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garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
December 13 2011 16:13 GMT
#641
Disrespectful to the fans? Don't know about that. Entertaining for the fans? Well we've certainly created more buzz that what would have been achieved after a standard game.
#TeamBuLba
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
December 13 2011 16:13 GMT
#642
maybe Gomtv should not pay out the $900 to the player who places last in the next Blizzard cup. lol
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
BaekHo
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)153 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#643
whats most disappointing is people are cheering for naniwa and say "im so happy that those koreans are so pissed now hahahaha so funny" and we call this esports? I am very disappointed by naniwa's fans.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#644
On December 14 2011 01:11 hinnolinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.

it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to

Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS



Don't the teams also own the stadiums and make money on ticket sales as well as food and beverage vendors?

Yeah? Naniwa got payed to play in this event win or lose, and teams are expected to play the full duration of the season.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
December 13 2011 16:16 GMT
#645
On December 14 2011 01:11 hinnolinn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.

it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to

Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS



Don't the teams also own the stadiums and make money on ticket sales as well as food and beverage vendors?

So because the pay scale is smaller(Naniwa still gets paid to play by both quantic and gom for this tourny. and gom makes money off ads and selling the stream) that makes it okay? So until E sports team can own stadiums its okay for players to say fuck it and not play?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Sitinte
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States499 Posts
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#646
JYP and Keen's tweets reflect how I feel about their tweets. Nearly spit out my coffee. But <3 MC's response, and surprised how calm Nestea is about this, although I'm sure he's angry about it at the moment and probably should be the angriest of them all (assuming he really wanted to play Naniwa and payback for Providence).
Door_Stealer
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom20 Posts
December 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#647

So if you suffer a bad loss in the groups early on, do you think you can bounce back?

It doesn't matter to me in other games if I win or lose the previous match, I just treat each match like it's the same thing, and give it my best.


Very interesting, what Naniwa said before in interview :D
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
December 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#648
On December 14 2011 01:13 garlicface wrote:
Disrespectful to the fans? Don't know about that. Entertaining for the fans? Well we've certainly created more buzz that what would have been achieved after a standard game.

How is it not disrespect? I paid money and stayed up till early in the morning to watch these games, and he probe rushes? I don't see how thats not disrespect?
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
thexile
Profile Joined October 2010
8 Posts
December 13 2011 16:20 GMT
#649
For those who are wondering what has happened. Look here:

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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
December 13 2011 16:21 GMT
#650
LOL

http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 13 2011 16:25 GMT
#651
On December 14 2011 01:21 Ryo wrote:
LOL

http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130


Oh lol.. thanks for this
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
December 13 2011 16:25 GMT
#652
On December 14 2011 01:21 Ryo wrote:
LOL

http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130


Thanks for this
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
December 13 2011 16:26 GMT
#653
On December 14 2011 01:14 BaekHo wrote:
whats most disappointing is people are cheering for naniwa and say "im so happy that those koreans are so pissed now hahahaha so funny" and we call this esports? I am very disappointed by naniwa's fans.


actually majority cant see why the koreans have made such a big fuss. I wouldnt say im happy but im not disapointed eithier, the game was for nothing, nani gained nothing from winning or losing, the person he was playign also gained nothing. People are also commenting that apparently hes a performing monkey and he had to play 100% to win everys ignle time he plays!!! People are also annoyed that Idra plays like this at times but its ok but nto for others...


Plus MC can come accross as BM but if MC wasnt like that we would not love him anywhere near as much :D

Some are happy with Nani as he is different and a underdog even more so now... and people thrive on that and love a good underdog and badass!!!



Also for people saying he should be punished he never refused to play he played just rushed with workers. He probably would of lost more playing out a game, losing then having all the Korean teams(who with the comments seemed to have it in for Nani already, and this was just the icing on the cake) analyse and go through his games..

I cannot wait for Code S now!!! If Nani wins or loses the celebrations are going to be fantastic and actually will make me watch MORE!!!!!
Live and Let Die!
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
December 13 2011 16:27 GMT
#654
nestea just twitted... gogo translate
banelings
hinnolinn
Profile Joined August 2010
212 Posts
December 13 2011 16:28 GMT
#655
On December 14 2011 01:16 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:11 hinnolinn wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.

it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to

Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS



Don't the teams also own the stadiums and make money on ticket sales as well as food and beverage vendors?

So because the pay scale is smaller(Naniwa still gets paid to play by both quantic and gom for this tourny. and gom makes money off ads and selling the stream) that makes it okay? So until E sports team can own stadiums its okay for players to say fuck it and not play?


Actually, more what I meant was, if the teams don't play, they lose additional revenue. If they continue to lose, fewer fans will buy tickets to the final games of the season that don't matter and they will lose additional revenue. There's more incentive for the teams to continue to try to play well and win.

The line, "IT'S FOR THE FANS" implies benevolent connotations to me at least. I was just pointing out that that's not necessarily true.

Also, in some contracts aren't there additional bonuses for certain performance benchmarks, such as a player getting more money for rushing a certain distance in the season, or the number of sacks and so on? I would imagine that also increases personal desires to play hard all season long for some players.

At the point in the "season" of this bo1 group b play we're talking about, Naniwa did not lose additional revenue by not playing his hardest, did not affect who advanced from group play, and, I'm going out on a limb here, didn't have a rider for specific performance.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6644 Posts
December 13 2011 16:31 GMT
#656
On December 14 2011 01:26 Tommylew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:14 BaekHo wrote:
whats most disappointing is people are cheering for naniwa and say "im so happy that those koreans are so pissed now hahahaha so funny" and we call this esports? I am very disappointed by naniwa's fans.


actually majority cant see why the koreans have made such a big fuss. I wouldnt say im happy but im not disapointed eithier, the game was for nothing, nani gained nothing from winning or losing, the person he was playign also gained nothing. People are also commenting that apparently hes a performing monkey and he had to play 100% to win everys ignle time he plays!!! People are also annoyed that Idra plays like this at times but its ok but nto for others...


Plus MC can come accross as BM but if MC wasnt like that we would not love him anywhere near as much :D

Some are happy with Nani as he is different and a underdog even more so now... and people thrive on that and love a good underdog and badass!!!



Also for people saying he should be punished he never refused to play he played just rushed with workers. He probably would of lost more playing out a game, losing then having all the Korean teams(who with the comments seemed to have it in for Nani already, and this was just the icing on the cake) analyse and go through his games..

I cannot wait for Code S now!!! If Nani wins or loses the celebrations are going to be fantastic and actually will make me watch MORE!!!!!

It's a huge difference between MC's BM and what Naniwa did. Koreans are upset because the word Pro gamer means more then just someone being paid. "That's what Koreans mean when they say he doesn't deserve 2be called progamer, lack of core values attributed to a pro in Kor. understanding" Quoted from a retweet by Milkis. This mixed with MC's tweets perfectly describe how I feel about this situation.

and I'll say it again, to me Naniwa acted like the annoying brat throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because he didn't get his toy. Its pathetic.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 13 2011 16:32 GMT
#657
It seems that Koreans are even more dramaqueens than Teamliquid. But only for games. :wink: werra.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
wbirdy
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Singapore335 Posts
December 13 2011 16:33 GMT
#658
I'm sorry Naniwa, as much as I love you as a player, this was a really tasteless act, meaningless or not.
become legendary
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 13 2011 16:33 GMT
#659
Im so dissapointed in IMMVP, how can he say something like that?

i used to have respect for him, but to totally disregard naniwas feelings and insulting him in such a idiotic fashion have really made me change my mind about him.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:38:20
December 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#660
Man, people still don't understand Koreans, but I guess it can't be helped considering how filled the international scene is with star players who can utterly never take losses and actually have fans for being whiny/bad losers. This is sort of on another level and koreans have never seen it before. Basically every player in korea is expected to have a whitera mentalitiy.

Naniwa is not being treated unfairly. If this were a korean they'd be in just as much deep shit, if not more so.

Naniwa got away with saying MLG was a joke tournament on the main stage, but me just imagining someone doing that in the GSL.... Yeah, they'd be kicked off their team and banned from pro gaming.
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