• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:43
CEST 14:43
KST 21:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature3Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris13Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again! What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) : I made a 5.0.12/5.0.13 replay fix
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL Maps with Neutral Command Centers Victoria gamers [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro24 Group C [ASL20] Ro24 Group A [ASL20] Ro24 Group B Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The year 2050 Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2684 users

SHOUTcraft Invitational 4 - Postmortem - Page 2

Blogs > TotalBiscuit
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
January 16 2012 20:19 GMT
#21
This is my favorite online tourny as well. Everything is brilliant.

There is a small issue I have with something you said however,

On January 17 2012 04:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Severing our reliance on community funding permanently would be the ultimate goal of this thing.


I know that you do not intend this, but this statement is scary. I like the fact that you feel you owe your viewers something as they have provided the resources to make this happen. I am not saying this will happen but without viewer funding executive decisions can be made without the support of the community and viewers may feel less connected to the tournament. I would say that instead of ever severing ties with community sponsorship, you just continue raising the prize pool as your own revenue keeps increasing. I doubt any player or team would oppose to the prize pool being raised from what it was originally announced as when they signed up.

Just some food for thought.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Quintem
Profile Joined April 2010
England9 Posts
January 16 2012 20:20 GMT
#22
Good read. I watched as the viewers went up and up. Seeing this tournament grow is a great thing.
Would of been nice to see the finals have a gone on a big longer not look 4-0 even though each game was close and a great watch.

Tournament has also tempted me into using Reapers a bit more against Protoss. (Thanks ThorZaIN)

Look forward to seeing SCI5. Keep up the great work TB.
samw
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
England443 Posts
January 16 2012 20:24 GMT
#23
Cheers for a great tourney TB. Colin Smith is my idol
"You will walk in the garden of his turbulence"
Raender
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands10 Posts
January 16 2012 20:24 GMT
#24
Amazing tournament once again! loved watching it and cant wait for the next.

@ Mattchew if I recall correct the maximum prizepool allowed by blizzard is 5k USD without having to give them a cut of the pool. Thats why it isnt bigger.
Apom
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
France655 Posts
January 16 2012 20:25 GMT
#25
Always like your recaps after your events TB, regardless of whether you were an organizer or "merely" caster. Keep it up ! And don't get banned
TheWilki
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark10 Posts
January 16 2012 20:25 GMT
#26
Always been a fan TB! I really enjoy these invitationals!

Keep up the good work!
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
January 16 2012 20:29 GMT
#27
I love that you do these things TB. I wish the rest of the industry took cues from you!

Nevadie!

5/5
MisterD
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1338 Posts
January 16 2012 20:35 GMT
#28
next time try to sync up your matches better with my battlegrounds in SWTOR xD can't watch both cause my pc sucks too much by now

Amazing tournament though, the off-game time was imo perfectly used with displaying ads/grid/etc. The only thing i did not find as perfect was the seemingly tiny studio space. You should try to find a slightly bigger room next time so both of you fit into the image without having to sit on each others laps. you were always very close to the edges if not even partly cut off.

Thanks for the show!
Gold isn't everything in life... you need wood, too!
cyron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1 Post
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 20:36:40
January 16 2012 20:36 GMT
#29
Great tournament, was awesome to watch!
On January 17 2012 05:19 Mattchew wrote:
This is my favorite online tourny as well. Everything is brilliant.

There is a small issue I have with something you said however,

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 04:27 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Severing our reliance on community funding permanently would be the ultimate goal of this thing.


I know that you do not intend this, but this statement is scary. I like the fact that you feel you owe your viewers something as they have provided the resources to make this happen. I am not saying this will happen but without viewer funding executive decisions can be made without the support of the community and viewers may feel less connected to the tournament. I would say that instead of ever severing ties with community sponsorship, you just continue raising the prize pool as your own revenue keeps increasing. I doubt any player or team would oppose to the prize pool being raised from what it was originally announced as when they signed up.

Just some food for thought.


Blizzard capped the maximum amount tournaments can give out without prior approval from them (usually involves that they take some portion of the ad revenue or such) at $5,000. Due to this it is impossible for them to increase the prize limit past this
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
January 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#30
Great write-up, keep up the good and honest work ! : )
IM.Nestea | IM.MvP | MvP.DongRaeGu. | Genius | ST.Parting I SlayerS.MMA
Zojukanji
Profile Joined June 2011
China393 Posts
January 16 2012 20:49 GMT
#31
Your such a baws TB! I'm not the greatest fan of your commentary style, but I LOVE the effort you put into the things you do. I think people like you really carry a community.
thanks
do it!
eXeElNino
Profile Joined December 2011
Wales51 Posts
January 16 2012 21:02 GMT
#32
If any Korean can get invited to SCI5 .... please let one be Dragon!!!
All hail the KING! MKP <3
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 16 2012 21:07 GMT
#33
Slayers Boxer for SCi5 please! He deserves it for all he has done for esports.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4730 Posts
January 16 2012 21:07 GMT
#34
Really appreciating Your work! Keep it up!
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
January 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#35
Loved the tournament! Really happy you invited grubby , I love watching him play and he made for amazing games.

Can't wait for next one!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Loeder
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands9 Posts
January 16 2012 21:09 GMT
#36
TB thanks for all your troubles! Loving the tourneys. Now... if you could get MC (SK.MC?)... that would be... awesome!
<3
JimPanzer
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany339 Posts
January 16 2012 21:13 GMT
#37
Great tournament, great roundup! Much love for you and your team TB!

Can't wait for the SCI5, what I would give to see Ryung participate in it...
Hoonose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States132 Posts
January 16 2012 21:19 GMT
#38
Thanks for an awesome tournament TB! I can't imagine it's easy simultaneously organizing and casting a tournament for 12 hours a day.

I have one question though regarding DarKFoRcE's total winnings (for the sake of accuracy on the Liquipedia page: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/The_SHOUTcraft_Invitational/4) - how much did he win?
Was it: $1021 = $100 (from being eliminated in group stages) + $821 (from tips) + $100 (for the comeback bounty, while I heard you increased from $50, for a truly amazing comeback)
Or was the comeback bounty placed directly in his tip jar, making his total winnings $921?

I know this doesn't actually matter that much for most people besides DarKFoRcE, but it bugs me when something on Liquipedia is wrong...
Amestir
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2126 Posts
January 16 2012 21:20 GMT
#39
Shoutcraft is amazing.

What is even more amazing are these recaps, you're the only host / tournament to give such insight in how everything went. Really like it.


Now go make more Terraria video's
We know nothing.
sl0v
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway51 Posts
January 16 2012 21:21 GMT
#40
Been following your work ever since you got into the sc2-scene, and all your tournaments and other content never fail to impress. Looking forward to your march-tourney, until then, prosper! :D
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LiuLi Cup
11:00
#3
CranKy Ducklings307
SteadfastSC201
IndyStarCraft 193
Rex131
IntoTheiNu 8
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko313
SteadfastSC 201
IndyStarCraft 193
Rex 129
Trikslyr34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 40521
Rain 9255
Sea 4111
PianO 2008
Shuttle 1153
Bisu 891
firebathero 603
EffOrt 594
BeSt 368
ZerO 358
[ Show more ]
Stork 321
Pusan 305
Mini 289
Snow 257
hero 223
actioN 220
ggaemo 216
Barracks 171
Light 145
Hyuk 105
Mind 104
Hyun 104
Soulkey 102
Nal_rA 96
Soma 75
Liquid`Ret 74
JYJ58
ToSsGirL 57
Backho 53
Aegong 48
Sea.KH 42
Movie 36
TY 34
soO 25
[sc1f]eonzerg 24
scan(afreeca) 19
Yoon 18
zelot 18
Bale 16
Sacsri 16
Free 11
HiyA 11
Terrorterran 9
Dota 2
Gorgc7020
XcaliburYe422
KheZu271
resolut1ontv 171
League of Legends
Dendi1110
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1253
zeus405
byalli289
allub268
oskar182
edward61
kRYSTAL_43
Other Games
B2W.Neo1578
SortOf309
hiko299
mouzStarbuck285
XaKoH 116
ZerO(Twitch)18
ArmadaUGS0
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 72
League of Legends
• Nemesis1694
• Jankos853
Other Games
• WagamamaTV273
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
6h 17m
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
14h 17m
CranKy Ducklings
21h 17m
SC Evo League
23h 17m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d
Classic vs Percival
Spirit vs NightMare
CSO Cup
1d 3h
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 5h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
SC Evo League
1d 23h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

Acropolis #4 - TS1
CSLAN 3
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.