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On December 14 2011 10:41 kineticSYN wrote:
the amount of people seeing it as "omfg calm down nerds its just a game" or blatant naniwa fanboys is actually shocking
the fact of the matter is, they are PRO-GAMERS
pro-gamers
professional
you don't pull this kind of shit in the professional world if you wanna be taken seriously. naniwa got a spot in the coveted blizzard cup and made a mockery out of it
"just another tournament for me" indeed
of course koreans are gonna take this seriously, their passion for the scene is inspiring even if their crowds arent as loud/energetic as foreign ones.
Just like Hawthorn in the AFL took their B team to The Gold Coast in their round 24 match, their ladder position was locked so why risk key players to a no meaning game. Very unprofessional of them.
How many pro sports teams have tanked for draft picks? Lots of them.
I'm generally indifferent to Nani's experience but to all the people who said he doesn't deserve to be there etc etc... YES HE DOES, HE EARNED THAT SPOT. IF SOMEONE ELSE DESERVED IT MORE THEY WOULD OF BEATEN HIM.
It's got nothing to do with being a fanboy or anything along those lines, it's about applying some common sense to the situation and not acting like a bunch of spoiled prats.
It's this kind of rable rable rable pitchfork out mentality that really turns people off esports.
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On December 14 2011 13:58 PraiseB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:41 kineticSYN wrote:
the amount of people seeing it as "omfg calm down nerds its just a game" or blatant naniwa fanboys is actually shocking
the fact of the matter is, they are PRO-GAMERS
pro-gamers
professional
you don't pull this kind of shit in the professional world if you wanna be taken seriously. naniwa got a spot in the coveted blizzard cup and made a mockery out of it
"just another tournament for me" indeed
of course koreans are gonna take this seriously, their passion for the scene is inspiring even if their crowds arent as loud/energetic as foreign ones. Just like Hawthorn in the AFL took their B team to The Gold Coast in their round 24 match, their ladder position was locked so why risk key players to a no meaning game. Very unprofessional of them. How many pro sports teams have tanked for draft picks? Lots of them. I'm generally indifferent to Nani's experience but to all the people who said he doesn't deserve to be there etc etc... YES HE DOES, HE EARNED THAT SPOT. IF SOMEONE ELSE DESERVED IT MORE THEY WOULD OF BEATEN HIM. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboy or anything along those lines, it's about applying some common sense to the situation and not acting like a bunch of spoiled prats. It's this kind of rable rable rable pitchfork out mentality that really turns people off esports.
Like I just said, those teams have a clear goal when they throw games. Naniwa didn't play because he felt like it. Instead of feeling sorry for himself, maybe he should think of how sad his fans are and play all harder for them.
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On December 14 2011 13:58 PraiseB wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 10:41 kineticSYN wrote:
the amount of people seeing it as "omfg calm down nerds its just a game" or blatant naniwa fanboys is actually shocking
the fact of the matter is, they are PRO-GAMERS
pro-gamers
professional
you don't pull this kind of shit in the professional world if you wanna be taken seriously. naniwa got a spot in the coveted blizzard cup and made a mockery out of it
"just another tournament for me" indeed
of course koreans are gonna take this seriously, their passion for the scene is inspiring even if their crowds arent as loud/energetic as foreign ones. Just like Hawthorn in the AFL took their B team to The Gold Coast in their round 24 match, their ladder position was locked so why risk key players to a no meaning game. Very unprofessional of them. How many pro sports teams have tanked for draft picks? Lots of them. I'm generally indifferent to Nani's experience but to all the people who said he doesn't deserve to be there etc etc... YES HE DOES, HE EARNED THAT SPOT. IF SOMEONE ELSE DESERVED IT MORE THEY WOULD OF BEATEN HIM. It's got nothing to do with being a fanboy or anything along those lines, it's about applying some common sense to the situation and not acting like a bunch of spoiled prats. It's this kind of rable rable rable pitchfork out mentality that really turns people off esports.
Team sport is different than individual/team. You think people in Golf tournaments who clearly can not get 1st will tank it? Arguably they do not since the prize pool is distributed a bit better. And you have fans to play for and hope to do better next time for them.
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Huh, the Korean response isn't as harsh as I thought it would be. Guess because it's the progamers and coaches being quoted in this thread, and they're restraining themselves. Need to see some actual netizen reactions 
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I just wished he had played. I expected a sweet rematch of Nestea vs. Naniwa and he pulled that. I just don't understand why, none of his excuses or his teams do justice..
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back then MKP do Marine all-in in GSL final. Idra leaves the game bcuz of a stupid Bunker in front. those games have more on the line than Naniwa vs Nestea. but how come this one got so much responds by people. he just doing what is in everyone mind. you know you'll do it if you were in his position.
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Throwing the match is pretty lame, but i understand his position nobody really wants to play a consolation game for nothing after some hard losses. nestea is being victimized and thats really why i cant take this to seriously, people are just turning it into a sob story and being way to sensitive as usual. It was a meaningless match and shouldn't have even been played in the first place.
In real sports pros do a lot worse shit to each other verbally and physically, tank games for draft picks etc. This wont hurt ESPORTS at all, that cry is getting really old to because every little damn incident that happens gets blown out of proportion and everyone runs around with megaphones screaming about the end of esports. You know those crazy people who walk around with signs about how the world is going to end next week because some guy on the radio said so, thats what this community looks like every time something happens.
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Canada58 Posts
Totally agree with the comments, Naniwa is a total douche for what he did.
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Does Naniwa have Asperger's or something? He seems so awkward and oblivious to social norms sometimes.
And I reeeeeeeally need to stay away from these nestea/naniwa threads, I always leave annoyed -_-
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Gotta love Naniwas logic: He knew he wasn't going to play his best and satisfy his fans so he decides to A move his probes into his opponents base. Yeah, you know cause THAT won't be incredibly disappointing for the fan base.
He should have just 4 gated like he said and yeah, there probably wouldn't be anywhere near this kind of reaction. Yes, in principle, throwing the game with a 4 gate is the same as throwing it with the probe rush. But a probe rush is about one micron away from just plain leaving the game the moment it starts. There is a minimum of effort expected from the fans, especially the korean ones who would have stepped over their own MOTHER to have been in Naniwas position.
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omg mkp <3
choya and the coaches....
they seem like they already hated naniwa and were waiting to say this...
its none of their business... esp choya wtf.
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So the koreans are mad that a foreigner demonstrated another shift in the meta-game? There is no need to be so jealous, this isn't brood war.
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On December 14 2011 18:56 Amlitzer wrote:
So the koreans are mad that a foreigner demonstrated another shift in the meta-game? There is no need to be so jealous, this isn't brood war.
Nal_Ra was probe rushing before it was cool. lol
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Would'nt it be boring if there were no characters like naniwa in sc2? i think that he is very entertaining on his own way.. You need some guys that are out of normal
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It's so ironic that these guys are calling him out as unprofessional in public statements. How professional is shit-slinging? It's a damn shame that some players I really respected have acted like that. MVP was what I would have called my favorite SC2 team. It is appalling that they stooped to this level.
There is so much drama that being an ESPORTS fan is like standing in line at an American supermarket. Tabloid bullshit all around you and that one parent can't shut their obnoxious kids up.
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On December 13 2011 21:30 Waxangel wrote:
@oGsMC: I was really lost for words after watching today's game. Does he even know what the word "pro" is? My role model for professionalism is White-Ra. He really loves his fans, and doesn't give up his games until the end, and he's very mannered towards everyone. Does anyone dislike White-Ra?
I hope Naniwa can look at White-Ra and change his mentality. I don't think it's right to do that, not considering your opponent at all. I wish he'd think about how he would have felt if I had gone 3-0 and confirmed #1 in my group, and he was 0-3, and I thought that since I'm 1st place nothing matters and just GG'd out of my game against him.
Well, if you there's no big deal because there's no money on the the line, then I can't say anything to that, you're just not a pro. After seeing Naniwa, I thought HerO was all the more awesome for being so upset about losing his games yesterday.
Wow, MC's response is best out of all of these IMO. He doesn't even have to resort to nasty language to make naniwa look like a fool.
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You cannot say that he isn't a pro or does't deserve it, for he is a great player.
But this is disrespectful, and shows that he doesn't possess the mentality of the best in the world.
Nani, shape up! Don't pull that stuff, people will get so aggravated.
NesTea, sorry for having to practice so hard in vain, but at least be happy that you are more humble than your opponent.
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I would really like to know wether Nani tried to evade the last game and was "forced" to play, or if he didnt even try to get away from the match. Throwing a game like that, in a tournament of that caliber, when you know that you're depending on sponsors and that you are part of a team, a larger body of people who you represent, is quite silly. Having followed Nani for quite some time, I still cant shake the feeling of dissapointment, altough this is who he is.
A quickie to all those people comparing it to throwing games in other sports, I hope you have considered that this was an invitational tournament (as people have said before) and that the hype was huge (atleast for me and my friends) to see the "greatest players" duking it out. It was highly focused on the spectators and in my humble oppinion the players should understand that.
I am very glad that Nani said he was sorry in the interview, and I dont think the punishment is too harsh (unless its a permanent ban, which Id really hate to see). Cant help to love him for who he is, but I dont agree with what he did.
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Dominican Republic39 Posts
Im glad they just give him and everyone else a lesson, you got fans, and lots of viewers, you have to play even if you will not get money for it, it was just one free game!.. that's why they label him as a money hunter...
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