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On December 14 2011 02:37 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:30 Flowjo wrote:On December 14 2011 02:27 UBavarice wrote:
The tweets from MKP and GuineaPig brilliantly exposes Naniwa for what he really is: A selfish prick.
I don't think he should be punished officially in any way since what he did isn't disallowed, I believe, in any way by the tournament.
His sense of proffesionalism is just laughable, though. I feel like it's a combination of Naniwa's lack of social skills (as in I do whatever the fuck I feel like) and his lack of understanding of the Korean Culture and the GSL.... it's just wrong imo to do that to the Casters, the Producers, the Viewers... but, still I'm sure Naniwa isn't as bad as he looks, it's just he's really really really really bad at anything that involves human interaction including playing games lol Yes, I agree. Maybe the best course of action in this case would have been for the tournament not to pursue meaningless games to be played.
Well, though a system of meaningless games can be bad, you also have to remember he signed up to play all the games... and while technically he did... it's not what we wanted... what anyone wanted really.
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On December 13 2011 21:34 valaki wrote:
I'm glad koreans don't find it funny. Because it isn't.
@TSLJYP: LOLOLOLOLOL x 140 characters
@MVPKeeN: LOLOLOLOLOLOL x Slightly fewer characters
@FXOChoya: [Can't believe] that kind of bastard is a pro-gamer.
LOLOLOL I can I do is laugh
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I was surprised by choya's comment after what he did.. >_>
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On December 14 2011 02:34 UBavarice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:29 Winterfrozz wrote:
UBvarice what do you think of EG.IdrA if you call naniwa a selfish prick? ^^
"At IPL 3 IdrA forfeited two matches in his group. Of COURSE we wanted to show those games but the player did not want to play them."
What is worse? anyway who cares. why does this get so much attention.... In this case he had been invited to an event in Korea which he arguably wouldn't have qualified for if there were open qualifiers in which other top Koreans participated. So, in my eyes, he had some extra responsibilites in playing the games out in the best way possible. That's where this differs from the case with IdrA. I don't try to justify IdrA throwing games either though.
You are sooo wrong. NaNiwa QUALIFIED when he got 2nd place at Providence. If the other koreans wold have beaten him in Providence they would've gotten his place. Each player in the Blizzard Cup qualified by winning (MLG Providence had 2 spots) one of the biggest events of 2011 or being top 3 in the GSL ranking. This was not an invitational event.
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Oh how unforgiving people can be. Really hope people will wake up after a few days and realize how much they overreacted.
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On December 14 2011 02:29 Winterfrozz wrote:
UBvarice what do you think of EG.IdrA if you call naniwa a selfish prick? ^^
"At IPL 3 IdrA forfeited two matches in his group. Of COURSE we wanted to show those games but the player did not want to play them."
What is worse? anyway who cares. why does this get so much attention....
Might've been mentioned already but he forfeited 7th/8th place providence matches to Haypro aswell, there's been several other instances in smaller tournaments but nobody gave a shit. These were also games that had some money on the line too so I don't see why this is such a big deal, blame the terrible tourney format if anything.
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On December 14 2011 02:59 miwi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:34 UBavarice wrote:On December 14 2011 02:29 Winterfrozz wrote:
UBvarice what do you think of EG.IdrA if you call naniwa a selfish prick? ^^
"At IPL 3 IdrA forfeited two matches in his group. Of COURSE we wanted to show those games but the player did not want to play them."
What is worse? anyway who cares. why does this get so much attention.... In this case he had been invited to an event in Korea which he arguably wouldn't have qualified for if there were open qualifiers in which other top Koreans participated. So, in my eyes, he had some extra responsibilites in playing the games out in the best way possible. That's where this differs from the case with IdrA. I don't try to justify IdrA throwing games either though. You are sooo wrong. NaNiwa QUALIFIED when he got 2nd place at Providence. If the other koreans wold have beaten him in Providence they would've gotten his place. Each player in the Blizzard Cup qualified by winning (MLG Providence had 2 spots) one of the biggest events of 2011 or being top 3 in the GSL ranking. This was not an invitational event.
Ah, my bad then. Thanks for correcting me on that account.
I still think he acted like a douche though, doing what he did against one of the very best Koreans in a live televised game just shows how little a sense of professionalism he's got.
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Pretty sure MLG rank games aren't televised. Tbh I don't care about them and wouldn't ever seek them out. But Nestea vs Naniwa? That sounds like some hot shit. GOM sure picked quite the foreigners to represent the rest of the world. Ilyes "I don't trust the koreans" Satouri and Johan "probe rush" Lucchesi.
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On December 14 2011 01:33 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Im so dissapointed in IMMVP, how can he say something like that?
i used to have respect for him, but to totally disregard naniwas feelings and insulting him in such a idiotic fashion have really made me change my mind about him.
You have reading comprehension problems. Go back and reread what MVP twittered, or you mistook him for another person.
I'm confused towards all of you who are complaining about "all" of the Koreans overreacting. Can we not fucking generalize and conflate the shit out of these comments, like some of you are doing? All I'm reading is one poignant and ironic comment from the MVP team about Naniwa's unprofessionalism (uncalled for), and a few mild comments from MC, MKP, and Guineapig about their disappointment with such behavior (which I generally agree with).
Basically, everyone else is going "LOL LOL LOL" or "WTF," which was essentially the same reaction from the foreigners like Huk. As for the Korean netizens - who gives a shit? There are just as many foreigners calling for Naniwa's head on TL and Reddit.
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You guys have to realize different cultures view things differently, thats why the world is so beautiful. You have to accept that different areas take things more literal or seriously than the rest of the world, in this case, as we all know Korea is a very prideful country and you just dont do acts like this even if it is for nothing. What Naniwa did was VERY disappointing in an asian context of pride and never giving up thats why everyone is making a big deal
contrast this to the western culture where we forgive mistakes and understand situation that are rough and shit like that
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On December 14 2011 02:50 mapthesoul wrote:
I was surprised by choya's comment after what he did.. >_>
I am completely with you on that one. I do not really mind other Koreans being judgemental, as SC2 does mean a lot to them and it is their opinion, but Choya is just being obscene and very hypocritcal.
For context: Choya basically paused some games in a GSL online tournament and had the opponent play him in rock-paper-scissors. Because of this, he was banned from the first GSTL.
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Reactions are exagerated for sure. Out of all koreans, MC made the most appropriate comment, really pointing out the misbehaviour of Naniwa and there is nothing to add. He should've played the games and maybe once again beat Nestea. People called it luck when he beat Nestea at Providence and GI. Beating him 3 in a row would've silent the haters alil more.
He didn't. Hell yeah, worse but not so world-ending TL believes.
There are simple reasons for the hate:
1. It's TL. Tl-Forums loves hating
2. He's not idra. TL gave idra the permition to do as he pleases
3. He's protoss. TL hates protoss, because protoss is not zerg
4. He's not zerg
5. It's Nestea who he should've played
6. Nestea is a zerg
7. TL want to see a zerg beat protoss, especially if it's Nestea beating Naniwa
8. TL feels to have the support of krean pros. They're humans aswell but their opinion seems like a doctrine
This is no flame, i'm just being cynical.
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On December 14 2011 03:21 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:50 mapthesoul wrote:
I was surprised by choya's comment after what he did.. >_> I am completely with you on that one. I do not really mind other Koreans being judgemental, as SC2 does mean a lot to them and it is their opinion, but Choya is just being obscene and very hypocritcal. For context: Choya basically paused some games in a GSL online tournament and had the opponent play him in rock-paper-scissors. Because of this, he was banned from the first GSTL.
Woah really? Is there an article on this? Didn't know.
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On December 14 2011 03:22 ooozer wrote:
Reactions are exagerated for sure. Out of all koreans, MC made the most appropriate comment, really pointing out the misbehaviour of Naniwa and there is nothing to add. He should've played the games and maybe once again beat Nestea. People called it luck when he beat Nestea at Providence and GI. Beating him 3 in a row would've silent the haters alil more.
He didn't. Hell yeah, worse but not so world-ending TL believes.
There are simple reasons for the hate:
1. It's TL. Tl-Forums loves hating
2. He's not idra. TL gave idra the permition to do as he pleases
3. He's protoss. TL hates protoss, because protoss is not zerg
4. He's not zerg
5. It's Nestea who he should've played
6. Nestea is a zerg
7. TL want to see a zerg beat protoss, especially if it's Nestea beating Naniwa
8. TL feels to have the support of krean pros. They're humans aswell but their opinion seems like a doctrine
This is no flame, i'm just being cynical.
Is that better? -_-
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Thanks for the translation.
Nani doesn't help himself.
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I'm jsut saying people should get their shit together and stop their senseless hating when we all know it's because it's the act of hating they love and not the actual behaviour they hate. He did something wrong, yes, but it doesn't deserve this shitstorm. Look there, already 3+ threads about this incident and the usual dudes writing articles about it to get their PR right, because nobodys reading their articles if there's not controversial and full of hate towards somebody in it
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OO good convo..
It is true that Naniwa does not play to entertain, he is a competitor and plays to win.
That being said it is extremely unfair and downright wrong to say that he was not entertaining. While it may not be your ideal entertainment you need not look any further to see how much controversy/entertainment (as some would call it) it is.
IMO, There are different types of players and each are entertaining in their own right depending on YOUR personality.
The nice guys/in it for the fans: Sheth, White-ra, MC, etc..
The controversial/in it to win it: Idra, Naniwa, etc..
The a$$holes/win no matter what: Combatex, Deezer, etc..
The characters/trolls: Destiny, etc..
+ many others that i am forgetting/too lazy to come up with a description
PS. GOMs reaction, imo, is TERRIBLE, I am extremely disappointed with them and will no longer be supporting.
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On December 14 2011 03:22 ooozer wrote:
Reactions are exagerated for sure. Out of all koreans, MC made the most appropriate comment, really pointing out the misbehaviour of Naniwa and there is nothing to add. He should've played the games and maybe once again beat Nestea. People called it luck when he beat Nestea at Providence and GI. Beating him 3 in a row would've silent the haters alil more.
He didn't. Hell yeah, worse but not so world-ending TL believes.
There are simple reasons for the hate:
1. It's TL. Tl-Forums loves hating
2. He's not idra. TL gave idra the permition to do as he pleases
3. He's protoss. TL hates protoss, because protoss is not zerg
4. He's not zerg
5. It's Nestea who he should've played
6. Nestea is a zerg
7. TL want to see a zerg beat protoss, especially if it's Nestea beating Naniwa
8. TL feels to have the support of krean pros. They're humans aswell but their opinion seems like a doctrine
This is no flame, i'm just being cynical.
This is a gross generalization and wrong in almost all points.
Imo koreans are over reacting, although i can pretty much agree with everything MC said. On the other side, from all what ive heard pros are humans too..
And tbh i like rivalry, and some bad manner from time to time.
I think that naniwa in person really doesnt fit with the common korean restraint, and because of that they really didnt want him to stay, respective have success. Especially not against them 
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