these blogs I am sorry, I want you to know not all people around here are like this, many are very kind and helpful. Keep playing and having fun. It is just a game after all.
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Do people not realize this isnt the first time its been spotlighted? Now all of the sudden its a moral dilemma. Haha. I love TL, its the only place i visit on a daily basis ^__^
And really? All bronze players are there to have fun playing.. but if they lose to something that takes 2 clicks to beat, they rage and are obviously not enjoying this game. Half the fun is learning this game, i only play for fun and i never rage when i lose to really dumb things.... but what do i know i guess im not bronze...
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Why is a Bronzie like a writing desk.
O my god Gheed <3
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As I said earlier, I found this blog "devilish" fun, but it's also based on rage. The novelty of bronze players not knowing how to react is pretty much gone, which is probably why Gheed is trying different stuff now.
Take a step back and realize: Gheed generally knows what's going to happen almost every game, not counting the variation of bad responses to a worker rush. His opponents are usually taken by surprise. Some of them have read his blog. Are any of those blog-worthy? Hardly. Someone who was nice and recognized his name got a screen shot. That's generally not very interesting. The ones who appear in his blog are those whose minds draw a blank when 7 workers enter their base.
Then they lose and rage, and Gheed's way of responding to it is very entertaining. Yet there's no denying he's taking advantage of a situation of his own making--one he sees coming (the worker rush, not the weird responses) while his opponents do not. It's like being called upstairs to talk with your boss, and then you're ambushed with something you supposedly did wrong, or a co-worker complaint about you. You have no preparation, and you're left fumbling for the right words, but you really risk making the situation even worse. Your boss has the home field advantage. Being unprepared makes it much more difficult to react calmly.
I think the part about "not understanding how stupid people can be" is overblown as well. There's a little too much egotism in the desire to believe ourselves superior to those in bronze, and I don't mean "better at Starcraft." Personally, while I'm just as susceptible to selfishness, I think we're capable of realizing that most of us are or were that bad at something.
There's a certain fake love Gheed shows for his opponents, but it's more like a scientist watching rats in a maze and studying the ones who fail rather than those who succeed.
I challenge you all to just leave a game if someone worker rushes you. That'll be the fastest exit to a new game and to meaningful practice. Only stay if you have trouble with worker rushes or worker vs worker micro battles (yeah, real important)
On a somewhat hypocritical note, I didn't realize I missed part 6. Heck yeah.
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Majestic. Simply majestic
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How bored can one be to workerrush every game?
Do you really think you are funny because you steal the fun of anyone else's game? What would you think if you start playing sc2 and you dont know how to use the a move? What if you were trolled the whole day because you were in bronze? They will never become better because of stupid guys like you.
When you enter bronze, you get cheesed all day. 50% of the new guys see the strategies, think the are the best or at least the fastest way to get a win and then cheese themselves. The other half wants to improve and eventually get out of bronze.
L2p!
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Some of the posters who are attacking Gheed are taking such huge leaps in their conclusions it's staggering. I never thought I'd see so many people near tears for someone making fun of bad mannered players and illogical desicions. To me, this whole blog is awesome in a "everyone is thinking it, few are saying it"-kind of way.
It is about people who play with either no will to win(with some who still manage to rage wildly when they lose), or who are so staggeringly incompetent that they can't identify just how horrid they are and blame it on stuff like balance(which is also funny). These characters exist in every league; bronze is just the most appealing place to find the most concentrated levels of it.
The more I think about it, the comments themselves to this blog are almost meta in their nature. Here we have posters who blame everyone and everything for the bronze players shortcomings, jumping to wild conclusions to demonize the OP and everyone who agree's with him all while taking a stand as someone who is sensible and obviously not on a high horse...
TL;DR If you are "playing for fun" and then still wind up spamming a person with racial slurs for 5 minutes after you lose a game, you are doing it wrong. This is a witty blog about the players who do not wish, are too ignorant or do not have the ability to learn and the crazy shit they do-- it's not a blog taking a better than thou vantage over new players or those with no RTS experience in general. Relax!
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a troll..not more, not less
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"It has to be false to be slanderous, and it is not false that you are a dipshit."
Man, I lol'd so hard. So excellent.
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On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
I really can not see how there is anything of value to be learned from what Gheed is doing. You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing. They click the little buttons at the bottom right of the screen and make crap shoot each other. It is truly sad to me that people can somehow find a way to feel superior because they have more knowledge about a subject that others probably have spent little or no time contemplating. I have spent many many of my waking hours playing music, learning theory, was a vocal major in college, play guitar/bass/drums/keys whatever. Would it make sense for me to go laugh at someone attempting to go play their first open mic for fun? Tell them I can't believe they can't make a simple G chord? Say that I somehow want to study them to figure out why they are so damn bad? I mean...come on. I know this is under blogs, and I will be honest I don't know exactly how this works since Gheed def. is entitled to his own opinions in his own blog. However, I really hope this comes down off spotlight. It really paints the Team Liquid community in a bad light. To those of you who stood up for these victims, good for you. Be proud of yourselves. To anyone who was featured in these blogs I am sorry, I want you to know not all people around here are like this, many are very kind and helpful. Keep playing and having fun. It is just a game after all.
If you wanna play for fun do custom games with other people you know only want to play for fun. Do not, I say again, do not play on a competitive ladder where other people are most likely playing competitively. Is that so hard to understand?
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Well, it is a very nice read, but I stopped reading it somewhere half through. I kinda feel for these poor people.
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HAHAHAHA that last conversation was pure gold :D
Also, the reasoning about a bully pushing you down on the schoolyard is pure bogus. Try exchanging the schoolyard for, I don't know, a boxing ring or something of the kind. You know, a place where you go to fight on your own accord. Then see if you can make the same point, without the opponent cheating.
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So when is Gheed getting a book deal? This man's words need to be preserved for posterity.
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Gheed, try rushing with half your workers. People running away from 3 scvs should be more fun than them running from 7
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On February 06 2012 16:19 graNite wrote:
How bored can one be to workerrush every game?
Do you really think you are funny because you steal the fun of anyone else's game? What would you think if you start playing sc2 and you dont know how to use the a move? What if you were trolled the whole day because you were in bronze? They will never become better because of stupid guys like you.
When you enter bronze, you get cheesed all day. 50% of the new guys see the strategies, think the are the best or at least the fastest way to get a win and then cheese themselves. The other half wants to improve and eventually get out of bronze.
L2p!
The irony is that you're telling him to l2p when a good chunk of his opponents *were* losing to the simplest tactic in the game.
This isn't even early seasons ladder where the bar was set pretty low for the average player skill level.
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On February 06 2012 17:00 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
I really can not see how there is anything of value to be learned from what Gheed is doing. You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing. They click the little buttons at the bottom right of the screen and make crap shoot each other. It is truly sad to me that people can somehow find a way to feel superior because they have more knowledge about a subject that others probably have spent little or no time contemplating. I have spent many many of my waking hours playing music, learning theory, was a vocal major in college, play guitar/bass/drums/keys whatever. Would it make sense for me to go laugh at someone attempting to go play their first open mic for fun? Tell them I can't believe they can't make a simple G chord? Say that I somehow want to study them to figure out why they are so damn bad? I mean...come on. I know this is under blogs, and I will be honest I don't know exactly how this works since Gheed def. is entitled to his own opinions in his own blog. However, I really hope this comes down off spotlight. It really paints the Team Liquid community in a bad light. To those of you who stood up for these victims, good for you. Be proud of yourselves. To anyone who was featured in these blogs I am sorry, I want you to know not all people around here are like this, many are very kind and helpful. Keep playing and having fun. It is just a game after all. If you wanna play for fun do custom games with other people you know only want to play for fun. Do not, I say again, do not play on a competitive ladder where other people are most likely playing competitively. Is that so hard to understand?
Yeah, let's hear it for competitive bronze league worker rushing.
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I don't know how low I would have to be in my life to actually spend time noob bashing to attract some internet attention. I actually laughed loudly once, so thanks for moderate amount of humorous content.
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On February 06 2012 17:00 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
I really can not see how there is anything of value to be learned from what Gheed is doing. You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing. They click the little buttons at the bottom right of the screen and make crap shoot each other. It is truly sad to me that people can somehow find a way to feel superior because they have more knowledge about a subject that others probably have spent little or no time contemplating. I have spent many many of my waking hours playing music, learning theory, was a vocal major in college, play guitar/bass/drums/keys whatever. Would it make sense for me to go laugh at someone attempting to go play their first open mic for fun? Tell them I can't believe they can't make a simple G chord? Say that I somehow want to study them to figure out why they are so damn bad? I mean...come on. I know this is under blogs, and I will be honest I don't know exactly how this works since Gheed def. is entitled to his own opinions in his own blog. However, I really hope this comes down off spotlight. It really paints the Team Liquid community in a bad light. To those of you who stood up for these victims, good for you. Be proud of yourselves. To anyone who was featured in these blogs I am sorry, I want you to know not all people around here are like this, many are very kind and helpful. Keep playing and having fun. It is just a game after all. If you wanna play for fun do custom games with other people you know only want to play for fun. Do not, I say again, do not play on a competitive ladder where other people are most likely playing competitively. Is that so hard to understand?
Well to be fair most people in bronze league play for fun not for competition, or they would simply not be in bronze league. The ladder system is pretty much designed so that players who dont want to play competitively or completely seriously get placed at the button and can square of against each other, not so that a high level player on purpose places himself in bronze league to beat them with tactics they dont know how to respond to.
Dont really see the fun in this blog tbh. Seems you just want to provoke a bm response by worker rushing in order to feel you have a right to shit back at the other players with your own bm.
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On February 06 2012 19:06 blackwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 17:00 Divinek wrote:On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
I really can not see how there is anything of value to be learned from what Gheed is doing. You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing. They click the little buttons at the bottom right of the screen and make crap shoot each other. It is truly sad to me that people can somehow find a way to feel superior because they have more knowledge about a subject that others probably have spent little or no time contemplating. I have spent many many of my waking hours playing music, learning theory, was a vocal major in college, play guitar/bass/drums/keys whatever. Would it make sense for me to go laugh at someone attempting to go play their first open mic for fun? Tell them I can't believe they can't make a simple G chord? Say that I somehow want to study them to figure out why they are so damn bad? I mean...come on. I know this is under blogs, and I will be honest I don't know exactly how this works since Gheed def. is entitled to his own opinions in his own blog. However, I really hope this comes down off spotlight. It really paints the Team Liquid community in a bad light. To those of you who stood up for these victims, good for you. Be proud of yourselves. To anyone who was featured in these blogs I am sorry, I want you to know not all people around here are like this, many are very kind and helpful. Keep playing and having fun. It is just a game after all. If you wanna play for fun do custom games with other people you know only want to play for fun. Do not, I say again, do not play on a competitive ladder where other people are most likely playing competitively. Is that so hard to understand? Well to be fair most people in bronze league play for fun not for competition, or they would simply not be in bronze league. The ladder system is pretty much designed so that players who dont want to play competitively or completely seriously get placed at the button and can square of against each other, not so that a high level player on purpose places himself in bronze league to beat them with tactics they dont know how to respond to. Dont really see the fun in this blog tbh. Seems you just want to provoke a bm response by worker rushing in order to feel you have a right to shit back at the other players with your own bm.
I couldn't have said that better myself, echoes my thoughts exactly. Im shocked this got spotlighted, seriously, worker rushing vs noobs, and writing a blog about it, sad day for TL IMO.
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On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
Sure people play it for fun
I play this game for fun
I also play this game because I want to be competitive at it
Why would I play something that I lose at alot for no reason, all my friends who were silver and below like eventually just all quit (I got their accounts too, but w/e).
You forget that people play to win too.
Also what you say would make sense, but the problem is that if they were just simply "trying to play" and if still playing in bronze was somehow still "fun" to those people, why would they _rage_. like blindly, raging at the person.... Unless they also realized they didn't actually have to talk to the person who _just beat them_ to tell them they are noob (when well, technically they are the noob).
Ok, unless they feel that somehow playing lots of games and losing alot and then always blaming it on imbalance, or messaging the other person that they were hacking or actually bad after they _lost_ is ____Fun____ then um. ok. but that's not playing the game.
On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
My friend is a brilliant fps player...which I am less then stellar at. I've had him play sc2 with me a few times and he is utterly wretched. The decisions he makes seem to literally make no sense at all, but that is because he doesn't know any better. He doesn't improve because he plays sc2 just for fun. He devotes his time and energy to improving other facets of his life...being a better doctor (yes he is a doctor), or a better drummer (we play in a band together) or his fps games. Starcraft just isn't as important to him as it is to all of you. I actually told him the other day to check out team liquid, and how everyone on here seemed like such good people, helpful and kind. I wanted to try and spur his interest in starcraft. Now I am extremely disappointed after reading this and can't imagine his reaction if he ran into Gheed in game. Of course he would be upset, probably BM (which by the way most people outside sc2 community have no concept of what is considered bm, don't even know what the hell GG is) and then be ridiculed or patronized by Gheed. What you people who find this humorous don't realize is, even though you may say "lolz, worker rush just a-move." Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation.
To those who say this is a form of bullying, you are exactly right. I think someone made an excuse that it's not logical to call it bullying since it is such a simple strat and easily beaten. It never seems like bullying when you are coming from a place of power. But think of the other persons perspective. What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?
FPS? Guess what, I suck at more than you. so what. that's why i don't play those games
When I do, it's just with my brother and just against bots (which turns into me doing comical things and laughing........ such as going into cod against bots and killing myself with rocket launchers while killing the bots ^_^ fun fun), Technically I'd do the same thing in a real game (Because "I don't care about the stats of the game"), which is similar to these bronze players. Sure I'd be laughed at, but I'm not trying to play the multiplayer, and even if I did, and did those kinds of things. Do you think it'll be appropriate for me to rage at the other players (just trying to play the damn game too) how bad they actually are and that they were hacking and that I'm gonna go sue them/go tell the admins to get them banned too?
"Casual players (and yes a casual player may have played hundreds of games) just don't understand the best way to respond to that situation."
As technically I'm a casual gamer in certain other games like HoN/Dota2/FPS games, I still know enough so I can um.... actually...like win? and like can handle losing (given my 'casual' status) that I can leave the game (sure, without a gg, but I'm not going to um go "LOL YOU NOOB /quit" or something totally immature like that?
Ah and don't pull the "they might have a mental illness" Guess what I have 2-3 myself. Does that mean that you can be a total jerk to people online? No.
"What if a bully in school pushed you to the ground everyday. And when you complained you were being bullied the teacher/principle simply said "well, he is using a very simple technique to knock you down all you have to do is side step out of the way noob"?"
No the situation in here would be, using your metaphor, would be "He pushed me to the ground, so then I stood back up and then started to bark at him saying that he sucks and that I'll sue him and get him expelled, then run away after, or start to debate with him comically for 30+ minutes how he's an idiot and you aren't, and he's explaining what actually happened, and what you can do (.... a-move the damn workers).
"You want an answer to why some bronze people suck? Cause to them this is just a game...simple as that. Something to do to pass the time and have fun playing."
is losing and crying imbalance, losing and crying that the opponent is a noob, losing and crying that the opponent is a hacker, or losing and...well...losing considered "fun" to the person? uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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You are my favorite person ever.
To have that much spite in you, I must say I am honestly jealous
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A little message to the OP:
As a fellow worker-rusher, I must say you're not the one who know the more about it, as you do what I would call a clear mistake in the first game you describe (the one that ends up in a draw). When you're terran, you should always lift your CC fterbuilding worker number 7 and float it to another base which will be:
- closer to the ennemy base: less distance if you want to come back and mine
- somewhere your opponent doesn't know so he will waste time looking for it
You would have won that game if you had done that. Also, hear my story of worker rushing. I began doing it reading your blog (yeah!) and then kept doing it for the dak voice. When I reached the 1000 random wins, I then decided to do it race per race. So I went for terran, and reached the 1000 wins as terran. Next I decided zerg. For some reason, I tried the 12/10 drone rush instead of the usual 7-worker rush, and for some reason, I just couldn't lose (except ZvZ). And I began to see my MMR go dangerously high. So high that, after fiwing ZvZ by going 6pool instead of worker rush, I reached high platinum (pretty much my level before worker rushing) doing just that. Quite fun ;-) My problem will be with protoss, obviously. I remember having trouble with P when I was at the "random" stage, so I know it's gonna be hard
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On February 06 2012 20:50 SolidMustard wrote:
A little message to the OP:
As a fellow worker-rusher, I must say you're not the one who know the more about it, as you do what I would call a clear mistake in the first game you describe (the one that ends up in a draw). When you're terran, you should always lift your CC fterbuilding worker number 7 and float it to another base which will be:
- closer to the ennemy base: less distance if you want to come back and mine
- somewhere your opponent doesn't know so he will waste time looking for it
You would have won that game if you had done that. Also, hear my story of worker rushing. I began doing it reading your blog (yeah!) and then kept doing it for the dak voice. When I reached the 1000 random wins, I then decided to do it race per race. So I went for terran, and reached the 1000 wins as terran. Next I decided zerg. For some reason, I tried the 12/10 drone rush instead of the usual 7-worker rush, and for some reason, I just couldn't lose (except ZvZ). And I began to see my MMR go dangerously high. So high that, after fiwing ZvZ by going 6pool instead of worker rush, I reached high platinum (pretty much my level before worker rushing) doing just that. Quite fun ;-) My problem will be with protoss, obviously. I remember having trouble with P when I was at the "random" stage, so I know it's gonna be hard
On shakuras and shattered I move my CC next to the rocks in case it turns into an unwinnable (more unwinnable?) situation where I've lowered the worker count in such a way that I could tech and win. I've only done it a few times, though. If I were going to do it regularly, why wouldn't I just harass with 4 workers and tech at home? And if i were going to do that, why not just 3 rax rush them? In the end, I decided to put as little effort as possible into each game. If they don't die to the initial a-move, I just leave. I don't want to spend time teching off of 3 workers.
I do like to move my CC to my enemies base in close air spawns for laughs, though. I've had games where they lift off so I just take their base and mine from it to kill them.
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Amazing read once again! I was laughing most of the time, but the last chat log (lawyer up!) completely got me ♥
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Apologies, I don't really know how to nestle quotes in here to respond to some of the comments pertaining to my first post. Maybe someone wants to make a blog about my stupidity? j/k Anyway, I am at work and really don't have time to figure it out and am tying from phone which is a pain, but I read some responses to my previous post about playing ladder so they should expect the game to be competative, or they bm so they are fair game. I would just like to make a simple example that i feel works in this situation and is more fleshed out that my previous. Please give it careful consideratiln and honestly think how you would react/feel in this situation.
You come across a ad in the local paper saying they are having a basketball tournament, and that even though it will be competative they will place you with other players of your skill level. So you say sure I have fun shooting hoops now and then at the gym why not do it...sound fun right. So your 10buck entrance fee or whatever and when it's your turn for a little one on one your opponnent just happens to be some dude who playes or
played at the college level. So he whoops you. But wait that's not all, he whoops you with one hand literally tied behind his back. Then after the game tries to bait out a bad response from you by making condescending remarks disguised as hknest questiong. "Hey man help me understand why you didnt just steal the ball?" "I had one hand tied behind my back why didn't you just drive the hoop?" So in this situation? You would say nothing back, you wouldn't feel cheated...humiliated...egged on to respond poorly? Let take it a step farther to address the last interaction gheed posted. Say in this situation you tell the guy your going to let the community/officials know about the problem. And he says go ahead. And when you do you realize that not only are some people having a great time laughing at your expense and supporting this behavior. But also they taped te game and are going to broadcast your failure on the local news. How would you respond? Would you feel angry? Would you say things that may seem a little off? Honestly think about it? The problem
whith what Gheed is that he is a skilled player, player against less skilled opponents. It doesn't matter that he worker rushes because he is just plain better. He even admits to going back to mine, pulling weak probes, leaving one to scout. He's not just A clicking the opponents base and letting them go. He beats player who expected to play other of the same skill level in a way that humiliates them them the most. How would any of you like to play against MVP or MMA. And We say well they are just gonna mess around and only build marines and tanks so since they are playing silly you should have no problem beating them. It just doesn't work that way. Please think about it. Sorry this was all written on a iphone. There are bound to be mistakes.
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Omg after reading that last part...the suing part. All I could say was daayyyyuuuum. Speechless man, really really insightful.
So far what I have gotten from these blogs is that bronze players want to play the game without actually learning it. And somehow this is fun...? It's sounds as if some of these guys skipped the single player altogether and jumped straight into the abyss. Even decent players fear the ladder. What the hell.
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Fantastic read again :D , had a lot of fun.
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The high college basketball player surely knows, that he is gonna win even with one arm bound on his back. Losing to a more skilled player should never be a problem, instead those bronze players are just angry that they fail to a worker rush, no matter how skilled the opponent is. why is that? maybe because they want to be competitive and are disappointed by themselfs? If so, they shouldnt blame the opponent for their lack of skill. The person, who just wants some fun playing the game has no reason to be pissed of, because worker rushes are rare (happens maybe once a hundred games, at least for me). it doesnt take much time of him and in the end, it will regulate itself. if for some reason a high number of bronze games happen to be worker rushes, the players even in bronze will find a way to deal with it.
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you know, i was bronze once, and i couldn't have been that bad once. but your blog seems to prove otherwise.
5/5
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A platinum player isn't even close to the equivalent of a college basketball player. It's more like some junior varsity high school scrub.
Also, there is no skill in boxing your workers and a clicking. Me worker rushing and Naniwa worker rushing are the same thing.
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dzogchengrey: Let's also include the fact that the game in your scenario takes at most five min. And the fact that both me and my opponent are anonymous. And that I can chose for myself exactly how many games I want to play that day, and any other day of the week, depending solely on how much time I have on my hands. And also the opponent is only doing straight bounces with the ball in an easily readable pattern. In that case If I lost I'd acknowledge the fact that it was due to me being bad, and even though I'd think he was kind of a douche I would just go on to the next game. After asking him for some tips, since he was clearly better than me. If it annoyed me I would check if the rules allowed smurfing, and if they didn't I'd go and report him. I would not, however, start screaming like an imbecile. Because at the end of the day the only thing he did was waste five minutes of my day.
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On February 06 2012 22:15 gitarrojoe wrote:
The high college basketball player surely knows, that he is gonna win even with one arm bound on his back. Losing to a more skilled player should never be a problem, instead those bronze players are just angry that they fail to a worker rush, no matter how skilled the opponent is. why is that? maybe because they want to be competitive and are disappointed by themselfs? If so, they shouldnt blame the opponent for their lack of skill. The person, who just wants some fun playing the game has no reason to be pissed of, because worker rushes are rare (happens maybe once a hundred games, at least for me). it doesnt take much time of him and in the end, it will regulate itself. if for some reason a high number of bronze games happen to be worker rushes, the players even in bronze will find a way to deal with it.
Some people are not masters of patience and venting against someone who just embarassed you is a way to get over it.
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I like reading this because it makes me feel good about myself.
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There's a difference between bad and fucking comatose. Losing to worker rushes is the absolute bottom. Go take your "no fun allowed" picket signs somewhere else.
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Funny and accurate ....
Love how you highlight how illogic it can be that people who just want to "have fun", played more than 500 games, stayed in bronze all that time, and still manage to show more rage than many competitive players (whom the game should matter much more to).
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this seems kinda harsh on the guys who just got the game, Take a step back and see what you're doing to these poor innocent souls. Also I completely agree with the basketball dude, I just can't be bothered making a metaphor similar.
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Gheed.
I do not make a lot of money. And I live a pretty tame life. And I spend a lot of time bouncing between frozen backwaters no right-thinking man would ever intentionally visit. But if you EVER find yourself in Saskatchewan or Alberta, you let me know, yeah? Because on this day, on this hour, at this moment, I swear to every deity man has ever believed in: we will a-move our way through the finest beer and whisky Canada has to offer, until I realize I'm spending way too much money, at which point we will load up in a command center and fly to an island expansion with much cheaper alcohol. And I can probably round up a bunch of hippie chicks if you want.
Just sayin'. Keep up the good work, and good luck tanking your MMR.
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You've done well for yourself, Gheed. Great read, as always.
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I can kinda see both sides of this. I lost to a worker rush early on when I was learning SC2, but when it happened once I realized it must be beatable or everyone would do it. At some point you are simply without excuse. to play a strategy game you must have some sense of, you know, strategy.
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One thing I don't understand is this: people complaining about Gheed blogging most likely watch Animals Do The Funniest Things or whichever shitty TV show made of people failing at basic tasks is broadcasted in your area. It's likely on national fucking TV, you know.
Man up every once in a while. Don't be such a sore loser.
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Sorry bro I dont really watch much TV, most of my spare time from work goes into SC or hanging with friends/gf.
People getting humiliated on TV because they are PAID to; the bronzes being humiliated in this blog are PAYING to.
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I'll loose to a worker rush any day if you pay me for it :D
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ahah me too of course lol but you know what i mean.
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How are u ever going to manage to loose 100 games without just auto quitting them
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On February 07 2012 01:34 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Sorry bro I dont really watch much TV, most of my spare time from work goes into SC or hanging with friends/gf.
People getting humiliated on TV because they are PAID to; the bronzes being humiliated in this blog are PAYING to.
the only thing i learnt from this post is
gf
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I think Gheed makes a important point... there are Bronzies, and then there are perma-Bronzies. The perma-Bronzies, for some reason, cannot get out of Bronze. I mean, it's not THAT hard to improve in SC2.
If you put in even a couple hours and learn one BO decently well, you can easily win against most Silver or lower opponents, as long as you don't get cheesed or terribly, terribly blind countered. For example, to help some of my lower-league friends practice, I go mass stalkers. They can produce the counter unit, but unless their macro is good enough, they'll still get roflstomped.
Obviously, the perma-Bronzies have no desire to put forth even the tiny amount of effort to improve. It's their fault. After venturing outside the carefully pruned TL forum, I saw a lot of trash on the internet which revealed a little bit of how dumb people can really be.
On the other hand, a Bronzie (a newb with a sincere desire to improve) would take getting worker rushed as a lesson. He'd google "how to defend worker rush" an get his solution: A move his own workers. Heck, he might even end up here and become a contributing member on TL.
The learning curve for SC2 is NOT THAT HIGH. If you suck, it's most likely because you suck and don't want to get better. That or you have some physical or mental handicap. I suppose the perma-Bronzies must exist for me to be where I'm ranked though. :D
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It just baffles me that anyone can lose to a worker rush more than once (or lose when you're in silver or higher). Having trouble holding a 6-pool, yeah I can understand that, but failing to beat a worker rush on the second attempt? Just doesn't make sense.
I think the main point that can be taken away from this... research, is the main thing that is holding back a lot of bronze level players is not APM, game knowledge or stuff like that, its that there's a mindset that's holding a lot of people back form improving. They just seem to have this steadfast refusal to question the game and improve, anyone who thinks that a worker rush is OP or one race or another has a serious advantage in it has some serious learning issues.
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edit: wrong thread.
anyway, I don't think his blog is a big crime. I can see why some folks are mad, but it's not that big a deal in my mind.
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It was funny til the last long chat, where you came off as a normal bad internet loser trying to be funny.
I preferred the naive scientist vibe of the first 95% of the post.
Once you started getting your panties in a knot at some guy who said you're being mean, you stopped being funny. Sorry, man. Good luck with this weird masturbation session.
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had this happen to me... -.-
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Concerning the OP's desire to hit the bottom of bronze....
"Turtle Terran" is NOT a good option. There are a number of terrans who prefer this strategy. I encountered some in October 2010 when I started playing and several more when I played my bronze-level brother's account a few months ago. Here is how the strategy works for non-trolls:
* Construct a 2 base impenetrable fortress. This includes siege tanks, bunkers, layered wall, and tons of missile turrets.
* Hope your opponent is bad enough to attack your defensive advantage. Zerg units fare the worst.
* Construct your choice of mass vikings, banshees, ghosts, and ravens. Feel free to mix and match.
* Hope your opponent is bad enough to only expand once or twice instead of five or six times.
* Slowly harass your opponent to death.
* Creep to additional bases.
* Hope your opponent is bad enough to sit on an army composition long enough for you to scout it and hard counter it.
As you can see, the strategy's success relies on poor macro, slow play, and making terrible mistakes. I watched my little brother lose to this (a painful hour-long game) and attribute his opponent's success to his poor level of play.
Still, knowing how to beat a turtle terran is infinitely more complicated than "a-move". One needs to actively deny expansions, take a bunch of their own, and scout incoming harassment. This is simply too much to ask from most bronze players.
With this in mind I've concluded that you need to fight fire with fire: do not play with a strategy. No plans are allowed. You have lots of good examples - expand and never build workers, never scout, build minimal static defense, build one unit producing structure and queue, never use spellcasters, never upgrade, and let your opponent scout your harassments while delaying their attacks.
You could also turtle, alt-tab, and come back 20 minutes later.
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I find this blog funny, but at the same time feel sad inside for bronze leaguers. People on this site are dedicated fans, so they obviously know strategies and stuff. Bronze leaguers don't. Some are indeed idiots, but people who go buy the game for the first time with no experience because they heard its good are likely in bronze. People who casually play once a month for fun are usually in bronze. People who are very young (6-10 years old) are likely bronze. Imagine your first game/first time playing in a while, you play a guy who workers rushes you and you lose. Then it happens again. That would be incredibly discouraging and would say something about the state of the people who play the game. 20% of players are in bronze, so according to SC2 ranks total players global, there are about 700,000 players that should be in bronze.
I don't have a problem with the blog, its funny to see rage stories from bronze leaguers, bu but to see it spotlighted is a little discouraging for me. Team liquid should not be endorsing such behavior at all if they want to expand the community. If we want to expand as a professional sport, this isn't the right kind of attitude we should have. Gheed is funny, but his last blog post made me think he's doing this for the attention and lols now rather than the experiment. Telling you opponent what you should do is obviously gonna make them mad. For people who say they don't congrats for being able to keep cool but don't be so arrogant to assume just because you can, everyone can/should. It is extremely disrespectful, it any sport to tell your opponent what they should have done. At least to me, it looks like Gheed is inciting the responses, and remember he players many more games than the ones featured, and posts the fish he catches.
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Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
So if i played a racing game against you, and when you don't move your car at the start and just sat at the line, I freak out and back up, get stuck behind something, and then rage at you, call you names and claim the game is broken. Then I quit, when all i had to do is hit one button, the gas (analogy here is a-moving once) to win...
Its NOT because i have a learning impediment, don't understand the goal of the game, or don't know the controls of the game (and, according to several examples shown by the blogger, refuse to learn/fix any of the above), its because i just want to have fun... ?
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On February 07 2012 02:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
I think Gheed makes a important point... there are Bronzies, and then there are perma-Bronzies. The perma-Bronzies, for some reason, cannot get out of Bronze. I mean, it's not THAT hard to improve in SC2.
If you put in even a couple hours and learn one BO decently well, you can easily win against most Silver or lower opponents, as long as you don't get cheesed or terribly, terribly blind countered. For example, to help some of my lower-league friends practice, I go mass stalkers. They can produce the counter unit, but unless their macro is good enough, they'll still get roflstomped.
Obviously, the perma-Bronzies have no desire to put forth even the tiny amount of effort to improve. It's their fault. After venturing outside the carefully pruned TL forum, I saw a lot of trash on the internet which revealed a little bit of how dumb people can really be.
On the other hand, a Bronzie (a newb with a sincere desire to improve) would take getting worker rushed as a lesson. He'd google "how to defend worker rush" an get his solution: A move his own workers. Heck, he might even end up here and become a contributing member on TL.
The learning curve for SC2 is NOT THAT HIGH. If you suck, it's most likely because you suck and don't want to get better. That or you have some physical or mental handicap. I suppose the perma-Bronzies must exist for me to be where I'm ranked though. :D
I think the learning curve for SC2 is exponentially increase as you become better. It is easy to learn the basic at first but become harder and harder to improve when you go up the league.
And if I remember correctly, there is a pro-gamer (or semi-progamer) who has physical handicapped. Yet he still can compete to a certain level. That is something to think about...
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Holy SHIT.
I read all 16 pages of this, and people need to cut this crying about the poor bronzies out.
This blog was great. The people in bronze who lose to worker rushes have only themselves to blame. If you are playing on a competetive ladder, and you don't know basic things like a-move, of COURSE people will make fun of you. I'm sick of these analogies about bullying and shit, because they do/should not relate to StarCraft2 games. If you are intelligent enough to put in your e-mail address and password and log into Battle.net, the a-move command is not beyond your ability to learn. It is their choice to not try to improve. The game has been out for quite some time now.
Yes, there is a learning curve. Yes, it sucks to be the shitty bronze player who loses to a worker rush. No, we don't need heroes to champion the people of bronze league and put a stop to the injustice of smurfing. Gheed isn't Al-Assad killing civilians here.
5/5 for the blog.
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Best blog ever. This literally made my day.
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On February 07 2012 06:13 HackBenjamin wrote:
Holy SHIT.
I read all 16 pages of this, and people need to cut this crying about the poor bronzies out.
This blog was great. The people in bronze who lose to worker rushes have only themselves to blame. If you are playing on a competetive ladder, and you don't know basic things like a-move, of COURSE people will make fun of you. I'm sick of these analogies about bullying and shit, because they do/should not relate to StarCraft2 games. If you are intelligent enough to put in your e-mail address and password and log into Battle.net, the a-move command is not beyond your ability to learn. It is their choice to not try to improve. The game has been out for quite some time now.
Yes, there is a learning curve. Yes, it sucks to be the shitty bronze player who loses to a worker rush. No, we don't need heroes to champion the people of bronze league and put a stop to the injustice of smurfing. Gheed isn't Al-Assad killing civilians here.
5/5 for the blog.
The problem isn't and never was about bronze players losing to a troll player who is smurfing in their league.
It's as if they just want to shit out something, anything, to stain the universe with their taint and prove that they were here, that reality exists and they were a part of it.
WoW is feel-good everybody-wins garbage; the only redeeming feature it has are 4 of the battlegrounds and the unlimited potential for trolling people who, by just playing the game, have admitted they are at least partially stupid.
Why is there such continued stagnation? Do they not tire of their own shittiness and desire to become better?
I worker rushed him, he ran away from his base like an idiot
It goes on, but the point is that the problem with the blog isn't that he's trolling bronze players, which he clearly is, its that he's being a giant twat about his superiority.
How is this any different than MVP trolling around in diamond and then making a post about how stupid and shitty diamond players are? Why do diamond players not improve beyond diamond, why don't they take a moment to learn what makes them bad, so they can be masters, grandmasters?
No, truthfully, the OP wants an excuse to troll, that's it. He disguises it by being curious, intrigued, fascinated, but at the end of the day, he loves it when he makes someone with less skill so angry that they accuse him of cheating. He relishes it when they just leave at his nonsense. He even messages them afterward asking, more politely and less to the point, "How could you be so stupid?"
Honestly? If he worker rushed me? I'd probably fucking leave too. Especially when he's Terran. Best case scenario? You win the worker rush with a couple probes/scvs/drones remaining and have to tech all the way up from 3 SCVs to something that flies because he's a giant douche that flies the CC to the corner of the map.
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I'm laughing my ass of at work right now, that was the funniest thing I have ever read
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Holy Crap that last one from Benzilla had me laughing for a good minute.
You win the internet.
But speaking for the bronzies, you underestimate the impact of panic. Panic can do weird things to people, that is probably the root cause of all this not to mention they probably don't know what A-move means.
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On February 07 2012 06:56 Felnarion wrote:
It goes on, but the point is that the problem with the blog isn't that he's trolling bronze players, which he clearly is, its that he's being a giant twat about his superiority.
How is this any different than MVP trolling around in diamond and then making a post about how stupid and shitty diamond players are? Why do diamond players not improve beyond diamond, why don't they take a moment to learn what makes them bad, so they can be masters, grandmasters?
No, truthfully, the OP wants an excuse to troll, that's it. He disguises it by being curious, intrigued, fascinated, but at the end of the day, he loves it when he makes someone with less skill so angry that they accuse him of cheating. He relishes it when they just leave at his nonsense. He even messages them afterward asking, more politely and less to the point, "How could you be so stupid?"
Oh I get it, you got that ESPN thing where you can read minds you know what is inside the OP's heart of hearts, right?
You are taking this comedic blog post way too seriously.
Again, the basic skills needed to play this game are provided via the tutorial. Let's use an analogy, cause it's the popular thing to do in this thread.
An idiot is starting his first day of work. His job will be using a machine that cuts things with a blade. He has never used this machine before. But no problem. His boss says "there's the machine, there's the manual, figure it out and get to work." The idiot decides to skip the manual, thinking he can just fuck with it until he figures it out, starts up the machine, and cuts off his own arm.
In the really real world, obviously the boss would be to blame, but let's just look at this philisophically for a second. Who is really at fault here? The idiot was given everything he needed to do what was asked of him, and he chose not to read the book. I'm going to blame the idiot.
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I want to add something to this discussion. He is getting insulted by the players and then decides to troll them for being ingorant, stupid pricks adn you still defend those bronzies. it wouldnt be hard for the opponents to take a comment like"you couldve won, just a move", the reason why it is, is because there is a big number of people in lower leagues who are bad mannerd, just complaining about imbalance and so on. so the people who want to improve, maybe just bought the game, still lose to gheed worker rushing. they get mad themselfs because people always feel offended by their oponnents playstyle. its ridiculous to limit this game down to some specific match up scenario because its the most effective. Worker rushing is an option that is fun and thats what games are about. you dont have to give in to some narrow minded people.
btw. i think this thread is for fun also!
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A few moments in this are just priceless I was LMAO at a few parts.
Very interesting, thanks Gheed =D
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Holy christ, amazing. This puts things into perspective. Sometimes zergs will call me "unbelievably bad" after I beat them with 2 base timing pushes in high masters. This whole series though... good god they are the truly unbelievably terrible players.
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On February 07 2012 06:56 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 06:13 HackBenjamin wrote:
Holy SHIT.
I read all 16 pages of this, and people need to cut this crying about the poor bronzies out.
This blog was great. The people in bronze who lose to worker rushes have only themselves to blame. If you are playing on a competetive ladder, and you don't know basic things like a-move, of COURSE people will make fun of you. I'm sick of these analogies about bullying and shit, because they do/should not relate to StarCraft2 games. If you are intelligent enough to put in your e-mail address and password and log into Battle.net, the a-move command is not beyond your ability to learn. It is their choice to not try to improve. The game has been out for quite some time now.
Yes, there is a learning curve. Yes, it sucks to be the shitty bronze player who loses to a worker rush. No, we don't need heroes to champion the people of bronze league and put a stop to the injustice of smurfing. Gheed isn't Al-Assad killing civilians here.
5/5 for the blog. The problem isn't and never was about bronze players losing to a troll player who is smurfing in their league. Show nested quote +It's as if they just want to shit out something, anything, to stain the universe with their taint and prove that they were here, that reality exists and they were a part of it. Show nested quote +WoW is feel-good everybody-wins garbage; the only redeeming feature it has are 4 of the battlegrounds and the unlimited potential for trolling people who, by just playing the game, have admitted they are at least partially stupid. Show nested quote +Why is there such continued stagnation? Do they not tire of their own shittiness and desire to become better? It goes on, but the point is that the problem with the blog isn't that he's trolling bronze players, which he clearly is, its that he's being a giant twat about his superiority. How is this any different than MVP trolling around in diamond and then making a post about how stupid and shitty diamond players are? Why do diamond players not improve beyond diamond, why don't they take a moment to learn what makes them bad, so they can be masters, grandmasters? No, truthfully, the OP wants an excuse to troll, that's it. He disguises it by being curious, intrigued, fascinated, but at the end of the day, he loves it when he makes someone with less skill so angry that they accuse him of cheating. He relishes it when they just leave at his nonsense. He even messages them afterward asking, more politely and less to the point, "How could you be so stupid?" Honestly? If he worker rushed me? I'd probably fucking leave too. Especially when he's Terran. Best case scenario? You win the worker rush with a couple probes/scvs/drones remaining and have to tech all the way up from 3 SCVs to something that flies because he's a giant douche that flies the CC to the corner of the map.
This blog was written for entertainment. If you take anything in it very seriously, you are entirely missing the point.
Honestly, its not likely he is literally studying bronze players, or actually finds anything about the league truly enigmatic. Its satire. Damn good satire. Just read it and be happy.
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On ICCUP, the D- player still usually knew basic builds used by pro players. Bronze in SC2 is like ICCUP Z minus minus minus minus if it existed.
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I is really impressive!!! People losing to a worker rush and saying that you are a noob lol... This blog is just amazing!!!!!!
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haha this is great insight!
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I would be very curious to know if I was one of your worker rush victims. I did in fact resign on seeing the rush incoming, because I suddenly realized I had no idea of what to do, nor any chance of figuring it out on the spot. I had never been worker rushed before, and just decided to go look it up before playing again. Hope I didn't BM you too bad.
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Some of this stuff blows your mind. haha.
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Nice read. I started playing again recently, starting in bronze, and was always wondering how people could have played over a thousand games and are still stuck in bronze (europe). I also can't figure out how they even can have fun. But maybe they don't have fun and that's why they are to badmannered when loosing.
Much respect for your "work" here. I myself have not been workerrushed so far.
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So you're ridiculing individual casual players for their skill publicly.
The bm doesnt count here btw, if you harcore cheese people, you will provoke rage in any league.
Good job in trying to transform the community into a bunch of elitist pricks.
Believe it or not, but the game is designed so that people can have fun at any skilllevel, even bronze.
Taking a public shit on casuals/beginners/people who just fool around with the game because you're frustrated with your own skill development is pretty low imo.
Also it is not obvious at all how to defend a worker rush if you never think about it.
I.e. do probes really win a-moving vs drones? After all they are much weaker. Its not exactly intuitive.
I think I only faced one workerrush back in beta, lost, and the guy was pretty nice, told me not to worry and explained it. If I had met someone like you I'd probably have stopped playing back then. I don't feel well in company of people who are so desperate that they need to act insecure about a computer game to boost their egos. Good thing the SC community is usually better than that.
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On February 07 2012 17:28 RaiKageRyu wrote:
Some of this stuff blows your mind. haha.
My head started hurting halfway through so I stopped reading.
I think someone in this thread (I skipped it through fast) claimed the OP is trying to ridicule the example players taken from bronze league. That clearly isn't the case. The OP is simply pondering why the bronze league players don't even try to become better at SC2. And if they aren't having fun losing games then why are they even playing Starcraft 2?
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On February 07 2012 12:09 mothergoose729 wrote:
This blog was written for entertainment. If you take anything in it very seriously, you are entirely missing the point.
Honestly, its not likely he is literally studying bronze players, or actually finds anything about the league truly enigmatic. Its satire. Damn good satire. Just read it and be happy.
Still strolling around in this thread while my mind wanders. This comment was the most relevant to my interests.
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the most interesting game I've had involving worker rush was when I was 6pooling against worker rush. While waiting for the pool to end was a bullet proof way of winning I decided to take my chances in a micro war 6vs6 + 1 worker coming on both sides. Well I started losing and had to flee having 4 drones vs 5. What followed was very micro intensive 3 minutes where I tried to get minerals for lings and he tried to deny me while trying to kill workers or biting hatch when possible. Microing often occured in 2 places at the same time so it was probably also the most apm intensive game of sc2 I've had. Even more funny is that the game was between 2 masters but in customs.
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the only thing funnier than this blog is the replies to it
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This is amazing lol. Every part of this is epic. I guess the only way to lose is to try to win by not ever building a worker. Also not attacking within the first 8-10 minutes of the game.
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Man this is so good. Thanks Gheed. Looking forward to your future posts
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On February 06 2012 00:24 Bruky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 23:38 Bojas wrote:
It's not that he's bullying. He's using a bad strategy and kind of abusing the lack of basic sc2 knowledge of his opponents. It's just 3 minutes of their time. I can't imagine Gheed BMing someone who was friendly. Knowledge is more like a power in starcraft so in a sense he is more powerful than his opponents if they don't know how to a move. So he is abusing weaker players. It can be just 3 minutes of their time or maybe it's much more. If somebody gets harvester rushed three times in a row i can see him being even for some time after a game or you can ruin his game so much he wont play anymore. I don't think it's a good thing, do you? And of course he won't BM someone who is friendly, but he is purposely trying to make them angry so he can post their rage on his blog. And it's not like he is trying to help them. He could just write them and say "Hey, I'm sorry for doing this strategy. But it is easy to hold. You just box all your workers click A or attack icon and click behind enemy workers and that way they start attacking and you should have much more units." How can you say it's not bullying? Btw usually bullying starts as a fun for people watching it.
You lose because your opponent a moves his workers on yours. K, gg. You type how to beat worker rush in google. You'll probably find the solution as the first option.
Done. Next time you get matched up with this guy you won't lose, in fact you get a free win, maybe not if it's the 12 drone cheese, but he's not doing that.
I haven't seen Mr. Gheed BM people who don't BM him, so following the bullying logic it would be that you yell at someone who beats you at a game and when he writes some witty response you get angry. Is that bullying?
Btw usually bullying starts as a fun for people watching it.
If they are able to notice they are getting made fun of that means they've got acces to this site, and they won't lose to a worker rush again. There's 2 solutions for not getting made fun of, don't BM in the first place or kill his worker rush and LOL at the silly opponent.
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This failure, or refusal, to recognize their own faults instead of trying to learn from them is why they get stuck in bronze in the first place.
Also, the fact that a lot of them are like 10 years old.
Oh, and
Some of them sit there, watch their shit die, and then have the audacity to question why I would do such a thing. Is that not a question that answers itself? I wouldn't be doing this if people didn't allow it to work!
Think about it from this perspective. Say you only have the time to player 3-4 games per month. You have a full time job, a family, a social life, etc., all of which - for some inexplicable reason - are more important than SC for you. Finally, after weeks, you realise you have an hour free to play some games. Cool. You prepare yourself for some epic game and queue on the ladder. Two minutes later you find out that you won'ot be having an epic game. There'll be no dramatic battles and no great challenge. Instead, a worker rush. Sure, with some of them it's audacity - but with others it's just the honest desire to figure out why anyone would do a worker rush when they can opt for something more interesting instead.
I'm masters but I often feel the same when I get 6pooled three times in a roll by three different zerg players. It's not about winning or losing (I manage to stop a 6pool more often than not). However, everyone assumes that as long as I get the win, I'll be happy. The thing is that I'm not. I don't care about dropping to diamond or climbing up to GM. I won't become a professional gamer. All I want is to play some challenging games in the limited time I have, which usually doesn't happen.
5/5 for the blog though, it was lots of fun again.
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I just wanna add one thought: When I started playing rts games with some of my friends, we all played broodwar and we SUCKED. like 20 minute no rush bgh scout only into spore walls, that's how we sucked. but we had lots of fun and even though we knew that we were basically playing like retards, we didn't want to change it. (note: we only played against each other, we didn't even know that e-sports existed...)
but then one of us discovered bnet and iccup, and he got kinda good in about 6 months of hardcore play. (c/c- on iccup) When we played against each other again, he bashed us with ease. Some of us have never played bw since then, because they lost all their motivation. Two of us (including myself) were amazed by his level of play and wanted to get good as well. I reached C, the other guy made it to D+, which is also kinda ok, because we started playing online in 2008.
my point is: I totally agree with the guy who talked about "bronzies" and "perma-bronzies". bronzies either stop playing when they're realizing that they have to put some effort in it to get better, or they start to crawl deeper into the game. perma-bronzies play THEIR game of starcraft and they don't even want to hear what others say. I know a guy, who is absolutely sure that his own strats are better than everyone else's, and if he's losing a game, he's always blaming it on imbalance or other retarded stuff.
those perma-bronzies can surely have their fun with their 1base battecruiser pushes after 25 minutes, but I think that it's absolutely legit to poke them a little bit by exposing their cute little parallel universe to others. I don't like laughing about perma-bronzies, but I really like seeing their weird way of playing the game.
note: perma-bronzies are NOT noobs. I have met guys with hundreds of games, who played like a monkey on ritalin.
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Highly entertaining read. If this is ongoing, keep it up! Hilarious.
But if not, would've liked to see a more definitive ending to cap off your experiences at the bottom...
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I have to agree with GeNeSiDe, Bruky, Inori and others. Laughing at players with obviously much less skill, let alone with learning disabilities or low IQs, is not fun. It's not fun, not cool. It'd be more gosu to pick a bronzie or actually a "perma-bronzie" (the 1000 wins kind) and get him to silver or gold despite his limitations... that would show skill. Also, how about using that witty writing style, along with a skill with highlights and pictures, to write a Stuck Platinum Player's Guide out of Bronze? You could still have tongue-in-cheek fun, along with surveying all the cheese there is, along with all the depths of unskill, as well as the actual reasons people can't or won't get better. Those can actually be complex and may very well cross into some real psychology or logic.
Speaking of logic, some of those dudes may likely not lose to worker rush the second or third time they see it. I suspect you may be having this kind of subconscious impression as if you were playing against the same player all time (sort of playing against the platonic idea of a permanent bronze player). But that's not so, you're just playing against the same MMR all the time (approximately). Also, last time I lost to a worker rush, I was a final year Ph.D. student. Not the brightest of the bunch but certainly not the stereotypical case of retardation, is it. I'm pretty sure I didn't congratulate that guy or even say gg or ask how to counter it. I probably called him a noob or wished him luck getting to masters with that or, likely, just quit on seeing his workers and moved on to the next time without wasting my time. That you actually had 1 more worker than a worker rusher and could simply win by a-moving your own in time in some cases did not occur to me until somebody wrote it in this thread. On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. I think some dancing is more likely to ensue and I'd definitely not feel like giving somebody the pleasure of that and I might just spoil his fun by quitting and taking that ladder loss.
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On February 04 2012 16:10 Mr. Nefarious wrote:
Your writing style reminds me of Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace
How dare you. Nothing compares!
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On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote: On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any.
You are wrong. A-move really is enough, no matter what micro the worker-rusher does (assuming it's the type of rush Gheed is doing, not the "double extractor-trick 12 drone rush on Steppes" worker rush).
I think some dancing is more likely to ensue and I'd definitely not feel like giving somebody the pleasure of that and I might just spoil his fun by quitting and taking that ladder loss.
How dare someone use a tactic in a competitive game!
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"It has to be false to be slanderous
and it is not false that you are a dipshit"
God that's so funny.
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I don't know the premise of this but you must lead a rather tragic life if non-stop cheesing and trolling bronze players is all your capable of. Yes people over react but at the same time people like yourself are such a waste of time for people who want to improve. No doubt you're the kind of guy i see at 3am insta leaving games to get down to bronze where your win rate might then scrape past 20%.
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Wow a few people in here must be perma bronzies or be the subjects of the blog itself, it was a very amusing read, no harm was done in the making of this blog, chillax. Good stuff.
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On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote:
I have to agree with GeNeSiDe, Bruky, Inori and others. Laughing at players with obviously much less skill, let alone with learning disabilities or low IQs, is not fun. It's not fun, not cool. It'd be more gosu to pick a bronzie or actually a "perma-bronzie" (the 1000 wins kind) and get him to silver or gold despite his limitations... that would show skill. Also, how about using that witty writing style, along with a skill with highlights and pictures, to write a Stuck Platinum Player's Guide out of Bronze? You could still have tongue-in-cheek fun, along with surveying all the cheese there is, along with all the depths of unskill, as well as the actual reasons people can't or won't get better. Those can actually be complex and may very well cross into some real psychology or logic.
Speaking of logic, some of those dudes may likely not lose to worker rush the second or third time they see it. I suspect you may be having this kind of subconscious impression as if you were playing against the same player all time (sort of playing against the platonic idea of a permanent bronze player). But that's not so, you're just playing against the same MMR all the time (approximately). Also, last time I lost to a worker rush, I was a final year Ph.D. student. Not the brightest of the bunch but certainly not the stereotypical case of retardation, is it. I'm pretty sure I didn't congratulate that guy or even say gg or ask how to counter it. I probably called him a noob or wished him luck getting to masters with that or, likely, just quit on seeing his workers and moved on to the next time without wasting my time. That you actually had 1 more worker than a worker rusher and could simply win by a-moving your own in time in some cases did not occur to me until somebody wrote it in this thread. On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. I think some dancing is more likely to ensue and I'd definitely not feel like giving somebody the pleasure of that and I might just spoil his fun by quitting and taking that ladder loss.
PROTIP: He's a troll, and a good one at that. A two hundred word treatise on the imaginary ethics and morals of worker rushing is only going to be laughed at by everyone who can take a joke, ignored, or held aloft by perma-bronzies as the reason they can hate on this fine, fine man.
Great read as always Sir Gheed. Your wit knows no end. May internet lawyers always find their way into your ladder games.
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What the people complaining about poking fun at the bronze players seem to miss, is that we are not making fun at how they lose to the worst strategy in the book, we are making fun of the way they absurdly blaim it on imbalance and try to explain how it somehow isn't they fault.
We are making fun of the way they harass Gheed, calling him an exploiter and complaining that they abuse him, when he is using the worst streategy in the game.
Instead of asking him for advice, or trying to do better, they insult him, the way they handle their problems is what we laugh at.
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Those bronze players and their grossly erroneous, arrogant, often slanderous views and behaviors are an easy target for disdain.
Think about that guy who proxied 3 barracks with ~8 workers and then made 2 refineries in order to mine gas with 6 workers. That's pretty terrible, isn't it ? Then the guy flames you and what's really sad, is that the guy actually believes that he didn't lose because of his actions vs your actions but because of something else.
It was completely sensless to proxy 2 additional barracks. Same goes for mining gas. The guy seems completely and utterly unaware of this. Not to mention properly responding to worker rush at the beginning.
Explantation ?
1) If you don't know the tech tree, if you don't know how much minerals a number of scvs can mine per minute, then you can make mistakes like that.
2) The issue is how is it possible that after >100 (or even 500 in some cases) games, these fundamentals remain foregin to you. So how is it possible ?
I think their behaviour and the ego behind it has to do with this. The ego always drives towards the high, the lofty, the mighty, the ambitious. The ego doesn't like to concern itself with petty things like grasping the fundamentals. Fundamentals are for dumb people who need to waste a lot of time on them. Bright people don't even need to look at fundamentals.
As a result, they try to get better by doing the important things, they play and play and play but they ignore the fundamentals. Then someone comes and does a worker rush - and while doing so, exposes the frail, dishonest nature of their learning.
This is why they behave like that. Their ego tells them to expect to be able to deal with such "newbie stuff", like for example a worker rush, with great ease. More over, they don't even expect to have to deal with such stuff, after all, who other than idiots would do that. So when their expectations meet with reality, they don't really have anything to fall back on.
They get owned because they don't even know the very fundamentals of the game - and because of that, they don't really know how to deal with a simple worker rush. However, they think they do. They learn important stuff. They play. They practice. So it's only normal that they get frustrated when they lose to something that perceive as trivial and therefore, lame.
"Here I'm, playing, practicing, honing my skills and I can't deal with a stupid worker rush ? ... This is shameful, this is disgraceful, ridicilous and unfair". - This is more or less what fuels their frustration and anger.
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I don't think they deserve disdain, though.
I mean, the fuel of their dysfunction and incompetence is their lack of compassion, understanding and humility in relation to their ego. In their, often guilt-ridden, ambition of their ego, they are harshly dishonest to themselves - without knowing it. They demand from themselves and they treat themselves badly. Once you are out there, it's hard to get out because, well, usually it's not like others want you to get out, more often than not others actually want you to be like that - and it's not like people treat this stuff with understanding either.
The fact of the matter is that while such people act and behave like idiots, they are not idiots - they are simply stucked, trapped in their fears, guilt and following self-dishonesty.
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On February 08 2012 11:31 Obscura.304 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote: On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. You are wrong. A-move really is enough, no matter what micro the worker-rusher does (assuming it's the type of rush Gheed is doing, not the "double extractor-trick 12 drone rush on Steppes" worker rush).
Some guys split the workers and/or dance around. This is actually similar to how some guys played Warcraft 3, especially with the early hero harass. They would literally run if you chased, chase if you ran, throughout the entire map if necessary, never engaging properly and never disengaging. I'm not saying the guy with 7 workers against 8 defenders can necessary win with proper micro (maybe with proper reliance on regen or repair) but he could prolong it endlessly, running away and coming back if you return to mining, then running away and coming back etc. While I respect the fact that you probably know much more about the game than I do (I'm a gold player), I don't think a-move would protect you from a worker-rusher who's splitting and hit-and-running.
Show nested quote +I think some dancing is more likely to ensue and I'd definitely not feel like giving somebody the pleasure of that and I might just spoil his fun by quitting and taking that ladder loss. How dare someone use a tactic in a competitive game!
You are ready to defend a worker rusher's right to engage in a tactic that may be disagreeable to me because it doesn't fit with how I'd like to play the game. Please be consequent and recognise my right to move on to the next game instead of staying to continue playing it the way he wants.
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On February 09 2012 01:29 NewbieOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:31 Obscura.304 wrote:On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote: On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. You are wrong. A-move really is enough, no matter what micro the worker-rusher does (assuming it's the type of rush Gheed is doing, not the "double extractor-trick 12 drone rush on Steppes" worker rush). Some guys split the workers and/or dance around. This is actually similar to how some guys played Warcraft 3, especially with the early hero harass. They would literally run if you chased, chase if you ran, throughout the entire map if necessary, never engaging properly and never disengaging. I'm not saying the guy with 7 workers against 8 defenders can necessary win with proper micro (maybe with proper reliance on regen or repair) but he could prolong it endlessly, running away and coming back if you return to mining, then running away and coming back etc. While I respect the fact that you probably know much more about the game than I do (I'm a gold player), I don't think a-move would protect you from a worker-rusher who's splitting and hit-and-running.
Splitting your workers is literally the worst thing you can do in a worker rush, since instead of being on the wrong end of an 8-on-7, you'll find yourself on the wrong end of an 8-on-3. Dancing around won't work because he's not mining minerals at all, because he's freaking worker rushing!, so even if he does the "engage, run when you engage, come back when you start mining" tricks, he's still going to lose because you're mining and he's not. It's not like a 6-pool or a proxy 2-gate where you can disrupt someone's mining time with your non-mining units.
Seriously, why is this so hard to understand? Just. A-move. Him.
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On February 09 2012 01:29 NewbieOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 11:31 Obscura.304 wrote:On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote: On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. You are wrong. A-move really is enough, no matter what micro the worker-rusher does (assuming it's the type of rush Gheed is doing, not the "double extractor-trick 12 drone rush on Steppes" worker rush). Some guys split the workers and/or dance around. This is actually similar to how some guys played Warcraft 3, especially with the early hero harass. They would literally run if you chased, chase if you ran, throughout the entire map if necessary, never engaging properly and never disengaging. I'm not saying the guy with 7 workers against 8 defenders can necessary win with proper micro (maybe with proper reliance on regen or repair) but he could prolong it endlessly, running away and coming back if you return to mining, then running away and coming back etc. While I respect the fact that you probably know much more about the game than I do (I'm a gold player), I don't think a-move would protect you from a worker-rusher who's splitting and hit-and-running.
Moving your workers in any way is bad because you end up taking an extra hit every time you do it whereas the attack move worker keeps attacking, and if you just run they can go back to mining and you get even further behind. Microing workers in this situation in SC:BW and Warcraft 3 was essential because the worker AI (in BW in particular) was as dumb as a bag of spanners, SC2 workers are much smoother with their movement paths and don't get stuck nearly as much.
On February 09 2012 01:29 NewbieOne wrote:Show nested quote +I think some dancing is more likely to ensue and I'd definitely not feel like giving somebody the pleasure of that and I might just spoil his fun by quitting and taking that ladder loss. How dare someone use a tactic in a competitive game! You are ready to defend a worker rusher's right to engage in a tactic that may be disagreeable to me because it doesn't fit with how I'd like to play the game. Please be consequent and recognise my right to move on to the next game instead of staying to continue playing it the way he wants.
What, you'd not like to take the 15 or so seconds needed to crush the worker rush and take the easiest win the game can give you (aside from someone leaving at the start)? Fair do I guess but I can't see the sense in that.
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Just read the whole thing and the extra pictures and it was a DELIGHT lol. Great stuff.
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On February 07 2012 06:56 Felnarion wrote:
How is this any different than MVP trolling around in diamond and then making a post about how stupid and shitty diamond players are? Why do diamond players not improve beyond diamond, why don't they take a moment to learn what makes them bad, so they can be masters, grandmasters?
Dude, that would be so awesome. If he wrote anywhere near as good as Gheed it would simply be amazing to read.
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On February 06 2012 14:19 dzogchengrey wrote:
Wow, I usually just lurk but I just have to speak up here. I really lost a lot of respect for the community after reading this. Especially after seeing it spotlighted. I think what anyone who finds this entertaining needs to understand is... some people really just want to play for fun. I think some people have lost sight of this fact, as well as the fact that many people have a very very very low understanding of this game compared to all of you. And for them this is simply another game to play. They don't sit online in forums, watch replays, research build orders, hotkeys, unit counters, whatever. This does not mean that they are stupid, or lazy, or slow.
If that was true, then they wouldn't get upset after losing to a worker rush. If it's just a fun game that they enjoy playing, they wouldn't get upset; they get upset because they want to win. (I'm actually in the fun-game category myself: Sure, I read forums and learn build orders and all that stuff, but I don't play to win to win, I play to win to have fun, and I have fun even when I lose, whether I lost to cheese or not. I find it interesting when I lose)
On February 09 2012 03:27 Darkong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 01:29 NewbieOne wrote:On February 08 2012 11:31 Obscura.304 wrote:On February 08 2012 10:50 NewbieOne wrote: On the other hand, against a dedicated worker rusher you probably can't just a-move if he microes any. You are wrong. A-move really is enough, no matter what micro the worker-rusher does (assuming it's the type of rush Gheed is doing, not the "double extractor-trick 12 drone rush on Steppes" worker rush). Some guys split the workers and/or dance around. This is actually similar to how some guys played Warcraft 3, especially with the early hero harass. They would literally run if you chased, chase if you ran, throughout the entire map if necessary, never engaging properly and never disengaging. I'm not saying the guy with 7 workers against 8 defenders can necessary win with proper micro (maybe with proper reliance on regen or repair) but he could prolong it endlessly, running away and coming back if you return to mining, then running away and coming back etc. While I respect the fact that you probably know much more about the game than I do (I'm a gold player), I don't think a-move would protect you from a worker-rusher who's splitting and hit-and-running. Moving your workers in any way is bad because you end up taking an extra hit every time you do it whereas the attack move worker keeps attacking, and if you just run they can go back to mining and you get even further behind. Microing workers in this situation in SC:BW and Warcraft 3 was essential because the worker AI (in BW in particular) was as dumb as a bag of spanners, SC2 workers are much smoother with their movement paths and don't get stuck nearly as much.
Er, couldn't you A-move and then individually micro away low health workers? Try to set them to mining maybe, or just run away and regen if you're zerg or toss. Also, I figure how you engage matters, like who gets a better surround kind of thing... though I guess when I think of workers fighting I'm actually usually thinking about zergling rush situations with workers involved, and that can have a lot of fun micro to watch
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I don't believe there are actually things like 500 win bronze accounts from players that actually suck. I figure they're all either
(a) smurfs
(b) shared accounts, either between friends, or for businesses that let you play games on an hourly/daily basis (I don't know how popular these are, I've seen one before but never played in one)
or maybe
(c) some really young children who play starcraft all day instead of watching television all day, who can produce enough units to kill the occasional bronzie but who will build two refineries when the gas will be useless (not to say that children are always bad at the game... I guess I should have said anybody with very low gaming experience, and adults with that little experience aren't going to play starcraft. I wonder how many children play starcraft though)
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I really like those blogs. Even if i just leave the game when someone canon rush or drone rush me (because i don't find it interesting and i don't play to have a lot of wins) it's really well written so thats why i like your blog and hope to read some more.
I think it's more annoying to loose to a 6pool than a worker rush i don't know why.
Keep doing this. Not fun for players you play but really cool to read.
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just read all 7 parts and thoroughly enjoyed it mate. think u have a future career in writing or psychology. like your user name as well, spent countless trillions of gold gambling at gheeds back in the day. not a bad gc also
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I must have more of these. Your wit and determination to find underlying meaning amongst the bronze-league chaos is most admirable. Keep it up!
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Awesome blog, I commend your dedication to educating those bronzies.
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LOL, awesome as always!
Have you ever rematched the same guy again........and won (with worker rush ofc)? :D
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so...how much money did you end up loosing in the court case? ^^ that is truly amazing sir, i got a HUGE kick out of reading this.
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Read them all in one sitting. Fucking hilarious stuff, sir!
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last picture is just legendary
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One thing I cannot understand about bronze players is that if you are unable to make the connection that there is no way to lose 9 workers vs 6 workers, how are you not completely incapable of living? I mean it in the most basic sense. If you can't understand that 9 is greater by a significant margin than 6, how have you not walked out on to a highway or drank something toxic? I can't believe that the human mind can understand how to accomplish the basic do's and don'ts of living and not be able to understand how to stop a worker rush.
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hahaha this blog is awesome
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I read the OP, while replacing 'worker-rush' with 'random all-in' and 'bronze league' with 'mid masters'.
It was funny at first, then I felt guilty.
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Lol your such a dick XD
But seriously, hilarious man even though i'm only in silver... one step up from bronze
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Awesome blog haha, especially because I have had similar experiences when dropping to bronze out of boredom. Cracked up at that last conversation.
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This thread made me lol a lot. And "starcraft" has the word "craft" in it to
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Sorry, I accidently quoted.
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Anyone else find this Gheed guy an egomaniac douche bag who derives pleasure from beating down (most likely) children learning to play a game? What a dick.
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This is absolutely brilliant.
/salute
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I don't think it is brilliant or cool at all....respectfully, I think this is just another form of elitism and pretty much just BM. Totally uncalled for...you aren't in bronze league, but people who play in bronze might be bad...so what? They might be trying their hardest and have mental deficiencies...they might play the game for other reasons than you do....to me this is like laughing at the kids that ride the "short bus" or making fun of people who are different because its "cool".
I would be ashamed if I wrote this article....Not trying to be disrespectful, that's just my honest opinion. And furthermore, you likely have too much time on your hands if you spend hours of your time "delving" into the bronze league and screwing with people for kicks. Oh I guess its ok because some dude has played "600 games" and is still in bronze...so now you get decide what is an acceptable numbers of games to be stuck in bronze? Get a life Gheed, I'm sorry, that needs to be said....go back to Masters league or whatever and enjoy the game for what it is.
LOL, won't be reading any more articles from you again ...pretty much elitist opinionated rubbish...respectfully of course. I registered and decided to make my first post here because I was recently in bronze...never played an RTS in my life, honestly just trying to learn the ropes...and here is a dude getting his rocks off by fucking with people....wow, just wow. You want to know what could potentially kill E-sports? Shit like this...
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On February 13 2012 09:07 hillman wrote:
LOL, won't be reading any more articles from you again ....
I'm crushed.
Thanks for the bump, mate.
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On February 13 2012 09:32 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 09:07 hillman wrote:
LOL, won't be reading any more articles from you again .... I'm crushed. Thanks for the bump, mate.
No need to take it personally bro, which is of course why you lash out like that....I guess my opinion is stupid, right Gheed? But then again I guess a small niche article on a niche site that maybe 6,000 people will read is your life...so good for you...bumped again man...just getting you more revenue...oh wait...
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You apparently don't know anything about Gheed's blogs if you think he's MAD about your posts, LOL.
Oh, and if TL is apparently a niche site, then I don't know how 'ESPORTS' could grow then.
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i laughed, i cried, i came.... this was a beautiful read.
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On February 13 2012 09:07 hillman wrote: You want to know what could potentially kill E-sports? Shit like this...
Goddammit, Gheed, you're gonna kill ESPORTS.
5 stars, easy.
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Russian Federation164 Posts
- Do a successful worker rush
- Get rid of kid not being able to 1-A
- (some high-class logic)
---> You hurt E-SPORTS!!! o_O
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On February 04 2012 15:33 Ezkaton wrote:
I love you ♥
That makes two of us ♥
First time reading your blog, but you're just too awesome xDDD
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On February 14 2012 05:22 MistaBlue wrote:
I recall playing Gheed about a week ago on a ladder game...You can check my battle.net profile to verifiy this. Gheed, while obviously a very intelligent and dedicated starcraft 2 player/blogger, was extremely condescending. He decided to go Void Ray and beat my stupid bronze butt because I didn't properly control my queens. After a couple games, I saw him again. This time he decided to go mass photon cannon in one base while I attemped to break his defense. After beating him, he presumed to say "wow you're not very good at this game are you?" I did not care to respond. He also mentioned that he had been watching anime the entire time...My point is that it takes away from your "social experiment" when you act like a jerk to anyone who doesn't meet your standards on the ladder. The Bronze league is what it is. Half the players are noobs(like me) who just want to get better and are struggling with the mechanics. The other half are guys who just plain don't care about improving and want to play their own style. Knowing how Gheed acts on ladder takes away from this blog and it's a shame because it's very well-written.
Yeah. You should stop sucking.
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On February 14 2012 05:22 MistaBlue wrote:
I recall playing Gheed about a week ago on a ladder game...You can check my battle.net profile to verifiy this. Gheed, while obviously a very intelligent and dedicated starcraft 2 player/blogger, was extremely condescending. He decided to go Void Ray and beat my stupid bronze butt because I didn't properly control my queens. After a couple games, I saw him again. This time he decided to go mass photon cannon in one base while I attemped to break his defense. After beating him, he presumed to say "wow you're not very good at this game are you?" I did not care to respond. He also mentioned that he had been watching anime the entire time...My point is that it takes away from your "social experiment" when you act like a jerk to anyone who doesn't meet your standards on the ladder. The Bronze league is what it is. Half the players are noobs(like me) who just want to get better and are struggling with the mechanics. The other half are guys who just plain don't care about improving and want to play their own style. Knowing how Gheed acts on ladder takes away from this blog and it's a shame because it's very well-written.
This never happened.
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You sure are getting some notoriety, check the guy a couple of posts above who posted on some slanderous text in an attempt to demean your "research".
Honestly though, well written blog, an enjoyable read although its kind of obvious that you can win games with almost any strategy in bronze if you have a reasonable amount of knowledge of sc2.
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On February 14 2012 09:45 Gheed wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 05:22 MistaBlue wrote:
I recall playing Gheed about a week ago on a ladder game...You can check my battle.net profile to verifiy this. Gheed, while obviously a very intelligent and dedicated starcraft 2 player/blogger, was extremely condescending. He decided to go Void Ray and beat my stupid bronze butt because I didn't properly control my queens. After a couple games, I saw him again. This time he decided to go mass photon cannon in one base while I attemped to break his defense. After beating him, he presumed to say "wow you're not very good at this game are you?" I did not care to respond. He also mentioned that he had been watching anime the entire time...My point is that it takes away from your "social experiment" when you act like a jerk to anyone who doesn't meet your standards on the ladder. The Bronze league is what it is. Half the players are noobs(like me) who just want to get better and are struggling with the mechanics. The other half are guys who just plain don't care about improving and want to play their own style. Knowing how Gheed acts on ladder takes away from this blog and it's a shame because it's very well-written. This never happened.
I love how he now cancelled it lol. This thread has been most entertaining.
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People need to understand that this blog isn't about Bronzies who can't defend worker rushes with a-move, it's about Bronzies who can't defend worker rushes with a-move and instead of trying to learn what happened (which is a 1 google search away) just flame the other player with a broken grammer. As stated in the blog, there is a very large difference between new players who start in Bronze and they are willing to learn and will not stay in Bronze as it is very easy to get out, and the players who just blame the game for being flawed, stating that they can't get out because they are "slow", or just throw insults at the other player for winning them with a strategy that isn't up to their moral standards.
Great read Gheed, enjoyed it very much, the lawsuit part was priceless xD
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9931 Posts
what if i told you my hobby was to study how people react when presented with baffling facts, and that i am in at least 7 of those screenshots?
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I want to do this now for the lulz.
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On February 13 2012 02:16 Pingu242 wrote:
Anyone else find this Gheed guy an egomaniac douche bag who derives pleasure from beating down (most likely) children learning to play a game? What a dick.
Yeah, I partly agree with that, my little brother is 10 years old (9 when he started) and he is one of these players who fit very well into the description... he only plays teamgames now because of the amount of worker and cannon rushes in low bronze (and rages at his teammates who are like 10 times better than him and says they suck LOL). He hasn't played SC2 for a while though and he was never allowed to play a whole lot of video games in the first place, so he never used this rare play time to practice or anything, actually he mostly played campaign and AI anyway
He got a lot better, but for new players (especially young ones) the whole RTS genre is really abstract and you shouldn't assume they act logically just because everything looks logical and easy for YOU or because they played a lot of games before. Hell, some players down there are even that young that they can't really deal with numbers in any way above the most basic of set theory. They just like how the units look and they have some kind of weird strategies in their head that don't make a lot of sense when you know how RTS work, they just do what they like and what looks cool or strong for them.
I still appreciate the amount of effort put into these blogs and they are well written, so as much as I dislike his attitude and view on other players on ladder I like how much work he puts in so we can enjoy reading it, and I think he shouldn't stop doing it. There is so much bad trolling in the internet, I like some trolling with effort put in.
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On February 18 2012 02:13 intrigue wrote:
what if i told you my hobby was to study how people react when presented with baffling facts, and that i am in at least 7 of those screenshots?
that settles it, I am parking an alt account into bronze
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Alright, now, lets see a net worth comparison of your bronze league opponents vs your net worth, gogogo!
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It's weird seeing people get offended by this blog. The point of laddering is to see how you measure up and to practice to get better and therefore climb the ladder. If you can't defend against a really bad strategy, you might have a glaring flaw in your game. If someone is resistant to someone telling him how to defeat it, claiming OP/cheap/whatever on that rush, why would that person try and ladder? To have "good" games that consist of turtling on one base for 20 minutes and then moving out with 5 broodlords?
While I don't really get Gheed's motivation in playing these games either (stuff like decals on buildings and achievements never sparked my interest), these blogs are well written and highly entertaining. Anyone saying that behavior like this will scare away new players from the community, I highly disagree. The players that have an interest in getting better will come and read up on stuff, and learn how a worker rush is a bad strategy within a week. Players who have no interest in the competitive side of the game will not come here, since they won't find anything of interest for them. TL might look elitist, but that's because it always has been, that's why I keep comming here.
A friend of mine, who is not a gamer by any means, started out not long after release of SC2 and started in bronze. His RTS experience prior to SC2 were bot games with cheats in BW. I played some 2v2s with him, we played some 1v1s, because he actually wanted to get better, he asked me some stuff. I never taught him a whole lot. I just told him to build more workers, answered his question "and if they rush?" with "that's why you send out a scout" and to just keep spending his ressources. Left him alone for a few months and he made his way to diamond with just a couple of games a week. If you want to learn and get better, it doesn't take that much.
So where I am getting at, I can't see any reason why someone would ladder, rage at a worker rush and at the same time seemingly not improve at the game. They either don't care about getting better at all or are unable to do so. I assume the first, because everyone can learn if they are just willing to. Is it just their ego preventing them from seeing their own mistakes? Or is it really them just not caring about the results? But why do they ladder and get mad then? I don't get it.
Edit: And I think I meant to post this in the newer installment. How do I forum?
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Occasionally I will get worker rushed by the Green Tea AI. I box all my workers and A-Move and still lose. Does anyone know why?
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Whoa! For a second I thought that the Maximus guy (in the random screenshots) was me. Went through my entire game history. It's not me. Thank the higher authority(ies).
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Best read in a long time! Too funny. Well written.
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lulz... made my day... thx ;>
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OP is a dork and probably doesn't even realize that
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Ok, publishing private messages without the other person's aproval is against the law. I hope you actually get sued and from now on have the decency of hiding people's names.
Except for that, Gheed, your blog is fun and you write quite well.
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On May 03 2012 04:14 nerak wrote:
Ok, publishing private messages without the other person's aproval is against the law. I hope you actually get sued and from now on have the decency of hiding people's names.
Except for that, Gheed, your blog is fun and you write quite well.
i dont think its agaist the law because he isnt using there real names. he is using there sc2 account names that arnt even unique.
either way really funny keep it up
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On May 03 2012 04:14 nerak wrote:
Ok, publishing private messages without the other person's aproval is against the law. I hope you actually get sued and from now on have the decency of hiding people's names.
Except for that, Gheed, your blog is fun and you write quite well.
Which law of the almighty internet police are you referring to here?
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