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Don't worry too much it's a standard of improvement. For example, you have overcome obstacles that allowed you to be promoted from diamond to masters. Now you must overcome the new obstacles that await in masters league. Not any drastic problems, just means you need to more carefully evaluate your games and determined what these new obstacles are, and then develop a plan to overcome each one at a time!
Happly laddering. GLHF!
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Hey,
I have had similar or even worse experiences. Take a break, really! Last time I was the verge of masters was the end of season 3, i was climbing in my diamond division and was playing only masters. Then I finally got #1, and decided to play customs (was few days before end of the season, figured would look nice to be #1 at the end of the season). Anyway I accidently played a quick match, lost to a proxy, went on tilt, and lost like 40 games with maybe 5 wins here and there.. ended up like top 50 lol instead of top 8 or #2 if i just let it go..
Anyway its a mix of things. #1 you are playing better players, theres no way around that if your mmr climbs. This is good, as you might lose a bit, but also improve.. #2 you are probably also tilting a bit right now and playing like crap. Dont do what I did, take a few days off, play customs? when your mind is clear go back to ladder, if you feel like ur playing fine, even if you are losing, your mmr will adjust and ull be back to 50% or so soon. + you are improving. If you know you are playing way sub par don't spam ladder, especially if points worry you.
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If it is of any consolation alot of ppl have bad winratio in the beginning of the ladder. I see progamers all the time with more losses than wins
It'll even out later in the season. I remember at the start of season 4 i got really frustrated because i had 7-10 or something then i realized SjoW (and many many others) had even worse stats
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Season resets always bring a shitstorm to my W/L ratio too man.. hang in there 
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Either because I play poorly or I get cheesed
No, no, no. If you lose to cheese, you did play poorly. "Cheese" is the easiest thing in the game to hold off, and if you haven't figured out how, then you deserve to lose.
Also, did you expect it to get easier in a higher league?
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Read up on how each of your (I'm assuming you're \\\ PROTOSS ///) matchups has evolved. Get VODS, get REPLAYS, get BLUE POSTERS OF AWESOMENESS, and try your best to understand how the pros handle / get manhandled by the various crap that has been bringing you down.
Since advice / help me threads are usually clogged with crap, try searching the post history of BLUE POSTERS such as CecilSunkure and friends. I often find individual posts on certain topics to be even more helpful than well-written guides.
Play your games in batches, and avoid tilting at all costs. Playing when mad does nothing for you; watch someone else play.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
When I lose a lot of games in a row, I take a break from ladder for a day or two and play against some friends and practice partners. It's pretty fun, and it's a good way to get rid of tilt. It's still early in the season, so if I were you I'd take a little time off the ladder and play some games where you don't get cheesed to feel a bit better.
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you're 50% win ratio you're exactly where you should be ( in theory)
none the less I know your feeling I was smashing master leaguers a week ago and then one day I just hit inconsistency, ended the season as rank 25 diamond. a week ago I was sure I was on route to promotion.
I guess that's what separates pro gamers and better gamers from casuals though, aside from superior play it'd be consistency
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 23 2011 06:44 Denzil wrote:
you're 50% win ratio you're exactly where you should be ( in theory)
none the less I know your feeling I was smashing master leaguers a week ago and then one day I just hit inconsistency, ended the season as rank 25 diamond. a week ago I was sure I was on route to promotion.
I guess that's what separates pro gamers and better gamers from casuals though, aside from superior play it'd be consistency
21/52 = ~40. He's at a 40% win ratio, which over the course of many games (in this case 52) indicates a slump. This is why I'd recommend he take a break from the ladder.
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On December 23 2011 06:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 06:44 Denzil wrote:
you're 50% win ratio you're exactly where you should be ( in theory)
none the less I know your feeling I was smashing master leaguers a week ago and then one day I just hit inconsistency, ended the season as rank 25 diamond. a week ago I was sure I was on route to promotion.
I guess that's what separates pro gamers and better gamers from casuals though, aside from superior play it'd be consistency 21/52 = ~40. He's at a 40% win ratio, which over the course of many games (in this case 52) indicates a slump. This is why I'd recommend he take a break from the ladder.
shit sorry didn't do the maths, looked pleasingly correct at a glance my bad.
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I've always found my winrate at the start of ladder seasons takes a nosedive, then bounces back. I seem to lose to a lot of random bullshit - maybe people are trying to rush out wins. In any case, once I get more used to it, I start winning at a more normal rate.
Take a break, play some customs, watch your loss replays, and get back into it.
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Yeah ZeromuS you gotta step back from the ladder and play customs for a bit. Play squadron TD, then play some custom Shakuras, etc.
I do it that way when I lose because I am really stressed out about winning and moving up in rank, and losing on the ladder stresses me out because I want to be better than I am. I've often returned to the ladder either later in my gaming session or the next day with a clean slate (flush those losses from your mind because they make you go into the next game being paranoid about having it happen again and that keeps you from concentrating on playing a good game) and gave a much better showing.
Also, I am playing CGs (custom games but still 1v1 melee) more than laddering and the stress is gone. I get apm practice, I can play with clear head, and I save some bonus pool. I used to mass ladder but have found I enjoy this approach much more.
I was mid masters since release (around that level when masters wasn't available), and never practiced with anyone else or was ever coached. Now I am looking into practicing with a few people that are better than me because my previous approach hasn't been working. I suggest finding a few practice partners; a lot of people prefer to practice over laddering because in practice you can hammer out 6 games vs same race on same map in a short period of time and get really good at it.
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Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!
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On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand!
How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.
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MMR doesn't mean skill. Sometimes you'll randomly play against people who are better than you. Losing streaks happen. Sometimes you go on tilt, sleep it off.
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On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing.
if he's losing to them they're better
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During the beginning of the season people tend to cheese alot so you're bound to lose a couple games because of that, as you said you have.
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I took a short break at the end of S 4, and I finished high in my division. I started playing team games off-race for fun. Now that I'm back, its like I forgot how to play the game. I don't think I've won yet this season. I was definitely close to being promoted at the end of S 4 (always playing favored players).
Now I am terrible! Oh well. Just have to keep at it and remember that a couple of days of is good, but more than 5 or so days and it starts to mess with your mechanics.
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On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing. if he's losing to them they're better
Doesn't work like that though =P
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As of right now I'm in a similar situation. I started out this season in Master's league with a record of 2-9 which frustrated me. After losing 4 games in a row I decided to take a break to clear my head and won the next 2 games I played. The next day I did not think at all about all the games I lost the day before. Instead, I kept a level head and treated this day no different than any other. I wound up going 4-1 even though I was still playing the same caliber of players due to the fact that I did not keep myself on tilt. Even after I took a break I was playing much cleaner and more confidently. Losing streaks can really drive you crazy especially if you are on tilt. The best thing you can do is take a break and come back if you want to play more that day or just wait until the next day and make sure you do not think about the day before. Mentality is one of the most important factors to winning especially in a new league. Hope my insight can be of use to you. Good luck and have fun. 
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On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing. if he's losing to them they're better Doesn't work like that though =P
if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does.
Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually
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On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing. if he's losing to them they're better Doesn't work like that though =P if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does. Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually
You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...".
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HAhahahaha keep telling yourself that.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 23 2011 07:58 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing. if he's losing to them they're better Doesn't work like that though =P if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does. Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...".
TO BE FAIR, being able to hold off cheese IS a skill. If someone is able to cheese you and win every game, that person is better than you. That being said, it's entirely possible that Z-dawg is just having some off days, and playing with some practice partners before going back to the ladder is just what the doctor ordered.
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Dude hang in there, since this season began I've gone from playing low masters to high plat, and am now back up to almost breaking through to master league (I'm diamond btw). I've been playing like mad, and just keeping a cool head and resisting the urge to all-in out of frustration are key. Good luck!
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On December 23 2011 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 07:58 Djzapz wrote:On December 23 2011 07:54 OmniEulogy wrote:On December 23 2011 07:43 Djzapz wrote:On December 23 2011 07:39 Divinek wrote:On December 23 2011 07:26 tehemperorer wrote:On December 23 2011 07:23 Chef wrote:
Hey guys I started playing people who are better but now I'm losing more often than I did before, I don't understand! How do you qualify that they're better if he was masters before, is masters now, and mmr was never reset? They're the same people he's been playing. if he's losing to them they're better Doesn't work like that though =P if he's losing to over 50% of them yes it does. Idk just keep playing and tough it out. taking a break will only make you come back and feel like you are moving even slower than before and then you lose even more games. You'll come out of it eventually You can totally lose over 50% of your games to someone while being better than that person. Perhaps they played better - maybe not as luck does exist and cheese too. Winning doesn't equate to "being better than...". TO BE FAIR, being able to hold off cheese IS a skill. If someone is able to cheese you and win every game, that person is better than you. That being said, it's entirely possible that Z-dawg is just having some off days, and playing with some practice partners before going back to the ladder is just what the doctor ordered.
For what it's worth, I agree that if someone manages to beat me in a BO9 only by cheesing, they're better than me. However, if I lose one ladder game to cheese, there's no way to tell if they're better than me. Even if I lose one good 25 minutes game against them, sure perhaps they played better, but that's not enough to say they're the better player. Might have been an off day, might be their best MU and my worst... There are plenty of reasons.
And as far as cheese goes, drooling idiots can scrub their way up to masters by 6pooling and cannonrushing, being completely aware that they're consistently beating players who would destroy them in Bo3's.
I hate to sound like I'm making up excuses - perhaps I am a little bit, but my main point is that it's hard to know who's the "better player" overall. It really is. This guy who destroyed me in PvP 4 out of 5 times couldn't even dream of having my PvZ and PvT - was he a better player than me? I don't know... Doesn't seem like it to me.
On December 23 2011 08:07 Chef wrote:
HAhahahaha keep telling yourself that.
We should duke it out Chef. Then I'll get a good laugh 
I think your odds are bad.
What's your logic anyway? The person who wins over 50% of the games is always better, so if two people go 1-1 they're exactly as good as each other? That really is an implication of what you're suggesting.
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Canada1637 Posts
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving.
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Blazinghand
United States25553 Posts
On December 23 2011 08:28 Adebisi wrote:
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving.
I think this might be the best advice (besides my own, which is awesome) in this thread. Just focus on improving and becoming better as a player. In fact, don't even worry about where you are on the ladder-- if you work on improving your play, in time the ladder will come to reflect that.
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Yeah man I'm in nearly the same boat, I was high platinum in the beginning of s4 and would face low diamond regularly, winning more of them then losing. I was pretty satisfied with my performance and was hoping on diamond s5 then suddenly I go on a massive losing streak and my MMR drops lower and lower until I leveled out in mid gold... I even lost to a silver once. Then the new season rolls around and I get placed into gold. I was so disappointed in myself... All my friends were getting placed higher and higher and it's sad to watch because whenever I play with them I beat them half the time.
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This sorta thing happened to be me too, except I was sick for a week and I was in gold league. When I got better and started playing again, my play was heavily improved and I started winning every single game. All it takes is a break from the game sometimes
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Canada13389 Posts
On December 23 2011 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 08:28 Adebisi wrote:
I spent most of season 4 below 50% win rate, don't worry about your win rate, worry about how high on the ladder you are, and if you're actually improving. I think this might be the best advice (besides my own, which is awesome) in this thread. Just focus on improving and becoming better as a player. In fact, don't even worry about where you are on the ladder-- if you work on improving your play, in time the ladder will come to reflect that.
Yeah between blazing and adebisi I got some good advice and from others too.
Before the season began I was playing top 25 master players with 800-900 points and winning more often than losing. The last two days I lost to diamond players with negative win ratios in S5. So its not just playing people who are better than me and losing. I think in part it was a mental thing.
And yeah cheesing means I played poorly because I couldn't hold it but that doesn't mean the other person played better. Someone finding an out of the way to scout place to put 2 gateways and then coming at my base with double 8 gate zealots doesn't constitute "skill" and being "outplayed" to me Just to be fair.
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