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Nestea vs Naniwa Korean Twitterstorm - Page 35
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
It's okay Hero, at least you played to the end, showing us your fighting spirit! | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
As far as I'm concerned, players are here to compete. They're not contracted as performers or entertainers (despite what ceremonies they perform or personalities they project). Objectively, if people want to be angry at an entity for not getting their money's worth, they should be angry at GomTV. Gom, in turn, will most likely sanction NaNiwa to ensure their future productions are up to their standards. | ||
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mmgironi
Italy8 Posts
On December 14 2011 00:14 mr_tolkien wrote: In 2004, Russia was 0-3 in its groupe at the Euro UEFA Championship. They had to play Greece, the HOST of the cup, and beating them could have made them not pass the group, as they were 1/1/0 atm, like Spain. They did fight to their best, and won the game 2-1. It was their only win of the whole champ. Greece still made it through because Spain lost 0-1 to Portugal, and had scored less goals. Greece went on to win the championship undefeated. Except by Russia, in pool plays, who did their best to offer a good showing and show their ability. I'm sorry, but no, when you're passionated about your sport, you do your best. Whatever happens. See Euro 2004 (YES THE SAME ONE), Italy's group, Italy passes if they beat (I don't remember which team) and if Denmark or Sweden loses or scores less then 2 goals against each other they pass. Now everyone know's scandinavian countries would not kill each other to make Italy pass. So guess what happened. Italy won their game 2-1, Sweden and Denmark finished 2-2 in a match where NO ONE TRIED TO SCORE except those 2 goals each to make sure THEY passed and Italy wouldnt. See what I did there? I just showed you have this shit happens and isn't punished, and I could make you another example just to prove you even more wrong. Formula 1, 2002, Michael Schumacher lets Barrichello pass him 100 meters away from the finish line so that their team would win both the pilot and builder championships! Nothing happened there either. Other football example, look at Worldcup 2002, South Korea (yes those very same SC2 wannabe saints) openly gained favors from a referee who was later imprisoned for selling cocaine, and by another one who was banned by FIFA, watch the games South Korea vs Italy and South Korea vs Spain. Don't come speaking to me about sports dude, I can give you another 10000 examples on arranged results in sportsworld. To finish this off, as long you don't have background betting schemes losing games on purpose is perfectly fine even if there is something on the line as it is IMPOSSIBLE to monitor when some1 loses or not unpurpose UNLESS they openly do it or you have proof (CoCa's case). Shitting on someone for doing something pretty much everyone did in their carreer in most sports OPENLY is retarded if you don't punish every other occassion in which this occurs, as that would be an hipocracy in my opinion. Sorry for my bad english. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Not to mention he is apparently a great coach for FXO. His team has been doing great lately and you can see that he truly cares about them. You can see him run in at the end of every GSL match to offer support to his players.Yea he is, he may cheese but he at least plays out the games to win. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:18 Ben... wrote: Not to mention he is apparently a great coach for FXO. His team has been doing great lately and you can see that he truly cares about them. You can see him run in at the end of every GSL match to offer support to his players. People shitting on choya are stupid. Choya is one of the koreans who tries the hardest to help out foreigners. When FXO was in korea he was there helping them. | ||
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zestzorb
Thailand776 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:12 mmgironi wrote: See Euro 2004 (YES THE SAME ONE), Italy's group, Italy passes if they beat (I don't remember which team) and if Denmark or Sweden loses or scores less then 2 goals against each other they pass. Now everyone know's scandinavian countries would not kill each other to make Italy pass. So guess what happened. Italy won their game 2-1, Sweden and Denmark finished 2-2 in a match where NO ONE TRIED TO SCORE except those 2 goals each to make sure THEY passed and Italy wouldnt. See what I did there? I just showed you have this shit happens and isn't punished, and I could make you another example just to prove you even more wrong. Formula 1, 2002, Michael Schumacher lets Barrichello pass him 100 meters away from the finish line so that their team would win both the pilot and builder championships! Nothing happened there either. Other football example, look at Worldcup 2002, South Korea (yes those very same SC2 wannabe saints) openly gained favors from a referee who was later imprisoned for selling cocaine, and by another one who was banned by FIFA, watch the games South Korea vs Italy and South Korea vs Spain. Don't come speaking to me about sports dude, I can give you another 10000 examples on arranged results in sportsworld. To finish this off, as long you don't have background betting schemes losing games on purpose is perfectly fine even if there is something on the line as it is IMPOSSIBLE to monitor when some1 loses or not unpurpose UNLESS they openly do it or you have proof (CoCa's case). Shitting on someone for doing something pretty much everyone did in their carreer in most sports OPENLY is retarded if you don't punish every other occassion in which this occurs, as that would be an hipocracy in my opinion. Sorry for my bad english. That these incidents happened earlier doesn't mean they are justified. | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:12 mmgironi wrote: See Euro 2004 (YES THE SAME ONE), Italy's group, Italy passes if they beat (I don't remember which team) and if Denmark or Sweden loses or scores less then 2 goals against each other they pass. Now everyone know's scandinavian countries would not kill each other to make Italy pass. So guess what happened. Italy won their game 2-1, Sweden and Denmark finished 2-2 in a match where NO ONE TRIED TO SCORE except those 2 goals each to make sure THEY passed and Italy wouldnt. See what I did there? I just showed you have this shit happens and isn't punished, and I could make you another example just to prove you even more wrong. Formula 1, 2002, Michael Schumacher lets Barrichello pass him 100 meters away from the finish line so that their team would win both the pilot and builder championships! Nothing happened there either. Other football example, look at Worldcup 2002, South Korea (yes those very same SC2 wannabe saints) openly gained favors from a referee who was later imprisoned for selling cocaine, and by another one who was banned by FIFA, watch the games South Korea vs Italy and South Korea vs Spain. Don't come speaking to me about sports dude, I can give you another 10000 examples on arranged results in sportsworld. To finish this off, as long you don't have background betting schemes losing games on purpose is perfectly fine even if there is something on the line as it is IMPOSSIBLE to monitor when some1 loses or not unpurpose UNLESS they openly do it or you have proof (CoCa's case). Shitting on someone for doing something pretty much everyone did in their carreer in most sports OPENLY is retarded if you don't punish every other occassion in which this occurs, as that would be an hipocracy in my opinion. Sorry for my bad english. just because it's happened before doesn't make it less wrong. just because naniwa's taking the heat for what he did whereas others haven't doesn't mean he should get a free pass for acting like an immature brat, throwing a temper tantrum on stage, embarassing those who pay his wages, and general unsportsmanlike behavior. it's also not as if this is the first time he's pulled something like this. | ||
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qwertyindeed
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:12 mmgironi wrote: See Euro 2004 (YES THE SAME ONE), Italy's group, Italy passes if they beat (I don't remember which team) and if Denmark or Sweden loses or scores less then 2 goals against each other they pass. Now everyone know's scandinavian countries would not kill each other to make Italy pass. So guess what happened. Italy won their game 2-1, Sweden and Denmark finished 2-2 in a match where NO ONE TRIED TO SCORE except those 2 goals each to make sure THEY passed and Italy wouldnt. See what I did there? I just showed you have this shit happens and isn't punished, and I could make you another example just to prove you even more wrong. Formula 1, 2002, Michael Schumacher lets Barrichello pass him 100 meters away from the finish line so that their team would win both the pilot and builder championships! Nothing happened there either. Other football example, look at Worldcup 2002, South Korea (yes those very same SC2 wannabe saints) openly gained favors from a referee who was later imprisoned for selling cocaine, and by another one who was banned by FIFA, watch the games South Korea vs Italy and South Korea vs Spain. Don't come speaking to me about sports dude, I can give you another 10000 examples on arranged results in sportsworld. To finish this off, as long you don't have background betting schemes losing games on purpose is perfectly fine even if there is something on the line as it is IMPOSSIBLE to monitor when some1 loses or not unpurpose UNLESS they openly do it or you have proof (CoCa's case). Shitting on someone for doing something pretty much everyone did in their carreer in most sports OPENLY is retarded if you don't punish every other occassion in which this occurs, as that would be an hipocracy in my opinion. Sorry for my bad english. Dude, really? Scandinavian teams LOVE beating each other, and especially the rivalry between Sweden and Denmark is big... Besides, they played for seedings into the playoffs, so something WAS on the line... If Italy actually tried to not do the same W D D game setup every single group stage of every single tournament ever, they wouldn't need the result of other matches to go their way, and would go throug on their own... But, as you might or might not know, NOONE likes to watch Italy play football, as you're by far the most cynical footballing nation out there; you cheat, dive, whine, complain, argue, provoke, and rob games of their fun atmosphere. Good riddance, sir. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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mmgironi
Italy8 Posts
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harman
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
I don't think he should be punished officially in any way since what he did isn't disallowed, I believe, in any way by the tournament. His sense of proffesionalism is just laughable, though. | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:25 mmgironi wrote: You don't get it, if you CANT prove that the fixed a match 100% you cannot punish them yet this shit happens nonetheless. Naniwa did what every one does secretly by doing an openly shitty tactic, take OGS INca vs nestea finals, he did a dark templar expand every fucking game and lost 4-0. He ruined the finals for all the fans as he obviously threw the last game , you don't do the same tactic 4 times in a fucking row vs a player of Nestea's caliber and expect to win. He knew he was gonna lose and did a retarded tactic just like Naniwa did. Only difference is that Naniwa didn't wast 15min of my time and just did a 2min long tactic. Psycologically if you get SHIT ON 3 games in a row you will not perform well on your 4th game, Naniwa was obviously trouble by previous losses and just bloody got the game over with and left. Simply put, in sports this shit happens cause if you don't have a reason or chance to win you wont even bloody try. AKA if the opposing team is beating you 3-0 in football chances are the game will finish 6-0 or 6-1, see MAnchester City vs Manchester United this year, psycologically you will end up playing shit. Naniwa did just that, Koreans and alot of foreigner are just drama queens and think they live in a fairytale There a complete difference in going 4-0 with a planned build that failed and probe rushing... I don't think I need to explain this any further to you. (Not arguing whether people are over reacting or not, just saying your using a bad example) | ||
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fush
Canada563 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:25 mmgironi wrote: You don't get it, if you CANT prove that the fixed a match 100% you cannot punish them yet this shit happens nonetheless. Naniwa did what every one does secretly by doing an openly shitty tactic, take OGS INca vs nestea finals, he did a dark templar expand every fucking game and lost 4-0. He ruined the finals for all the fans as he obviously threw the last game , you don't do the same tactic 4 times in a fucking row vs a player of Nestea's caliber and expect to win. He knew he was gonna lose and did a retarded tactic just like Naniwa did. Only difference is that Naniwa didn't wast 15min of my time and just did a 2min long tactic. Psycologically if you get SHIT ON 3 games in a row you will not perform well on your 4th game, Naniwa was obviously trouble by previous losses and just bloody got the game over with and left. Simply put, in sports this shit happens cause if you don't have a reason or chance to win you wont even bloody try. AKA if the opposing team is beating you 3-0 in football chances are the game will finish 6-0 or 6-1, see MAnchester City vs Manchester United this year, psycologically you will end up playing shit. Naniwa did just that, Koreans and alot of foreigner are just drama queens and think they live in a fairytale or you know... it can just be another showmatch. but of course, no money was on the line. that's what it's all about right. | ||
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Winterfrozz
Sweden357 Posts
"At IPL 3 IdrA forfeited two matches in his group. Of COURSE we wanted to show those games but the player did not want to play them." What is worse? anyway who cares. why does this get so much attention.... | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:27 UBavarice wrote: The tweets from MKP and GuineaPig brilliantly exposes Naniwa for what he really is: A selfish prick. I don't think he should be punished officially in any way since what he did isn't disallowed, I believe, in any way by the tournament. His sense of proffesionalism is just laughable, though. I feel like it's a combination of Naniwa's lack of social skills (as in I do whatever the fuck I feel like) and his lack of understanding of the Korean Culture and the GSL.... it's just wrong imo to do that to the Casters, the Producers, the Viewers... but, still I'm sure Naniwa isn't as bad as he looks, it's just he's really really really really bad at anything that involves human interaction including playing games lol | ||
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:29 Winterfrozz wrote: UBvarice what do you think of EG.IdrA if you call naniwa a selfish prick? ^^ "At IPL 3 IdrA forfeited two matches in his group. Of COURSE we wanted to show those games but the player did not want to play them." What is worse? anyway who cares. why does this get so much attention.... In this case he had been invited to an event in Korea which he arguably wouldn't have qualified for if there were open qualifiers in which other top Koreans participated. So, in my eyes, he had some extra responsibilites in playing the games out in the best way possible. That's where this differs from the case with IdrA. I don't try to justify IdrA throwing games either though. | ||
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:30 Flowjo wrote: I feel like it's a combination of Naniwa's lack of social skills (as in I do whatever the fuck I feel like) and his lack of understanding of the Korean Culture and the GSL.... it's just wrong imo to do that to the Casters, the Producers, the Viewers... but, still I'm sure Naniwa isn't as bad as he looks, it's just he's really really really really bad at anything that involves human interaction including playing games lol Yes, I agree. Maybe the best course of action in this case would have been for the tournament not to pursue meaningless games to be played. | ||
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