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On December 14 2011 01:28 hinnolinn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:16 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 14 2011 01:11 hinnolinn wrote:On December 14 2011 01:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 01:04 Knutzi wrote:
if the match is pointless why force them to play? they will play like shit anyway because they have no motivation and it will just be waste of time for everyone since there is nothing on the line.
it was wrong to do what he did but it was also wrong to force them to play if they dont want to Teams out of playoff contention play all the time... HINT HINT IT'S FOR THE FANS Don't the teams also own the stadiums and make money on ticket sales as well as food and beverage vendors? So because the pay scale is smaller(Naniwa still gets paid to play by both quantic and gom for this tourny. and gom makes money off ads and selling the stream) that makes it okay? So until E sports team can own stadiums its okay for players to say fuck it and not play? Actually, more what I meant was, if the teams don't play, they lose additional revenue. If they continue to lose, fewer fans will buy tickets to the final games of the season that don't matter and they will lose additional revenue. There's more incentive for the teams to continue to try to play well and win. The line, "IT'S FOR THE FANS" implies benevolent connotations to me at least. I was just pointing out that that's not necessarily true. Also, in some contracts aren't there additional bonuses for certain performance benchmarks, such as a player getting more money for rushing a certain distance in the season, or the number of sacks and so on? I would imagine that also increases personal desires to play hard all season long for some players. At the point in the "season" of this bo1 group b play we're talking about, Naniwa did not lose additional revenue by not playing his hardest, did not affect who advanced from group play, and, I'm going out on a limb here, didn't have a rider for specific performance.
obviously he doesn't have a rider for specific performance. But really if you want to be called a Pro, you should be held accountable to some standards, and I don't even mean have to be perfectly mannered or off the field/offline attitude etc. I mean the basic standard of actually playing the game you are supposed to be a professional at! If not for the fans or to help increase revenues for the people paying you(In this case quantic and GOM) do it for your own pride and dignity, live up to the name professional and don't be a baby.
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On December 14 2011 00:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:27 DeekZ wrote:On December 14 2011 00:19 DNA.MPK wrote:
LOL Naniwa. A lot of players would have killed to be in that tournament, and he probe rushes? He was already eliminated from the tournament and so was Nestea + Show Spoiler +the game meant nothing herp derp Yes the game meant exactly nothing... not like some people paid to watch them play or anything right? OH WAIT people paid and stayed up late to watch these games and he basically shit on them..... completely unprofessional and entirely disrespectful to not only the fans but to Nestea as well. Naniwa needs to grow a pair, suck it up, play and stop being such a little baby.
I've paid for every GSL season and I wasn't even angry by the least on his move.
Why are you speaking for me?
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On December 14 2011 01:38 PallasAthena wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 00:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 14 2011 00:27 DeekZ wrote:On December 14 2011 00:19 DNA.MPK wrote:
LOL Naniwa. A lot of players would have killed to be in that tournament, and he probe rushes? He was already eliminated from the tournament and so was Nestea + Show Spoiler +the game meant nothing herp derp Yes the game meant exactly nothing... not like some people paid to watch them play or anything right? OH WAIT people paid and stayed up late to watch these games and he basically shit on them..... completely unprofessional and entirely disrespectful to not only the fans but to Nestea as well. Naniwa needs to grow a pair, suck it up, play and stop being such a little baby. I've paid for every GSL season and I wasn't even angry by the least on his move. Why are you speaking for me?
I actually said nothing on your behalf... I said he shit on you, whether you liked it, hated it or are indifferent to it is up to you. Personally I wasn't a fan of it.
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Naniwa was pathetic...
I whole heartedly agree with the tweets.
The importance here is regarding 'PRO' gamer, and also, he is privileged to play in the tourney... and has angered many players who could have got the chance otherwise
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On December 14 2011 01:33 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Im so dissapointed in IMMVP, how can he say something like that?
i used to have respect for him, but to totally disregard naniwas feelings and insulting him in such a idiotic fashion have really made me change my mind about him.
MVP just said
sc2immvp Jung JongHyun
WTF -_-
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On December 14 2011 01:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:38 PallasAthena wrote:On December 14 2011 00:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 14 2011 00:27 DeekZ wrote:On December 14 2011 00:19 DNA.MPK wrote:
LOL Naniwa. A lot of players would have killed to be in that tournament, and he probe rushes? He was already eliminated from the tournament and so was Nestea + Show Spoiler +the game meant nothing herp derp Yes the game meant exactly nothing... not like some people paid to watch them play or anything right? OH WAIT people paid and stayed up late to watch these games and he basically shit on them..... completely unprofessional and entirely disrespectful to not only the fans but to Nestea as well. Naniwa needs to grow a pair, suck it up, play and stop being such a little baby. I've paid for every GSL season and I wasn't even angry by the least on his move. Why are you speaking for me? I actually said nothing on your behalf... I said he shit on you, whether you liked it, hated it or are indifferent to it is up to you. Personally I wasn't a fan of it.
Ah I see. I got more "value" out of my money from his probe rush than MMA's thor rush. To each his own I suppose.
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http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130
Best response translation
진짜 저런 병.신같은 새.끼가 프로인게 어이가없다 앞으로 영원히 GSL 관련리그 시드박탈해야된다 초청도 하면 안되고
I can't believe a stupid mutha**** is a pro gamer. He should be banned of any seed related to GSL hence forth, and no invitation either
진짜 멘탈 병.신이네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지 탈락했다고 저딴 지.랄을 하냐 어휴 ㅉㅉ 김동준이었다면 졸라 깠을텐데 아깝다
His mentality is complete trash hahahaha he puts up that shit because he is out of the tourney? If Kim Dong Jun was there, he would have been flamed to the max
한국 좋아한대서 응원했는데 그놈의 성격이 문제라서 한방에 훅가네ㅋ 프랑스에서는 어땠을지 몰라도 한국에서는 저러면 거의 매장이지
I cheered for him because he said he liked Korea, but his shitty personality just ended it in one shot. I don't know what it's like in France, but if you do this in Korea, you will be buried.
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is choya seriously negatively commenting about someone's starcraft performance?
choya 4gate, dt rush , or voidgate allins everygame; how can he call someone else's play wrothless?
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On December 14 2011 01:44 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130Best response translation 진짜 저런 병.신같은 새.끼가 프로인게 어이가없다 앞으로 영원히 GSL 관련리그 시드박탈해야된다 초청도 하면 안되고 I can't believe a stupid mutha**** is a pro gamer. He should be banned of any seed related to GSL hence forth, and no invitation either 진짜 멘탈 병.신이네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지 탈락했다고 저딴 지.랄을 하냐 어휴 ㅉㅉ 김동준이었다면 졸라 깠을텐데 아깝다 His mentality is complete trash hahahaha he puts up that shit because he is out of the tourney? If Kim Dong Jun was there, he would have been flamed to the max 한국 좋아한대서 응원했는데 그놈의 성격이 문제라서 한방에 훅가네ㅋ 프랑스에서는 어땠을지 몰라도 한국에서는 저러면 거의 매장이지 I cheered for him because he said he liked Korea, but his shitty personality just ended it in one shot. I don't know what it's like in France, but if you do this in Korea, you will be buried.
lol, the last guy may have Naniwa's nationality mixed up a bit.
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On December 14 2011 01:40 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:38 PallasAthena wrote:On December 14 2011 00:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 14 2011 00:27 DeekZ wrote:On December 14 2011 00:19 DNA.MPK wrote:
LOL Naniwa. A lot of players would have killed to be in that tournament, and he probe rushes? He was already eliminated from the tournament and so was Nestea + Show Spoiler +the game meant nothing herp derp Yes the game meant exactly nothing... not like some people paid to watch them play or anything right? OH WAIT people paid and stayed up late to watch these games and he basically shit on them..... completely unprofessional and entirely disrespectful to not only the fans but to Nestea as well. Naniwa needs to grow a pair, suck it up, play and stop being such a little baby. I've paid for every GSL season and I wasn't even angry by the least on his move. Why are you speaking for me? I actually said nothing on your behalf... I said he shit on you, whether you liked it, hated it or are indifferent to it is up to you. Personally I wasn't a fan of it.
I love it how people shit themselves then blame the stains on others 
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On December 14 2011 01:45 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:44 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130Best response translation 진짜 저런 병.신같은 새.끼가 프로인게 어이가없다 앞으로 영원히 GSL 관련리그 시드박탈해야된다 초청도 하면 안되고 I can't believe a stupid mutha**** is a pro gamer. He should be banned of any seed related to GSL hence forth, and no invitation either 진짜 멘탈 병.신이네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지 탈락했다고 저딴 지.랄을 하냐 어휴 ㅉㅉ 김동준이었다면 졸라 깠을텐데 아깝다 His mentality is complete trash hahahaha he puts up that shit because he is out of the tourney? If Kim Dong Jun was there, he would have been flamed to the max 한국 좋아한대서 응원했는데 그놈의 성격이 문제라서 한방에 훅가네ㅋ 프랑스에서는 어땠을지 몰라도 한국에서는 저러면 거의 매장이지 I cheered for him because he said he liked Korea, but his shitty personality just ended it in one shot. I don't know what it's like in France, but if you do this in Korea, you will be buried. lol, the last guy may have Naniwa's nationality mixed up a bit.
You are right, someone noted out for him and he replied again saying he got confused with Stephano
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What is it about this game that causes its best players to throw matches? For money and for free?
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On December 14 2011 01:47 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:45 JinDesu wrote:On December 14 2011 01:44 ExceeD_DreaM wrote:http://www.fomos.kr/gnuboard4/bbs/board.php?bo_table=talk_gossip&wr_id=394130Best response translation 진짜 저런 병.신같은 새.끼가 프로인게 어이가없다 앞으로 영원히 GSL 관련리그 시드박탈해야된다 초청도 하면 안되고 I can't believe a stupid mutha**** is a pro gamer. He should be banned of any seed related to GSL hence forth, and no invitation either 진짜 멘탈 병.신이네 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지 탈락했다고 저딴 지.랄을 하냐 어휴 ㅉㅉ 김동준이었다면 졸라 깠을텐데 아깝다 His mentality is complete trash hahahaha he puts up that shit because he is out of the tourney? If Kim Dong Jun was there, he would have been flamed to the max 한국 좋아한대서 응원했는데 그놈의 성격이 문제라서 한방에 훅가네ㅋ 프랑스에서는 어땠을지 몰라도 한국에서는 저러면 거의 매장이지 I cheered for him because he said he liked Korea, but his shitty personality just ended it in one shot. I don't know what it's like in France, but if you do this in Korea, you will be buried. lol, the last guy may have Naniwa's nationality mixed up a bit. You are right, someone noted out for him and he replied again saying he got confused with Stephano
Well, it's good to know there's people who are reasonable on that board!
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On December 14 2011 01:45 Kfcnoob wrote:
is choya seriously negatively commenting about someone's starcraft performance?
choya 4gate, dt rush , or voidgate allins everygame; how can he call someone else's play wrothless?
Yea he is, he may cheese but he at least plays out the games to win.
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On December 14 2011 01:51 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:45 Kfcnoob wrote:
is choya seriously negatively commenting about someone's starcraft performance?
choya 4gate, dt rush , or voidgate allins everygame; how can he call someone else's play wrothless? Yea he is, he may cheese but he at least plays out the games to win.
One could even say he wants to win just a little too much.
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On December 14 2011 01:49 MichaelJLowell wrote:
What is it about this game that causes its best players to throw matches? For money and for free?
because of the tournament setup.Even if they played it properly it would of been a shit game.. Nani wouldnt of tried and for all we know Nestea may of had some cheese himself lined up.
All the Koreans whining about wishing theyw ere there... wot 0-3 down? and theyd actually give a shit uin the last game.... would be different if Nestea had to play for a place.But both were out.
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Lol I would say he's a sore loser but i need a phrase 100x stronger than that to really describe him
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I bought a ticket for 10$ just to see this. To the people criticizing Naniwa, all I can say is it was a good business decision. Read into it further if you'd like.
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He may not be out of bonds to have done this, but it just shows how disrespectful and immature Naniwa is as a player and a person.
People commending him on this shit should take a step back and observe their own idiocy.
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On December 14 2011 01:55 Tommylew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:49 MichaelJLowell wrote:
What is it about this game that causes its best players to throw matches? For money and for free? because of the tournament setup.Even if they played it properly it would of been a shit game.. Nani wouldnt of tried and for all we know Nestea may of had some cheese himself lined up. All the Koreans whining about wishing theyw ere there... wot 0-3 down? and theyd actually give a shit uin the last game.... would be different if Nestea had to play for a place.But both were out.
They would. Just because players like naniwa don't care you think others wouldn't care to show a good game? LOL
Almost every korean player is like whitera when it comes to playing on stage. They want to try to win no matter what for their fans. Foreigners are too used to people with bad personalities it seems and find BM to be okay.
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