• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:13
CEST 17:13
KST 00:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature3Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event18Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris10Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!13Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6
StarCraft 2
General
affordable custom websites designed Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again! What mix of new and old maps do you want in the next 1v1 ladder pool? (SC2) :
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull
Brood War
General
Maps with Neutral Command Centers Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Victoria gamers
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [ASL20] Ro24 Group C [ASL20] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment"
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
Breaking the Meta: Non-Stand…
TrAiDoS
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2603 users

Getting involved in the community: Intro Part 3

Blogs > Koibu0
Post a Reply
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
December 10 2011 00:11 GMT
#1
Starting a business in eSports

So, this is a little more complicated than the other two intro, mostly because I’m still in the process of starting a business. I won’t go into details on what it is, since details aren’t final, we have no backers, and it’s all pretty much hot air right now, but even with no official legal progress, it’s been a journey.

The difference between starting a community website like SC2Ratings and starting a business is drastic. If I’m talking to a staffer about SC2Ratings, I’m trying to get them interested, so that maybe they’ll plug it, or start using it. They’re usually receptive, because they know I’m doing this out of an interest in helping the community. When I talk to a staffer about a business I might be starting up, instantly their guard goes up, and they become very careful with what they say.

eSports is growing right now, but there is still a limited supply of funding, much of which has a lot of conflict, so you really have to play your cards right. For example, if my business were to be sponsored by Razer, I couldn’t ever work with any members of EG – since their sponsorship with Steelseries would conflict. It’s not a matter of me or EG being jerks, it’s a matter of sponsorship conflict, and even though the individuals involved would be totally OK with it, our sponsors would throw a riot, and might pull out or sue us.

I should note that the examples I’m using in this post are purely fictional. EG, Steelseries and Razer were just the first combination that came to mind when thinking about sponsorship conflicts.

So, one way to avoid these sponsorship problems, would be to not have product sponsors. That way, I can work with anybody and it doesn’t matter. Well, where does the money come from then? If sponsors aren’t providing funding, then I have rely on my product or service, and that’s risky. I’m not going to pretend I have a MBA, or any sort of strong business background, but if the whole of your income relies on selling a product/service, and that doesn’t go well, it’s easy to find yourself out of business quickly. If my business was sponsored by Razer, I could have lower prices for my product/service, which means more people will be likely to buy it – and if nobody does, I’ll have more time to make it work, since there’s still money coming in while I try to get on my feet.

Anyway, what does all of this have to do with getting involved in the community? Well, while going around at events talking to casters, staffers, and players about SC2Ratings, and getting interviews, I’ve had a few conversations the potential of working with different people, but there’s always such a huge hesitation on the part of the person I’m talking to. Usually it boils down to: I’m not an established and successful enterprise, so the risk of working with/for me outweighs the potential rewards. I’ve heard a lot of, “Once you’ve gotten going, talk to me again” which is code for “Let somebody else take the risk of working with you first.” Generally speaking, people don’t want to talk to you about your business unless you’re already successful.

If you’re looking at getting involved in the community via a new business, don’t. There are better ways to get involved. I’m going to keep trying, because I would like to eventually have a career in the eSports industry (and I do much better running things than I do following other people orders), but it’s a bitch.


*****
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 00:21:13
December 10 2011 00:20 GMT
#2
“Let somebody else take the risk of working with you first.”


I never understand why everyone are so gun-shy in eSports. StarCraft 2 is so young, so how can one know what works and what doesn't until we try it? This risk-averse, conservatism will be the dearth of eSports.

Thank God and gunrun.
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
December 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#3
Luckily, I was born with the stubbornness of a mule. I'll keep trying, and eventually I'll win through.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
December 10 2011 00:52 GMT
#4
That's the spirit!
Thank God and gunrun.
Siliticx
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 06:17:11
December 10 2011 05:02 GMT
#5
Let's just say that for us, CyberActiv, things are looking to be fricking awesome and believe it or not, Montreal might just as well become the eSports mecha of the world.

We're doing our best for eSports up here in the great white north. As my president would say, I will resurect eSports in Canada or die trying.
CyberActiv Productions' Chief of eSports Operations - In Canada, need sponsorship or help with an eSport project? don't hesitate to contact me!
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
December 10 2011 19:40 GMT
#6
Dude, let me just start by saying I totally feel you! My first two companies in eSports were services and let me tell you monetizing them sucked balls. That is why I knew my next would be a product. Products win because, assuming people want your product, you have an immediate income.

I agree with you; partnerships are key but so it community good will. Something I learned a long time ago is that this community loves to support those that are trying to make it better. You find yourself in a touch spot. I hadn't actually thought through the sponsor pickle you mentioned - that sucks. I agree with you though, there are many potential sponsors that are not product based it just takes [even more] pavement pounding to find them.

Best of luck, man!
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 20:16:10
December 10 2011 20:15 GMT
#7
because I would like to eventually have a career in the eSports industry (and I do much better running things than I do following other people orders), but it’s a bitch.


You're going to have a tough time with sponsors then.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 48m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko617
trigger 23
ProTech14
SpeCial 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7086
Bisu 3593
Shuttle 1591
Flash 1486
Jaedong 1481
EffOrt 828
firebathero 822
ZerO 693
BeSt 423
Soulkey 375
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 299
hero 273
Mini 243
Hyuk 168
Rush 160
Snow 111
sorry 110
Barracks 107
Killer 105
Nal_rA 97
Hyun 85
[sc1f]eonzerg 61
Mind 60
Light 52
JYJ51
TY 42
Sea.KH 40
Aegong 37
Sacsri 27
Terrorterran 22
scan(afreeca) 21
Yoon 14
SilentControl 11
JulyZerg 11
HiyA 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
IntoTheRainbow 8
ivOry 3
Dota 2
Gorgc10361
syndereN550
XcaliburYe408
League of Legends
Dendi947
Counter-Strike
flusha141
oskar135
markeloff116
Other Games
B2W.Neo1529
hiko909
FrodaN866
crisheroes467
Mlord411
RotterdaM218
Fuzer 174
XaKoH 149
KnowMe137
ArmadaUGS130
Liquid`VortiX130
Trikslyr41
rGuardiaN27
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 34
• davetesta12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV482
League of Legends
• Nemesis4102
• Jankos1290
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
8h 48m
LiuLi Cup
19h 48m
BSL Team Wars
1d 3h
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
1d 11h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 18h
SC Evo League
1d 20h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 21h
Classic vs Percival
Spirit vs NightMare
CSO Cup
2 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
2 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Sziky
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Queen vs HyuN
EffOrt vs Calm
Wardi Open
3 days
RotterdaM Event
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Rush vs TBD
Jaedong vs Mong
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
herO vs TBD
Royal vs Barracks
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Jiahua Invitational
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

CSLAN 3
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
EC S1
Sisters' Call Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.