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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1253 Posts
January 19 2012 19:42 GMT
#1
It is a constant problem for everyone in the human race. You could say it is the pursuit that creates the human "race". Where do I find that extra bit of time? Sure, you'll get folks who have so much time on their hands when they have a shower clocks get washed out of their belly-button - but for the average Joe, Andrea and Rose - time can be something that is continually slipping away.

To quote something from Star Trek - "This is no time to argue about time... we don't have the time". And it's true. How many of you have sat down, said "I'm going to do some laddering!" and then have played one or two games, then with gusto exclaimed "well I'm pooped, this is tiring, I must have played for at least 2 hours". It's a mental thing as much as it is an actual physical realisation of how much time has passed. Regardless - time is not something that we can easily get back - unless you have a spare flux capacitor and some extra jiggawatts. But what does that mean to members of the Starcraft community? What does it mean when you need to devote time to playing and stealing nerds' ladder points - along with watching the latest vods, replays and interviews?

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Content is so easy to find now


The constant influx of content

It is difficult to think of the volume easily - despite certain producers trying to make the task easy - but there is a literal flood of amazing information and matches that we are provided in this fantastic community. Youtube casters such as myself churning away night and day bringing you matches from replays and the odd-recorded-live pieces of video, Live shoutcasters blasting through their microphones with the most up-to-date and current live matches going on around the globe at the big tournaments - and of course lets not forget the venerable live streamers who provide you with great live content and the occasional /commercial.

There are easy ways to find the content - that hasn't ever been (and I don't think ever will be) the problem. The issue is the time that it takes - it's not like you can put a match on fast-forward and just shoot through it, getting the basic picture. Even if it was something simple to do - why would you? Half of the fun is in the experience of watching amazing battles, glorious macro and micro and of course the commentary spice that gets added to the mix. We have some great sites that aggregate content like starcraft2vids.com and sc2casts.com, you can have a look at r/starcraftvods on reddit and the livesreports here on TL, and of course you can follow channels on Youtube to stay up to date with content coming from them.

What do I watch?

I'm going to try and eliminate as much of my own bias as possible, but here we go -

Youtube casts or VODS are really good if you have some favourite casters who regularly produce content, and you're happy to sit down and watch for a while. Another awesome thing about Youtube casts (and other forms of VoD) is that you can pause them. For someone busy, perhaps you're cooking at home and you need to turn that steak over - pausing is incredibly useful. Perhaps you're at work, watching a GSL vod when you really shouldn't be and the boss walks by... pause that bad boy and wait until the boss is gone. It's so simple and effective.

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Youtube, a great source


What do you lose in a VoD? Unfortunately if you're watching "popular" videos, such as the afforementioned GSL vods, delayed MLG casts, or something along those lines - you may have already been spoiled before you even get to load them. To me this is purely a "viewer" problem. If you don't want to be spoiled, you're a smart cookie and you should know that avoiding reddit, twitter and other sites are a must. The ironic part about the digital age is that even though we are sometimes much further apart than a "normal" community is - information is ridiculously difficult to keep secret.

Not saying that people are just terrible at the secret game... but take the announcement of Zenio to TL and Moon to Fnatic for example - these were pre-announced with a "little" info and the obvious goal of creating a lot of hype and excitement - but those nerds with some skills in Photoshop, de-pixelling or who are just good at extrapolating were able to pickup on the tiny piece of information and run with it. That's another story though.

The other big problem with watching delayed vods is that you lose the... atmosphere. It is something that is really hard to define in words, but there is a certain aura when you watch a game live, it's almost like you are there in the crowd. And hey, we're in the business of redefining standards (see: sport, community, bar events...) - who says that in the Starcraft community, the online audience isn't a crowd? Think about that and let me know what you think.

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MLG Orlando


Live matches (including big events) are amazing fun to watch online, and from what I've seen and been told by you magical people online - they are just ridiculously awesome to go to in the flesh. Watching live games have that amazing aura of "spectacle" and "grandeur" that vods lack. You feel the presence of the players, the other fans, and just that whole energy surging through from the games themselves. Another great part is that you can take part in the games in real time - Tweeting your thoughts, blogging straight after, crashing sites if they can't handle your F5 spam...

What's the drawback? There aren't as many, but there are a couple. Online events have no pause if you're there at the event - they won't PP while you go peepee. Simple fix though - plan things out properly. This can also be a factor watching from home/barcraft - just make sure you have your drink, your pizza-pockets are already prepared before the games start. But the chance that you need to do something is there, so just keep that in mind. It's worth keeping in mind though that there are restreams of some events, and you can also rewind some streams too which is just amazing for Esports.

Live streams are also a great source of entertainment. I say "entertainment" with a little bit of a twist (you can't see it, but the way I said it in my head has a twist, ) because live streams can be very different depending on the streamer and how they are feeling at the time. I'm going to take a moment to express my sadness at the fact that Axslav was just released from Evil Geniuses - unfortunate as it is, I hope everyone continues to jump on his stream, probably one of the most educational streams (especially for Protoss players) given his high-level skills and real-time commentating. I don't know of too many others who can play at that level AND interact with the chat and provide information on exactly what they are doing and why.

Enough TT from me - live streams are great to watch - a lot of the time when I come home from work I'll jump on a stream just to see someone else playing - it seems to give your mind a bit of a break. You don't have to sit there learning - sometimes it's just fun to watch. Korean streams are educational in the aspect of "oh that's how I beat that cheese", but they are no doubt entertaining too, watching LiquidHerO stomp all over Zergs makes me proud to wear a TL shirt when I do.

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QxG,Destiny doing his thing!


What is lacking in streams? To be honest, not that much. As I said, depending on the stream you may not "gain knowledge" or have as much colour as a vod or a live shoutcast will have - but that's purely up to you, you're the one picking the streamer. If you pick oGsForGG - you'll get a high level Terran who seems to destroy everyone on ladder - but he won't tell you how, you need to figure that out yourself. If you try out Catz or Destiny, you'll get some humour and fun builds thrown in to your streaming session. If you pick Axslav, Whitera, Sheth or Demuslim - you'll get high level play, and you'll also get the added benefit of learning something new. It's all up to you, and how you are feeling. I suppose this does seperate out live streams from Vods or Live Shoutcasts in a way, but hey, I'm rolling with it.

A snazzy heading to sum up

It all depends on your situation, how much time you have - and what you're interested in. I recently made a tweet asking what GSL vods I should "put in a list to watch because they are awesome but never actually get time to watch" - some folks tweeted back and let me know. I'm not sure if they were mocking me, but it was great that the community was able to help. How do you pick your video content for SC2, do you have a particular favourite stream you love to watch, a vod channel on Youtube or perhaps you have a back-catalogue of vods you still need to watch?

Cheers

*****
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
reki-
Profile Joined July 2008
Netherlands327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 20:13:43
January 19 2012 20:08 GMT
#2
For a working on a 9 to 5 daily basis person there is nowhere near enough time to keep up on Starcraft II games/news/drama/events and actually playing the game.

You can watch 1-3 games on a weekday evening and play some games also but then it's bedtime already (or being sleepy and miserable the next day x) ) and it's one of the reasons I don't even bother getting a GSL pass anymore because I just won't watch all the games or get the chance to watch them all.

Going on your question in the end, I really like the ratings and "worth watching" polls you see in threads of different tournaments as it's a good way to find nice games, also the thumbs up/down thingy on SC2casts.com is quite a helper in my case.
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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1253 Posts
January 19 2012 20:21 GMT
#3
On January 20 2012 05:08 reki- wrote:
For a working on a 9 to 5 daily basis person there is nowhere near enough time to keep up on Starcraft II games/news/drama/events and actually playing the game.

You can watch 1-3 games on a weekday evening and play some games also but then it's bedtime already (or being sleepy and miserable the next day x) ) and it's one of the reasons I don't even bother getting a GSL pass anymore because I just won't watch all the games or get the chance to watch them all.

Going on your question in the end, I really like the ratings and "worth watching" polls you see in threads of different tournaments as it's a good way to find nice games, also the thumbs up/down thingy on SC2casts.com is quite a helper in my case.


Yeah your average person with a normal job will find it difficult. I work 6am to 2pm~, come home, do some casting, then maybe play a couple of games (Not always SC2... sometimes it's hard to play after casting it) then it's dinner and then GSL time, then bed at 8-9pm (4am wake up).

I have a GSL pass for the year - just because there are some times on the weekend where I do get some spare time and I like to catch up on games that I have missed that people suggest to me are pretty epic, but that's about it. I still haven't seen the HSC4 final matches.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
January 19 2012 20:41 GMT
#4
Yeah, I have the same problem but with high school. I have school from 7:30 til 3:45 and then I get home and there's just so much to catch up on I'm forced to choose whether to watch or play.
DONTPANIC
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States340 Posts
January 19 2012 20:56 GMT
#5
I play and watch/listen to sc2 at the same time. Two monitors are helpful.
The universe is big. Really big.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
January 19 2012 21:23 GMT
#6
Order of operations:

1: GSL/MLG/WCG: The big 3, these tournaments I will watch above anything if they are live.

2: Lesser tourneys/Korean Zergs/Certain NA players: This is my #2, I am generally trying to absorb knowledge and timings from these when not playing.

3: Korean non-zerg/Channel Hop: I will look for players playing against zerg. Nice to watch Hero or Marineking do their thing, see how it works out.

4: Unknowns/something else: I might fish around for new people to watch (I just started checking out Snute's stream, he'll prob get put into my #2 list) or else I might just... you know... waste time on forums. >_>
MaxwellE
Profile Joined April 2010
England229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:50:39
January 19 2012 21:48 GMT
#7
It's exam season now so I am actually able to watch Code S in the mornings and then start my daily revision, but once uni starts again I am gonna only be watching the finals and weekend tournies & random streams/small tournies in the evenings while doing HW.

I prefer to watch Whitera/Tyler/TLO or catch up on SoTG in my free time. Practically no time to play though.

E: Weekend tournies like IPL, MLG, NASL, HSC, Dreamhack etc fill my appetite pretty well though. If I had more free time I would use it to play instead of watch tbh.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
January 19 2012 21:54 GMT
#8
personally i think you should choose a 'Goal' for your contents consumption overall.

For me, as a high master player, i normally skipped on most of the NA tourney and mainly focus on KR an EU events. Main reason is bc i want to improve as Protoss and there is no good protoss in NA atm. Similar to stream, i only watch players who play protoss and are GOOD. TL favorite list helps a ton at this point.

I am also very keen on caster in general. To me watching day9 daily most of the time is a waste of time simply bc he is trying to explain very basic concepts to a board audience more than extreme logical thinking (some of his daily did this though). I also dont EVER watch casters who dont play the game at high level or at least i never take them seriously. Streams like IPL/ ESV i often muta the stream or just dont watch them at all (no offend to the people, i love them as person but i just dont like their casting).

My goal in the end is to improved. Trying to learn more build order, trying to learn the way pros think inside the game, trying to understand the game from different angle. The game itself (SC2) is not as entertained to me as the competitive aspect of it and i think i enjoy SC2 by trying to get better at it.

My favorite streamers right now that are not on TL feature lists are: CoLRSVP, TypeReal, DaisyPrime.WE, etc... good protoss overall. I stay away from youtube simply bc i think every sc2 related contents should be found on twitch or own3D. VODs often are a waste of time to me bc if i wana learn the game its better to watch it live where the meta game and the thoughts are up to date. Again, i mostly dont like casters so youtube has very little contents that i am interested in.

Now thats only apply to me myself. I think you, too, should have your own goal out of watching this. If you are watching the game for fun, feel free to tune in entertaining people such as Destiny or CombatEX. If you wana stay classy watch ESLTV with rotterdamn and Mrbitter. If you like math/nerd jokes (im math major myself) go watch day9 or GSL. Define your own goal: entertain or educated? Fun or information? Have a taste of your own and filter the contents sea with it. Also dont afraid trying out new stuff: try it once, dont like it? move along.

Hope this post helps
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Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
January 19 2012 21:55 GMT
#9
i totally agree with you, too much to do in one day that i would LIKE to do so i have to make sacrifices
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worked13
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia93 Posts
January 20 2012 02:24 GMT
#10
Your post echoes many of my own opinions as well. I'm a GM Protoss and I can relate closely to some points you have mentioned.

On January 20 2012 06:54 NB wrote:
To me watching day9 daily most of the time is a waste of time simply bc he is trying to explain very basic concepts to a board audience more than extreme logical thinking (some of his daily did this though). I also dont EVER watch casters who dont play the game at high level or at least i never take them seriously.


Day9 dailies are obviously geared towards the newer/less experienced players, so watching him as a high level player is next to useless. However, he is an ex-BW pro and is more than likely a Master league player (when he finds the time to play) - so mentioning that watching Day9 is a waste of time and then saying you don't watch casters who don't play at a high level (which Day9 does) doesn't do you much justice.


I stay away from youtube simply bc i think every sc2 related contents should be found on twitch or own3D. VODs often are a waste of time to me bc if i wana learn the game its better to watch it live where the meta game and the thoughts are up to date. Again, i mostly dont like casters so youtube has very little contents that i am interested in.


I'm of the same opinion. If I ever want to show somebody a SC2 game I just load up a recent cast on YouTube, but rarely make extensive use of it nor subscribe to casters. I definitely prefer loading up a live stream or even watching a recent archived stream of some high level Protoss players such as MaNa, WhiteRa, SaSe etc to watching casts on YouTube.


Define your own goal: entertain or educated? Fun or information?


That's a tough task, as different moods constitute different desires. For example, one might want to be 'entertained' after coming home from a full day's work and being mentally exhausted. However, one might also want to be 'educated' or informed on a weekend, when more free time is available to learn and practice.

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