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On December 14 2011 00:46 FidoDido wrote:I think you and a lot of people fail to notice Naniwa is being PAID to play out his four games... roughly $900 usd in fact, which is a larger prize pool than a lot of weekly tournaments. source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/
He did play them. Just probe rushed one.
On December 14 2011 00:42 Umilard wrote:
So instead of blatantly loosing in a silly way they will be abit more smooth about it and do a poorly executed cheese instead?
Yeah lol, I guess that's what people wanted. I was looking forward to their rematch but I stopped caring the second I knew they were both out. You just can't expect them to perform the same and give their 100% when there's nothing at stake (except some sort of e-honor I don't really care).
For the same reason you don't play the rest of the games in BoX if the other player has already won.
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On December 14 2011 00:27 DeekZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:19 DNA.MPK wrote:
LOL Naniwa. A lot of players would have killed to be in that tournament, and he probe rushes? He was already eliminated from the tournament and so was Nestea + Show Spoiler +the game meant nothing herp derp
Typing in such a retarded way doesn't make your point more valid
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I think a lot of the people who are supporting Naniwa are missing the entire point of the scene. Yes, in Naniwa's head, this tournament was just to win some money, and just, playing that game out was pointless for him.
But think about it, what is Naniwa's job? He is a pro gamer, he makes a living in e - sports, essentially, he is an entertainer. The blizzard cup is watched by so many people all over the world, and Naniwa basically forgot all everyone else, about the entire scene, about what was really important.
The next thing that's really starting to annoy me is how people are bashing the Koreans. I can't believe that there are still several narrow minded comments about how they are speaking about Naniwa. Seriously, take a step back and think about it, in Korea, pro gaming is actually a viable career path, if you're good, you can go do it, that's why the scene is so much more popular than non-Korean tournaments. What Naniwa did basically disrespected the entire community of pro gamers in Korea, imagine all the time that they have spent working just to get to the place that they are. The quote below from Guinea Pig illustrates this point, Naniwa literally insults the culture of Korea.
@MVPGuineapig: There's so many people who can't compete in leagues even if they want to.. are you mocking them?
Honestly, I was really disappointed with his decision, I respect the fact that he was honest about it, and didn't decide to just play a fake game, but even with no prize, Naniwa is a PROFESSIONAL entertainer, he's supposed to entertain, no matter what the circumstances.
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On December 14 2011 00:50 Peksi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:46 FidoDido wrote:I think you and a lot of people fail to notice Naniwa is being PAID to play out his four games... roughly $900 usd in fact, which is a larger prize pool than a lot of weekly tournaments. source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/ He did play them. Just probe rushed one. Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:42 Umilard wrote:
So instead of blatantly loosing in a silly way they will be abit more smooth about it and do a poorly executed cheese instead? Yeah lol, I guess that's what people wanted. I was looking forward to their rematch but I stopped caring the second I knew they were both out. You just can't expect them to perform the same and give their 100% when there's nothing at stake (except some sort of e-honor I don't really care). For the same reason you don't play the rest of the games in BoX if the other player has already won.
Actually yes ou can expect them to perform as that is what they are being PAID to do. even if nothing is at stake, fans paid money to watch you play, fans stayed up late to watch you play show some fucking respect and have some pride. To me Naniwa pretty much acted like an annoying toddler throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because he couldn't get his toy. Pathetic.
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Naniwa showed in the cruelest way, that GOMTV shouldn't use players to play retarded games for nothing, just for pleasure of crowd.
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People are ignoring the biggest part of these tweets for me.
White-Ra is apparently MC's role model. How awesome is that?
Burrowing again...
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On December 14 2011 00:57 Captain Peabody wrote:
People are ignoring the biggest part of these tweets for me.
White-Ra is apparently MC's role model. How awesome is that?
Burrowing again...
Agreed, screw Naniwa. This is way more important.
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Wow, way to overreact. Seriously, you people are angrier now than when Coca was banned for matchfixing. How screwed up is that?
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Oh man! MC is commenting like a baws (and he loves White-Ra (like everyone else) n__n~) President Toss for the win!
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I am not a Naniwa fan, but gomtv is to blame here. Why play a match that doesn't matter at all?
If you would fail 9 out of 10 tests at school and you'd know that the last test wouldn't matter, would you study for it? Nope. Would you make it? Nope.
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MC worded it the best, that sort of conduct is why White-Ra is so well loved by the community and he is inspiring not just because of his play but because of his character.
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On December 14 2011 00:04 MildSeven wrote:Kennigit Americans saying it hasn't happened in NBA/NFL. This happened in premiere league though - thanks @Ingebrigtsen93 http://t.co/wxklNgxL really great tweet from kenningit
I think this is a different situation.
In the premier league's case, the fact that a team play poorly affect an other one in the league.
In naniwa's case, it affected no players.
It may affect
-Fans : that gave them something to talk about...
-People on betting sites : They should know that betting is a risky move and that anything can happen in 1 match.
-Blizzard cup's crew : They did a very good job overall but this showed them that their bo1-one-game-after-another format was not that good.
Naniwa's behaviour was not professional but he doesn't deserve all the hate surrounding him atm.
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if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.
it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to
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On December 14 2011 00:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:50 Peksi wrote:On December 14 2011 00:46 FidoDido wrote:I think you and a lot of people fail to notice Naniwa is being PAID to play out his four games... roughly $900 usd in fact, which is a larger prize pool than a lot of weekly tournaments. source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/ He did play them. Just probe rushed one. On December 14 2011 00:42 Umilard wrote:
So instead of blatantly loosing in a silly way they will be abit more smooth about it and do a poorly executed cheese instead? Yeah lol, I guess that's what people wanted. I was looking forward to their rematch but I stopped caring the second I knew they were both out. You just can't expect them to perform the same and give their 100% when there's nothing at stake (except some sort of e-honor I don't really care). For the same reason you don't play the rest of the games in BoX if the other player has already won. Actually yes ou can expect them to perform as that is what they are being PAID to do. even if nothing is at stake, fans paid money to watch you play, fans stayed up late to watch you play show some fucking respect and have some pride. To me Naniwa pretty much acted like an annoying toddler throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because he couldn't get his toy. Pathetic.
As far as I know it's Quantic who pays Naniwa to play (or do whatever his contract says). Of course we can voice our opinion and people surely have done that. Also Naniwa didn't break any tournament rules.
I absolutely understand people are frustrated because people wanted to see these two players play a real game but in my opinion that couldn't be achieved anymore. They shouldn't have broadcasted the match.
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On December 14 2011 01:01 Zealously wrote:
Wow, way to overreact. Seriously, you people are angrier now than when Coca was banned for matchfixing. How screwed up is that?
Coca played out basically the entire game and GG'd to give his spot to a friend
Naniwa basically said Fuck you to fans and people who paid/and or stayed up late to watch him play.
both are unprofessional but at least what Coca did had good intentions behind it(Wanting his teammate/friend to advance)
Naniwa was just being a douche.
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On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.
it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to
Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS
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On December 14 2011 01:04 Peksi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:56 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 14 2011 00:50 Peksi wrote:On December 14 2011 00:46 FidoDido wrote:I think you and a lot of people fail to notice Naniwa is being PAID to play out his four games... roughly $900 usd in fact, which is a larger prize pool than a lot of weekly tournaments. source: http://www.gomtv.net/2011blizzardcup/ He did play them. Just probe rushed one. On December 14 2011 00:42 Umilard wrote:
So instead of blatantly loosing in a silly way they will be abit more smooth about it and do a poorly executed cheese instead? Yeah lol, I guess that's what people wanted. I was looking forward to their rematch but I stopped caring the second I knew they were both out. You just can't expect them to perform the same and give their 100% when there's nothing at stake (except some sort of e-honor I don't really care). For the same reason you don't play the rest of the games in BoX if the other player has already won. Actually yes ou can expect them to perform as that is what they are being PAID to do. even if nothing is at stake, fans paid money to watch you play, fans stayed up late to watch you play show some fucking respect and have some pride. To me Naniwa pretty much acted like an annoying toddler throwing a tantrum in the toy aisle because he couldn't get his toy. Pathetic. As far as I know it's Quantic who pays Naniwa to play (or do whatever his contract says). Of course we can voice our opinion and people surely have done that. Also Naniwa didn't break any tournament rules. I absolutely understand people are frustrated because people wanted to see these two players play a real game but in my opinion that couldn't be achieved anymore. They shouldn't have broadcasted the match.
Gom also paid 900$ for him to play 4 matches. so yea of course they are going to broadcast it. Sure its not against any rules but its complete disrespect to fans/nestea/gom and even quantic. plus it also show a total lack of professionalism on his part.
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On December 14 2011 01:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.
it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS
Don't the teams also own the stadiums and make money on ticket sales as well as food and beverage vendors?
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I just want to say that Idra 6pooling and Naniwa's 6 probe arent same because Idra did 6 pool because he was desperate to win not refusing to play meaningless game. Yes Idra do have bad personality as well, but he is not known for throwing up game or not gg in gsl match where lots of people are watchin.
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The more this stuff happens, the more I become sure that the engine that is #esports is powered by drama. I doubt that Nani + Nestea's game (even if moderately epic) would have received this much hype. But throw a bit of questionable decision making in and look at all these little tweeters and posters! So busy now! Clicking on links and giving websites hits feeding the chain of ESPORTS.
(inb4 You're a monster Zorg)
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