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On December 14 2011 08:46 wolverinehokie wrote:Me too and here's why (besides his response). + Show Spoiler +In his group for the final match he was against DRG. If he won he'd get #2 in his group and if he lost he'd get #3. Neither position matters since 2 and 3 both have to play a first round match. I kept thinking MC doesn't even have to try because it doesn't matter to him, but there is no question he still went all out trying to defeat DRG. He could have gg way earlier, but tried his hardest to come back and for a couple minutes it looked like him might beat DRG. Anyway, yesterday before this even happened, I had so much respect for MC playing the games out.
Yeah, I'm glad I got to watch MC vs. DRG then chose to go to sleep.
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On December 14 2011 07:21 PanN wrote:
MC has fail logic.
Leaving vs someone when 3-0 vs someone 0-3 is way more rude than leaving when both are out anyway.
Not really. The logic is the same. The game won't matter since one is already secured #1 (as he stated) and the other has been eliminated already.
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It's AMAZING it has been blown out to this proportion.
What the fuck is wrong with all of you? It's such a trivial concern. You missed out on one game? Like we aren't spoilt for content as it is.
Also, Koreans are god-damned cowards, that's pretty evident.
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did I miss the shitstorm of threads when idra didnt show up to a placement match at mlg (wouldve earnt abit of extra cash) or is naniwa getting special treatment again?
anyway the probe rush was fucken hilarious. the match meant nothing, atleast we got some shock value out of it
would rather have the naniwa v nestea rematch in a set of games (not a single game..) where they actually had something to play for
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On December 14 2011 09:50 Circos wrote:
It's AMAZING it has been blown out to this proportion.
What the fuck is wrong with all of you? It's such a trivial concern. You missed out on one game? Like we aren't spoilt for content as it is.
Also, Koreans are god-damned cowards, that's pretty evident.
People who have passion for the game take shit seriously.
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On December 14 2011 09:50 Circos wrote:
It's AMAZING it has been blown out to this proportion.
What the fuck is wrong with all of you? It's such a trivial concern. You missed out on one game? Like we aren't spoilt for content as it is.
Also, Koreans are god-damned cowards, that's pretty evident.
If only pro-gaming wasn't a job...
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I don't think this is anything to get worked up about. Nani played his heart out in the first 3 games, and when he lost, he didn't want to waste time on a game that was completely meaningless. Imo the koreans were the ones who made them selves look bad with their yucky reactions. Naniwa deserves to be a progamer, and throwing a meaningless game should be no big deal at all.
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the amount of people seeing it as "omfg calm down nerds its just a game" or blatant naniwa fanboys is actually shocking
the fact of the matter is, they are PRO-GAMERS
pro-gamers
professional
you don't pull this kind of shit in the professional world if you wanna be taken seriously. naniwa got a spot in the coveted blizzard cup and made a mockery out of it
"just another tournament for me" indeed
of course koreans are gonna take this seriously, their passion for the scene is inspiring even if their crowds arent as loud/energetic as foreign ones.
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Personally, I thought it was funny and not the least bit upsetting, but fully respect the pros that were like, "WTF". Especially MKP, his reaction just made me sad 
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Wow, MKP reaction is really heartbreaking T_T
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Why is this situation lamer then, when Idra played 2 roach all-ins against MC and knew he cant win, and after that he whined about imbalace a little bit??? And that one wasn't a pointless game like this. Though I understand the people who get upset, just dont understand why is it such a biger deal then anything else.
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On December 14 2011 09:21 Milkis wrote:
It's worth noting choya got a ton of shit for his tweet
A wild milkis appears!
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Whoever it was tweeting on the MVP official twitter (I assume the coach) lost all my respect. Even more unprofessional than Naniwa deciding not to play out the game. What I think re: Naniwa's decision? "What a joke." What I think about the MVP coach? "What a fucking asshole."
Also, I like Choya, but he really shouldn't be saying anything given his record.
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On December 13 2011 22:20 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 22:19 0ne wrote:
Isn't coca out of code S for throwing meaningless game in an online tournament? byun is also sitting out of gsl for it
Being given a Code A spot isn't at all meaningless
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At first I understood naniwa's decision, whatever the result of the match would not benefit him in any way.
However, after reading the Korean's tweets, I feel ashamed for feeling that way. And Naniwa, who is an actual pro-gamer must feel even more ashamed. MC, Nestea, Mvp, and the others who tweeted, you can see they are really passionate about the game.
Sure, Naniwa always talks about wanting to be the best, isn't this also passion? I believe "passion" is something extra, not solely competitiveness and the drive to win. And when I describe MC, Nestea, Mvp as passionate, I am not talking about their multiple GSL trophies. By that I mean their love of the game, community, and what being a pro-gamer and sitting in the booth means to them.
It seems growing up in Korea, they witnessed pro-gaming in its infancy, and appreciate everything that it has become. While naniwa is like the spoiled kid from rich parents who's vision is narrowed toward only things that can benefit him. E-sports started as sharing the thrill of competition to others. Let's not lose our roots.
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On December 14 2011 07:28 zatic wrote:
Is this a misconception or are these unusually harsh reactions by public Korean figures?
I reckon they're being clever and massively exaggerating their discontent to manufacture drama, the goal being to create villains and rivalries and make esports more entertaining in a WWE kind of way. i bet it'll also work too, i am certainly popcorn.jpg-ing it up while glancing this thread and will have that much more interest now when i follow the next naniwa match in a major tournament against any korean that's at all close to the big name 'haters'
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I'm guessing he won't do this again just because I'm sure all of the trouble wasn't worth it. I really didn't see any problem with him throwing the game. There are players in many sports that get emotional don't always conduct themselves with the utmost professionalism. This might be annoying to some fans but it also provides uncertainty and an entertainment factor as well. This wouldn't have even been considered a "grudge" match if Naniwa hadn't lipped off earlier about Nestea. If this isn't being marketed for its entertainment value, then I think that it should be. I don't even have a take on Naniwa here, but there are good guys and bad guys in life, so why not starcraft?
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Lol @ MVP House's comment. Not surprised no one liked him there. They finally have a chance to make it public.
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Agree with MKP. Plenty who maybe derserve/ will cherish the opportunity squandered, imo, by naniwa by forfeting.
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How can you guys say "I really didn't see any problem with him throwing the game." To throw a game.. for nothing other than your emotions... it's disrespectful to not only your opponent and your fans, but to yourself. What about all the people who cheer you on? I heard that GGplay (who was dirt poor) once personally paid for one of his fans to come to his match.
The BW proscene (esports) is something built on the passion of the players, love of the game, and the dedication of fans. Generations of progamers have given up proper education, reasonable sleeping quarters, and lived off ramen for years to play the game they love and fans come from all over the world and create amazing communities and events (Teamliquid) to support their favorites. Literally building from nothing, Starcraft manged to create established, professional gaming purely through the sweat and tears of players and fans.
Even in more established sports, you don't see this kind of shoddy sportsmanship. If you don't play because you love the game and for the fans who idolize you, you're not a progamer. If Naniwa didn't play because he didn't want to "waste his time", that implies that to him, gaming without monetary reward is a waste of time. What a joke of a progamer.
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