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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
December 22 2011 22:43 GMT
#21
On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!

How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.


if he's losing to them they're better

Doesn't work like that though =P
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
KillerUnit
Profile Joined April 2011
United States49 Posts
December 22 2011 22:50 GMT
#22
As of right now I'm in a similar situation. I started out this season in Master's league with a record of 2-9 which frustrated me. After losing 4 games in a row I decided to take a break to clear my head and won the next 2 games I played. The next day I did not think at all about all the games I lost the day before. Instead, I kept a level head and treated this day no different than any other. I wound up going 4-1 even though I was still playing the same caliber of players due to the fact that I did not keep myself on tilt. Even after I took a break I was playing much cleaner and more confidently. Losing streaks can really drive you crazy especially if you are on tilt. The best thing you can do is take a break and come back if you want to play more that day or just wait until the next day and make sure you do not think about the day before. Mentality is one of the most important factors to winning especially in a new league. Hope my insight can be of use to you. Good luck and have fun.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6592 Posts
December 22 2011 22:54 GMT
#23
On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!

How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.


if he's losing to them they're better

Doesn't work like that though =P


if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does.

Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
December 22 2011 22:58 GMT
#24
On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!

How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.


if he's losing to them they're better

Doesn't work like that though =P


if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does.

Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually

You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...".
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
December 22 2011 23:07 GMT
#25
HAhahahaha keep telling yourself that.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 22 2011 23:09 GMT
#26
On December 23 2011 07:58 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!

How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.


if he's losing to them they're better

Doesn't work like that though =P


if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does.

Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually

You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...".


TO BE FAIR, being able to hold off cheese IS a skill. If someone is able to cheese you and win every game, that person is better than you. That being said, it's entirely possible that Z-dawg is just having some off days, and playing with some practice partners before going back to the ladder is just what the doctor ordered.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
December 22 2011 23:19 GMT
#27
Dude hang in there, since this season began I've gone from playing low masters to high plat, and am now back up to almost breaking through to master league (I'm diamond btw). I've been playing like mad, and just keeping a cool head and resisting the urge to all-in out of frustration are key. Good luck!
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 23:28:47
December 22 2011 23:23 GMT
#28
On December 23 2011 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 07:58 Djzapz wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:
On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!

How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.


if he's losing to them they're better

Doesn't work like that though =P


if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does.

Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually

You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...".


TO BE FAIR, being able to hold off cheese IS a skill. If someone is able to cheese you and win every game, that person is better than you. That being said, it's entirely possible that Z-dawg is just having some off days, and playing with some practice partners before going back to the ladder is just what the doctor ordered.

For what it's worth, I agree that if someone manages to beat me in a BO9 only by cheesing, they're better than me. However, if I lose one ladder game to cheese, there's no way to tell if they're better than me. Even if I lose one good 25 minutes game against them, sure perhaps they played better, but that's not enough to say they're the better player. Might have been an off day, might be their best MU and my worst... There are plenty of reasons.

And as far as cheese goes, drooling idiots can scrub their way up to masters by 6pooling and cannonrushing, being completely aware that they're consistently beating players who would destroy them in Bo3's.

I hate to sound like I'm making up excuses - perhaps I am a little bit, but my main point is that it's hard to know who's the "better player" overall. It really is. This guy who destroyed me in PvP 4 out of 5 times couldn't even dream of having my PvZ and PvT - was he a better player than me? I don't know... Doesn't seem like it to me.

On December 23 2011 08:07 Chef wrote:
HAhahahaha keep telling yourself that.

We should duke it out Chef. Then I'll get a good laugh
I think your odds are bad.

What's your logic anyway? The person who wins over 50% of the games is always better, so if two people go 1-1 they're exactly as good as each other? That really is an implication of what you're suggesting.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
December 22 2011 23:28 GMT
#29
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
December 22 2011 23:34 GMT
#30
On December 23 2011 08:28 Adebisi wrote:
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving.


I think this might be the best advice (besides my own, which is awesome) in this thread. Just focus on improving and becoming better as a player. In fact, don't even worry about where you are on the ladder-- if you work on improving your play, in time the ladder will come to reflect that.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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PolskaGora
Profile Joined May 2011
United States547 Posts
December 23 2011 00:10 GMT
#31
Yeah man I'm in nearly the same boat, I was high platinum in the beginning of s4 and would face low diamond regularly, winning more of them then losing. I was pretty satisfied with my performance and was hoping on diamond s5 then suddenly I go on a massive losing streak and my MMR drops lower and lower until I leveled out in mid gold... I even lost to a silver once. Then the new season rolls around and I get placed into gold. I was so disappointed in myself... All my friends were getting placed higher and higher and it's sad to watch because whenever I play with them I beat them half the time.
Tracking treasure down
Mr.Rager
Profile Joined August 2011
United States59 Posts
December 23 2011 00:35 GMT
#32
This sorta thing happened to be me too, except I was sick for a week and I was in gold league. When I got better and started playing again, my play was heavily improved and I started winning every single game. All it takes is a break from the game sometimes
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
December 23 2011 12:36 GMT
#33
On December 23 2011 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2011 08:28 Adebisi wrote:
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving.


I think this might be the best advice (besides my own, which is awesome) in this thread. Just focus on improving and becoming better as a player. In fact, don't even worry about where you are on the ladder-- if you work on improving your play, in time the ladder will come to reflect that.


Yeah between blazing and adebisi I got some good advice and from others too.

Before the season began I was playing top 25 master players with 800-900 points and winning more often than losing. The last two days I lost to diamond players with negative win ratios in S5. So its not just playing people who are better than me and losing. I think in part it was a mental thing.

And yeah cheesing means I played poorly because I couldn't hold it but that doesn't mean the other person played better. Someone finding an out of the way to scout place to put 2 gateways and then coming at my base with double 8 gate zealots doesn't constitute "skill" and being "outplayed" to me Just to be fair.
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