• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:15
CET 10:15
KST 18:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0254LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Terran AddOns placement Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly) WardiTV Team League Season 10 RSL Season 4 announced for March-April The Dave Testa Open #11
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026] Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 TvZ is the most complete match up Soma Explains: JD's Unrelenting Aggro vs FlaSh BW General Discussion CasterMuse Youtube
Tourneys
[LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 ASL Season 21 Qualifiers March 7-8 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason New broswer game : STG-World
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Mexico's Drug War
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
YOUTUBE VIDEO
XenOsky
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1574 users

GIitC: Dealing with failure

Blogs > Koibu0
Post a Reply
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-18 23:48:29
December 18 2011 23:46 GMT
#1
One thing that never fails to happen as I try to get more involved in the community, is failure.

Plans are always falling apart, people are always bailing on me, and ideas don't work out like I'd like them to. For example, I chatted with a certain MLG employee (who shall remain nameless) about SC2Ratings, and he was very interested in the idea. We emailed back and forth a few times which ended up with him saying he was going to give me a phone call to talk about stuff. Day of the phone call, I send him a short reminder about it, but I never hear from him. I shoot him another email asking if we can reschedule, and I get no response. At all. We had concrete plans, (date, time, activity, and all the information needed to complete it), and even had a reminder, but he completely blew me off.

OK, no big deal, shit happens. At the next MLG (a few weeks later) I swing by and ask to talk to him, but get the response (from the person that went to ask find him for me) that he's too busy. Of course he's busy, I get it, not a problem. I certainly don't want to be the guy who bothers staff when they have stuff to do, but if you don't keep trying, you'll never get anywhere. So I check back the next day and then once more on the third day. Each time, too busy.

The problem I face, when dealing with stuff like this, is that if I just take the hint that he doesn't want to talk, and back off, I'll never get anywhere. On the other hand, if I keep pushing when he's throwing out "stay the fuck away", I'll just damage my relationship with the organization. It's a very fine line that needs to be walked - one the one hand you need to be assertive and get the attention of people, but on the other hand you have to make sure you don't come off as annoying. Once somebody thinks you're just a pest, they'll never talk to you again.

Another example of failure that happens, aside from people blowing me off, is when other people try to hold up their end, but don't do it well. They half ass things. The best example I can come up with, and forgive me for discussing this publicly, is when somebody first offered to help with the site. It was during an MLG, and he said he'd get all the information up. So, we walked though how to add matches to the system, how to define the players, etc. On day of (while I was at MLG, so I couldn't update things), I created the information for the season, and it went live. Well, he only added a few matches - not everything. When I get back, and take a look at the site, I find that for the last 3 days, the MLG brackets were about 20% filled.

If we're going to be tracking tournaments, and adding information as things happen, we need to stay on top of it. How bad does it look when 3 days after an event is over, a site has some of the information, but not all of it? Yes, it's not the end of the world, but people are going to stick to sites that do have all the information they need. So yeah, I was pretty pissed, explained it to him, and revoked his ability to add stuff.

This is an example of me failing, not the guy who offered to help. I should have walked him through the process better, made sure he understood how to do it. I also should have impressed upon him the importance of doing the whole tournament, and not just part of it. If I had taken the time to talk more, either he would have done everything, or would have let me know that he couldn't, in which case we wouldn't have had anything up for that MLG until I got back. Much better to not include something, than to include it poorly.

(BTW: In the end, everything worked out with this guy, and now he's becoming an important member of our team)

There are more examples of this failure, things like unmet expectations, failure to draw enough users, people going back on their word, etc., but this is getting kind of long so just trust me that I've met with no end of problems, delays, and utter failures.

When things do not work out, you have to keep trying. Don't take 'No' for an answer. Talking to the guy at MLG not working? Shit. Better try a different MLG employee. Still not working? Well, lets go talk to IPL. They don't want anything to do with me? How about NASL? Change the tactics, change the approach, find somebody to vouch for you, whatever it takes, just KEEP TRYING.

The hard part is having the will to continue with it feels like you're facing a brick wall. Thankfully, I was born with the stubbornness of a mule - I just keep trying, and pretend that it doesn't hurt when things don't work out.

**
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 19 2011 00:50 GMT
#2
Just try and try until you succeed.

Fortune favors the persistent.
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiG Sty Festival
09:00
PiGFest 7 Playoffs Day 2
Reynor vs Clem
ShowTime vs SHIN
PiGStarcraft813
3DClanTV 45
IndyStarCraft 14
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft813
FoxeR 97
Rex 52
BRAT_OK 47
IndyStarCraft 14
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 26574
Rain 1315
GuemChi 1097
Jaedong 533
Larva 303
Sharp 180
Leta 148
ggaemo 146
Dewaltoss 146
Light 144
[ Show more ]
BeSt 90
Terrorterran 12
Dota 2
XaKoH 696
NeuroSwarm122
League of Legends
JimRising 535
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1262
kRYSTAL_8
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor122
Other Games
singsing1248
B2W.Neo299
C9.Mang0275
mouzStarbuck123
Mew2King41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick773
Counter-Strike
PGL347
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 306
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1060
• Stunt887
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
45m
OSC
1h 45m
SC Evo Complete
4h 15m
DaveTesta Events
9h
AI Arena Tournament
10h 45m
Replay Cast
14h 45m
PiG Sty Festival
23h 45m
Maru vs TBD
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-26
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 21: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 21: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
CSLAN 4
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.