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SHOUTcraft Invitational 4 - Postmortem - Page 3

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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 16 2012 21:23 GMT
#41
On January 17 2012 06:19 Hoonose wrote:
Thanks for an awesome tournament TB! I can't imagine it's easy simultaneously organizing and casting a tournament for 12 hours a day.

I have one question though regarding DarKFoRcE's total winnings (for the sake of accuracy on the Liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_SHOUTcraft_Invitational/4) - how much did he win?
Was it: $1021 = $100 (from being eliminated in group stages) + $821 (from tips) + $100 (for the comeback bounty, while I heard you increased from $50, for a truly amazing comeback)
Or was the comeback bounty placed directly in his tip jar, making his total winnings $921?

I know this doesn't actually matter that much for most people besides DarKFoRcE, but it bugs me when something on Liquipedia is wrong...


It was placed into his tip-jar.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
January 16 2012 21:29 GMT
#42
Colin Smith has to be rich...

But TB, did you try to tell the koreans, that the SCIs are a great way of promoting less known koreans to the foreign scene?
Because i think that would be the case.
josephgee
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2 Posts
January 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#43
On January 17 2012 04:48 Denzil wrote:
Good show indeed Totalbiscuit + Apollo

Totalbiscuit have you ever considered going to Korea to cast Code A?

(Obviously it's impractical for so many reasons but the have you considered it part is what I'm interested in)


Last year he said this

On January 12 2011 00:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Won't be applying for this, as awesome as it would be. I'm already fighting a legal battle to get back into the States so I can be with my wife and kid again, after being apart for 2 years thanks to the irreversible decision of a single Homeland Security officer. I can't go running off to South Korea, not a bachelor anymore.


maznaryk
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom11 Posts
January 16 2012 21:31 GMT
#44
Thanks TB, I really enjoyed this tournament. More than the first 3 SCIs and they were awesome.

Do you think we could see a team tournament in the future? Like a mix of 2v2 and 1v1s, or even 3v3 and 1v1s. I've been watching the HP Trophy that Millenium are doing and I really like the sense of having to pull clutch wins, not just for yourself, but for your team.
panazoix
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden7 Posts
January 16 2012 21:33 GMT
#45
Thank you! Totalbiscuit and dApollo, you made it again. i LOVE you two together, and i can't wait for more.
"If i disable my anti-virus, 4 trojanas will run frealy on my harddrive"
sebsejr
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
213 Posts
January 16 2012 21:33 GMT
#46
Thank you sooooo much TB! you are sooooo bloody awesome, i love you all my heart! keep doing what you are doing! <3<3
Rayons
Profile Joined December 2011
Dominican Republic19 Posts
January 16 2012 21:33 GMT
#47
This was the first Shoutcraft I exprienced and it was completely awesome. You guys did a great job with everything, very professional on your parts. Can't wait for the next one.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
January 16 2012 21:39 GMT
#48
I had a smile on my face reading this entire blog in your accent.
SnapCall
Profile Joined December 2010
94 Posts
January 16 2012 21:40 GMT
#49
Some thoughts on the group stage format:

First of all, I think the way you handled ties is fine, however i'm not the biggest fan of this kind of format in general, because:

-Potential of matches from an already eliminated player(or even matches between two eliminated players)
-Potential of "trying to lose" in group B, if both players already advanced and prefer to play against the winner of group A
-Confusion about who is going to advance in which scenario for Viewers/Casters
-Sometimes "akward" results (players getting eliminated with 2-1, players advancing with 1-2)
-Slight risk of three-way-ties, which require additional matches and could break your timeshedule

My suggestion is the "GSL Format", basically a 4 player double-elimination tournament, which eliminates/reduces all of the problems above. It also reduces the matches played per group from 6 to 5 and makes Day 1 a bit shorter again.
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
January 16 2012 21:41 GMT
#50
Love love love these! The competition this weekend was awesome. Truly epic matches.
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
January 16 2012 21:44 GMT
#51
Can't wait for the next one :D
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
January 16 2012 21:47 GMT
#52
Awesome tournament. Looking forward to the next one which will(hopefully) have Naniwa in it, yay.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
January 16 2012 21:49 GMT
#53
Big thanks to totalbiscuit, apollo, colin smith and all the others who contributed to make that weekend so great for me!
I´m looking foward to SCI5!
Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
January 16 2012 22:01 GMT
#54
Fantastic tourney, I eagerly await the next one! ^_^
Less QQ, more PewPew
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 16 2012 22:07 GMT
#55
Nice blog. I enjoyed the tournament a lot and as someone who prefers Korean players to foreigners I eagerly await SCI5.

One suggestion I would have is switch to the GSL group stage format. It will slightly shorten your day by removing 2 best of 3s and all you lose is a meaningless game.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
KevinBacon
Profile Joined July 2011
Portugal48 Posts
January 16 2012 22:09 GMT
#56
I guess this have probably been said many times before but I feel that when you have a tournament where even a player who loses at the first stage can gain so much exposure and money from tips, it's kinda unfair that it has a player selection based on invites. I think only the previous shoutcraft winner should be invited and the rest of the player selection should be based on qualifiers so every good player out there could have a shot at this boost in their e-sports career. I know this would probably require a lot of extra work but i guess there are a lot of ppl out there willing to help with that. Overall i think you did a great job TB and the tournament was great.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
January 16 2012 22:10 GMT
#57
Hey TB if you need help finding Koreans just let me know, really really enjoy these tournaments!
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
January 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#58
Amazing write-up TB! The tournament was indeed great! Can't wait to see SCi5! Best online tournament hosted yet? ... oh.. TSL! hmm..idk. The games played in SCi4 was insane none the less! I had alot of fun watching it.. Keep doing your thing, and thank your sir!
Liquid
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
January 16 2012 22:14 GMT
#59
Colin Smith is such a baller :D And this tournament was ballerific as well <3 Tuned in for most of day1 and a little bit of day2. During day1 I couldn't stop watching because everything was so awesome haha. So I spammed all my twitter followers with my impressions during the games. Very fun, fun indeed.

Much love to you, John and Shaun. You guys always deliver amazing entertainment
@nowSimon
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
January 16 2012 22:18 GMT
#60
On January 17 2012 04:48 Denzil wrote:
Good show indeed Totalbiscuit + Apollo

Totalbiscuit have you ever considered going to Korea to cast Code A?

(Obviously it's impractical for so many reasons but the have you considered it part is what I'm interested in)

I don't see him doing it. SC 2 is part time for him. Theoretically he could do it for a month and keep up with YT, but TB is way overworked already let's hope he gets a visa and casts MLG or IPL that looks a lot more manageable for him.


Keep up the good work TB
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