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On January 14 2012 05:49 r_con wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2012 23:46 voo05 wrote:On January 12 2012 15:22 pjw wrote:
Similar story here with WoW arena cept I made it to the top(destroying r1 players from every bg when everyone xferred to bloodlust)
I disagree with the statement that you just sometimes can't make it. You just need to improve at improving if that makes sense... The argument came up in an earlier post 'It isn't wrong. Not everyone is capable of following their dreams. If willpower and hard work was the only barrier to being a professional athlete, there would be a lot more people in the NBA.'
With so many people sharing one dream, you need to improve faster than everyone. Also sports are a lot different to gaming, physical injury / limitations play a MASSIVE role in any sort of sport. Gaming on the other hand is entirely about hand eye coordination and thinking.
All in all, the most valuable thing I've learned is that being number #1 is irrelevant, because soon after you are someone who is more dedicated than you(and there always will be) will dethrone you.
These days I prefer using the term challenge over competitive. I want to challenge myself to play guitar as best I can, play sc2 , play quake, play mario kart ffs AS BEST I CAN. Not for glory, not to cure any insecurities but because it's HOW I FUCKING LIKE TO DO SHIT.
Long rant from me, good blog(first one in months on TL)
Totally feel ya on the social skills, if I didnt move out of home at 18 I feel I still would be a massive loner. Luckily Wrath of the lich king ruined any fun that was WoW arena lol. Playing an FPS game, at least, depends on reaction times, twitch shooting, hand-eye coordination, and decision making. all of which(imo) differ from person to person based on talent to begin with aim is directly related to how good the people you are playing. Like, aim maps never really help except warming up. I found that when i was getting better, you have to play people who have better aim to get better aim, cause the better players have faster reactions and better movement, they force you to aim faster and more accurately. I honestly don't think its a talent thing, just that you were not practicing the right way. The thing that happens for a lot of people around that good but kinda not so good level of skill in team games is that they practice in ways that are really bad. Like, they will play a shit ton of aim maps, but against players with bad aim. Or they scrim a lot, against players of similar skill, so they never are forced to get better. I never think of talent, especially at such a low level of CS play, a mental hurdle blocked you, not some innate talent in the rest of players. If anything korea's starcraft dominancs shows that mechanics is truly a developped skill. Idra can practice his mechanics all damn day in America, but if he's not playing the best his mechanics will still not be the best, same with aim or any other skill.
While it is true I often wasn't playing against the best players, that's almost irremediable since IRC and other scrim finding places are filled to the brim with people that are bad that think they're super amazing.
About idra: I think he has some of the best mechanics in the game, his decision making is just not on the super top level, and I'm not sure how that could be attributed to anything other than an innate talent?
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Man, this is such a depressing blog especially since the OP is being so brutally honest with his life.
Best of luck in the future, exercise a lot/eat write, join social/academic circles, finish/start a degree, and you'll be back to owning in life just as you did in CSS in no time
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It's sounds like the infrastructure of the esport you were trying to become pro in just wasn't there  I can't say I agree that talent had anything to do with this. You misjudged the dedication of your team, the availability of work, and the reality of the competition. It just kinda sounds like you got obsessed with a video game and didn't think clearly about where it would lead.
I could play BW 10 hours a day trying to get good playing with other foreigners, but there's no scene outside Korea for me to go to, and it's unlikely I'd get good playing noobs. If I played 10 hours a day it would just be because I was avoiding life. You know what I'm saying? Nothing to do with a talent, everything to do with opportunity. You were an irresponsible kid playing video games, not much more. You really should consider it a waste.
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On January 14 2012 08:14 Chef wrote:It's sounds like the infrastructure of the esport you were trying to become pro in just wasn't there I can't say I agree that talent had anything to do with this. You misjudged the dedication of your team, the availability of work, and the reality of the competition. It just kinda sounds like you got obsessed with a video game and didn't think clearly about where it would lead. I could play BW 10 hours a day trying to get good playing with other foreigners, but there's no scene outside Korea for me to go to, and it's unlikely I'd get good playing noobs. If I played 10 hours a day it would just be because I was avoiding life. You know what I'm saying? Nothing to do with a talent, everything to do with opportunity. You were an irresponsible kid playing video games, not much more. You really should consider it a waste.
It's different in the fact that I wasn't just playing the game "for fun" it was an all out attempt to be the best, I can tell you with the utmost certainty that sitting in a server thinking up strats, and death matching for hours on end are not fun endeavors, and I didn't do them for fun. And so far as the BW analogy, I think that's entirely incomparable. I had the chance to play against the best, and I frequently did play against some of the top teams out there, I wasn't just playing against noobs... there was every opportunity for me to play against the best of the best(not consistently, but sometimes)
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There's more to competition then just muscle memory. There's a mindset, a competitive drive, discipline and structure. It isn't just about how much you practice, but how you do it, and how to live your life as well. Being fat, and living such an undisciplined life almost certainly had an impact on your in game performance.
I'm not going to deny reality and pretend dna doesn't have anything to do with it. But before we all throw our dreams in the toilet, there is more to any endeavor beyond sheer effort, there's also self reflection, self criticism, self awareness, and moderation. As human beings we don't learn as well with pressure on us, and when you go "all or nothing", thats exactly what you're doing.
Basically this
It just kinda sounds like you got obsessed with a video game and didn't think clearly about where it would lead.
There was no direction no motive no discipline.
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Similar story here with WoW arena cept I made it to the top(destroying r1 players from every bg when everyone xferred to bloodlust)
lol wow arenas.
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On January 14 2012 05:56 voo05 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 05:49 r_con wrote:On January 12 2012 23:46 voo05 wrote:On January 12 2012 15:22 pjw wrote:
Similar story here with WoW arena cept I made it to the top(destroying r1 players from every bg when everyone xferred to bloodlust)
I disagree with the statement that you just sometimes can't make it. You just need to improve at improving if that makes sense... The argument came up in an earlier post 'It isn't wrong. Not everyone is capable of following their dreams. If willpower and hard work was the only barrier to being a professional athlete, there would be a lot more people in the NBA.'
With so many people sharing one dream, you need to improve faster than everyone. Also sports are a lot different to gaming, physical injury / limitations play a MASSIVE role in any sort of sport. Gaming on the other hand is entirely about hand eye coordination and thinking.
All in all, the most valuable thing I've learned is that being number #1 is irrelevant, because soon after you are someone who is more dedicated than you(and there always will be) will dethrone you.
These days I prefer using the term challenge over competitive. I want to challenge myself to play guitar as best I can, play sc2 , play quake, play mario kart ffs AS BEST I CAN. Not for glory, not to cure any insecurities but because it's HOW I FUCKING LIKE TO DO SHIT.
Long rant from me, good blog(first one in months on TL)
Totally feel ya on the social skills, if I didnt move out of home at 18 I feel I still would be a massive loner. Luckily Wrath of the lich king ruined any fun that was WoW arena lol. Playing an FPS game, at least, depends on reaction times, twitch shooting, hand-eye coordination, and decision making. all of which(imo) differ from person to person based on talent to begin with aim is directly related to how good the people you are playing. Like, aim maps never really help except warming up. I found that when i was getting better, you have to play people who have better aim to get better aim, cause the better players have faster reactions and better movement, they force you to aim faster and more accurately. I honestly don't think its a talent thing, just that you were not practicing the right way. The thing that happens for a lot of people around that good but kinda not so good level of skill in team games is that they practice in ways that are really bad. Like, they will play a shit ton of aim maps, but against players with bad aim. Or they scrim a lot, against players of similar skill, so they never are forced to get better. I never think of talent, especially at such a low level of CS play, a mental hurdle blocked you, not some innate talent in the rest of players. If anything korea's starcraft dominancs shows that mechanics is truly a developped skill. Idra can practice his mechanics all damn day in America, but if he's not playing the best his mechanics will still not be the best, same with aim or any other skill. While it is true I often wasn't playing against the best players, that's almost irremediable since IRC and other scrim finding places are filled to the brim with people that are bad that think they're super amazing. About idra: I think he has some of the best mechanics in the game, his decision making is just not on the super top level, and I'm not sure how that could be attributed to anything other than an innate talent?
i was talking broodwar. But no, you do pickups, and aim all day with those better than you. It sounds more like you got stuck on a hump that alot of players hit when they are trying to get better. there are sometimes distinct areas you need to break through. Also? a team that broke up, that happens all the time. Often times you need a breakout performance in CS so you can start mingling with other actual good players. basically, get through open. Next season, go like 4-12 and don't make playoffs, team probably breaks up or someone leaves from demotivation. Rinse and repeat till you get good.
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