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Life Guidance Using Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs

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thedeadhaji *
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Last Edited: 2013-01-21 03:56:43
December 25 2011 11:05 GMT
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tl;dr - a useful (imo) thought experiment


Source: Wikipedia

For convenience sake, I will refer to Maslow's needs as follows:

Self-actualization & Esteem = high level needs

Love/belonging & Safety = mid level needs

Physiological = low level need


I find that many of us feel trapped in our current situation, not particularly satisfied with what we are doing or where we are headed. There's a mismatch between what our conscience wants us to go after, and what our current situation allows.


Looking at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and assuming that its presumptions are reasonable, I believe that most adults have their safety needs and love needs at least partially satisfied. But we can rephrase this situation and say that they are also "stuck" at this stage. Without fully satisfying their needs here, they must continue to allocate resources to maintaining and improving their mid level needs. It is incredibly difficult to move onto satisfying the high level needs of esteem and self-actualization without freeing all of one's resources (particularly time).


The way in which we satisfy our safety needs in this era is largely through financial security. Having financial security is an ongoing maintenance effort for all but the wealthiest of individuals. We must spend a disproportionately large numbers of hours at work, which detracts from our ability to satisfy our love needs, as well as our high level needs.


The sad reality is that for most normal citizens of the world, employment becomes a burden which prevents us from addressing our higher needs. For instance, stories of people working too many hours and sacrificing their personal relationships is an all too familiar story. Similarly, our high level needs are hardly addressable when we're regularly worn out and fatigued from our day jobs. As a result, our needs remain unsatisfied; our mid level needs are only satisfied partly, and only due to our ongoing active maintenance efforts. We are vaguely conscious or subconsciously aware of our high level needs, but don't have many resources to devote to them after the day is over.


If we were all oblivious to our high level needs, then we probably wouldn't persistently feel unsatisfied with ourselves. In fact, if our physiological needs aren't satisfied, then we probably wouldn't even realize our esteem and self-actualization needs, since our minds would be so preoccupied with survival. However, once we have our mid level needs partly satisfied, we become aware of the high level needs. Since we are aware of them and yet cannot satisfy them at all, we become frustrated and unsatisfied with ourselves. Alternatively, we could choose to consciously ignore and forget about this psychological void.


While it may be all but impossible to ensure our financial security for perpetuity, we can figure exactly what we would do in order to satisfy our high level needs, if given the opportunity.


The thought experiment is quite simple. Ask yourself, "What would you do with your life if you became a billionaire?"


Note that you should ask yourself what you want to do with your life, rather that simply "what you want to do". Simple desires like "I want to travel the world", or "I would buy a Ferrari", fall into the latter. They are simple actions that take only a few years, at maximum. When trying to answer what you'd do with your ask, think in terms of decades, rather than in terms of days, months, or even years.


If you were a billionaire, would you still work? Would you still work at your current job, or would you go somewhere else? What would you aim to accomplish there, and why?? What kind of experiences do you want, and why? Who do you want to help, and why? Where do you want to live, and why? Whose life do you want to change, and why? Never stop asking why you're feeling these needs; keep digging ever deeper.


Becoming a billionaire would fully satisfy your safety needs. Once your safety needs are guaranteed, you would be able to devote near-infinite money and all the time you have to satisfy your remaining needs. Really immerse yourself in this hypothetical, and believe that you have no need to work. You should be able to feel some needs stronger than others, reflecting your own awareness of your desires. The way you want to spend your life is a reflection of the unique set of needs for you to be satisfied in this world.


This thought experiment is of course, not perfect; not even close. However, it does allow us to begin thinking of our higher level needs, if we could rid ourselves of our financial insecurities. The desires that we feel under this hypothetical situation is a reflection of who we wish to become, if given the resources to do so. This idealized image of ourselves is in turn a representation of the unaddressed and unsatisfied needs that we are consciously or subconsciously aware of. Once we become aware of these higher needs, perhaps we can work little by little to fill in these holes. Even if our current situation doesn't give us the resources to address these needs, we would at least have the peace of mind and critical awareness of the root of our psychological dissatisfaction with our current selves.


With luck, this understanding should prove to be the first step towards and eventual resolution.





Crossposted from main blog


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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
December 25 2011 11:15 GMT
#2
Good blog 5/5.

To a certain degree I feel people's higher can be satisfied by employment and earning an income. This doesn't contradict what you're saying, but I think it's fairly relevant.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 25 2011 11:24 GMT
#3
I thought this blog might be a bit "off topic" for TL, but I'm glad that you enjoyed it

I would agree that some of us can have our occupation satisfy many of the "higher needs". However, I do think that for many others, a job is only a job, and its sole purpose is to put food on the plate (sounds so cliche, but if you're an assembly line worker in some remote factory, you're living for the weekends).

For both white collar and blue collar work, I imagine that only a subset of each will satisfy the worker's "higher needs". If our work does satisfy our "higher needs", I think we are incredibly fortunate that this is the case.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
December 25 2011 11:31 GMT
#4
I have it the other way around oo though i guess im not emotionally healthy at the moment
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Subversive
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Australia2229 Posts
December 25 2011 11:33 GMT
#5
On December 25 2011 20:24 thedeadhaji wrote:
I thought this blog might be a bit "off topic" for TL, but I'm glad that you enjoyed it

I would agree that some of us can have our occupation satisfy many of the "higher needs". However, I do think that for many others, a job is only a job, and its sole purpose is to put food on the plate (sounds so cliche, but if you're an assembly line worker in some remote factory, you're living for the weekends).

For both white collar and blue collar work, I imagine that only a subset of each will satisfy the worker's "higher needs". If our work does satisfy our "higher needs", I think we are incredibly fortunate that this is the case.

Yeah I agree. Any brain dead job is pretty lethal long-term for most people. And I guess the majority of people in the world, more or less, work a job they're not in love with long-term.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 25 2011 11:38 GMT
#6
On December 25 2011 20:31 OutlaW- wrote:
I have it the other way around oo though i guess im not emotionally healthy at the moment


Would you care to elaborate?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
December 25 2011 11:41 GMT
#7
It seems that many of what you call Maslow's "high level needs" can be met or partially met with a good liberal arts college education.

[image loading]

Looking at this diagram, it's striking to me how strongly I feel secure in the "self-actualization" and "esteem" portions of Maslow's needs. My happiness with who I am as a person is absolute. Often I see stories and comics on the internet about people not being comfortable with the person they are "deep down inside," but that concept is completely foreign to me. When I talk to anyone I am completely myself. I don't change what I say based on what I think other people want to hear, even if I'm in a job interview situation.

So let's think about your thought experiment. If I had a billion dollars, what would I do?

After securing my "mid-level needs," I'd probably get involved in politics as a career. Probably not as a politician but certainly as someone whose money gives him influence. I would see that as a form of philanthropy: using money to make the country I live in a better place.

And that answer makes me think that that pyramid is missing a step at the very top: the need to perform philanthropy. Does that fall under "morality"? I'm not sure. It seems like the final goal in a lot of successful people's lives have to do with philanthropy. See: Gates, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Buffet. If I had a billion dollars I'm sure more than 950 million of it would go towards trying to do some good in this country.

This thought experiment was really useful because it's made me realize that no matter what I do with my life, I need to get into politics somehow. Thanks for that.

Merry Christmas.
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 11:45:28
December 25 2011 11:43 GMT
#8
well, a part of it is in my blog(though it was 6 months ago its somewhat still accurate), but a tl;dr version would be that when i was younger I was so afraid of being disappointed and facing ''ridicule'' from my peers that I shut down my feelings
it might be a little hard to understand but basically I stopped feeling the bad(disappointment, etc) emotions as well as severely dumbing down the positive ones(i never feel accomplished, never feel proud, mostly still of unconscious fear of being wrong and facing ridicule - again, really ridiculous, but i feared being wrong so much because i didnt want anyone to laugh at me)
thats basically it. There are more reasons for why this happened and some more side effects, but I really cant tell at the moment, i only realize them if they happen/if they miss
edit: in the end, things like the bottom part(sex, food, drinks, etc) became my only source of satisfaction, and im fighting hard to revert back to normal
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
December 25 2011 11:46 GMT
#9
Now, I really enjoy the idea of Maslow's pyramid. I consider it to reflect reality a lot.

Since you adressed the issue money=safety need, I really think that becoming a billionaire is rather a path than a status.
For instance, if you now won 1 billion $ what would you do?
I mean the small things(not buy car) - would you tell anyone?
You friends, family?
Would you be willing to give away money to your friends, family if they asked?
Wouldn't you be afraid of becoming just the "source of money" for your current friends rather than "a good company"?
If other people(e.g. neighbours) find out, they would probably envy you and maybe would want some money from you too.
So you would probably have to invest into security services to find yourself more "safe".
- It's all just treason - They bring me down with their lies - Don't know the reason - My life is fire and ice -
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
December 25 2011 12:17 GMT
#10
On December 25 2011 20:46 LastWish wrote:
Now, I really enjoy the idea of Maslow's pyramid. I consider it to reflect reality a lot.

Since you adressed the issue money=safety need, I really think that becoming a billionaire is rather a path than a status.
For instance, if you now won 1 billion $ what would you do?
I mean the small things(not buy car) - would you tell anyone?
You friends, family?
Would you be willing to give away money to your friends, family if they asked?
Wouldn't you be afraid of becoming just the "source of money" for your current friends rather than "a good company"?
If other people(e.g. neighbours) find out, they would probably envy you and maybe would want some money from you too.
So you would probably have to invest into security services to find yourself more "safe".

Most definitely it is a path. There are people that satisfy many of those needs higher up without such things as status or money. There are ways around many of those, it's just that obtaining money makes the psychologically weaker attain them in a different way.

As for the "if I won a billion dollars." I would continue working and I would not tell anyone.
Skype: divito7
surfinbird1
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany999 Posts
December 25 2011 12:57 GMT
#11
What would you do with a billion dollars, haji?
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 12:59:49
December 25 2011 12:59 GMT
#12
On December 25 2011 21:17 divito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2011 20:46 LastWish wrote:
Now, I really enjoy the idea of Maslow's pyramid. I consider it to reflect reality a lot.

Since you adressed the issue money=safety need, I really think that becoming a billionaire is rather a path than a status.
For instance, if you now won 1 billion $ what would you do?
I mean the small things(not buy car) - would you tell anyone?
You friends, family?
Would you be willing to give away money to your friends, family if they asked?
Wouldn't you be afraid of becoming just the "source of money" for your current friends rather than "a good company"?
If other people(e.g. neighbours) find out, they would probably envy you and maybe would want some money from you too.
So you would probably have to invest into security services to find yourself more "safe".

Most definitely it is a path. There are people that satisfy many of those needs higher up without such things as status or money. There are ways around many of those, it's just that obtaining money makes the psychologically weaker attain them in a different way.

As for the "if I won a billion dollars." I would continue working and I would not tell anyone.


Ok, so here is the thing you continue working and nobody knows that you have a billion $ chilling on your bank account.
Would you be doing anything with the money at all?
Here's the situation - Work:
Your boss becomes increasingly annoying - he gives you a lot of work, is criticizing your performance and even threatens to give you bad performace scores on your next evaluation.
You however disagree with his criticism and think well of yourself.
So would you kindly accept this criticism and work-stress knowing you have a lot of $$$, and could even own part of the company(so you would be his boss in the end)?
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mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
December 25 2011 17:56 GMT
#13
Interesting blog as usual. I've been dealing with the issues of never having time for that top of the pyramid, slowly and surely growing unhappy despite not wanting for anything (except free time). Just this past week I accepted a new job that is around a $20k/year paycut but takes me from 55+ hours a week and on call 24/7 to 40 hours a week, every other Friday off and never on call. New job actually helps people too, no more soulless corporate crap. I'm so excited to get back to reading for fun, taking some classes and having time to create.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 26 2011 01:14 GMT
#14
On December 26 2011 02:56 mucker wrote:
I'm so excited to get back to reading for fun, taking some classes and having time to create.


I think a common thread between what you describe, and motbob's liberal arts education is the capacity to create on a personal level. (whether it be writing, coding, drawing, photography, etc)
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 26 2011 02:09 GMT
#15
On December 26 2011 02:56 mucker wrote:
Interesting blog as usual. I've been dealing with the issues of never having time for that top of the pyramid, slowly and surely growing unhappy despite not wanting for anything (except free time). Just this past week I accepted a new job that is around a $20k/year paycut but takes me from 55+ hours a week and on call 24/7 to 40 hours a week, every other Friday off and never on call. New job actually helps people too, no more soulless corporate crap. I'm so excited to get back to reading for fun, taking some classes and having time to create.


If you don't mind me asking, were you in corporate IT or software development?

Also, congrats on achieving a better balanced life
(hopefully you're not married with kids with a mortgage though! )
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 26 2011 06:22 GMT
#16
On December 25 2011 20:41 motbob wrote:
It seems that many of what you call Maslow's "high level needs" can be met or partially met with a good liberal arts college education.

[image loading]

Looking at this diagram, it's striking to me how strongly I feel secure in the "self-actualization" and "esteem" portions of Maslow's needs. My happiness with who I am as a person is absolute. Often I see stories and comics on the internet about people not being comfortable with the person they are "deep down inside," but that concept is completely foreign to me. When I talk to anyone I am completely myself. I don't change what I say based on what I think other people want to hear, even if I'm in a job interview situation.

So let's think about your thought experiment. If I had a billion dollars, what would I do?

After securing my "mid-level needs," I'd probably get involved in politics as a career. Probably not as a politician but certainly as someone whose money gives him influence. I would see that as a form of philanthropy: using money to make the country I live in a better place.

And that answer makes me think that that pyramid is missing a step at the very top: the need to perform philanthropy. Does that fall under "morality"? I'm not sure. It seems like the final goal in a lot of successful people's lives have to do with philanthropy. See: Gates, Carnegie, Rockefeller, Buffet. If I had a billion dollars I'm sure more than 950 million of it would go towards trying to do some good in this country.

This thought experiment was really useful because it's made me realize that no matter what I do with my life, I need to get into politics somehow. Thanks for that.

Merry Christmas.


I'm actually surprised myself not to see philanthropy in there at the very top (I had read elsewhere - not wikipedia - that the highest human need is indeed philanthropy. I had forgotten about this until you brought it up for me).

Oh, did some additional research, looks like "transcendence" here corresponds to philanthropy.
http://www.futurehi.net/docs/Maslows_Hierarchy.html

Btw, I was reading Jonathan Franzen's piece in the New Yorker, and this reminded me of what you said about a liberal arts education.

Once I’d diagnosed my homesickness, I was able to address it by writing letters. For the rest of the trip, I wrote in my journal every day and found myself moving away from Weidman and gravitating toward my female fellow-campers; I’d never been so successful socially. What had been missing was some halfway secure sense of my own identity, a sense achieved in solitude by putting first-person words on a page.


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/04/18/110418fa_fact_franzen?currentPage=all
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
December 27 2011 06:31 GMT
#17
On December 25 2011 21:59 LastWish wrote:
Ok, so here is the thing you continue working and nobody knows that you have a billion $ chilling on your bank account.
Would you be doing anything with the money at all?

I would buy a new house, or pay off my existing one. Possibly a new car (older/used is better option to avoid drawing attention) and a few nice toys for inside the house (away from most people's eyes).

The rest of the money would be in a high-interest account.

On December 25 2011 21:59 LastWish wrote:
Here's the situation - Work:
Your boss becomes increasingly annoying - he gives you a lot of work, is criticizing your performance and even threatens to give you bad performace scores on your next evaluation.
You however disagree with his criticism and think well of yourself.
So would you kindly accept this criticism and work-stress knowing you have a lot of $$$, and could even own part of the company(so you would be his boss in the end)?

The only reason to be fearful of a poor evaluation is the raise attached to it, or the circumstances that might affect your dismissal. Unless I'm really unhappy with the work situation anyways, a poor evaluation would be much easier to accept with money slowly growing in a bank account because I'm less dependent on its outcome.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 27 2011 07:02 GMT
#18
On December 25 2011 20:43 OutlaW- wrote:
well, a part of it is in my blog(though it was 6 months ago its somewhat still accurate), but a tl;dr version would be that when i was younger I was so afraid of being disappointed and facing ''ridicule'' from my peers that I shut down my feelings
it might be a little hard to understand but basically I stopped feeling the bad(disappointment, etc) emotions as well as severely dumbing down the positive ones(i never feel accomplished, never feel proud, mostly still of unconscious fear of being wrong and facing ridicule - again, really ridiculous, but i feared being wrong so much because i didnt want anyone to laugh at me)
thats basically it. There are more reasons for why this happened and some more side effects, but I really cant tell at the moment, i only realize them if they happen/if they miss
edit: in the end, things like the bottom part(sex, food, drinks, etc) became my only source of satisfaction, and im fighting hard to revert back to normal


I actually don't think this is ridiculous at all -- in fact, I was reading a book called "The No Asshole Rule" (a book on how "assholes" in the workplace decrease productivity & morale, etc), and one of the defense mechanisms that employees should use is to feel detached and numb towards the asshole in order to protect themselves from further emotional torment. When I read your post, I immediately remembered this book and its stories.

Your reaction sounds perfectly natural and reasonable given the unfortunate circumstances you describe. Unfortunately I'm not a professional so I shouldn't say what you should do one way or another, but I just hope that you have better peers around you now.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 27 2011 07:15 GMT
#19
On December 25 2011 21:57 surfinbird1 wrote:
What would you do with a billion dollars, haji?


Sry, missed this post until now.

Consumption - I don't think I'd change much, if at all. I dislike displaying wealth, so I certainly would actively avoid purchasing status symbols. In fact, I'd be paranoid about people knowing about my new found wealth, so I'd go to extreme lengths to hide it.

Career - I'd quit my current work and start a company (probably not with my own money though) for some grandiose purpose I believe in (i.e. not social media / social gaming). Probably something to do with sustainability.

Family/Friends - not much would change; they do well for themselves already in their own way.

-------------

Looks like I'd end working for safety and instead begin to work for self actualization or "higher purposes". But this of course is a direct result of growing up in a business driven area and family; it's a natural way of self projection for me. I imagine others would choose different routes.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 30 2011 08:34 GMT
#20
On December 25 2011 20:46 LastWish wrote:
Now, I really enjoy the idea of Maslow's pyramid. I consider it to reflect reality a lot.

Since you adressed the issue money=safety need, I really think that becoming a billionaire is rather a path than a status.
For instance, if you now won 1 billion $ what would you do?
I mean the small things(not buy car) - would you tell anyone?
You friends, family?
Would you be willing to give away money to your friends, family if they asked?
Wouldn't you be afraid of becoming just the "source of money" for your current friends rather than "a good company"?
If other people(e.g. neighbours) find out, they would probably envy you and maybe would want some money from you too.
So you would probably have to invest into security services to find yourself more "safe".


You know, I think you bring up really good points, particularly about security, belonging, and insecurity.

Having grown up in Silicon Valley, there is no shortage of tech millionaires around me. They tend to live in the expensive towns of the area, where neighbors probably don't care too much about how big one's check book is, because their checkbook is pretty large as well. I'm not sure if this happened because they sought out "belonging" and "security", or simply because they wanted a big ol' house.
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