EPTNestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 38
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 14 2011 03:40 Thurokiir wrote: What did they decide? I wasn't aware there was anything to decide about. They decided to never invite Naniwa to invitational tournaments. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6667 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:56 Prplppleatr wrote: They decided to never invite Naniwa to invitational tournaments. So they decided not to invite a player after he threw away a game in one of their most hyped tournaments? I don't see how that is a terrible reaction? Why would they pay a player who potentially is not going to actually play? seems like a pretty legit reaction to me. | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:02 Necro)Phagist( wrote: So they decided not to invite a player after he threw away a game in one of their most hyped tournaments? I don't see how that is a terrible reaction? Why would they pay a player who potentially is not going to actually play? seems like a pretty legit reaction to me. I should have chosen my words more careful, I meant that I do not believe it was smart. It is legit, as you say, but i do not believe it was smart. But it is their tournament, my reaction is that I am no longer going to support them, to each their own. | ||
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Acidosis
United States172 Posts
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lagspike_
Canada3 Posts
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pwnasaurus
Canada190 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:47 lagspike_ wrote: ask Coca what throwing games gets you. Are you seriously retarded? He threw a game that had a seriously important outcome with respect to the tournament. This game meant literally NOTHING. Nothing at ALL. If you can't see the difference, then frankly you're a moron. | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:59 ArchDC wrote: A lot of players would kill to be able to show their skill in a live televised game against Nestea. True it is not a match of significance, but the opportunity to play televised games to the world against a GSL champ should always be grabbed fully. Then these players should be winning more tournaments. Naniwa was invited because he won the MLG Global Invitational, he wasn't just invited out of kindness. To you Nestea may be a SC2 god, but you forget that Naniwa has beaten him in 2 bo3's prior to this. | ||
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Villi
Norway49 Posts
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syntox
Australia26 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:14 MrDudeMan wrote: Then these players should be winning more tournaments. Naniwa was invited because he won the MLG Global Invitational, he wasn't just invited out of kindness. To you Nestea may be a SC2 god, but you forget that Naniwa has beaten him in 2 bo3's prior to this. And you think that makes him more deserving than the korean players who consistenly perform in the gsl but don't have the money to travel to overseas tournaments, where the competition is easier? GOMTV clearly set up the blizzard cup invites as to allow for more foreigner vs korean matches, and Naniwa just disrespects them by not trying to play his best in all of his games. | ||
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TicketoHELL
Canada368 Posts
it would have just been hardcore gamers playing at their house Esports was made due to the support of the fans fans want to be entertained and the pro players are the entertainer what Naniwa did was not at all entertaining whatsoever it doesnt matter whether the game had any importance fans wanted to watch a starcraft game to be entertained not this random probe rush | ||
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Prplppleatr
United States1518 Posts
On December 14 2011 05:24 Prplppleatr wrote: I should have chosen my words more careful, I meant that I do not believe it was smart. It is legit, as you say, but i do not believe it was smart. But it is their tournament, my reaction is that I am no longer going to support them, to each their own. To elaborate, here is a post I made in the other topic: On December 14 2011 06:35 Prplppleatr wrote: I agree, silly as well as dumb. As someone has said, and as i have said, look at the the controversy/PR/entertainment this has got. For GOM to say they will never invite him is the same as shooting themselves in the foot, i mean think of how much hype korean v naniwa matches are going to get now..why would you say such a harsh thing, why not something like, "we will be modifying our rules to take actions such as this into account when inviting players to tournaments" then you aren't even singling Naniwa out and it sends a message to ALL progamers, not just Naniwa. The way they are handling this is simply singling him out which is WRONG. It is the act that people are mad about, not the person. Once again, Terrible decision that was not smart. You have lost my support GOM. | ||
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Sa1Nt
Serbia15 Posts
On December 13 2011 23:38 MildSeven wrote: Understanding this from the Korean perspective, what Naniwa did was absolutely taboo, because of the long Korean tradition and emphasis on trying your best even when it didn't affect results. Consider this, what would Boxer or NaDa do, look at HerO as well, trying his hardest even though he ended up 0-4 anyways. I personally can understand the rationale behind Naniwa's move, but if we look at this from a broader scope of what Esports means to the Korean culture, what the integrity of each game is to them, then this is more serious than it seems. I think it's also really sad many people here replied things such as "fuck esports mainstream bullshit", or "are you mad?" (to those who frown upon Naniwa's actions) and supporting Naniwa's actions in the most cliche "he's so badass, i am so counter-culture for supporting him"-attitude. I for one really enjoying each and every game, even when not much is on the line, because when I watch the GSL, i usually know for a fact that players do try even when nothing much is on the line. Like MC fighting his little heart out against DRG even though he would have gone through either way. Also, what naniwa did can't be compared to the actions of Coca, because it was completely on his own will, he didn't consult with Nestea about throwing the match, etc, it was the spur of the moment stupid decision, nonetheless still a decision in very unprofessional and poor taste. This game is a competitive professional game, and it really does matter, I can't believe some people would argue that it's ok to do an action such as this. Would Nadal and Federer just double-fault all day in a exhibition match just to get it over with because it doesn't matter of the results? No, because professional competitive sports/games is about performance for the fans as well, you go in with the dignity of acknowledging that, many foreigners don't have as much respect for starcraft on the same level because of their ignorance of how Koreans percieve coompetitive gaming as a whole. The international scene may have more money, but it's clear from the responses of many people here that the prestige and essence of the game still lies in Korea where the game intrinsically matters more than just a few groups of cliche highschool kids going "u mad? lolololol". +1, great post! User was warned for this post | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
Aww...... DON'T WORRY MKP! YOUR TIME IS COMING SOON! | ||
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:39 Prplppleatr wrote: To elaborate, here is a post I made in the other topic: You could say that while this has brought "PR" (in the form of controversy) to GOM, its whether they see the idea of all PR (whether good or bad) as being good for their business. As much as it may seem "fine" now, what if Naniwa does this at other invitational tournament (at group stages) he's invited to. While this may draw in more people overseas, it doesn't bode well with the korean people and culture especially since it is one area that SC2 growth is lacking. Personally I would give Naniwa a very harsh warning but not exclude him from potential future events. The tweets on Naniwa from oGsMC gives a good indication of my opinion on the matter too. | ||
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zOula...
United States898 Posts
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Wallstreet11
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Funny thing is that all those who cry and say "thats not a professional" and "a professional should do yada yada etc etc..."... I hope those are the same guys that would like to see rigged Don King matches or has nothing against WWC or what it´s called? Personally I hate all fake things when it comes to things or sports I love like SC2, Football and Ice Hockey. I want to see REAL matches when you know it´s A game vs A game, top of the elite vs top of the elite. I don´t have much for friendlys in either sport. Cheeze rushes and that kind of thing is also boring cause it´s often build order "luck". I remember idra talking with Artosis about who are good in the GSL. He said things like "player X only does cheezy all ins but he is terrible" about a code S Terran. That imho Isn´t real entertaining SC2 skill to me and according to idras twitter he is on the same line. He might as well have been 6 pooled himself and I would think it was as shitty a game as a probe rush. The fact that so many korean players from different teams whine about this makes it even better. Like the official MVP Twitter being outraged about how Nestea trained etc... It´s so obvious that all the Korean pro gamers have their own little club when it comes to bashing foreigners... I see it as the korean teams getting together and training with Nestea just to beat the Foreigner who took down the two Korean multiple GSL champs and now prepared furiously to restore Korean pride vs Naniwa or something. When Naniwa who wasn´t taking it seriously and ofc was tilted just probe rushed he made it impossible for the Korean hero to take any real revenge on the upstart foreigner and thus the Korean scene cried together. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
On December 14 2011 06:53 zOula... wrote: Naniwas actions have embarassed the foreign community and make me feel sick. I can't believe he would show such disrespect. He deserves to be banned from GOM tournaments, as his actions reflect his poor mental state and attitude. Frankly I think he should consider retiring after this wow. | ||
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Aakoz
Sweden45 Posts
And all Naniwas games were so freaking close I can imagine him being pissed after those games! I would be too! You are defiently still the number 1 foreign player Naniwa ! For sure ! | ||
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